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| wy |
Posted
on 29-Oct-02 12:07 AM
The constituent assembly may produce benefits, but the Maoists may have a totally different agenda. How do we know that they are sincere? Just look around what they are doing lately. How can we guarantee that the warring parties can behave rationally to produce a better constitution? The civil society may also have to play an active role to make sure that we do indeed get a better consittution this time around.
http://www.kantipuronline.com/kpost_html/kp_editorial.htm#Constituent%20Assembly%20is%20the%20answer
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| smr |
Posted
on 29-Oct-02 01:03 AM
Could be a good debating framework -- consituenty assembly. The country does need many changes especially in its constitution. All parties are snaring at each other for their own personal benefit, and the goddamm country is going down the drain. No one is rising above the frey. But, as you point out, the way Maoists are behaving I don't how serious they are about the negotiation.
Nepal never had any experience with a participatory system like the consituent assembly. The 1990 constitution was written by a very few individuals for the purpose of enhancing the self-interest of a very few. In 2007, India solved the problem for us (by bringing Tribhuvan back to his throne.)
The consituenty assembly must be used to solve our fundamental problems that include devolution and transparency. Unlike the last time, the civil societies must be very active to put a pressure to bring about changes. I do not believe that the parties will represent on behalf of the people. As usual they will fight for their own turf and will not hesitate, as in 1990, to compromise.
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| Yeti |
Posted
on 29-Oct-02 01:22 AM
You offer Amale DPM post, they will keep silence.
You offer Girija PM, he will say this constitution is full of Democratic norms.
All of them are shouting "constituent assembly" to bargain with King, not for the
public.
Even Maoists will not stop anarchism even if King G leaves Narayanhiti Palace and become an ordinary citizen. Where the hell commmunists stopped just by ejecting
king out of palace. After 2nd world war, where the hell in this earth became a good country after they threw Monarch. Show me an example. I can show you a few example where countries moved to stone age by throwing kings out:
1. Afganistan
2. Spain (restored and now functioning well)
3. Iran
4. Cambodia
5. Russia (suffering for last 75 years).
King is not problem, problem is with those elected by peoples. They are so corrupt, they blame King for every wrong thing they do. They don't have guts to be transparent, and they don't guts to take responsibility for the wrong they have done.
Why Deoba can not accept that he made a mistake?
Why Girija can not accept that he was the main culprit who brought those dark days back to Nepal.
Why KPB does not speak?
Why Makune does not speak the truth? He is the one who spent whole sesson doing nothing, not letting other do anything.
If you can not throw such bogus politicians why do we need head of the state? If these Fu*king guys can not have election i.e. reach to people, how can you make sure that they represent people? Once parliament was dissolved, they don't represent peoples, because they need to renew their license of being peoples representative.
They are just Fu*king politicians who ruined this country. CIAA should work for one year and bring them to justice. Then, only we can have election, teach the fu*king guys.
Yeti.
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| SMR |
Posted
on 29-Oct-02 02:17 AM
Yeti wrote:
"You offer Amale DPM post, they will keep silence.
You offer Girija PM, he will say this constitution is full of Democratic norms.
All of them are shouting "constituent assembly" to bargain with King, not for the
public. "
No argument here.
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Yeti wrote:
"After 2nd world war, where the hell in this earth became a good country after they threw Monarch. Show me an example. I can show you a few example where countries moved to stone age by throwing kings out:
1. Afganistan
2. Spain (restored and now functioning well)
3. Iran
4. Cambodia
5. Russia (suffering for last 75 years)."
Of all the countries above, there is one thing in common: they all embraced non-democratic system of government (facism, dictetorial, or one party autocratic regime):
Now, let's take example of places where they threw out the monarchy (Not that I am in favor of doing so.) and have done pretty well, at least a lot better than the above five:
1. US *
2. Germany
3. France
4. India*
5. Canada*
6. Japan**
* English colonial rule
** Much reduced emperor's power
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One thing in common: a very strong form of democratic institutions.
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Yeti wrote:
"Why Deoba can not accept that he made a mistake?
Why Girija can not accept that he was the main culprit who brought those dark days back to Nepal.
Why KPB does not speak?"
Valid points, but they created a weak system and took advantage of it. They never instituted accountability and checks and balances. That does not mean you have to throw out the system; a better solution is to reform it and close all the loopholes.
If we don't, the country is going to fall apart. King G may be able to handle it for one or two years with Mr. Chand, but after that the s*** will start to hit the fan. People have a very short memory and short fuse too. A nice man like Dr. Devkota with good intention has already begun to attract some criticism. That's what happens with a non-democratically formed government. I know, I know, you get criticism no matter what! But, you know what I am trying to say.
Right now they are refusing to join Girija's call for the 1990-II, but if the horrible security situation in the country (there seems to be news that about 50 policemen are missing in Parasi; and a few more bombs in the capital.) continues, and if the UML decides to join the NC, the situation may change.
All these types of uncertainty, chaos, infighting will play in the hands of the Maoists who do want to establish a one-party autocratic system of government, a regime that will not be desirab for the country, to say the least.
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Yeti wrote:
..... teach the fu*king guys. "
How?
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| SMR |
Posted
on 29-Oct-02 02:24 AM
Addendum:
Yeti wrote:
"After 2nd world war, where the hell in this earth became a good country after they threw Monarch. Show me an example. I can show you a few example where countries moved to stone age by throwing kings out:
1. Afganistan
2. Spain (restored and now functioning well)
3. Iran
4. Cambodia
5. Russia (suffering for last 75 years)."
Of all the countries above, there is one thing in common: they all embraced non-democratic system of government (facism, dictetorial, or one party autocratic regime).
Exception:
Spain threw out facism and brought back monarchy, but embraced federalism with a devolved power and a ceremonial Monarchy who spends much of his time watching soccer, his favorite past time.
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