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| paramendra | Posted
on 29-Oct-02 10:49 AM
I will compose a haiku in honor of the person who guesses right where this picture was taken: |
| Bitchpatroll | Posted
on 29-Oct-02 10:57 AM
Who that ? yo gal ? |
| bhedo | Posted
on 29-Oct-02 11:04 AM
Seems so. |
| dirk | Posted
on 29-Oct-02 12:37 PM
Paramender, Kaya ko hamer dimaag chathe ho? It could be anywhere.....you just want us to admire the girl's XL juggs, huh? You sly fox you !!! |
| krishna | Posted
on 29-Oct-02 01:21 PM
San jyu, I read in a thread last time that someone called Biruwa's big picture involving black hole and stars were confiscated from the thread because the picture was too large and had to scroll left to right, which you said was a headache to some of the posters. I don't see any reason why this one should be allowed. Paramendra jyu, no hard feelings please. But I just felt it should be fair as the name SAJHA. Krishna.... |
| sks | Posted
on 29-Oct-02 01:29 PM
Let me guess.....Australia? |
| paramendra | Posted
on 29-Oct-02 01:43 PM
Krishna, the picture is on Geocities, not Sajha. Sks, what makes you think so? |
| bhedo | Posted
on 29-Oct-02 01:51 PM
Your friend is pretty cute Paramendra. Good luck in wooing her heart! Or have you already done so? No offense intended. |
| koko | Posted
on 29-Oct-02 02:02 PM
did someone get the permission to post this picture ? I see a lot of pictures posted here these days hope people don't get upset. |
| punam ghimire | Posted
on 29-Oct-02 02:08 PM
Bewafa ! Paraminder! Mere pyar! maine meri sari umarko, jawaniko tumahari nam me nyachabar kardiya, ab tum hai ki udahr amrika me tarah- tarah se sari aurate ko rakhail banake ghum rahe ho. Ye bhi koi tarika hai, mere dil. Mai aapko kidhar kidhar dhundha, bas aaj aap hai ki udahr ye sab rakhail se masti mar riya hai, mere jane jaaaaaan! maine tumara kya bigada tha, mai to ab tumarhi bacche ki ma bhi banne wali hu. sirf yek mahina banki hai. aba mai mere bacche ko kya muck dikhaungi. tumne mera jobanke bag to ujada ujada : man mauji karke sare phulo ko daliya se mar diya, phir is gori ke piche kyu pade ho. kyu nahi mere pas aate aur hamare pyarke phool ke matheme kiss nahi khate. kyo apani kul ko mitti me milane pe tule ho. Tumahri mummy bhi badi chintit hai. Oh bolti hai" kaisa nalayk maine janma diya, janmate hi kyu nahi mar gaya. mar gaya hota to mujhe aaj ye din dekhne nahi padte" maine unko samjhaya " nahi nahi !!mere pareindra ko yisa nahi kaho, oh to mera jaan hai , parwardigaar hai, oh to mukaandar ka sikkandar hai, kohi gawwarr thodi hai ho. yek din aayega aur mujhe doli me rakhkar baje- gaje ke sath mere sath saaadi rachayega, SUHAGRAAT manayega aur aapko mataji ! bahut sare dhan lakar dega" ye dekho hamare Ji ki kartut. padhne gaye the amnrika me , aba sare samajeke samane kala kartut karke ghum rahe hai. sara paisa ka satyanasha kar diya. tum mujhe aba kabhi muh nahi dikhana , Nalayak! Aapki pyari PUNAM |
| hunga munga | Posted
on 29-Oct-02 02:19 PM
"NK: Where are you located? I gather it is the East Coast. But that is hundreds of miles long, the coast. Roti would be nice. I abhor candies. Sniper or not. I have a teetaura taste. Nutty re? Wife. She is in Australia. She should be back for Thanksgiving and Christmas. And then she goes off to Thailand! And then takes off for a South/East Asia tour. Hopefully I get to meet up again in August next year. And then that is when I was planning to head out to Canada/Mexico. Early 2004, I was hoping to head out to my homevillage in south-east Nepal for a month or so. To gather material for a novel." Paraminder bhaiya writes again: Toward the end of May I came to Terre Haute, Indiana, for the second time a jobless person. Six months of trucking came to an end, perhaps permanently, perhaps temporarily, and Lara's internship in DC crystallized after she had given up on it and gone home at the end of her school year. A wedding attended, Lara's uncle Charles met for the first time, I got to ride the Greyhound for free by accompanying her. At the Pittsburgh - "less bridges only to Venice" - station, we bumped into a recent Berea College graduate - small world - whose sister and mother, both Berea graduates, were in DC: weeks later we bumped into another group of Berea students, girls, while we were on our way away from the Caribbean festival and they were on their way there - small world - and we met that same group again on July 4th: "You must be following us!" Many highways I had driven on in the previous months were crossed more passively, taking the landscape in, an occasional conversation with another passenger, grabbing a nap here, a nap there, checking on luggage, a lunch break. Countless weeks and breaks aside, we never had lived together by ourselves for any considerable period of time, day in, day out, week after week, and her trip to Australia in Fall and a possible trip to Thailand the following Spring gave impetus to being together for summer. Then we could look forward to being together again for December, and some of January. On the other hand, some debts have to be paid, some money saved for the planned South Asia trip next summer, possibly, some money sent for my brother and youngest sister's education in Kathmandu. Other than formless attempts at continuing work on a novel, a career forged, the future planned, or lived from one bend in the road to another. poonam, hamey tumsey bhi pyar kitna yeh hum nahi jaante magar ji sakte he tumharey bina.... tumhari sautan Lara ke saath |
| dhumbasse (dumbass) | Posted
on 29-Oct-02 02:36 PM
Parmendra !! what are we supposed to look at, the Girl or the water? The water seems more like Atlantic ocean. the girl indeed is good looking, especially JUGGS are darn good looking.......herdai chyappa samau jasto... must have been a cloudy day at the beach Don't have one that is taken on a sunny day too......... surely would have been nice to look at, man! please post more. but lesser the clothes, better the picture. Now, don't give me that Dharabahik Style ni pheri...... |
| bitchpatroll | Posted
on 29-Oct-02 02:37 PM
yo wife ? Right ? or wrong ..if right hence the hariyo patta you're about to get[(i could be wrong){this is a shot in the dark}] ? Maybe not. Magar jidhar dekho faida hi faida bhaisaab... Ladki ke Bhai se mikey free mai Bus mei safar kiya. Wah wah wah bhaisaab...Tumhara Jawab nahi... |
| jira | Posted
on 29-Oct-02 02:44 PM
Nilo manchey lai kalo manchey ley tapakka tipera seto panima rakhda phutta khasyo hariyo patta |
| hunga munga | Posted
on 29-Oct-02 02:47 PM
hahaha...that is hilarious jira............ paraminder aur samunder wali ladki ki photo |
| jame bonds | Posted
on 29-Oct-02 03:07 PM
Interesting page http://www.geocities.com/bizess/ |
| sks | Posted
on 29-Oct-02 03:27 PM
Paramendra, why dont u just tell me if i was right? |
| hunga munga | Posted
on 29-Oct-02 04:16 PM
JBonds, damn! he does look like amitabh I wonder if our parminder can act?? |
| krishna | Posted
on 29-Oct-02 04:58 PM
My bad paramendra..... |
| paramendra | Posted
on 29-Oct-02 07:34 PM
Punam Ghimire: It is so obvious you are a guy, the female username aside. Kadar Khan ko "dialogue" ho? Kun film? Hunga Munga: "Paraminder bhaiya ........." Are you trying to be offensive for my Terai background? I urge you to refrain. sks -------- you have to be more specific than that......... :-) Krishna. No problem. |
| paramendra | Posted
on 29-Oct-02 07:38 PM
Folks like jira ........... move on beyond your hariyo patta fixation ......... Is that all you see? The contest as outlined in the first message stands........ |
| paramendra | Posted
on 29-Oct-02 07:47 PM
The third prize goes to sks for getting the country right. But it was not specific enough to get either the second or the first prize: Shreshtha Deep Concert Ke ho tyo Colorado Sapana Paschim |
| bhedo | Posted
on 29-Oct-02 08:03 PM
Hahhahaha, yeah, Poonam Ghimire is a man. It's so obvious, I tell you!!! Chick with di*k, hahahah. |
| surya | Posted
on 29-Oct-02 08:18 PM
Hmmm... Did you ask Lara whether you could put a link to her picture on this forum? What did you think the reaction would be from the men here? Such disrespect!! Shame on you all! |
| paramendra | Posted
on 29-Oct-02 09:47 PM
Surya, perhaps we should guide these select individuals to a public discussion: The topic is not exactly personal. "Magazine articles serve to reduce women to merely parts. Often they include a variety of articles on how to tone the abs, slim the upper arms, tighten thighs, etc. Interviews with female celebrities often question which body part she’d most like to change, which one she likes best, which one she hates, etc. “They tell their terrible secret. It’s my breasts, they say. My hips. It’s my thighs. I hate my stomach...”(Wolf 149-150). Women learn to see themselves as disconnected parts and not as a whole human being. For women, appraisal and self-worth are determined by appearance. When a person’s features are severed, that allows the observer’s attitude to shift towards objectification. This is particularly true when facial features are hidden or non-existent. Facial features reveal a A cperson’s emotions and therefore identity. So by severing them, this facilitates the viewer’s ability to see that person as merely an object: treating and thinking about the subject as though it were an object with no needs, feelings, or identity. (Dittrich) " |
| paramendra | Posted
on 29-Oct-02 09:56 PM
Sexual Objectification of Women Excerpted from the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology (Vol. 75, No. 1, 269-284): "Objectification theory posits that American culture socializes women to adopt observers’ perspectives on their physical selves. . . ." "According to objectification theory, the first psychological consequence of sexually objectifying treatment is self-objectification. The concept of self-objectification recasts women’s greater concern with their physical appearance as a survival tactic rather than a mere preference or ‘natural’ trait such as vanity. Like any survival tactic, self-objectification has its benefits, as evidenced by the superior life outcomes experienced by women deemed attractive. Yet it also has its costs. We have demonstrated that experimentally induced self-objectification causes women (but not men) to (a) experience shame about their bodies, which in turn predicts restrained eating; and (b) perform more poorly on an advanced math test. These emotional and behavioral repercussions of self-objectification begin to document the psychological costs of raising girls in a culture that persistently objectifies the female body. If empirical studies continue to uphold the predictions of objectification theory, then sociocultural intervention may be warranted. If we could change, or at least diversify, the meanings our culture assigns to women’s bodies, then perhaps more girls and women could experience their bodies not as objects to be appreciated by others, but rather more directly, with a sense of efficacy and empowered subjectivity." http://www.psychoheresy-aware.org/palv7n2.html |
| surya | Posted
on 29-Oct-02 10:23 PM
The first question to you still remains, Paramendra. Knowing the reality of the average man, why would YOU put your loved one out here? |
| DWI | Posted
on 29-Oct-02 10:24 PM
Paramendra, If this thread is to introduce us to Lara, then we are all pleased to meet her. I have a hunch that she is your wife or something(court marriage?) If you really meant to ask that question, then You have to write a Haiku for me as you promised. The clue was very very easy, the picture is from Brisbane, Australia. Bhavi studied in Indiana in either Biotech or Agriculture major. Am I right? Do I sound spooky already? U should've shown her Fiji photos :) Happy Halloweeeeeeeeeen. My Haiku? |
| paramendra | Posted
on 30-Oct-02 08:09 AM
"...why would YOU put your loved one out here? ......" And I should have asked for someone's permission before I took her with me to the Nepali convention in DC! Give me a break. DWI. The second prize goes to you for getting the city right. The first prize will go to someone who will come up with something more specific. The Fiji reference ..... for the ethnic Indian population there? Your prize: Driving while in tux Round the windy Sajha lanes Whether you post your Own, unseen blackhole eats S Itaras. NY party. Third Prize: 5-7-5 Second Prize: 5-7-5-7-7 First Prize: Grander |
| DHUMBASSE (DUMBASS) | Posted
on 30-Oct-02 08:19 AM
So you are introducing your maiya..... HUH!!......sajhako bas chadera.......sajhako batoma dhulo udhaudai. I like the idea....... But what made you think people are interested in knowing Lara ... Pamendra's GF? how many are there who wanna know parmendra as parmendra, in the first place, so that they would be interested in your lara.....? just a question. Reminder : Dhara bahik style le jawaf nadinush ni pheri...... |
| DHUMBASSE (DUMBASS) | Posted
on 30-Oct-02 08:23 AM
Dekhaunai cha bhane ali ramro photo post garya bhaye hundainathyo... Yetro yetro KALCHAUDO dekhine gari T-Shirt contest ko jasto photo kina dekhaunu....hoina ra? only a suggestion... Ye ! maiyale khub desh ghumeki chan bhanne dekhako hola.... ho ki how inter- racial you can be bhanne dekhauna khojeko ho....yo dumbass magajma chirena kura ta!! Reminder: no dharabahik ni pheri.... |
| dirk | Posted
on 30-Oct-02 08:31 AM
I'll have to give it to you, Paraminder babuwa. Could it be Bondi Beach, Sydney? With the knockers like Lara, how could you have so much fooling around with the computer; when you could be fooling around with something much more interesting? But, the whole purpose of you posting the pic., I think, is to try to show sajhaites that Paraminder is quite a lady's man. Feeding your ego, is it? |
| DWI | Posted
on 30-Oct-02 09:53 AM
THanks for the Haiku Paramendra. Sunnybank Brisbane...how does that sound? By the way that Fiji reference was not to insult you or anything(gotta be little open man!) Ask Lara, she knows. |
| bitchpatroll | Posted
on 30-Oct-02 11:12 AM
Jidhar Dekho Faida hi faida Bada Kwab hai Politician Banna Bada kwab hai politician Banna Aur politician bankey Jabe Bharna |
| dirk | Posted
on 30-Oct-02 11:22 AM
Lara ne kya chakka mara Parmindar sochne laga ki Janakpur se KTM, KTM se Kentucky Aab toh "Sky is the Limit", huh? Aayeba Patta bi aayega Gori chokri bhi aayegi Hum Malamal ho jayenghe!!! |
| paramendra | Posted
on 30-Oct-02 11:24 AM
You are getting awful close. Hint, hint............. I guess the first prize will go to someone who can name the particular beach...... |
| paramendra | Posted
on 30-Oct-02 11:25 AM
Earlier message for DWI......... |
| dirk | Posted
on 30-Oct-02 11:28 AM
Lara getting Jiggy with it in Surfer's Paradise, Australian Gold Coast |
| jame bonds | Posted
on 30-Oct-02 11:31 AM
Paramendra, Can you please NOT use this discussion forum as your personal forum where you want to play online guessing games with others, or post your Amitabh pose or your american Jaya bhaduri. Give us a freakin break and just post interesting discussions NOT your personal fetishes. |
| Rusty | Posted
on 30-Oct-02 11:47 AM
I fully agree with jame Bonds!!! |
| hunga munga | Posted
on 30-Oct-02 11:55 AM
Taken from epinion.com Lara and I accompany her friends from work and a friend's friend working at the Environmental Protection Agency for a Monday evening free movie on the Mall, a gift of corporate sponsors, a Hitchcock movie on that: oh, what a plot! Lara and I are on mark here after our now several trips to the Kennedy Center for the free 6 PM concerts. It really helps that the Center has a free shuttle service to and fro from the Foggy Bottom metro center. Washington DC: the city of freebies, an ideal tourist town, but I did not see this other freebie coming. I get hold of a free map and peer at the surrounding area map - "You are here" - a routine I am to relive again and again, station after station. A long stay in line at the local Taco Bell is a minor disappointment: "We don't take credit cards." And so I opt for a Chinese lunch instead after getting a 20 dollar bill out of an ATM. "Do you have a quarter?" two pre-teens approach me. And so there go 50 cents. At the New Carrollton station which combines with the Amtrak station, a Bangladeshi cashier clerk at a newsstand makes some small talk. He has the hesitancy of a newcomer to the country. "Do you own this shop?" I ask, perhaps thinking of the newsstands on railway stations in India. No, it is owned by a company that owns all shops like this one at all Amtrak stations all over the country. He has been in the country a year, is with his wife and two kids attending local schools. "Are you from India?" he asks. "I have friends from Bangladesh. Last year my roommate was from Bangladesh." After a few more stops, just when I am thinking metro stations are nothing more than whistle-stop park and ride tarmac spreads surrounded by thickets and trees, I get off at the Denwood station, and finally encounter humanity. "You live around here?" "All my life." "I'm from India." "Yeah, I've some idea where that might be." Directions. "You got 35 cents?" 12 cents later, "Sorry, all the change I have." "Hey, don't worry 'bout it. It's the thought that counts." |
| Bitchpatroll | Posted
on 30-Oct-02 11:58 AM
Shadi kiya patta mila chakka mara malmal huwa sarey ki sarey Bak bak kar rahey hai.. jhoot boley kawaa katey Magar Kaley kaway se daryo Paan Khailba babua ? |
| krishna | Posted
on 30-Oct-02 02:27 PM
Pan to nahi khaiwa, lekin ye ladki bahot sundar bhaigawa... paramendra badhai ho tumko itni sundar ladki pataligawa... aab yehi pe introduce karwana hay ya aau tumhare ghar pe???? |
| DHUMBASSE (DUMBASS) | Posted
on 30-Oct-02 02:47 PM
parmendra ! Runa mana lagya ho....jham jham pani pariracha.......sawan -bhado samjidai kwa kwa runa man lagya ho.......heheheheh... yek din aaye gawa jab tum tauko thokne lagenge bhittame ani gana bhi galoge " chala uda ja re panchi k aba ye desh huwa begana" dali dali chunke maine nagari yek basaithi.......and the shanai music chala uda ja re panchi iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii...... |
| DHUMBASSE (DUMBASS) | Posted
on 30-Oct-02 02:50 PM
" chala uda ja re panchi k aba ye desh huwa begana" elaborate please........ Reminder: no dharabhaik ni pheri.... |
| jira | Posted
on 30-Oct-02 02:50 PM
DHUMBA! ABA KE KO CHALA UDA JA NI! KHAI REPLY ??? deem.......... |
| DHUMBASSE (DUMBASS) | Posted
on 30-Oct-02 03:03 PM
ke ko reply jira! maile reply ta aginai di sake ta .......yetro lamo lekhera "SEND " bhannema rakhera namjja sangale beskan thichisake ta........aba Musa le ni "aiyaaaaaaaaaaaaa" bhanya thyo maile thichada........aba tyo aai saknu parne...... Aba ke ko reply nui Jirabau........ |
| jira | Posted
on 30-Oct-02 03:06 PM
no paiing ajhhai samma |
| DHUMBASSE (DUMBASS) | Posted
on 30-Oct-02 03:16 PM
La ke bhancha yo Jira! maile aghi pathai sake bhaneko ta!! tyetro berko mehenet khera gayo la!!........yo computer bhanne pani thik kura ta kaha ho ra........Send bhanera basira rahicha.......dahi bhayera...pheri boot garnu paryo.jira bau ......jhan kasto milayera ramro sanga lekheko thiye............la pheri pathula hundaina bao!! tara ma yeuta kura chahi bhanchu timilai.........maile ta timilai chinina....P Regmi ko pura nam ke ho.......Sweta bhaneko0 Sanjayako budhi hoina....... |
| jira | Posted
on 30-Oct-02 03:24 PM
mailey bhanya haina dhum ley malai chindaina bhanera, bhoot lai ni kasailey chincha ra. Sacchyyat prakut hunda ni nachiney si aba ma ke garum, bolda boldai ko ma(I) aam tya? hera dhumba! timley garera yo personal thread huna lai sakyo, kaatchan hamlai hya ailey Parmindar ley yuassai ta dekhi sahdainun , tyas mathee ni .....unha ko honeymoon ko thread dhasta hola pheri hamley garda |
| DHUMBASSE (DUMBASS) | Posted
on 30-Oct-02 03:39 PM
Dhwasta bhaisakeko lai aba milauna mildaina.... Parmnendra ka honeymoon se ham ka kya matlab.....hamara to Jira bau se lagab hai... Ali ali hindi chate pachi parmendra le "ye to hamara jaisa hi hai " bhanera sahancha kya jira! hindi me baat karo kya..yeta ta. na bhaye ta Paramle pheri" jaisa ka taisa mila" Bolke ghuma ghumakar marega....... Dekho Jira! ma pani idhar aaya to bahut ho gaya.lamba time ho gaya...nam to suna tha aapka bahut..dekho....mai aapki pariwarki barema pani baatai dunga.......lekin.kabhi kabhi nam le yaad nahi aata hai na.. aapka picture aata nai ..kay karenga .....ani mukh dekh gaya ta turunta patta chal jayega....tyesile bolta hai kya.......aur oh PR Regmi chahi rahasya ho gaya. tyo Pani tynaki ke muntira ke Regmi kio baat karta hai ki kya ho..Bahiya haru.......ye rahasya ke uparme rahasya ko line nalagao na......re kya aja milayera..... |
| paramendra | Posted
on 30-Oct-02 08:52 PM
James Bond and Rusty, why don't you just tell me what to write, what not to write, what thread to start, what not to ....... what was I thinking! Humga Munga: (a) The article is tryign to suggest the freebies in DC make it a wonderful tourist attraction, from the Smithsonians and on. (b) "I am from India." My father's side of the family is from Nepal, my mother's side is from India. I describe myself as a South Asian. The term "Nepali" is not inclusive enough to describe me. In this particular case, I was talking to a guy who looked homeless. I knew I had no chance with Nepal, so I tried India. He did not give me the impression he knew what or where that was either. Bitchpatroll, Krishna, Dumbass. Looks like you "Bahadurs" have really found a niche here at this thread. Hiding behind your cyber anonymity to the point where you might end up making some illegal comment, you make comments. Sexist comments. Personal attacks of the cheapest variety. Veiled prejudices. As if the rebuttal of ideas not being possible on the topics like the Sadbhavana or casteism, you go for what looks available to you. As I said in one of the earlier postings, the topic is not exactly personal. Let others disagreeing join the fray. |
| DHUMBASSE (DUMBASS) | Posted
on 30-Oct-02 09:05 PM
Aba madhise lai madhise na bhane kaslai madhise bhanne ta........ Ho ma 'bhadur', you called me Bahadur, you did the right thing, I am not offended ...... You should feel the same way......maile pahadiya lai madhise bhanyo bhane hancha ghumayera ghuyetrole.....hamile madhise bhannu ko pachadi yeutai karan cha .........jo madhes ma bascha tyo madhise ho .......madhes nepal ka yeuta abinna aanga ho..that feeling runs in our blood even though we are pahadiyas as you said..... so go ahead and call me Bahadur ........ sano ketaketi ruyeko jasto " ye! yesle ta malai madhise bhanyo! sob sob!!" kina garne ..huh Peace madhise.......... |
| cardinal | Posted
on 30-Oct-02 10:29 PM
And that reminds me of another nepali ukhaan "guhu chalayo afailai chita", I mean, why waste time arguing with someone who calls himself a dumbass? pandey sir le bhannu hunthyo, suteko manche lai uthauna sakincha, tara uthera pani suteko jhai garne manche lai uthauna sakinna. Esto useless haru sita mukh lagera ke time waste garira paramendra bro? |
| DWI | Posted
on 30-Oct-02 10:54 PM
Paramendra, I don't wanna get into this meaningless brawl; thus I was participating in your question answer. So far we are in good terms then. But I think you shouldn't have said what you just said. Your quote: " Looks like you 'Bahadurs' have ..." that was way off track. Even if you mentioned the people you were referring to, it affects all of us Nepalese here in Sajha. I hope you realize your mistake. |
| paramendra | Posted
on 30-Oct-02 11:18 PM
Dumbass: Someone from Madhes is a Madhesi. Someone from the Terai is a Teraiwasi. Someone from the Pahad is a Pahadwasi. Or Pahadiya. But the difference between the word madisey/madhise and Madhesi is the difference between the words negro and n----r. By now, even the term Negro is out of fashion. Afro-American. Similarly, even though, Madhesi is an okay term, Teraiwasi is even better. Please correct yourself if yours was an honest mistake, as opposed to a statement of malice. Cardinal: When the "good" people remain silent, problems arise. DWI: I am glad we are keeping to the point. As for your other point, if the Sajha audience keeps mum while these jokers make sexist and ethnicist comments at abandon, they also lose the right to take offense at the offensive term "bahadur." I think we owe this community some decency, and need to stand up for the same when the need arises. |
| DHUMBASSE (DUMBASS) | Posted
on 31-Oct-02 08:19 AM
Paramendra!! No ! no malice intended. Just the spelling difference........Madhesi is the right way to spell it. Negro specifies a race more than a person that comes from a certain region. Hence Negro Vs. Caucasus. Nigger is a more derogatory term. more like Redneck . yes ,the use of both of the terms ( Negro and Nigger) is politically incorrect and , so are the words Madhesi or pahadiya or Bhote, even Bahadur in that regard. Rather, the justifiable term is NEPALI hoina ra.....? Hence, we are not pointing at a specific race when we say Madhesi. I believe it is just the way people have said the word over the years. But the definitoon still holds, People from Madesh are called madhesi ( see!! your term). Yes ! if someone says " Hey! mac***ni Kale Madhise Dhoti ) there is something belittling ... I do not intend to divert this thread to somethng else than more of LARA...Hope to see more nice pics..... hehehehe Peace.... |
| jame bonds | Posted
on 31-Oct-02 08:43 AM
Definitions: Madhisey is someone who lives in Madhesh, so Paramendra if you hail from Madhesh, I think it's silly of you to be offended when someone calls you a Madhisey. Yes, if some one called you a "saaley mach....y madhisey dhoti" you have a right to be offended but merely calling you madhisey should not be offensive. Madhesh ko manche is Madhisey. On the other hand, "Bahadur" is a derogatory term used by some Indians to belittle Nepalese on their jobs as security guards at Indian homes. You, being a Nepali, and belittling Nepali is very demeaning. Or are you NOT nepali? If you call Nepalis as bahadurs, doesn't that include yourself? You talk high and big, but now you're belittling yourself. HA HA HA And why do you call on the so called "sajha community" to speak up for the sexist and ethnicist comments that you cook up in your head. Case in point - you being offended at being called Madhisey. If it was Dhoti, yes I can understand. Stop making a mountain out of a mole. Do you ever think twice that maybe this "sajha community" is tired of your egoistic facade that you are keen on creating for yourself? You pass subtle threats regarding the law. How someone's comment could be illegal and all. Why do you even create the reason for this to happen? You know that if you make it a legal case then it means that this site might cease to exist. Why don't you pack your bags and leave before it reaches such a stage? It seems like people have had enuff of you. It will be in everyone's general interest for you to take it easy. |
| Bitchpatroll | Posted
on 31-Oct-02 08:59 AM
Yo Minder, Did you ever even think in your blown out proportion egotistical mind why all these people are after you ? Why ? Think ? There are a lot of other posters here that are from various racial backgrounds some from your own Tarai area. I don't see them going after each and everyone of them. After all the stunts you pulled you have he audacity to accuse us of descrimination. Its ok for you call others Bahadur but its not ok for us to call you a madhisey ? Thats double standard...Now if you hadn't posted that picture we would not be discussing this stoopid topic. You and your Banner antics and your zillion posts & links and your long ass never ending articles, your pimping your college papers. you know this reminds me of an old saying in Nepal..EMPTY VESSELS MAKE A LOTTA NOISE..Maybe you don't have anything up there thats probably why you have to time and again pull thses stunts to self assure yourself YES I AM SMART. You seriously need to work on your people skills. You are rubbing off the wrong way. And one more thing Mr Minder Reverse Racism thats what we are witnessing here. |
| paramendra | Posted
on 31-Oct-02 08:59 AM
"..the justifiable term is NEPALI hoina ra.....? " That is not the only group identity people from Nepal have. And Nepali is more a legal term of citizenship than cultural. Migrants from the hills who now live in the Terai can be called Teraiwasis. But they are not Madhesis. The Madhesis are the dhoti-kurta people, the Maithili, Bhojpuri, Awadhi, Tharu, Urdu, Hindi and Rajbanshi speakers. I myself like to see myself as a South Asian first and foremost. "...if someone says " Hey! mac***ni Kale Madhise Dhoti ) there is something belittling ... " There is a lot wrong with that statement. As if the Madhesi Nepalis are not citizens of Nepal. The receiving end of the hatred that comes out of the largely illogical Indophobia that made the careers of even the likes of Madan Bhandari. |
| paramendra | Posted
on 31-Oct-02 09:07 AM
"Madhesh ko manche is Madhisey." Madhesi not madisey/madhisey. The difference between the words Negro and n____r. The term Bahadur is a derogatory one and that is how I intended to use it, so folks like you get a little enlightened and refrain from belittling the Madhesis. And, no, that term does not include the Madhesis. Not that I approve of it thus. "...Or are you NOT nepali? .." My father is from Nepal, mother from India. I was born in India, grew up in Nepal, went to school for a decade in Kathmandu. A Nepali citizen. Been in the US over six years. Consider myself a South Asian first and foremost, culturally speaking. Find the term "Nepali" too narrow. Maithili is my first language, not Nepali. They don't do bhaitika in that culture, just like you folks don't do Chhath. Etc. "..How someone's comment could be illegal and all. Why do you even create the reason for this to happen? ..." Law 101. I will NOT be responsible for other people's illegal actions. That is basic. I don't feel the need to explain. 007: This is not the first time you have given me the impression you dislike me. Well, let's not cross paths in this cyber community. |
| paramendra | Posted
on 31-Oct-02 09:10 AM
BP: Your fantassy that people need your approval/admiration/permission before they may participate at Sajha is not about to come true, so just beat it. Your other fantassy of not having to see me too often might come true soon though. My work visa got renewed a few days back! :-) |
| Bitchpatroll | Posted
on 31-Oct-02 09:16 AM
Posted on 10-31-02 9:10 AM Reply P: Your fantassy that people need your approval/admiration/permission before they may participate at Sajha is not about to come true, so just beat it. Hey Minder I think you forgot where we are..Its a free copuntry pal you can post whatever..but there will be consequences..be ready and take it like a man. Don't go crying like a bitch everytime someone calls you a Madhisey. |
| DHUMBASSE (DUMBASS) | Posted
on 31-Oct-02 09:16 AM
parmendra! "That is not the only group identity people from Nepal have. And Nepali is more a legal term of citizenship than cultural. " so you are the one who has the divisional mentality, who wants to draw a line on the sand........well good luk ....go right ahead... I have many a relatives who live in Jhapa and Biratnagar, a major portion of terai ( madesh), They prefer to wear dhoti , gamcha, and kurta as much as your fellows do . Are they madhesis , yes they are. .. my maternal uncle chews tabbacco with chuna, Jarda Pan is always in his mouth, so much so his mouth is always red. I have never seen him in any other outfit but Dhoti and kurta, so is he a madise , yes , a very hard working , proud madhise, who does not see any insecurites in being madhise and, thus, does not complain or whine either. |
| jira | Posted
on 31-Oct-02 09:29 AM
Dhumba aja alik serious dekhincha ni kya ho! |
| paramendra | Posted
on 31-Oct-02 09:34 AM
BP, I guess you are the "Bahadur" being mentioned. Dumbass: "...you are the one who has the divisional mentality..." Old argument. The status quo of inequality is the "divisional mentality." Not the seeking to undo it, remedy it. I guess your maternal uncle is a Nepali Speaking Teraiwasi who does not celebrate Chhath, as opposed to a Maithil who does. No big deal. All the glory to him. So the "Madhesis" in Kathmandu should no longer be called "Madhesis," right? |
| DWI | Posted
on 31-Oct-02 09:44 AM
I just pondered about this discussion for a while and I realized the reactions were natural. Your identity is hurt so you are retaliating, even though that may not be the best thing to do. I am still not over that 'Bahadur' remark but I think Param's last explanation has satisfied me. I have read very enlightening contributions from all of these individuals engaged in the brawl in this thread. Instead of ousting a certain individual, I feel it is better if we just mend our differences. If not, we can atleast agree to disagree and stop this mud-slinging. Just a suggestion, u do have rights to say whatever you want. |
| Bitchpatroll | Posted
on 31-Oct-02 09:52 AM
"Find the term "Nepali" too narrow . Consider myself a South Asian first and foremost, culturally speaking. "----What the hell ? You are a citizen of Nepal but you do not consider yourself a Nepali then Huh ? Jis thali mei Khaya wohi thali mei latrin karteiho tum ? that statement you just made shows what sort of a person you are. |
| DHUMBASSE (DUMBASS) | Posted
on 31-Oct-02 10:05 AM
I sense a big difference in our thinking process parmendra and insecurity in you! Chath is a very well accepted festival that every teraibashi participates with much enthusiam , not just the ones that wear dhoti and kurta. I have seen my causins enjoying the time as much as thier friends, it might not mean the same as it would to you. but that is a great respect to your parva. what else you ask... Kathmandu is a hub, being the capitol of the country, naturally you find all types of people there. you wanna separate yourself and only wanna hang out with people like you, they will call you madishes. I have seen very many madhesis prosper in the valley without any prejudice. Well, I do not think we will ever get anywhere argueing with you. I have come to realize that it is wiser of me to let you think and say what you think , for the fact that you have a tunneled vision . so long!! May peace be with you............ |
| Suna | Posted
on 31-Oct-02 10:35 AM
Find the term "Nepali" too narrow . Consider myself a South Asian first and foremost, culturally speaking. Paramendra: you must be joking right? What about the 1 million Nepalese residing in India, a few hundred thousand in the US, half the population, if not more from Bhutan and so on and so forth. The term Nepali is too narrow? |
| DHUMBASSE (DUMBASS) | Posted
on 31-Oct-02 10:51 AM
SUNA!! all the Nepalis who do not live in nepal itself are Nepali too and the bond that bonds them always together is the Language itself, the formost thing, and all the rituals and festivals that we share, so fondly. I was young when I got a chance to visit Assam , manipur, Southern part of Bhutan. The hospitality i recieved from the nepalese families out there, by me just merely stating that i was from Nepal was just so profoundly moving, which is not possible to explain in words. it was just so overwhelming. so affectionate, warm and cozy . there was no dicrimination whether one came from the pahad or the terai or the himals. All you needed to be was from Nepal. That greatly influenced my vision. Thank you for sharing your comment Sad thing to note , i never got the chance to go to Darjeeling, unlucky me. |
| hunga munga | Posted
on 31-Oct-02 10:55 AM
"Humga Munga: (a) The article is tryign to suggest the freebies in DC make it a wonderful tourist attraction, from the Smithsonians and on. (b) "I am from India." My father's side of the family is from Nepal, my mother's side is from India. I describe myself as a South Asian. The term "Nepali" is not inclusive enough to describe me. In this particular case, I was talking to a guy who looked homeless. I knew I had no chance with Nepal, so I tried India. He did not give me the impression he knew what or where that was either". I have friends who have the same ethenic background as you but they are proud to call themselves a NEPALI. |
| SITARA | Posted
on 31-Oct-02 10:59 AM
PRIYA PARAMENDRA PARADING HIS PRIYATAMA PATNI!!!!!!!!! Can he get anymore attention by default???????? Women studies are we doing hajur? YA!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| dirk | Posted
on 31-Oct-02 11:02 AM
I agree with Dhumbasse..You can still be a Nepali whether you live in Nepal, India, Bhutan, Myanmar, US, UK or anywhere else. BTW, I don't think the Nepali population in the US is anywhere as high as you've stated. |
| jira | Posted
on 31-Oct-02 11:10 AM
"Folks like JIRA do not see anything except for hariyo patta" "Find the term "Nepali" too narrow " I was holding my breath up until here. Yes! Mr. Bhagat! I do not see anything other than Hariyo patta since you often like to talk about your work visa renewal shit. I do not even see nothing wrong with that coz we are all bound to better oppertunity. You post some of your personal picture and try to grab the attention. Nothing wrong with that even. But I feel pity for that girl who was standing innocently not knowing that she would be exploited in public forum by some cheap slut like you. I am glad that you find the word "Nepali" too narrow to define yourself. It should be that way because you are Nepali only techincally. Your heart goes to your fellow indian brothers. No wonder we have growing hatred towards our indian brothers because of the people like you. I was mad as hell to one of my friend saying " Yo M*** haru lai ta boder kateki aphno hool ma lusukka misinchan, hami lai po garho cha ta". May be I should go back and take my anger back. Mr. So called Nepali! I request you to show your descency by not replying to me. Thukka! Deenai Kharab paryo 18 pangrey ley |
| blocKadez | Posted
on 31-Oct-02 12:09 PM
sabbai pakhey 'haru' karayera chutti. Translate that in english- pakheys making too much noise, its holiday. |
| Rusty | Posted
on 31-Oct-02 12:37 PM
lol @ Blockadez |
| Bitchpatroll | Posted
on 31-Oct-02 12:58 PM
Mr Bhagat writes: "The term Bahadur is a derogatory one and that is how I intended to use it, so folks like you get a little enlightened and refrain from belittling the Madhesis." So here we go Minder.. Just trying to show your own image in the mirror. What the hell happened to your ideologies. Your logic, your reasoning on descrimination, racism blah blah blah...You are openly stating that "The term Bahadur is a derogatory" and that is how you intend to use it ? how fk ae we supposed to trust you ? Hold a public office ? Naaahh I don't think so paatna. You are like a dalal..whoever throws you a peice of bone ..ye start licking their feet. Your degrees, your ideals, your papers all are just a consealment of your true identity..which is pretty evident in the above statements that you made. |
| Garibjanata | Posted
on 31-Oct-02 12:58 PM
Looks like somewhere around Monterey Beach, Calif.Is she your gal? What a PATAKA man. |
| dirk | Posted
on 31-Oct-02 01:00 PM
Param-Indra, You were asking for it, weren't you? By posting a picture of your "dil-ke-dhadkan" straight outta some wet t-shirt contest or the upcoming episode ofGirls Gone Wild. Are we to think you are a real stud now? Or did somebody question your sexual preference? Are you trying to prove your virility? Guessing the beach was your ploy to have us admire your scantily-clad damsel and think.."Wow, this Param dude is quite a ladies' man". You do have some sort of a complex, that's for sure!!! |
| psychoanalyst | Posted
on 31-Oct-02 01:57 PM
ffhhee definitely has a problem. the woman is not in wet t shirt. she is merely standing somewhere in the beach. she is cute. our param wanted to show. now, that is the crux of his whole psyche. his unquiet mind. it is restless. he likes attention. if you carve too much attention, attentions takes away all the attentions of this world and you act irrationally like Param does. he does want to show like this dirk som suggest. he is constantly looking for a validation. his madhiseness, his worthiness which he thinks it might be unworthy. he is constantly fighting with his demons. mind you posting a picutre of your wife or girlfriend or your brother is not a crime. people instritinctly know what is acceptable in sajha but some people like Paramendra are incapable of understandingthis. he comes and posts a picture which is somewhat provocative. all the usual suspects jump at it and voila' Param's attention hunger is satisfied. but he is bewildered at the same time why this much hulla khalla. it is called grasping reality in bits and pieces and it is dangerous. Ciao! Pheri Bhetaula. Albida. Ram Ram Param. |
| czar | Posted
on 31-Oct-02 01:59 PM
BitchP - You are now clued into the tactics deployed by the object of your derision. Is Sajhapur now to be devoid of your outbursts ? If so, this is gonna be a mighty dull place. Dirk ole boy, had a Eureka moment, eh? Its not Mr. P thats the fool, he made one out of the lot of us. He pulled our chains and pushed our buttons effortlessly. Hats off to you Mr. P.! I say, well done ! Compliments to the lady. |
| czar | Posted
on 31-Oct-02 02:02 PM
Psycho, you are dangerous. |
| psychoanalyst | Posted
on 31-Oct-02 02:22 PM
do u really think so czar? do yu think i hit the mark? |
| czar | Posted
on 31-Oct-02 02:37 PM
Keep it down Psycho..shhh.... we dont want everyone finding out now, do we ? |
| paramendra | Posted
on 31-Oct-02 04:06 PM
"What about the 1 million Nepalese residing in India, a few hundred thousand in the US, half the population, if not more from Bhutan and so on and so forth." What about the 30 million Maithili speakers worldwide? What about it! Your definition of Nepali is those who speak Nepali, is that so? Do the Nepalis in the hills feel closer to the Indian in Darjeeling than to the Nepalis in the Terai? |
| Jame Bonds | Posted
on 31-Oct-02 04:12 PM
Taken from sajha about us page: "to talk about Nepal and the Nepalese, and to remind the fact that we are Nepalese no matter where we are and what we do." It seems like it does not fit Paramendra's Maithili agenda. And, he has clearly stated that he finds the term "nepali" too narrow. Maybe that means that this NEPALI sabaiko sajha site is too narrow for you. Maybe it would do everyone good if you stick to some other broader south asian site, and leave us bahadurs to enjoy among ourselves. |
| Suna | Posted
on 31-Oct-02 04:17 PM
Paramendra I was wondering if you would come up with that. You didn't fail me. Behind that facade of being well read and well travelled, you have proved to be an ignorant little person who thrives on this system of casteism!!! My definition of a Nepali is also a foreigner who would feel and do SOMETHING towards the upliftment of the Nepalese people and help in advancing the poor of Nepal and NOT just point fingers at what is wrong with the system!! You will definitely have to spend a couple of months in Darjeeling to see how people live there and have adjusted to the fact that the majority of the population is NEPALESE and speak the language- EVEN THE INDIANS!! |
| Poonte | Posted
on 31-Oct-02 04:30 PM
Haraeeeee...yo tamasha, halla khalla, jatra create garnu bhanda, Paramender jee...Indian citizenship linus, ani chup basnus na hunna? Kasaile rok tok garya jasto ta lagdaina tesma... Dhobi ko kukur, na gahr ko na ghat ko... feri tapain lai kukur bhanna khojeko hoina ni!!!! maile ta cheti saken yees bare...ukhan ko prayog matra gareko! |
| DHUMBASSE (DUMBASS) | Posted
on 31-Oct-02 04:41 PM
Mr. Parmendra, why ought wanna feel closer to indians from Patna , can you explain? I can understand your sentiment towards INDIANS since it is running in your vain ( My mother is from India) , but why should i wanna work on to get closer to an Indian, whether he is from Bihar or from Madras, Can you explain? "Do the Nepalis in the hills feel closer to the Indian in Darjeeling than to the Nepalis in the Terai? " Atleast Nepalese people in Darjeeling or any other part of india are close to their indian counterparts, where as we always see you drift away from the Nepalese people. Please explain what makes you think you could even raise that question above ? |
| DHUMBASSE (DUMBASS) | Posted
on 31-Oct-02 04:43 PM
correction: Mr. Parmendra, why we ought to wanna feel closer to indians from Patna , can you explain? |
| bhedo | Posted
on 31-Oct-02 05:03 PM
Coz he doesn't want to be associated with hakuchas from South India. Kasto prashna sodheko dhumbasse le ha? |
| paramendra | Posted
on 31-Oct-02 07:17 PM
The whole "Nepali" terminology ................ To be a non-Hindu and to make peace with the term is to give in to the exotic inequality of Nepal being called a Hindu nation, to be a non-Nepali speaker, and to live with a desperate hostility towards Terai's link language Hindi, and a second class status for other languages, not to mention the sexism, or the lack of federalism that refuses to recognize the madhesis, the janajatis, the dalits, the tendency among the Nepali speakers to feel closer to the Nepali speakers of Darjeeling than to the Maithili speakers of Janakur, the virulent Indophobia for which the "Nepali" Teraiwasis get scapegoated, three million of whom have been denied citizenship certificates by official count, subject to hate speech in the streets of Kathmandu, the lack of democracy, the existence of a semi-total monarchy, the corruption of the 1990s ---------- no, the term Nepali is not inclusive enough. As a legal term of citizenship, it serves its purpose. But as a cultural term that everyone legally entitled to it can feel proud of, get a sense of belonging out of, no it is not inclusive enough. Or as a term of hope and aspirations, power is too much in the grips of the elite who draw lineage going back years, decades, centuries. No, the term "Nepali" is inclusive enough. |
| DHUMBASSE (DUMBASS) | Posted
on 31-Oct-02 08:35 PM
Well ,Parmendra!! This thread was started by you , I wanna see you end it too. That is my sincerest desire. As for me, I am not a perosn that can interpret every thing around me in a much political way like you do. It was wrong of me to think of you as a Nepali and, my attempt to get closer to another Nepali was wasted , for he was not one. Thus I have come to realize, as I have stated above, it is wiser for me to rest my case and agree to disagree with you. May god give u the power to reach ur goal of serving the 30 millions of Maithili all over the globe. At the same time I do wanna assure you that I will always believe in my pure definition of " madhise", well "madhesi". Peace.. |
| paramendra | Posted
on 31-Oct-02 09:07 PM
Summary: I guess this thread has had two broad themes ----------- (1) The sexism of the pigs. (2) The storm in the teacup around the comment "The term Nepali is not inclusive enough." Adios ........ or is it? |
| Deep | Posted
on 01-Nov-02 08:45 AM
"Dhobi ko kukur, na gahr ko na ghat ko... " - Poonte. Aaiyau! |
| Bitchpatroll | Posted
on 01-Nov-02 09:21 AM
Yo Minder, I gues you have NO SENSE OF LOYALTY AT ALL. And you know what they say about people who have no sense of loyalty..THAT THEY CAN NEVER BE TRUSTED. So you can keep spurting crap from yo Diarrehea mouth. But I know its all BullSh*t. If you think you are above belittled Nepali people, why are you here ? I guess Poonte put it best "Dhobi ko kukur, na gahr ko na ghat ko... " Ouch !!! |
| paramendra | Posted
on 01-Nov-02 11:58 AM
To the contrary, I find cultural diversity enrichening and fascinating. That is my favorite thing about America: that it is the most diverse country there is. |
| oys_chill | Posted
on 01-Nov-02 12:48 PM
khoi k ho yo jatra? handigaon ko jaad jatra bhanda ni danger bha raicha ..ambo ambooo..aanchhhhhhhh!! poonte dai..tyo ukhan chai thaha chaina..........i think the more appropriate UKHAN out here would be " jo budo, uhi batohuguwa" for the nepricans " those who are old, are the first shitters in the street" paramendra ji, stop worrying bout the hostility.......concentrate on your congressional future here in US :) all in good faith! oys |
| Deep | Posted
on 01-Nov-02 12:50 PM
kahi napara Oys le yaha aayera century fetyo! |
| lonely | Posted
on 01-Nov-02 01:03 PM
param ji ke ho jati bela ni sajha ma dekhchhu ni ....aajkal ke gardaihunu hunchha.....? Kitab lekhna la re bhanne suneko thiye taki sakiyo? |
| Bitchpatroll | Posted
on 01-Nov-02 01:17 PM
Mr Bhagat States: Posted on 11-01-02 11:58 AM Reply o the contrary, I find cultural diversity enrichening and fascinating. That is my favorite thing about America: that it is the most diverse country there is. Are you sure it includes your south Asian population. Are you sure its not too broad to include the group of folks you identyfy with ? We have a pretty enriching and diverse culture in Nepal too maybe you were too blind to see it. As they say beauty lies on the eyes of the beholder. Why do you come here ? to feed your ego ? or you need to go see a therapist.. you've got some serious complex issues running around in your brain. |
| paramendra | Posted
on 01-Nov-02 01:24 PM
"...Are you sure it includes your south Asian population...." Factoid: People from literally every town on the planet are here in America. |
| lonely | Posted
on 01-Nov-02 01:29 PM
Param ji ....aajkal ke gardaihunu hunchha.....apart from sajhapur? Kitab lekhna la re bhanne suneko thiye taki sakiyo? |
| paramendra | Posted
on 01-Nov-02 01:32 PM
Lonely: (-- are you really? .. ki LUP udas bha jasto ho? ---------- a fancy poetic name?) Answer: http://www.geocities.com/paramendra/2002/ss.html |
| dirk | Posted
on 01-Nov-02 01:34 PM
Param_indra, Factoid: People from literally every town on the planet are here in America. We all know is that US is the most diverse nation in the world . But gimme a break, will ya? I'm sure your home state of Bihar is quite adequately represented. May be more than enough cause Indians are no longer eligible for the DV Lottery program. Not only Nepal but US is also feeling the glut of Desis here. |
| paramendra | Posted
on 01-Nov-02 01:37 PM
"...I'm sure your home state of Bihar is quite adequately represented..." Most Indian in the U.S. tend to be from the South: Tamils, Marathas, Gujaratis. I have met ONE Bihari .............! Bihar is not my home state, my mother's it is. And so that is my favorite Indian state. Factoid: Indians and Chinese are everywhere.......... |
| paramendra | Posted
on 01-Nov-02 01:38 PM
.".........Not only Nepal but US is also feeling the glut of Desis here..." Anti-Madhesi prejudice creeping in? Gyanendra's ancestors are from Rajasthan.... What's your family history? |
| Deep | Posted
on 01-Nov-02 01:41 PM
"...Anti-Madhesi prejudice creeping in? Gyanendra's ancestors are from Rajasthan.... " Rajasthani ka ancestors haru chahi kaha ka the ni? huda hudai yo US pani afnai purano homeland hola jasto chha. ke ko green card? afnai desh ma? |
| Suna | Posted
on 01-Nov-02 01:44 PM
paramendra For someone as Nepali as you are (obviously Nepalese from Darjeeling are aware they are not TECHNICALLY Nepalese like you!), you obviously feel attacked if people say something about Indians. Why do you indentify with them(Indians) so much if your gunaso against the Nepalese system is for the 3 million Maithalis? I didn't study Nepali history, dhoti jo parey ma! - technically!, what is the link between the maithilis and the biharis? |
| dirk | Posted
on 01-Nov-02 01:48 PM
I wouldn't classify Maharastra or Gujarat as the South. Most of the people from the Carribean of Indian origin( Guyana, Trinidad, Jamaica, Bermuda..etc) also tend to have their ancentral home in Bihar or UP. |
| paramendra | Posted
on 01-Nov-02 01:56 PM
Deep: Frankly, I don't see myself as an "outsider" even in the US. America is a concept to which anyone can lay claim. My comment on the royal family was just a side for those "purists" who would like the madhesis to "prove" they are with Nepal and not India. And it is a fact. The Shahas are Rajputs from Rajasthan. Suna: I don't feel "attacked" instinctively, it is just that much talk about Indians at Sajha has been hostile. Indophobia was Madan Bhandari's true ideology, it was not Janata Ko Bahudaliya Janabad. My problem with that Indophobia in Nepal is Nepal does not do anything to India - it can't - and all that anger gets internalized as this deep-seated prejudices against the madhesis. That is my grudge. "...the 3 million Maithalis.." Not 3, but 30. There are 30 million Maithili speakers worldwide. 20 million Nepali speakers worldwide. "...I didn't study Nepali history, dhoti jo parey ma! ....." I am not sure what this means. Are you saying you are a madhesi? Or Darjeelinge? "...what is the link between the maithilis and the biharis? .." People in south-east Nepal and north Bihar are Maithils. Mithila is a cultural/geographical entity. The affinity that the Nepali speakers in Nepal feel with the Nepali speakers in Darjeeling - which I think is beautiful ....... (I have read some Nepali writers from "prawas."...) - is the same affinity that the Maithils feel across the border. That cultural bond is deep. And natural. And beautiful. |
| Hasilomuhar | Posted
on 01-Nov-02 02:04 PM
And so much for your Maithali or what ever ethnic background you came from. Cause you are settling here right ? Someone mentioned that you wannt to be a politician ? I am kind of fascinated by the coment BP made...about loyalty..this guy does not seem to have any. And you want to stay here mint money instead of bettering your ethnic grup back home ? It does not jive with your ideals ..or are they all just made up ? I see accusations everywhere but no defence. Does that mean that they are all true ? |
| Suna | Posted
on 01-Nov-02 02:14 PM
Khoi Paramendra timro kura sunda ta timro ra mero problem eutai cha.. Timi madhisey Nepal ma, ma Nepali Darjeeling ma. The difference being: I am pretty comfortable being who I am and therefore see no problem/difference in how I get treated by others! |
| Bathroomcoffee | Posted
on 01-Nov-02 02:26 PM
Anti-Madhesi prejudice creeping in? Gyanendra's ancestors are from Rajasthan.... What's your family history? What ? Now you want to be royalty ? Earlier you said you don't want to be Neapli but now you want to associate yourself witht the Royal family ? There are definately some loose screws in your head dude. I guess you are practicing your politician twang. How could you hate your own country ? you went to school in Nepal right ? Carry a Nepali passport ? If you do not want to be associated with us then I think we should confiscate your passport and your Nepali citizenship...DO NOT BITE THE HAND THAT FED YOU Madhisey!! Another Bahadur |
| czar | Posted
on 01-Nov-02 09:35 PM
Fellers, the man got all of you wound up big time ! Without half trying.Congratulations Parmen for consistently for pushing buttons of ALL of the people all of the time. Such Pavlovian responses you elicit from the crowd. Happy Diwali, fellow sajhapur niwasis. Cheers ! |
| dirk | Posted
on 01-Nov-02 09:50 PM
Czar, Are you one of Parmen(Pavlov's) dogs ? I , for one, am not. I am not wound up on anything...was just trying to keep the man in check like so many others here. That's all. Diwali is more of an Indian word or Madhesi. We'd prefer to call it Tihar. |
| NK | Posted
on 01-Nov-02 10:06 PM
This thread is just unbelievable! Paramendra posts a picutre (his wife?) and offers to write a haiku!!! That in itself is puzzling and then somehow the thread takes a sharp turn and becomes a "Nepali" thread. Who is Nepali and who is not and who can and has the right to call what to whom. Paramendra a seasoned Nepali Madhisey (I did not mean this term to be derogatory) who has been debating/arguing/splitting hair/writing a thesis endlessly since the beginning of e-bulletin board wants to take this "debate" to a higher ground but fails. The subject is inflamatory and sparks fly with a lot of garbage attached (on these sparks). So, Paramendra wants to be known as South Asian. So what? His mother is from some part of India and his father is some part of Nepal and went to a quintessential insiders' school -Budhanilkantha. Paramendra, is it safe to assume you went there with a Nepali government's money? Paramendra lives in the US. And mind you he WANTS to be known as a SOUTH ASIAN. My question here is: what is the problem? We all want to establish an identity. A new country gives one that freedom. Reinventing. Artists do that all the time. No big deal. As a matter fact we should all look into ourselves and find out who we are and if we are comfortable with that self/image. And, if we are not then maybe think about changing/renaming/modifying/improvising and other "ings." Among all these sharp words from Bitchpatrol to Bathroomcoffee (now that is original, wouldn't you say?) and Paramendra's non-chalant responses and scoffs I did enjoy Suna's last comment, " hoi Paramendra timro kura sunda ta timro ra mero problem eutai cha.. Timi madhisey Nepal ma, ma Nepali Darjeeling ma. The difference being: I am pretty comfortable being who I am and therefore see no problem/difference in how I get treated by others!" and Czar's reminder not unlike those chorus in Greek Tragedies of what actually is happening. Sajha ko jaihos. |
| khukuree | Posted
on 01-Nov-02 11:25 PM
P diddy is a riot |
| sparsha | Posted
on 01-Nov-02 11:28 PM
NK, Fastan "hyappy tyar" bhani halam hai. "Paramendra lives in the US. And mind you he WANTS to be known as a SOUTH ASIAN. My question here is: what is the problem? .." You also have answered what the problem is: We all want to establish an identity. <.......This is the problem. If, god forbid, INS deports him, the agency will not deport him to some fancy SOUTH ASIA land but will send him to a "hostile" nation called Nepal. You tell me, now, what is his identity? "...A new country gives one that freedom. Reinventing. " You can't walk around reinventing countries. It's not that simple (just take a look at Israel-Palestine issue). Yes, you can reinvent yourself though. What freedom? Do you know NK that the US can kick out even Naturalized citizens under certain cases? Where will they kick those former citizens out? out in some fantasy "freedom" land or some reinvented country? I don't care whether Parmendra wants to be a Nepali or Indian or American or whatever. If he renunciates Nepali citizenship tomorrow, I won't be sad a bit. Does it bother me that he is a Nepali citizen now? a BIG no.You have to have a "nepali" feeling to be a Nepali. A certificate of citizenship, fluency in Nepali, having a house in Nepal or some relatives there won't make you a Nepali. Yes, there might be rules and regulations as to how a person can be called a Nepali CITIZEN but there are no laws that dictate how you become a Nepali. It's the feeling. "Daura ra suruwal layera kohi Nepali hudaina, Nepali huna Nepali man chahinchha". If a person asks "Nepali man kasto hunchha?" then that person probably is not a Nepali. |
| Zero_creativity | Posted
on 01-Nov-02 11:53 PM
Why everybody is after Parmendra??? Did he comment any sin by trying to present some reality in this sajhapur? Why the phu. ck every body is after him. If he wants to establish his own identity as south indian, what is a problem? As millions Terai basi, he may feel he is discriminated everywhere in Nepal. He might be embarrassed in the roads and Gallis of kathmandu...he must felt bad when people points towards Terai basi as "KHALI SISI PURANA KAGAJ". I have heard that he had very bitter experience in Budalinkantha due to his ethnic background inspite of his superb academic record... If he wants to raise his voice aganist it, why everybody is offended!! Yeah! there is a distinguish discrimination against Tarai basi. The outrage of Parmendra is an outcome of discrimination. |
| khukuree | Posted
on 02-Nov-02 12:07 AM
arey kalia....ismeh kitne goli hey???????????? 
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| czar | Posted
on 02-Nov-02 12:48 AM
By all means, do give it your best shot and keep the man 'in check.' How much headway your fellers figure you've made ? Just how many of Parmens' ideals have you caused him to re-examine so far ? Speak up Parmen, the lads wanna know if they've kept you up nights, soul searching n all. Have you come to the inevitable conclusion that they are all right, and that you are the damn fool that they all insist you are ? Someone is sure to write you a haiku if you come clean. Here's your chance. Khai, kunai zamana ma Deepawali ko suvakamana pani bhanthey jasto lagcha, tara I must be mistaken. So here goes : Happy TIHAR to you Dirk. |
| dirk | Posted
on 02-Nov-02 07:01 AM
Czar: Deepawali is acceptable but Diwali. Anyway, you too, have a great Tihar, Czar! NK:"..went to a quintessential insiders' school -Budhanilkantha. " Whatever that's supposed to mean? How about your school---Lab? How's you cousin Rabi, BTW? |
| NK | Posted
on 02-Nov-02 08:04 AM
He is fine. His parents were here for a few weeks. They are back in Kathmandu. His wife is fine too. Still, I don't know you but that is ok. Thanks for asking. Very kind of you. The answer to your other question. You should know what I meant. If you don't then maybe you should not be discussing with our Param Indra ;)! |
| bhedo | Posted
on 02-Nov-02 08:17 AM
Actually, there is nothing wrong in calling yourself an Indian if you're in the US or abroad, because it's a loose term used to define people from the Indian subcontinent, which of course also includes Nepal. The term encompasses many different ethnic groups: Kashmiris, Panjabis, Pathans, Tamils, Ladakhis, Nagas, Siddhis, Shri Lankans, and yes folks even Nepalis. I got no qualms in calling myself an Indian. But if you're residing in Nepal, DO NOT call yourself an Indian, or else expect to be excoriated, and then decorated with garlands of shoes. As for Paramendra calling himself an Indian or whatever, big frigging whoop, as he said time and again that his mommy hails from India. He can opt to call himself whatever he wants to; it's his personal choice. As for the King, he can't be of Indian origin. Just look at his physical features. If anybody remembers our late prince Dipendra, he looked 100% oriental. The little resemblance the Shahs have to Indians comes from Mahendra's mother, who was of Indian origin. Plus, of the multitude of wives that Prithvi Narayan Shah had, some of them were of Indian origin. But then again, we can't ignore the fact that everybody's ancestor was a foreigner in Nepal at some point or another. Population movement, my friends. Nobody is indigenous. What are we all wrangling about? |
| paramendra | Posted
on 02-Nov-02 10:12 AM
"...so much for your Maithali or what ever ethnic background you came from..." My active commitment remains. Will remain. It is called giving back in the era of globalization. How about you? What are you giving back? "...Timi madhisey Nepal ma, ma Nepali Darjeeling ma...." Suna. The word is Madhesi or Teraiwasi, or Maithil or Mithilawasi. Not madhisey, which is like the American word ni__er. Please correct yourself. So you are a "Nepali?" If you are in Darjeeling that should make you an Indian, right? Or are you not proud enoug of your country that you have to call yourself a Nepali and not an Indian? "...Now you want to be royalty ? ...." Bathtubcoffee. Take your hate speech somewhere else. Yes, I am a citizen of Nepal, and I don't owe that piece of paper to you. It is not your gift to me, but my right. But I stand by my statement that the term "Nepali" as something of cultural pride is not inclusive enough of people like me, actually it is more inclusive of the Indians in Darjeeling than it is of me. "...Such Pavlovian responses you elicit from the crowd. .." LOL :-) I am glad someone is watching the show, and enjoying it. "...Diwali is more of an Indian word or Madhesi. We'd prefer to call it Tihar. .." No. Diwali is a word in the Terai. In the hills they call it Tihar, in the Terai they call it Diwali. Face up. Looks like to you India and Madhes are one and the same. Where do you see Nepal's borders, by the Churia hills? "...Paramendra a seasoned Nepali Madhisey (I did not mean this term to be derogatory) ..." Well, NK, if you don't mean to be derogatory, please use the word Madhesi. "...Paramendra, is it safe to assume you went there with a Nepali government's money? .." Partly yes. Partly my family. Partly a sponsor. But that government is as much mine as anyone else' so I don't feel the need to feel extra grateful to the barking bahadurs at the site like some whose posts you might have read earlier. "...he WANTS to be known as a SOUTH ASIAN..." I would hope ALL Nepalis would want to be known as South Asians! One can be a Newar and a Nepali at the same time. Same thing. You can be a Nepali and a South Asian and an Asian at the same time. "...I am pretty comfortable being who I am and therefore see no problem/difference in how I get treated by others..." Looks like I am even more comfortable being who I am. It is just that I don't put up with racist/ethnicist crap. "...will send him to a "hostile" nation called Nepal..." I intend to be visiting Nepal forever afterwards. To be actively contributiong. I hope to see a Sadbhavana Prime Minister some day. And I would like to contribute to that happenig. "...You have to have a "nepali" feeling to be a Nepali. ..." Wrong. That piece of paper is all one needs to be a citizen. "...As for the King, he can't be of Indian origin. Just look at his physical features. If anybody remembers our late prince Dipendra, he looked 100% oriental. .." So one has to have a thepcho naak to be a Nepali!? Now, THAT totally disqualifies me..... what was I thinking! |
| sparsha | Posted
on 02-Nov-02 10:52 AM
"...You have to have a "nepali" feeling to be a Nepali. ..." Wrong. That piece of paper is all one needs to be a citizen. Parmendra, go back to my post and read again. Looks like you're being confused between Nepali citizen and Nepali. |
| bhedo | Posted
on 02-Nov-02 11:14 AM
" So one has to have a thepcho naak to be a Nepali!? Now, THAT totally disqualifies me..... what was I thinking " When did I say all Nepalis have thepcho naak? I was merely disqualifying your inane theory that the King is of Rajput origin. And please, I have seen your nose Paramendra. Chucho re, hahahah. Your nostrils flare. I could shove a stick of dynamite up there without breaking a sweat if I wanted to. Your nose is long but wide. I know a gentleman from Mustang whose naak is more CHUCCHO than yours. |
| paramendra | Posted
on 02-Nov-02 12:32 PM
Well, Sparsha, what IS that "feeling.....?" In my experience, a major chunk of that feeling is about despising the madhesis, and saying Tihar is for Nepal, Diwali is for India, for example. That feeling? If not, what? Bhedo. My point you deliberately miss is citizenship of a country can not be attributed to physical/facial characteristics. That is racist ideology. If the madhesis "look" Indian, what exactly do Nepalis "look" like? And what do Indians "look" like? |
| sparsha | Posted
on 02-Nov-02 12:39 PM
Well, Sparsha, what IS that "feeling.....?" In my experience, a major chunk of that feeling is about despising the madhesis, and saying Tihar is for Nepal, Diwali is for India, for example. That feeling? If not, what? Parmendra, what's you feeling for "Mithila" or Maithali or may be janakpur? is it just "Chhath", "rakhi", "diwali"? or something else? You know the answer. |
| paramendra | Posted
on 02-Nov-02 12:48 PM
"........what's you feeling for "Mithila" or Maithali or may be janakpur? is it just "Chhath", "rakhi", "diwali"? .........." Sparsha, perhaps without realizing, you made my point, which is: (1) Nepali is a citizenship term, and everyone with that piece of paper is a citizen. (2) But it is also a cultural term tha binds the Nepali speaking populations all over the world, be it Kathmandu or Darjeeling, Dubai or DC. I fall in the first category. As for the second category, I feel the term is not inclusive enough for someone like me. That's all. |
| NK | Posted
on 02-Nov-02 01:08 PM
Sparsha, when I saw "Fastan" I thought you wanted to say Fasten as in fasten your seat belt. Then I thought, "hmmmm.... it don't make no sense." I reread again. Again the same thing. Then a big diyalo lit up. Ah! First of all!!! lol I am going to take a mid-day nap now. So, after being refreshed ( or so I hope) I will come back and try to write here something ok? 'Later, alligator. |
| bhedo | Posted
on 02-Nov-02 01:17 PM
"Bhedo. My point you deliberately miss is citizenship of a country can not be attributed to physical/facial characteristics. That is racist ideology. If the madhesis "look" Indian, what exactly do Nepalis "look" like? And what do Indians "look" like? " Why are you addressing that to me? I ONLY said that the King isn't of Rajput origin. I never mentioned what Nepalis look like, or should look like. I really don't get your point. Don't jump up and down without reading what I wrote. |
| Suna | Posted
on 02-Nov-02 01:51 PM
Paramendra You totally contradicted your original posting where you said the word NEPALI is not inclusive enough! kura ra kulo lai jata bagayo utai bagcha! |
| paramendra | Posted
on 02-Nov-02 07:16 PM
"...where you said the word NEPALI is not inclusive enough.." I am still saying it. The cultural term "Nepali" is not inclusive enough. |
| Tropical | Posted
on 02-Nov-02 10:56 PM
paramendra, may be you are excluding yourself! Have you ever tried including yourself. Ever heard of the expression - being lonely in a crowd! |
| paramendra | Posted
on 03-Nov-02 12:24 PM
Tropical: The details of my life are one thing. But the political cause of the Terai is much larger than any one person. And I feel for it. That's all. Ever noticed, you guys are so hellbent on trying to suggest that we get along, but don't make any effort to listen to the genuine political grievances, or to look at the possible solutions? Shava shanti on your mind? This forum itself is proof that we can get together and talk despite our differences. That should be the good news you say you are looking for. |
| NK | Posted
on 03-Nov-02 10:11 PM
Nigger is an ok term if it is said by the black folks. The word "bitch" once an epithet, for a lot women it is a term of endearment. You want to be called Madhesi instead of Madhisey because you see it as disparaging as Bahadur. *And * of course, you don't hesitate to hurl this word to make your point. Do you also steal just to show it is a criminal act? The roads you take: high and low so often amaze so often. I don't see Bahadur as a racist term neither the word Madhisey. Maybe I have moved beyond and forward to be entangled with the *feeling*, the *tint*, a word carries around. Paramendra, you make such a big deal about your thinking that "the term Nepali is not inclusive enough." Also you think South Asian is much better term to define somebody like you. Really, I do not see this as an earth shattering statement. You have grievances that people from Terai are discriminated. I agree that they are looked down upon. Then again so are people from Manang (Bhote), Mustang (Bhote), Bhaktapur (jyapu?), Kathmandu (aren't Newars called Pado in their own kathmandu?). The only difference is you voice all the injustices whatever forum you find at the time, that may be a noble cause for the people who feel wronged. And I personally think representation of Dhoti Kurtawal Nepali is higher than that of other castes mentioned, maybe except Newars. We live in at a time where ideas are transported within a second from one corner of the earth to another and one can be in Timbaktu one day and Kathmandu the next day. Born in Calcutta, married in Kathmandu, lived in San Francisco and retired in Sicily. That is not so unheard of. In this kind time it is not a surprise that some people feel more closer to one particular culture/place. In your case it is even less surprising that you find the term 'Nepali' too limited. I,however, still think you are limiting yourself a bit too narrowly. You could have said you feel a world citizen. But then it would not fulfill your political agenda would it? I think people including myself sense that (the political agenda part) and your whole complaints and ranting (yes sometimes it is seen as ranting) about how discriminatory all the other Nepali are towards Madhesi (your term, n ot mine) looks nothing but fueling the fire, making the mountain out of a mole hill as somebody here suggested. As you have agreed to be a Nepali it serves a practical purpose for you. So if Sparsha's fear comes true then US will have a place to deport you. Thank God! You won't have to languish in some prison in the US forever. If the word loyalty irks you (I am also thinking of your answer to my Budhanilkantha school) then so be it. I am not a moral police enforcing morality and ethics. After all you have to live with yourself. Not Dirk, not Bhedo, not Sparsha, certainly not I :)! People go to war in the name of their country. You cannot deny this "arbitrariness" of being/feeling loyal to the country you call your own and call the citizen of that country and be proud of. You cannot rebuff the feeling, the *objective* feeling one feels towards their country. It is there! It is real. Of course in an ideal world we should have no religion, no country, same god or no god at all and so forth. But that is not how it is. We are living in the confine of a vastly limited living condition. We try to live accordingly. So I say: "Go for it Paramendra!" Call yourself South Asian and if a panhandler/homeless people ask you where you are from tell them you are from India. After all it is your prerogative to call yourself whatever you chose to and also it is your prerogative to provide an answer to suit your other people's expectation and your own bias who knows how much or how little geography. |
| anepalikt | Posted
on 03-Nov-02 10:54 PM
Blah blah blah... on and on goes the thread which even in the fist few posts promised nothing but filth... how tedious. Obviously, some people are bigoted, small minded, sexist, racist, ethnocentric, and mysogynistic. Some people are opportunistic, self-obsorbed, lack the power of self-reflection and think they are inafallibel and beyond fault. Then there are the voyuers and commentators. All in all...Ugh!! |
| krishna | Posted
on 03-Nov-02 11:01 PM
And whats you????? |
| dirk | Posted
on 03-Nov-02 11:03 PM
Anepalikt, Where do you fall amongst all the nice categories you have so abundantly laid out for us all to ponder?Just wondering!!! Enquiring minds want to know! Are you a Voyeur or an Exhibitionist? |
| paramendra | Posted
on 04-Nov-02 02:27 AM
"Nigger is an ok term if it is said by the black folks. The word "bitch" once an epithet, for a lot women it is a term of endearment. You want to be called Madhesi instead of Madhisey because you see it as disparaging as Bahadur. *And * of course, you don't hesitate to hurl this word to make your point. Do you also steal just to show it is a criminal act? The roads you take: high and low so often amaze so often. I don't see Bahadur as a racist term neither the word Madhisey. Maybe I have moved beyond and forward to be entangled with the *feeling*, the *tint*, a word carries around." If you find the terms n____r and b___ch and bahadur fine, I guess I can see why the term Madisey falls in the same category in your worldview. But that does not apply to me. Please refrain from the epithet. The difference is I am not defending the term "Bahadur." You stand by - or seem to - the use of the epithet that is the word Madisey. I prefer being called by my name. But when group identities are concerned, I am fine with Maithil, Teraiwasi, Madhesi, South Asian, Asian, but not Madisey/Madhisey. Words are all the action. What am I supposed to wait for to take offense, for somone to physically assault me because that person might not be able to stand someone from the Terai? "...that people from Terai are discriminated. I agree that they are looked down upon. Then again so are people from Manang (Bhote), Mustang (Bhote), Bhaktapur (jyapu?), Kathmandu (aren't Newars called Pado in their own kathmandu?)...." And all of that is wrong. It is not just the madhesis, but also the janajatis, the dalits who have been getting rough deals. I have perhaps been more vocal on the madhesi issue owing to my background, but I have longed for janajatis and dalits at the forum, if there are, to present their stakes. "..I personally think representation of Dhoti Kurtawal Nepali is higher than that of other castes mentioned, maybe except Newars. ..." That might be your observation but I don't share it. "..Born in Calcutta, married in Kathmandu, lived in San Francisco and retired in Sicily..." I don't know about you, but I think America's diversity is its most appealing aspect. But that might just be me. I am surprised that someone of your cross-cultural experiences has to even struggle with my use of the term South Asian in my case. My father's side of the family is from Nepal, mother's side from India. And so I find myself more at peace when referring to myself as a South Asian. I mean, are YOU not a South Asian yourself? And it is not a political statement, but rather an intimate, personal one. My mother is no political statement to me. "...looks nothing but fueling the fire, making the mountain out of a mole hill as somebody here suggested..." Such a difference in perspective. Which is fine as a starting point, but I hope you appreciate the grievances a little more.
I have hopes women from the hills background will come around to appreciate these grievances more than some other groups, for that is how common ground will get created, through such a coalition, for the cards are stacked more against women as a group than against the Teraiwasis. "...agreed to be a Nepali it serves a practical purpose for you..." I have my citizenship certificate, the passport, as my birth certificate. It is not like I am a guest in someone else' country, and I need to be grateful to them. No. "...loyalty ..." Reminds me of another "minority" - the Muslims in India - who are also supposed to have to "prove" their loyalties. The word sounds more like, just put up with the status quo. Don't ask questions. If there is one thing you might have noticed here at Sajha, sorry, not my style. "....Budhanilkantha school..." I was there for a decade after having gone through a national entrance examination. So? "....After all you have to live with yourself. ........" So if a Teraiwasi expresses the grievances on behalf of the Teraiwasis, that is something immoral? Unethical? Give me a break. You know better. "...People go to war in the name of their country. .." Admit the Teraiwasis into the army. Don't bar them. NK, has it for one moment occurred to you that it is precisely my emotional attachment to the land where I grew up, precisely for over two decades worth of memories that I spend so much time and energy working out elaborate policy discussions related to that land, and have concrete plans to give back? That my "ranting" - your word - springs out of that same emotional attachment? And that "I am from India" statement is being twisted way out of proportion. I mean, half of me IS Indian. But look at the context of that statement. Thanks for your time. |
| batauli | Posted
on 04-Nov-02 02:53 AM
Paramendra, you said: 7. Just look at the Nepalis at the convention in the US. How many are from the Terai? My response: Why don't you bring truckloads of Teraiwasis Nepali of Indian Origin (Madhesi, Madhise) from Janakpur Anchal Hem Bdr Malla style... kach kach pani euta huncha ni... And, I am a "pahadiya" but a 3rd generation Teraibasi. Would you be careful next time to point out if your political vision has any room for me.. not your typical "bahadur" type, nor a "madhesia".. simply a madise.. by virtue of being from the Madhes.. and darker skin color.. masyam dekhi marchawar samma batauli |
| batauli | Posted
on 04-Nov-02 02:56 AM
Paramendra, How about benefitting from the Nepal ko Rajaswa while at BKS.... That does not make you a lesser Nepali.. or did it not? ghumdai firdai batauli Paramendra said: I have my citizenship certificate, the passport, as my birth certificate. It is not like I am a guest in someone else' country, and I need to be grateful to them. No. |
| batauli | Posted
on 04-Nov-02 03:15 AM
Paramendra, agreed you fall in the first category, and you yourself define in (2) what Nepali could also mean -- " ... NEPALI speaking population ALL OVER THE WORLD...", If you consider yourself a maithili speaker (which is not to be confused for my Tharu bhasa) as you have said elsewhere , then by your own definition you have ruled out the possibility of you being a Nepali "culturally". You choose to exclude yourself by your own definition, and you say that Nepali is not Inclusive enough... dunno what to say to you.. your reasoning beats me sometimes... but sure make good reading... marsyangdi dekhi batauli Paramendra said: Sparsha, perhaps without realizing, you made my point, which is: (1) Nepali is a citizenship term, and everyone with that piece of paper is a citizen. (2) But it is also a cultural term tha binds the Nepali speaking populations all over the world, be it Kathmandu or Darjeeling, Dubai or DC. I fall in the first category. As for the second category, I feel the term is not inclusive enough for someone like me. That's all. |
| bajai | Posted
on 04-Nov-02 04:08 AM
i feel deeply saddenned when i come across well educated people like paramendra, who, despite their wordly knowledge, begin digging holes for their own downfall. look, paramendra, what i feel is, none of us here actually initially held any grudges against you, or other terai wasis. in fact, when you first stepped into these forums, you held us in total awe, what with your excellent grasp of the english language, and your tons of knowledge in varied fields. but p, there is a limit to how much one can stomach, and digest, right? we know that you are a capable person. full stop. we'd appreciate a few recommendations if you felt we'd benefit from reading 'em. but we know that we can download virtually any information from the internet if we want and need to. full stop. do you remember, i once told you to stop lamenting about a dead prince who can't even refute allegations put against him? in that thread, if i remember well, you said you were ashamed to tell anyone that you're from the same country, or indeed, from the same school, as that prince? p, it's upto you. now that you've freed yourself from the burden of being called nepali, in a few years time, will you please feel free to relieve yourself from the burden of being called a south-asian as well?. so much for speaking out for our terai wasis. as far as posting a picture of your known-someone, either with/without her knowledge to gather views in the pretence of something else, i personally think this is disgusting. what did you get out of people spelling out and drooling over the size of her breasts? or was that what you wanted in the first place? |
| Bitchpatroll | Posted
on 04-Nov-02 08:40 AM
"...Paramendra, is it safe to assume you went there with a Nepali government's money? .." Partly yes. Partly my family. Partly a sponsor. But that government is as much mine as anyone else' so I don't feel the need to feel extra grateful to the barking bahadurs at the site like some whose posts you might have read earlier. Oh really wow! So you shit on the plate you eat everyday Huh Minder. You do not have to be grateful to anyone..As I mentioned earlier you are like a Dalal anyone that throws a peice of bone your way you would start licking their feet. Earlier you did mention the fact that you feel more closer to Bihari's than Nepali. And everyone in India knows what bihari's in INDIA ARE FAMOUS FOR RIGHT ? Mr bhagat writes:Ever noticed, you guys are so hellbent on trying to suggest that we get along, but don't make any effort to listen to the genuine political grievances, or to look at the possible solutions? Shava shanti on your mind? And you are listening very loud and clear...Minder yeah we hear you.. |
| paramendra | Posted
on 04-Nov-02 11:20 AM
Looks like this thread has come full circle and the conversation is going round and round. At least the sexist comments are off. The ethnicist comments remain: the mentality of the high casters who get offended when the low casters covert. Don't deny the identity or we will no longer be able to show you your place! You and your mud: wallow in it. People who hold deep seated prejudices and think of you not as Nepalis but as Indians in the first place, and then act offended when you point out the term "Nepali" is not inclusive enough. Time to move on. Nothing new to hear or say perhaps. I mean, the strategy is obvious: (1) Deny the anti-Terai sentiment. (2) Totally just do not give ground to possible political solutions. (3) Make personal attacks. (4) Make accusations of lack of loyalty. All that has the same source: the Indophobia that has been internalized to exclude the Teraiwasis, to scapegoat them. |
| Bitchpatroll | Posted
on 04-Nov-02 12:51 PM
Blah blah blah blah !!! Hey Minder look in the mirror before you start preaching again... Therre is an old saying Kaag Karaudai Garcha and pina sukhcha or sometin' YOU CAN SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT BUT YOU ARE JUST AS PRJUDICE AS THE PEOPLE YOU ARE BITCHING ABOUT. Its people like you who bring prjudice to our society. I am not Neapli Iam SOUTH ASAIN, I am not Neapli I am MAITHELI, I am not Nepali I am Tarai Basi.......Look in the Mirror PARMINDERRRRR Reverse Racism Go on keep Yaking but we know who you are... |
| paramendra | Posted
on 04-Nov-02 01:07 PM
I will no longer be responding at this thread. If you folks would like to continue with it, you are invited to this other thread I just created: |
| Bitchpatroll | Posted
on 04-Nov-02 03:01 PM
Posted on 11-04-02 1:07 PM Reply will no longer be responding at this thread. If you folks would like to continue with it, you are invited to this other thread I just created: You will not respond because you are an Idiotic moron thats why..You have not defended anyof the accusations put forth on this site. Which means you are as guilty as charged. Mr Parminderr= is Mr Fokatya(No defence hence true) Mr Parminder still has not contributed financially to better this site. (No defence hence true) Mr Paraminder is racist(calls Neapli's Bahadur hence true) NEED AAAH SAY MOOOO |
| bhedo | Posted
on 04-Nov-02 04:35 PM
Mmmmmmm, Lara. I like Lara... Lara Vallely. |
| Jhilkey | Posted
on 05-Nov-02 09:35 AM
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ho Ho Ho Ho ho !!!! This is funny stuff hoina ? This guy is funny..he feels hurt ohh !!! Poor you Paramendra ! |
| Chaakman | Posted
on 05-Nov-02 01:09 PM
ayyy Jhilkey, ayera pani gaisakaycha. Hatterika 1 bajey bhaneyko.... maybe next tyam la...Hoina Yo Paramendra Bhaneey Manchey ko Laaaz sharam bhanya chaina ki kya ho. Ki uslai laaz sharam banhya thaha chaina. Baadhi aaru lai Bahadur bhandai hincha yo moro madhisey. Yesh ko ghar kaha ho re ? Janakpur ho ? |
