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| MP |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 08:25 AM
Hello,
Does anyone have idea how safe Kathmandu is nowadays? I heard recently that Maoists were using gun with silencer and they killed Mr. Sanjay Singh Dangol at his home using silencer. Do Maoists chase them who go to visit his/her parent in Kathmandu? Is there any incident in Kathmandu that Maoists chase to the visitors (Nepalese living in USA)? Please, share some information, I desperately need to go to see my parents (they are pretty much old), but my parents and I are afraid of possible attack by Maoists. Any inputs, please ????
Thanks
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| bideshi |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 08:41 AM
I don't think so.As far as I know,kath valley is still safe,and if u live within the metro area,then I don't think u r a target.I had been to kathmandu,for a month and I was safe .They simply won't target u unless u r involved in politics or so.That's my opinion.But Just be alert, and don't do much halla that u r visiting kath. My brother also been there just few wks back and we all were very scared but he got back safe!Infact he enjoyed hid stay re!So,go visit ur parents,all the best! And God will do the rest!!!
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 09:12 AM
MP,
I agree with Bideshi. It is not that bad in the valley. If you go home, try not to be out too late...it is safer to take precaution but KTM is fine. Maoists, do not come after you just because you happen to be there; at least not in KTM.
Go, hajur.... you will wish you had! Staying here and tormenting yourself is not healthy. One suggestion: I backed up my travel ticket with travel insurance...just incase I got stuck in KTM or I got sick or wounded! Does not cost too much; maybe $150.00. You are actually buying your peace of mind. Also, on your return, use an airline (like Thai) that has flights out of KTM every day, so you can easily catch the next flight out.
Good luck!
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| bhedo |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 09:20 AM
I wouldn't really be afraid of Maoists, they are the least of your worries. Coz look, Nepalis seem to poop everywhere, and who knows when taking a walk you might slip on one of em and break something in your body. So worry about cow schitt, human feces, banana peels, puddles and urine.
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| ashu |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 09:22 AM
This is the kind of posting that makes me roll my eyes and shake my head.
Granted, safety should be everyone's concern, but this sort of worry is
way insane . . . the kind of American suburban nose-picking worrying habit
that writers like Bill Bryson make fun of.
Look, Kathmandu may be a lot of things, but this is not exactly your Kabul of
August 2001.
I mean, hundreds of thousands of people are living and working in Kathmandu, without worrying that they'll be blown off to pieces.
I just came back, to give you one example, watching Vin Diesel and Asia Argento in that movie XXX (evening show) in a fairly crowded movie theater . . . the same movie theater where a bomb went off a few days ago. BUT people were there there . . . chomping on popcorn, drinking Coke and with their family members. Now what does this tell you?
I was in Thamel earlier this afternoon, and the area was crowded as hell, even though another bomb had gone off there a few days ago. Ditto for Ason, Indrachowk, Putali Sadak and so on and on.
Given all this, who the hell is ever going to define how safe Kathmandu is FOR YOU and you alone?
Besides, unlss you wave your green card in their face and start singing star-spangled banner, how on earth the Maoists are going to figure out which Nepali is from Amrika and which Nepali is from Burkina Faso, and shoot only the ones from Amrika?
Get real.
If you have to see your parents, then, come, and you'll do fine in this city of lakhs of people.
If this safety thing is your goddamn excuse, then, stay where you are and chat online with your parents or call them.
But don't get insanely worried about the safety factor in Kathmandu as though living
in New York or DC or Boston were any better (that is, going by the US Department of Justice ko homicide rates in cities with 100,000+ population.)
Enough said.
Welcome to Kathmandu.
oohi
"OK, the Vin Diesel effect is wearing off now"
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| dirk |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 09:33 AM
I totally agree with Ashu. Take a chill pill and just hop, skip and jump to KTM. LIke Ashu said lakhs and lakhs are going about their own way without worrying too much about the Maoists. Kathmandu ain't Tel Aviv as yet!
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| MP |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 09:40 AM
Ashu,
You are so Rude damn Rude !!! How come, you can treat some one like this saying "Given all this, who the hell is ever going to define how safe Kathmandu is FOR YOU and you alone?"
Why don't you keep yourself apart from your bull shit suggestion???? You are the "Great One" who had spent Ten years for accomplishing Undergraduate. What do you think yourself, dude?
Thanks for all the well well-wisher!!!!!!!!!
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| ashu |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 10:33 AM
MP,
The pleasure is all mine.
Thank you for the compliments.
As I said, welcome to Kathmandu -- the city inhabited by hundreds of
fellow-Nepalis, living and working right here.
A very Happy Tihar to you.
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| ashu |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 10:39 AM
"As I said, welcome to Kathmandu -- the city inhabited by hundreds of
fellow-Nepalis, living and working right here."
THIS SHOULD HAVE READ AS:
"As I said, welcome to Kathmandu -- the city inhabited by hundreds of thousands of
fellow-Nepalis, including your parents, living and working right here."
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| bideshi |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 11:13 AM
ashu is acting very rude!Reading the news about maosist killing inocent people and at times even threatening the tourists(heard they got few bucks from them),it's quite natural for one to be concerned and what's wrong in asking?U can be polite and just give him hearty welcome in kathmandu!
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| MP |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 11:29 AM
Ashu,
You can keep your bull shit argument with you. I do not mean that no one lives in Nepal. At the same time, you do not have to tell us that People live in Nepal (basically in Kathmandu, I do not know in remote areas of Nepal). Your argument suits on the side of Maoists.
Did I ask anyone that you should welcome to me in Kathmandu? Of course, Not. You have shown your face indeed how you look like. I knew you personally while you were living in Boston. I knew you "Grand Design" for raping a Nepali Woman who got divorce 3 years ago. You never gave attention while you were talking about the plan with your "Good Friend". Do I have to give you a such evidence? You deserve for a "Grand Design" for raping a divorced woman in Boston. Fortunately, she was okay and she denied your offer. So, stop showing your damn face to us. Harvard did not give you shit.....understand......
Let's confront.........
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| Shiva Shiva!! |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 11:31 AM
Don't fight yaar. Ashu is just inspiring you to visit your parents.
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| ashu |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 11:32 AM
OK, Bideshi, I posted my heartfelt comment.
If you say I was being rude, well, then, so be it.
You win some, you lose some, and that's life, and I fully accept all that
without making excuses, without getting angry at others, and without paying
any attention to criticisms.
As Professor Morrie Schwartz says to Mitch Albom in that book "Tuesdays with Morrie": "You don't have to be nice all the time -- just [be so] most of the time."
A very Happy Tihar to you too.
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| ashu |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 11:43 AM
MP,
What is it that you are talking about?
"Raping a Nepali woman in Boston"?
Good Lord!!
Jesus Christ.
What's next?
That I murdered someone as well?
Wow!!
And all these attacks just because I have a name and face here on sajha that most people recognize? Wow!!
I mean, the lengths some people go to smear me is utterly disgusting and sickening.
OK, I admit that maybe I was being a little rude up there (which I jokingly attributed
to Vin Diesel effect), but all these charges are downright sinister and silly.
oohi
"akka na bakka in Kathmandu"
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| cardinal |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 11:49 AM
MP, Chill out.
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| MP |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 11:55 AM
Ashu,
You are the shame for all of us who are studying in Harvard from Nepal. Wasn't that true that you had spent Ten years to accomplish an Undregraduate? Ten years for an Undergraduate !!!!!!!! my goodness!!!!!!!!! Isn't it enough to know you?
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| MP |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 12:02 PM
Ashu,
Ten years of period is enough to learn how to argue in an Undergraduate Level. Please for you knowledge Read this Book, if you can not get this book in Nepal, I can send it to you of free of cost through online purchase " HOW TO ARGUE" An introduction to Logical Thinking By David J. Crossley and Peter A. Wilson. It just has 12 chapters including Introduction, it does not take Ten yours to read all these chapters, okay....
Read this book, okay..........
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| Zero_creativity |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 12:10 PM
Harvard!!!! Harvard!!!! Sapana bhanda pani mathi ko university!!! Baf re Baf!!!
Malai ta Harvard product dekera daar nai lagyoo.
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| ashu |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 12:12 PM
MP,
You obviously have an agenda against me, and you are willing to go to any length
to smear me, to break me, as it were.
But I am made up of much. much stronger stuff, and am NOT going to yield to
your FALSE charges.
You have accused me of rape . . .you may not know it, but that is a serious charge.
I am going to request San to take actions against you for DELIBERATELY misusing
this public forum to spread false and malicious gossip against me.
One more thing: Whether I spent 15 years or 3 years or 5 months at school is
none of your business, and therefore that should NOT be a matter for YOU to be
ashamed of. I am proud of my record and am happy with it, and if you are NOT
happy with what I have achieved so far, then that's your peoblem, not mine.
Moreover, I am confident that whatever I am doing with my education in Nepal right now and whatever I will be doing with my education in and out of Nepal for many years to come will provide you a life-long parallel career called "Ashu-watching."
I wish you well.
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| Harvard_Dropout |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 12:23 PM
MP:
I believe there are just seven or eight of us currently at Harvard University, that incluses all students/fellows at both the Cambridge/Allston Campus and Longwood Medical Area.
I, for one, do not know Ashu personally, as I was entering Harvard he was exiting this place. I have had a fun filled last four or five years at Harvard.
As a current student at Harvard and also as a Nepali, I feel as if I am placed in an awkward position to feel "shame" because of an accusaiton you have made against Ashu. Perhaps, these kinds of things and issues should be brought up outside this forum at a personal level, or at the court of law.
Most of us come to this forum to chill out and not read personal attacks on others. I guess no one comes here to feel shameful.
Like me, you also claim to be associated with Harvard, and therefore I think that we should rise above these personal issues and deal with more pressing issues, especially those that have to be confronted by over 24 million other Nepalis during this very difficult period of its history.
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| Zero_creativity |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 12:24 PM
My one question !!!!!
MP how do you know ?
If you dont have any proof, you shouldn't accuse anybody !! And Rape is a serious charge!!!!
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| MP |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 12:34 PM
For all,
I am pretty much aware of this issue how serioud it is. I am saying that he had made a plan, but he was not success. I was very much concern about that, if there had happended, I would be the first person who could demoralized him on the spot. God saved his life and career.
It's is all about the result of being Rude with me on this net. I am so upset with his reaction on my posting. How come, some one gets treated like that way. Does it suit anyone? So, I suggest him to be friendly at any time.
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| ashu |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 12:43 PM
"It's is all about the result of being Rude with me on this net."
Well, that's quite a strategy you have there.
You sense someone is being rude to you.
And you accuse them of raping someone or havig made plans to rape someone.
Just like that.
It's obvious that you have read that logic book from cover to cover.
Thanks for the recommendation.
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| paramendra |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 12:43 PM
MP:
This is curious-----------
(1) First the accusation was that Ashu raped someone. You seem to have some specific woman in mind. Good thing you did not name names, or SHE might have had a legal case against you.
(2) Then there was a veiled reference to have attempted it.
(3) Now it is that he made such plans.
(4) And finally you say: "It's is all about the result of being Rude with me on this net."
What you posted, and what he said in response, and how you felt about what he said is one thing, but basically what you are saying is because you did not like his response, you were going to do something that actually might be illegal: falsely accuse him of rape!
Perhaps you should be glad Ashu is not the litigous type, or your words are here, and your identity would not be anonymnous: technology would make it available.
My suggestion: participate, agree, disagree, have fun, or try to, like people, don't like people, but don't end up doing something illegal like falsely accusing someone of rape. That could spell serious trouble for you.
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| M.P. |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 12:51 PM
I, as the real MP--as in Misunderstood Poet, the editor of the Sinking Nepal, does not know the shit this "MP" is talking about. MP, if you are so angry with Ashu or anyone else for that matter, this is not the right place to show your paranoid accusations! Right, I am making a claim. But being here at Sajha for sometime now, I firmly believe this! Probably you have a wrong Ashu in mind. I am not supporting Ashu, the harvard graduate, for any personal reason. But I, and everyone else here, would appreciate if you could refrain from creating stories of your own and acting as if they were true! We want evidence-supported assertions here. Unless, of course, if they are meant for humor.
If I had to think twice before going to my own home for security reasons, I would rather commit suicide than doing so.
To everyone:
This MP is a different MP. Not M.P.
God help you, MP
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| MP |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 12:53 PM
Mr./Mrs. paramendra,
The line:
It's all about the result of being Rude with me on this net."
I was compelle to spell this out because of his unnecessry supermacy on my posting.
It is not strategy of changing the pace.
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| isolated freak |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 12:54 PM
hmmm?
wow!
neta syndrome??
No cure for this yet.
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| paramendra |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 12:54 PM
Ashu, the lightning rod!
(Some say that about Hillary..............)
The Great Polarizer!
The Center Around Which Sparks Fly!
;-)
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| ashu |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 12:56 PM
M.P.
The editor of Sinking Nepal.
Right from the beginning of this thread, given the kind of English that was being
used against me, I knew that you, M.P. the editor of Sinking Nepal, were NOT
involved in this, though the handle that sounded and read quite like yours might
have confused some.
Then again, you said it best: "paranoid accusations."
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| M.P. |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 12:59 PM
sorry for some grammar errors in my posting earlier. Going through MP's postings in this thread, I am really pissed off here!
On a side note,
Manipulated Practicener (MP--the fake),
may be a creative person [i doubt if "person" is the right word to describe you!] like you should come up with your own name...If you can create a rape-story just like that, why can't you get a name for yourself than confusing people here with the same ID as mine?
This is trivial anyway [as compared to other things going on in the discussion].
Pissed off with MP,
MP, the real.
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| paramendra |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 01:00 PM
MP:
"I was compelle to spell this out because of his unnecessry supermacy on my posting."
I am not discounting or disparaging or making light of your feeling. And I am not about to tell you how to feel. You may feel any which way. That is your personal thing. And there is no rule that says everyone has to like Ashu. A lot of people, frankly, don't.
As for this particular case, I read your original posting (I thought your Prachender piece was quite articulate, by the way) and Ashu's response. I don't know if you two know each other offline, and have a not so glorious mutual past of knowing each other, but that is not the point. But I was kind of surprised you took offense. Ashu was just being his sarcastic, smart-aleck self. I did not think he was trying to be personally mean to you. But then I thought that was my reaction. Maybe your reaction is differenct because your original post is of sentimental value to you. Maybe you have not been home in a while, you have not seen your parents in a while. And you felt like Ashu's response was too light in nature. Well, if that be the case, that makes him an insensitive bloke, not a rapist!
But my main point remains: don't end up doing anything illegal! Ashu - not even Ashu- is not worth it!
:-)
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| paramendra |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 01:01 PM
Mr./Mrs. paramendra--------
You remind me of my Argentinian penpal from my middle school days. She thought I was a girl. At least you are not so sure. That is good.
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| MP |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 01:03 PM
M.P.,
Thank you M dot P dot,
Thank you so much for your clarification that helps all to identify who is posting what and which regards.
I am just MP with out any dot-s. Please do not mess me up with M dot P dot and vice versa.
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| NK |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 01:03 PM
My God! I was rude too to someone just recently here in Sajhaland. Thank the "Jesus Lord" (it is all Montou Effect, forgive me O Lord!) I was not accused of raping somebody by someone who felt slighted!!!! You never know what happens when you ruffle a few feathers here and of course there.
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| paramendra |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 01:06 PM
Hello M dot P dot
Please send a bijulipatra
To the Lord
Quick
For NK's sake
Or she might also end up
The Accused
And she might Freak
Out
As well
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| real matrix |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 01:08 PM
Guys just chill out. I think the attacks are getting too personal. One thing will lead to another. Paramendra puts up a good arguement. Well we shouldn't just say something and not have anything to back up. Especially in a public forum, where all of us are here to chill out and share a few thoughts. Even Girja was sorry and regretting when he talked about Grand Design. Well I just hope we don't have to see these kind of accusations anymore especially in Sahja.com
Peace
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 01:11 PM
MP hajur...
I understand your anger!!! But it does not justify your slandering Ashu ji!!!!!!!!!!!
Gosh how can you do that to someone else's dignity? You have no right at all!!!!!!!
Ashu did not make a personal attack on you! He just wrote up his thoughts on "our" paranoia of travelling to KTM!
Goodness Gracious, this is appalling and unethical!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And you say, you are in HARVARD??????? oooooooooooooooooh! what else do they teach you there???? How to fight down and dirty????????
And now I am really impressed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| ashu |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 01:14 PM
Paramendra wrote:
"And there is no rule that says everyone has to like Ashu. A lot of people, frankly, don't."
Sure, people don't have to like me.
That's fine.
But how do YOU frankly know for sure that a lot of people don't like me? :-)
How big is your "a lot of people" number?
If Rolodex is any measure of one's so-called social capital, then, my Palm currently
holds 3254 names and addresses -- of folks I can do "business" with, through whom
I can get things done relatively easily in and out of Nepal . . .
Just as I would NOT judge you in full from your Web postings, you too would not
want to judge me or anyone else in full just by reading various Web postings :--)
The lesson I have learnt?
Expect PLEASANT surprises when you meet Web posters in person and
hang out with them.
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| MP |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 01:20 PM
Ashu,
For your knowledge, it is not a matter of like and dislike, but it is a matter of intension and your anger against to someone who holds so called "Green Card" (I personally do not care about the "Green Card, and Shrin Card"). What the hell you have to spell the word in reaction on my posting "Green Card" !!!!???? What do you mean by spelling out the word "Green Care"?
Sorry folks of being anger in this net in this morning.
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| SMR |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 01:22 PM
To all,
The faceless Internet within a general format of public forum gives people an opportunity to show their “stuff.” It comes with the territory, and there is nothing wrong with that. Thus a genuine question will be treated the same way as any other question. I can’t even count how many times people have been hammered for things they raise, both genuine and pretentious, in this public forum.
Now, let me give you my personal experience. Several months ago, I had planned to go to Kathmandu with my Amricanne Saathi. During the gatherings at my place he used to ask questions about the security situation to other Nepali friends, and the Nepali being a humble bunch used to clamor over each other to tell him how he could be perfectly safe in Kathmandu and so forth.
When I asked a similar question to my uncle, who is very close to me as a friend, over the phone he gave me a good dose of the following: “Dherai Americanne na palte ta. Khurukka Aija. Talai jiudai frakaune bhaag mero bho” My innocent question got twisted, and I was not very happy. Ultimately, I went and my friend decided to postpone his trip. A big human toll had taken place right around that time. After 3 weeks of my adventure in Nepal I was damn glad that I went; I had a blast with my uncle.
You never know whom you are going to get on the public forum: it could be one of those humble Nepali, my well meaning uncle, or someone waiting to show some smart-alecky remark. Ashu could well have been acting like my uncle. At the same time, MP may have been very genuine about his question expecting a response from people like my humble Nepali friend.
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| paramendra |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 01:25 PM
"Sure, people don't have to like me. That's fine. But how do YOU frankly know for sure that a lot of people don't like me? :-) How big is your "a lot of people" number? ...3254 names and addresses ....Expect PLEASANT surprises when you meet Web posters in person and hang out with them. ........"
Hare! Shiva Shiva!
Looks like just when I was done babysitting MP, now I have to babysit our Oohi Ashu.
Dearest Ashu, the only thing I was saying was that MP has the option to not like you, but he may not slander you. And to make myself extra clear, I made a reference to when I have seen people come after you at various web forums: Sajha, TND, soc.culture.nepal ..........Meaning, if MP chooses to not like you, as he has, he will not be alone: he should feel comfortable not liking you, but not so uncomfortable that he has to resort to slandering you.
The first time James Bond tried to "judhao" you and me, I remember saying: I respect the guy. He seems to be able to bring people together. I might not have guessed the number - 3245? - but I seemed to have had a pulse for what really ticks you.
And you and I have met ONCE! In person, that is.
So our "interaction" has primarily been web-based.
Nowhere earlier in the thread have I given any glimpse into how I feel about you. I expressed a slight amusement at your ability to draw criticism, but that is your style. Expressing oneself, rather than keeping quiet to get along. And all the glory to you.
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 01:26 PM
SMR...
Our voice of reason!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you!!!!!!!
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| ashu |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 01:39 PM
MP,
Look, you have EVERY right to be angry with me.
That's fine.
I have handled 1000s of attacks against me on the Net, and I can handle your
anger too -- even when it is directed anonymously and maliciously at me, even when
you are hurling personal attacks at me.
If you want to say, Ashu is a chor, gahda, fataha . . . go ahead, say it.
Hundreds of times, if you wish. I don't care.
After all, I WILLINGLY take my share of risks by posting my heartfelt comments in my own name here, and I cannot guarantee that everyone will interpret my postings the same way I intend them to be interpreted as, and . . . that's life.
But you have NO right - absolutely no right, you understand - to FALSELY accuse me or anyone else of rape just because you are angry with them for being rude to you.
This is where the issue takes and took a nasty turn. It's one thing to be angry with someone (justifiable); but it's completely something else to portray them - falsely - as rapist (unjustifiable).
If you have noticed, I have NOT called you names, nor have I attacked you back.
That's because that's not my style.
The reason I am engaging in this kura-kani is that I think there'a lesson for all of us
here.
And that is: You worry about safety on the streets of Kathmandu. I worry about safety of one's freedom to say VERIFIABLY TRUE things on the Net, even when we may not
like that truth.
Either way, that make both of us, concerned about safety issues.
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| ashu |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 01:42 PM
O-e Paramendra,
That was meant to be sent only to you via email.
But in my haste, I posted it here.
Sorry for causing you unnecessary tension.
Agree with you 100 per cent.
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| SMR |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 02:38 PM
"SMR...
Our voice of reason!!!!!!!!!! Thank you!!!!!!! "
Thanks SITARA.
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| MP |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 02:53 PM
Ashu,
You can not twist my saying to influence to the innocent readers in this sajha.com. Please read your "First" Posting in this thread. What do you want to say to the people who concern their safety while he/she wants to visit his/her parents back in Nepal?
Do you have to spell about the "Green Card"? Do you have to say that thousands of people are living in Kathmandu? I have mentioned one incident, which you do not even know, happened a few days ago in which incident a local leader of NC was killed by using a gun with silencer.
I suggest you to be friendly in this net in each and every posting. It is not a matter of like and dislike. It is matter of concern of someone's safety in Kathmandu. It is matter of traveling someone in Nepal to visit his/her parents. So, you can not twist any thing. Be sure, you are in a good or safe place.
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| bideshi |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 06:14 PM
I'm surprise that MP is accusing ashu for raping someone!Huh!RAPE?It's such a delicate matter!Is ashu capable of doing such thing?I have always admired ashu thro' his column though I've never seen him in person.If he has done that then OMYGOSH!He should be punished!jailed!But after reading the thread above,i don't think he committed that crime.Now I feel MP deserves the rude behaviour!How can someone blame someone in such delicate matter just because he is being rude and is not giving proper reply!Oh MP what a shame!
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| wy |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 06:34 PM
Wow!!!
I just checked in and saw the thread that seemed to have gotten out of hand so quickly:
1. " A" asks a security question.
2. "B" can't help it and gives a smart remark
3. "A" loses his cool and calls him a rapist with an Undergraduate degree
4. "B" pulls out his palm pilot and gives the list of his connectivity
Wow!! A lot of chest thumping!!!
If these two Hradvard Undergrads lose so quickly to behave like this, what do you expect from a couple of old Banarasi educated Saatsale politicians. No wonder nepal is in such a deep s***.
I am sorry, I lost my cool here and I don't intend to offend anyone. I just got back from a conference that highlighted the influence of Indian professional in the US: in engineering, medicine, and scientific labs. It is astounding. And here I come to our chatline and have a totally different experience.
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| krishna |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 06:39 PM
Okay!!! quick thoughts....
Please do remember that this is my thought....nothing else and nothing else.....
I read this thread very carefully and all the responses from various Sajha intellects. MP was just asking a simple question, whether he was safe to visit his parents in KTM?? I am sure he is going to do that whether there is threat by the maoists or not. But still knowing the views of people who have visited Nepal might give him some idea of the situation and how careful he needs to be walking in the streets, I have heard there is some potentia danger. After all a reasonable person would always be careful and whats wrong with asking questions about the situation??
Ashu, I have to say you responded very rudely. Having read most of your postings and having admired you for such a long time in Sajha, you were rude bro and you have to admit that, courtesy of your postings. If MP wants to be careful, let him be careful. I would have expected you to suggest him well like I have seen you doing that for a long time, providing valuable suggestions to respected sajhaites. And I am sure people have taken enough knowledge from your constructive suggestions. This does force to question myself, whether you had beforehand personal issues with MP. And this created negative response from MP. But the response was too much negative and I am very sad that he did that and accused you of such a thing. I am with you on this if you have to go on court to prove your case, which is ofcourse very shameful to have to go through the situation if it happens.
I have seen your postings, twisting and turning and trying to blow out the orginial responses from you. Please donot do that and stick to the gun.
I agree with the postings above by various sajhaites that personal issues are not dealt in public forum and should not be too.
I request everyone to see the sights. Ashu has been accused, but maybe, maybe, maybe, it was him who developed it????
No hard feelings please. If I am wrong, I am wrong. I admit. And I will walk away. Nothing personal to noone. Just my thoughts.
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| MP |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 06:44 PM
Mr./Mrs. bideshi,
If you know him pesonally, you will hate him withing 3 months(but in Nepal, I do not know because living place does give a huge difference. He had to suffer in Boston financially too so he had too much stress). It is a good answer for you. So, I can digest his Rude connotations. I gave you guys to know honestly who the "Guy" was, if you wanted more, get him as a close friend at any time. If you are just a reader of his posting and "bull shit" arguements, you are okay with him. I suggest you to get him to know closely and you will find what he is actually indeed. I am so upset with his input in my posting. I never prised him in this site in his postings that may be the cause he reacted that way.
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| ??! |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 06:52 PM
Tal na betal ko egotist jhagada...
MP, since your parents and relatives are there in KTM, what else do you expect to explain by others? It is not an airline ticket which your friends might know some cheaper deals. You could have asked your own parents in a phone call, how safe you will be in Kathmandu when you visit them. Plenty of example; some parents like yours asked their son/daughters not to visit them for Dashain in the villages.
Ashu was rude.. that's fine.. He is always critic for good or for bad.. I have hardly seen him agree 100% to any posting in the last two years.. Why do you care?
Moists see America and other world with different perspectives. Ashu only says that if someone moves around a village with big talk about one's deep affiliation with America, then one will get in problem if some moists happen to observe that. Why do one needs to feel inferior when someone spells green card?
Anyway, MP you got what you deserved.... in place of your own posting "ashu got what he deserved".
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| paramendra |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 07:24 PM
Ashu.
:-)
Peace.
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| paramendra |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 07:29 PM
I went back and reread Ashu's original posting. I don't see how that can be perceived as "rude." It is frank, and elaborate, and to the point. And looks at one issue from about seven and one more angle, but I don't see it as rude.
And it is not fair that people dig up personal stuff on him. Oh, well, thanks for the news. So he had financial problems in Boston? He must have been a student. Was he? Curious.
Just because the guy is using his real name should not work against him. He should not be subjected to personal attacks by people hiding behind assumed names.
Let's keep to discussing ideas like, well, so is Kathmandu safe!
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| paramendra |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 07:30 PM
Nothing like a controversy to turn a thread platinum!
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| paramendra |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 07:31 PM
Ashu, the next time I am in Kathmandu, maybe you will take me around and introduce me to your crowd .......... :-)
3254!
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| MP |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 07:42 PM
paramendra,
I am just Curious !!!
Forgive me for making copy of your numbers !!!!!!!!! I do not know the meaning of this set of numbers. If there is any meaning of this set of numbers for a special information, please share it with us...........:-)
3254!
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| Thakkar Sharma |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 07:46 PM
What kind of suggestions.......................? Just curious.
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| krishna |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 07:52 PM
Paramendra Bhagat....dont try to act smart..we know how capable you are of making stupid comments.....
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| paketmaar |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 08:09 PM
MP's Message and the 'real' translation!
I am pretty much aware of this issue how serioud it is.
(the 's' on the keyboard fell off the second time... as in 'smoking is injurioud to your health!)
I am saying that he had made a plan, but he was not success.
(ful... fool... phool! )
I was very much concern about that, if there had happended, I would be the first person who could demoralized him on the spot.
(How about adding a sin CIA operative handbook ... the word is 'neutralize'... or maybe neutralized in your case!)
God saved his life and career.
(what has God got to do with this? like Tina used to say...
but anyways... so when did Mr or Mrs or Miss or Master God come back to Earth and decided or did finally save his life and career... what r u ? a freaking Jyotishi Baba!
It's is all about the result of being Rude with me on this net.
(is it the same with that teenie on a fish net?)
I am so upset with his reaction on my posting.
(where did you get posted? Rolpa/Rukum?)
How come, some one gets treated like that way.
(which way... my way or the highway?)
Does it suit anyone?
(No but Uncle Benny did ask me to bring a sports jacket and a tie when I visit him in Vegas!)
So, I suggest him to be friendly at any time.
(How about midnight... will that be the right time!)
p.s. don't take this seriouDly... just having some fun... got to go... cuwhenicu!
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| ashu |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 08:33 PM
Hi guys,
Thank you all for your support.
Calmly speaking, the issues here are these:
[If MP et al have personal issues with me, tjhey can send me emails at: ashutosh_tiwari@yahoo.com]
That said:
Even if one is being rude, that does not mean that one deserves to be portrayed
as a rapist or as a potential rapist.
Planning a rape?
Yeah, right?
Unless MP has access to pre-cog reports (a la the movie Minority Report) how can
s/he even know that someone was/is planning to rape someone? I mean, this
"pre-crime" acusation is just pure FICTION, pure garbage, a khattam attempt
to put me on the defensive re: things I did NOT make plans for.
And for the sake of argument, rapists do NOT exactly broadcast their plans to
all and sundry, do they?
So what are we left with?
MP is pissed off that my original answer was too STRONG for him or her to handle. And s/he tries to get even in the WORST possible way, through these various attempts to defame me by hurling one charge after one another.
Let MP rant and rave, jump up and down, make faces and hurl abuses behind the anonymity that the Net provides.
Finally, this MP guy appears to be NO bona fide Harvard student -- I suspect s/he to be a cousin of one of my bitter enemies. And that's life.
**********
On a larger note:
Over the past few years, because I once strongy disagreed with the then president of the GBNC, some people -- two in particular -- in Boston have dedicated their lives to make my life miserable by spreading rumors about me, telling lies about me, trying to negatively influence newcomers against me by saying what a khattam person I am
and so on and on.
I think it's really flattering that I can be an object of such obsession to some people.
But the sad thing is that DESPITE their dedication to the defamation task, they have NOT been able to make my life miserable, and they bitterly resent my presence on the Net. They know that they can NEVER attack me directly and openly in public for they fear that I will totally crush them, which I will.
Hence, they are reduced -- on occasions -- to either encouraging or playing this sort of Micky Mouse game, which has now escalated to the level of hurling "rape charges" against me . . . ANONYMOUSLY, of course.
These folks are desperate to hit me with anything.
And I pity them.
But their FALSEHOOD is not going to disturb me in any way nor it is going to drag me down in any way. I wish them well.
Oh, MP, by the way, to put it politely, Kathmandu is pretty safe for you to visit.
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| krishna |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 09:03 PM
I would only expect how would all the Sajha intellects respond to your rude reply on MP's original posting, had MP not written about what he calls a "Grand Design". Provided ofcourse the intellects are UNBIASED........
and o ya..put an exception to Paramendra Bhagat.......
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| MP |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 09:27 PM
Ashu,
I do not need to introduce myself to you. The posting has given you my introdution. Your Rude connotation made me so disturbed this Saturday in US.
For your information, I am not that person who is in your mind. I do not want him(them) to involve in this particular case. I is me and you, not others. You are better off to stop reacting that way.
Thanks for supporting me and pointing out the Rude connotation by so call "Ashu" regarding my humbleness or humble request. Ashu, how can you say all those lines to someone? Don't you have a heart? Jesus !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| jame bonds |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 09:38 PM
MP,
There was nothing wrong with your asking the question you asked.
I don't think there's anything wrong with the way Ashu wrote about what he felt. He might have felt a little emotional but he was just writing what he felt about it.
But, you went on to accuse him of planning to Rape someone, which was totally uncalled for, and it reveals your nature to everyone. Your are a COWARD. Just because you thought Ashu was being rude to you, you accuse him of planning to rape someone??
If you want to stand by your accusation, you better come out and identify yourself to provide some validity to your words. Otherwise, you're nothing but a big loser and a big coward, using the anonymity of the web to settle your personal scores.
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| MP |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 09:44 PM
James bond,
What do you want to know. Are you the same James Bond who plays in the movies and TV serials?
What do you want to say me? You have no right to say me that I have just accused him. I am giving you all the details, just go to read all my posting. Do not come with premature ideas and writings in this conflect. It is your interruption and dirty attempts. So, you are better off to shut off your dirty mouth. Okay........
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| Junu |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 09:46 PM
I totally agree Jame Bones. "If you want to stand by your accusation, you better come out and identify yourself to provide some validity to your words. Otherwise, you're nothing but a big loser and a big coward, using the anonymity of the web to settle your personal scores" San must know this dude mp.
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| jame bonds |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 09:51 PM
Your details don't mean anything as long as you are hiding in an anonymous name. If you are not a coward, and you are not lying about your accusations, why don't you come out in your real name and give us the real details. Until you do that, your accusations don't mean a thing and all it does is show you that you're a loser.
I appreciate good discussions and poking fun here and there, but I don't appreciate someone like you who resort to dirty name calling using an anonymous name.
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| MP |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 09:57 PM
james bonds,
who are you? tell me your real name and address, I will be dealing with you. Okay, you are the next person who deserve for being Rude and immoral.
What is your real name? What do you want to know. Why are you defending him? Are you the same person who tried to help him at that time while he was under way to invite the woman in a dangerious place where he could do whatever he wanted? What do you know about? What do you want to know more?
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| nuts |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 10:05 PM
...and I really thought this MP dude/ess is going to Harvard! I wonder how stupid the admissions office there could have been to like his essay.
Chill!
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| jame bonds |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 10:06 PM
MP, you are the one who is using an anonymous name to throw mud at Ashu who everyone knows as a real person.
If you want anything you say to be taken seriously, you better show us that you're a real person with a real name - who is not full of shit as you seem to be right now using an anonymous name.
Again, it's not about me so don't change the subject about my identity. It's about you accusing some real person so don't act like a coward, and come out and tell us everything if there's any truth to your statement. If you can't come out don't waste anybody's time here.
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| batauli |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 10:11 PM
damn.. just wasted 15 minutes for this...
maybe the webmaster should have a section on "anger management" or "JEN and the art of Replying in the Net.. "
batauli
khasyauli paari
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| nuts |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 10:20 PM
did you mean batyauli ?
:-)
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| Thakkar Sharma |
Posted
on 02-Nov-02 10:48 PM
Batauli don't break your computer in anger. Better don't spend time on such a stupid comments..................
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| Satya |
Posted
on 03-Nov-02 01:42 AM
MPji,
Agreed that Ashu was not as polite with his reply as you would like. But how do you know his “Grand Design” that you yourself contradict? You have written
‘..You deserve for a "Grand Design" for raping a divorced woman in Boston. Fortunately, she was okay and she denied your offer…’
She denied his offer and you accuse him trying to rape?. That means in your own words Ashu was not trying to rape her rather he was trying to have sexual intercourse with her. (Wheter it is true or not is another issue.) If she is not a minor, and of course she is not, and there is no forceful attempt for sexual intercourse then why the term “rape”? Does a rapist need the victim’s consent?
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| ashu |
Posted
on 03-Nov-02 06:30 AM
Satya-ji,
I sense that this MP guy is trying to play a dangerous game of "sexual politics" with me by using all these cooked-up charges against me. I have a damn good memory, and NOTHING of the sot has ever happened to me in and out of Boston.
And all that because the guy could not handle the truth about how safe Kathmandu is.
I try to defend the truth on sajha, and NOT lies, lies and lies like this.
Should I also say something like MP tried to rape a minor on Putam Street on October 31, 1997 at 6:30 pm?
I mean, one can hurl that sort of FALSE accusation against anyone . . . and try to destroy/break that person FOR NO REASON other than pure hatred, especially when the target of attack is a known, identifiable person.
I can handle MP's anger and even hatred.
Having nothing to hide and nothing to fear, I challenge this MP character to FIRST identify who s/he is and produce VERIFIABLY TRUE info related to all this so-called
"rape thing".
If not, then the person should shut the hell up.
Obviously, my usual enemies are resorting to extreme tractics to defame me.
Yes, I have every reason to be angry. I am what I am, on and off the Web, and I WILL withstand this sort of utter, sickening garbage anyday anytime anywhere . . . as they say in Nepal, na.bi.rau.nu na.da.rau.nu.
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| SMR |
Posted
on 03-Nov-02 10:38 AM
The open public Internet forum is like a concert "Mosh Pit" where you don't go in with your $800 Gucci shoes, and expect people not to step on you. It comes with the territory.
Expect good advice, bad advice, and some sneering as well. Take what you like and dump the ones that you don't care much about, and always refrain from making personal attacks, especially those that border on the legal lines.
That said, no matter how rude and smart-alecky Ashu' s remark may have been, it is not right to hurl unfounded accusations, especially as serious as a rape. It may well have been a scenario where he was confiding in his friend about a "date" he was planning to have with a pretty lady expecting to have a romantic time ("getting lucky"). A romantic gateway, or a nice dinner party, a movie ... and the lady declined and it never happened... So, big deal!
If it is more than that where Ashu was actually planning to mix something in the drink to sedate her for a forceful physical relationship, then that is a different issue. Still, it is a heresay from the point of view of the Sajhabasis, and one should be very careful before lobbing it our there. Ashu is not running for an office for that matter to have been brought up. Even then, there has to be a proof. We do have a memory of Anita Hill and Clearance Thomas saga!
Yes, I myself was a bit annoyed when I read Ashu's reply the first time when MP asked the question. Because, I could not figure out whether he was acting like my well meaning uncle or a smart-aleck. Either way, a rape charge is a serious matter.
I think people have a pretty good idea what Ashu is all about and they have learned to deal with him accordingly. We all have certain biases and we bring them out in a certain way. Ashu has his own way. But, that is why this open Mosh Pit is so fun place to chill out and watch people reveal their personality, character, anger, and dream. It also gives a sense of "connectivity" (sorry wy, I borrowed it) for Nepalis who are residing in two different worlds.
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| aeiou |
Posted
on 03-Nov-02 11:18 AM
so many layers to each person--such a fast shift from 'is nepal safe' to 'i know everything about you and will destroy you.'
i suppose s/he is revealing her/himself, or a side...too bad it's such an ugly side
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| M.P. |
Posted
on 03-Nov-02 01:12 PM
My humble suggestion to all those who are jealous of "Harvard graduates" or anybody who is articulate enough to gather a mass around him/her: Lock yourself in the bathroom and scream until your ribs rattle. That might help you overcome with your inferiority complex. Or if this does not satisfy you, write fiction. Write all the stories you have in mind about people you do not like or people who stand out from the group.
Kunti Moktan Sings:
"Tila jatro kuraa laai pahaad jatro banaau
Jhut ko kheti sapryo bhane dipawali manaau..
Kati kaatchhou kuraa haru ajhai kaatdai gara
Ma ta hidchhu merai baato
KHUTTA TAANDAI GARA"
Other lines worth remembering:
"Kaade taarko baar laaye ni mero yaatraa rokinna
Hatkelaa le surya laai kaile pani chhekdaina...."
A little pissed off with people wanting cheap popularity,
Misunderstood Poet, the real MP.
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| gbncorg |
Posted
on 03-Nov-02 02:12 PM
What to get being Jealousy for anything...........Harvard Graduate !!!!!!???????ooops !!!!! No jobs for them, if you are "Bidesi". Need to go to "Shodesh" to earn "Weak Currency", if you are not in Professional School, like MBA, Engineering, Natural Sciences, Nursing, Medical and some other (I forgot), but not for Economics, Public Policy, Political Science, Psycology and many many............ so, Mr./Mrs. M.P., you just do "Puja" who has a diploma from Harvard. Do you know what Harvard is all about? Do reseach, okay......MIT is the top one in Engineering, Economics and someother fields, not the Harvard. I'm just giving you who lives in the poorest county which is far from those reputed education institutions......alright, buddy, got to go back to work from Lunch..see you around.
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| M.P. |
Posted
on 03-Nov-02 02:43 PM
Thulo Boston Nepali Samuha Sangathan,
I am not claiming Harvard is good. And do not misunderstand me, I am not doing anybody's "Puja" here. Refer to my thread on the Sinking Nepal [Paramendra Bhagat appointed Interim PM] if you still think I am a Harvard-graduate-bhakta. I am aware of the grade inflation and so on. Harvard may or may not be the best school for any subject here. That is not the concern here. The issue here is *some* people here seem to be going after other people just because the latter went to Harvard. I do not know how many MIT, Standford, or Princeton are here at Sajha. I see no reason why we should go after Ashu or anyone else just because they are proud of the institution they attended [ proud to the extent that they mention the name of their institution in almost every thread]. Let's let them be proud of who they are.
Amen.
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| wy |
Posted
on 03-Nov-02 03:19 PM
Ironically, what counts in Nepal is the big name cache even if you were the bottom feeders. Not that I am implying that Ashu or anyone else is!
Peace!
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| krishna |
Posted
on 03-Nov-02 09:25 PM
MP asked a nice question which I would have also asked in this public forum for valuable inputs had I been travelling to visit my parents in Kathmandu. You know its always nice to know the views of others who have already gone there. And its a public forum for nice areas of constructive suggestions, creatings threads, joke, laugh and fun. So I believe everyone will agree that there is nothing called "this question is insane and thus shouldn't be responded", for egs. MP's questions. I have seen various discussions taking place, I have seen confrontation too but in a nice manner. But when it reaches to personal issues then its way insane.
The response of Ashu, I dont know about others, but I would have been mad too. Having read much of Ashu's postings and wise and reasonable responses from the man himself, that would have definitely hurt me, for I would have never expected him to respond to my queries like that. Before Ashu replied, there were couple of other friends who responded very well to MPs suggestions. So why does Ashu have to do that??? Frankly Ashu, did you had personal issues with MP beforehand???
There is vast difference between saying, "I hate these type of worries, it is so insane, there are millions of people and ....." then saying, "You dont have to worry, you can go and visit Nepal, its safe and ....." Now you maybe a type of person with such type of emotions but its no way of responding in the public bulletin, no not with your standards. But I know you can do that too as you did.
MP went far ahead to accuse you of such things hiding behind his pseudo name and I agree to that he shouldn't have done, no, not atleast in this public forum. If you want to take actions go ahead do that. I am with you on that and there are lots of sajhaites with you too.
MP, you cannot accuse him like that. This is way insane and you went far beyond expectations. Maybe he tried to do that, you may know it, but not in this public forum and you did a mistake to which you have to accept and maybe bear charges if Ashu decides to go to court, provided you give the judges enough evidences to prove that Ashu was involved to what you call a "Grand Design".
Krishna!!
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