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| Tibetan |
Posted
on 07-Nov-02 08:18 PM
First of all i want to thank Nepals gov for letting us stay in their country. I am very grateful that, Nepal despite chinas pressure it allows thousands of Tibetan people to nepal and later ofcourse most of them to India.
DO YOU GUYS THINK TIBET WILL BE EVER FREE?? WHY OR WHY NOT? DO YOU THINK OUR DEMOCRATIC GOV WILL SURVIVE OR NOT? AND LASTLY DO YOU PEOPLE THINK THAT TIBETAN AND NEPALI ARE GETING ALONG NICELY OR NOT? HERE AND ABROAD!
Regards,
Tibets Pride
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| SIWALIK |
Posted
on 07-Nov-02 08:38 PM
Will Tibet ever be free? Based on the realpolitik nature of international relations in Asia followeed by both the regional giants, it seems unlike for Tibet to be a sovereign country. It might attain autonomous status. It would be great if it could be free though. One can always wish.
I think democracy will definitely return to Nepal. Those who try to swim against the tide or current will be swept away.
I think Tibetan and Nepalese are getting along just fine. Have there been any conplaints or animosity from the Nepalese that you know of? I hope the friendship will deeper. Despite China's pressure, which is pretty hard for tiny dependent country like Nepal, Nepal has done a good job of helping Tibetans. I hope that will continue no matter what China says.
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| czar |
Posted
on 07-Nov-02 09:32 PM
I am curious as what sparked your question on the state of relations between the Tibetian and Nepali communities ?
Your writing contains a postive tone, and I wonder if some unexpressed thoughts that you have in mind ? I do NOT imply that your motives are negative.
Perhaps we can go beyond the limiations of thinking in terms of 'Nepali' and 'Tibetian'. The peoples on both sides of the Himalayas are integral as the snows on the mountains. Proximity is not all that unites the people of that area rather its the the historical, religious and cultural factors.
As for the question of Tibetian independence, may I ask just what it is that contitutes a country ? Does it need to be inscribed on a map ?
Why can it not be that ..
Tibet is ...where compassion is the basic guiding principle that governs all actions and thoughts.
Tibet is.. a state of mind and exists in every heart that seeks peace and harmony, and no power on earth can suppress these thoughts.
Tibet is ..you, me and every one around us.
In peace and joy !
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| Poonte |
Posted
on 08-Nov-02 09:38 AM
I am with SIWALIK.
Without any strategic advantages, and without any significant natural resources that the powerful countries of the West can exploit from a free Tibet, the notion of independent Tibet will remain a far-fetched dream for a foreseeable future. Rough-at-times, and yet a strong relationship between the US and China because of highly profitable trade between the two also hurts the Tibetan cause.
It is unfortunate, but true, that the global politcal economy plays a key role in where and how the global maps are drawn even in these modern times.
Czar...very sentimental thoughts! However, I wonder how far they can go to satisfy the REAL aspirations of the people who have been brutally suppressed, their culture being wiped out, and are being forced to go into exile unabatedly.
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| sally |
Posted
on 08-Nov-02 01:03 PM
Will democracy return to Nepal? Yes, absolutely. People have an innate desire to have their voices heard, and everywhere in the world we see that--while democracies have a very difficult time getting established--countries do inevitably take that route because of pressure from the people. So yes, there will be democracy. And yes, there will be peace. The question is how many years of pain and bloodshed Nepal will suffer before both of those things happen.
As for Tibetan autonomy, I'd vote "maybe, but not in our lifetime." As long as the Tibetan people maintain a sense of their ethnic identity, I do think it has a good chance of happening--in the very, very long run. Witness the breakaway Soviet republics. However, China would have to become freer first, and allow an East Timor kind of vote. The key, I think, is the Tibetan people themselves and their own long-term ability to keep the dream alive.
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| czar |
Posted
on 08-Nov-02 02:16 PM
Yea, sappy thoughts almost. Sure.
Reality : unless China falls apart, Tibet as an independent country is not possible. Even then, such entities aren't geared to let go of domains that they influence. The experience of Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia illustrates this. The extreme of this is the Russia - Chechnya mess.
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| czar |
Posted
on 08-Nov-02 02:39 PM
A further issue is demographics: the majority population of Tibet is Han Chinese. Due massive migration, the orginal native population is now a minority.
In the event of China acquiescing to the formation of an independent entity on its western flank, it is likely the majority population will revolt. Given that Tibet's freedom can only come after a period of turmoil in China, that the local Han population will go along with any plans made in Beijing to cut them off are questionable at best.
In short "fuhgeddaboudid"
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| sally |
Posted
on 08-Nov-02 03:44 PM
All valid points, but I still wouldn't say "fuhgeddaboudid" cuz forever is a very long time. I'd never underestimate the power of perceived nationhood, or the power of time to change things. Whodathunk the Wall would fall???
Of course, I wouldn't exactly recommend that anyone put their savings into Tibetan Government Bonds--not even to stash away for the grandkids!
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| czar |
Posted
on 08-Nov-02 05:16 PM
Sally, you hesitate to put your money where your mouth is... :)
I'm with you about the surprising twists n turn of time and history.
Nostradamus..got email ?
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