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| Nepali Kanchi |
Posted
on 10-Nov-02 03:20 AM
IS the last name Vaidhya Newari, or Bahun or both? I used to know a Newari with that last name, but recently met someone who was a Bahun. Is that possible? I'm sure it is , like the last name Joshi is both Bahun and Newar, not sure about Vaidhya, anyone knows?
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 10-Nov-02 03:51 AM
Don't worry this is not the one that makes confusion to those who look for jaat paat.
There are some more:
1. Joshi - newar and bahun
2. jha - pahadiya bahun and tarai-bashi-(bahun?)
3. Lamichhane - gurung and bahun
4. marahatta - bahun and newar
5. Vaidya -as you said
6. Kayastha -chhetri and newar plus taraibashis
7. singh - Ganesh Man Singh ta thaha nai chha. Bajhang ma singai singh chhan.
8. ...
9. Tiwari -- tarai vs pahadi
10.
remember when there is a bahun thar there will be same chhetri thar. When
a bahun marriage a chhetri or gurung or magar or ... newar, their kids become khatri.
When these khatri marriage another chhetri, then, they all become chhetri.
Rest you tell us.
HG
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| ashu |
Posted
on 10-Nov-02 04:21 AM
Hi Nepali Kanchi,
Prakash A. Raj -- a noted Nepali travel writer -- is an authority on this sort of matters.
He has even written a short book called "Brahmins of Nepal", in which he explains which bahun of which last-name "originated" from where in the modern Nepal.
If you send me an email, I can pass off Prakash Dai's address to you, and you can
ask the question to him.
5 of my friends are surnamed Vaidyas, and they are all [Hindu] Newars.
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| bhedo |
Posted
on 10-Nov-02 08:16 AM
NepaliKanchi, Vaidhyas CANNOT be bahuns, however, there can be bahuns whose profession is that of a Vaidhya. If you meet someone whose lastname is Vaidhya, and he says he is Bahun, then surely, he's not telling the truth.
And Jhas are not pahadias. Sure, there are Madhesi Jhas who have settled in the Pahad area, and live like pahadias, but in no way are they pahadias.
Also, please note that it's usually the Paschimes( or Kumais if you prefer) who have Indianish last names. Purbes (or Upadhyays) mostly have indigenous last names, but some of them can have Indian-sounding last names. Easy way to differentiate a Purbey from a Paschime: Paschimes have last names like Pandey, Pathak, Tiwari, Kandel, etc, etc, all Indian sounding. 90%+ of Paschime surnames can also be found among the Madhesis. I am sure of it.
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| Biruwa |
Posted
on 10-Nov-02 12:16 PM
Hundreds of year ago people of different castes and races came to nepal khaldo. As time passed there were some interracial marriages and their cultures began to assimilate.
A king ruling Nepal Khaldo at that time ruled that all those living within the present day Kathmandu will be a newar including the people who were not natives.
Thus even today we find a few among newars who looks like pukka bahun or bhote. It is said that some of the high caste newars have the gene pool which is much similar to the bahuns than the native newars.
Biruwa, the Plant
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| lonely |
Posted
on 10-Nov-02 12:36 PM
why are you so concerned about a bahunor a newar vaidya, are there any strong reasons for you to search? Ghar jam ko lagi ta haina hola ni, ki kaso?
As far as I know, during the time of Lichhivis, the caste was given according to your profession. That is if your a warrier, you wuld be a chhetri, nit necessarily born in a chhetri family, and so on with other castes. But later, these so called clever high caste people, modified in their favour. Like if you were a son of a sudra, you were also a sudra,rulling out their changes to compete in their profession and so called social status(becuase I don't beleive in this)
But Nepali kanchhi le kina sodheko hola aak dam janna man lagyo, bhanna milchha ta kanchhi?
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| gbncorg |
Posted
on 10-Nov-02 02:06 PM
Community-wells, an example of social discrimination
Post Report
KAILALI, Nov 9:Take a walk along the plains of the Aolani village in Godavari of Kailali district, you can come across 16 beautiful wells. But these wells are not a beauty of the nature from which one can drink sweet natural water, for each of these wells can only be used by a specific community living in the village.
Specific communities own these wells in the village and use of such a well by anybody else can get the whole community enraged, said a villager.
The renovation of these 16 wells that are demarcated on the basis of caste is going on. There are separate wells of Dalit community.
There are sub-groups and castes under the Dalit community like Bika, Sharki, Badi and Damai and each of the sub-groups has its own separate well. Members of any other group cannot use the wells meant for other as they believe it would make the water impure.
Social organisations of the district like the Regional Dalit Network that are working to end the discrimination based on caste have failed to end such practice. Their programmes are being ineffective to control such discriminatory actions, it is learnt.
The Godavari Village Development Committee (VDC) is also compelled to support such practice to avoid social conflict. Likewise, Mahayan VDC has donated a sum of Rs 30,000 with which renovations of similar 36 wells are taking place in the village.
Strangely, most of the wells are being renovated by the Dalits and each community says that their well will be purified after several religious rituals. After the so-called purification, the Dalits are not allowed to touch them.
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| gbncorg |
Posted
on 10-Nov-02 02:09 PM
Here is the source of the report:
http://www.nepalnews.com.np/contents/englishdaily/ktmpost/2002/nov/nov10/local.htm#11
Community-wells, an example of social discrimination
Post Report
KAILALI, Nov 9:Take a walk along the plains of the Aolani village in Godavari of Kailali district, you can come across 16 beautiful wells. But these wells are not a beauty of the nature from which one can drink sweet natural water, for each of these wells can only be used by a specific community living in the village.
Specific communities own these wells in the village and use of such a well by anybody else can get the whole community enraged, said a villager.
The renovation of these 16 wells that are demarcated on the basis of caste is going on. There are separate wells of Dalit community.
There are sub-groups and castes under the Dalit community like Bika, Sharki, Badi and Damai and each of the sub-groups has its own separate well. Members of any other group cannot use the wells meant for other as they believe it would make the water impure.
Social organisations of the district like the Regional Dalit Network that are working to end the discrimination based on caste have failed to end such practice. Their programmes are being ineffective to control such discriminatory actions, it is learnt.
The Godavari Village Development Committee (VDC) is also compelled to support such practice to avoid social conflict. Likewise, Mahayan VDC has donated a sum of Rs 30,000 with which renovations of similar 36 wells are taking place in the village.
Strangely, most of the wells are being renovated by the Dalits and each community says that their well will be purified after several religious rituals. After the so-called purification, the Dalits are not allowed to touch them.
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| vision |
Posted
on 10-Nov-02 02:13 PM
Bahun, Newari, chettri ....who cares? Aren't we all human beings?
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| lonely |
Posted
on 10-Nov-02 02:28 PM
do we really not care?
What will you think when someone from your family marries from a different caste or ethinicity? Will all your family members and realtives say, i don't care..ke kaso?
I am not saying I care, but that is what the situation is in Nepal.....I think hai..ki kaso?
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| SIWALIK |
Posted
on 11-Nov-02 11:03 AM
Okay, that is a very interesting "reality" based news. It shows how hard it will be to bring change without a mjor social revolution. One thing of curiosity to me is this: Do these 16 wells have separate water source underground, or are these wells sharing the water from the same underground water source? Could that be used as an educational tool to show how frivolous their stance and practices are? Maybe we could get them thinking that the overall source of water is the same, even if they use different wells at different points to tap into it?
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| Nepali Kanchi |
Posted
on 11-Nov-02 03:13 PM
Hi all,
Thanks for the all the input.
Hahooguru, Lamichanne's are like you said , bahuns, gurungs, also chretti , magar, and a bunch of " in between castes" . Near Gorkha, there is a Lamichanne village with several dozens of families all sharing the same last name, but ehtnically diverse.
Ashu, thanks for the info.I would definately like to ask an expert about this, more so I can add some other questions that I always wanted to know about. How should I go about the email?
Lonely, if your curiosity is as such, well here it is: I recently met a guy with the last name Vaidhya. Anyways, when I told him I ws bahun, he didnt beleive me on the grounds that I dont have a "chukhyo naak" and I seem "not lobhi ". I told him looks can be dececving etc, then later he tells me he is bahun as well. No, it was not a pick up line, would be pretty lame if it was! He looked Newar to me, however I had already used the line "looks can be deececiving", and could not go about addressing the issue that way. Thats when I came to Sajha...!
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| bhedo |
Posted
on 11-Nov-02 04:05 PM
What exactly is "chuccho naak"? Is "chuccho naak" supposed to be thin and pointed? Coz if that's the case then I don't have "chuccho naak". Only my mom fits that description. But I definetly have "laamo naak"....
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| Thakkar Sharma |
Posted
on 11-Nov-02 04:15 PM
Why we care about Jat.... why should we worry about Whether Vaidhya is bahun or Newar. If we have to do anything with him/her let's see her/his personality not the cast that is also in USA.....
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| Nepali Kanchi |
Posted
on 11-Nov-02 04:16 PM
Bhedo,
I beleive "chukko naak" is long and poited ?!
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| Nepali Kanchi |
Posted
on 11-Nov-02 04:21 PM
Thakkar Sharma ji,
I dont understand this comment "If we have to do anything with him/her let's see her/his personality not the cast that is also in USA" .
As for the jat factor, whats wrong with with asking questions about it?
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| bhedo |
Posted
on 11-Nov-02 04:40 PM
Well, I definitely know what my nose is. To those who don't know what kind of nose he/she has, just do this.
1. Get a ruler
2. Measure your nasal width, i.e. from one nasal wing to the other.
3. Measure your nasal height. Nasal height would be measured from the nasal septum( it divides your nostrils into two) to the part of the nose that joins the forehead.
4. Nasal Index = ((Nasal Width)/(Nasal Height))*100
As for the values you get:
Leptorrhine = less than 70
Mesorrhine = between 70-85
Platyrrhine = greater than 85
If you have leptorrhine nose, it means you have long nose. Mesorrhine nose is found among East Asians, so it's in-between. Platyrrhine nose is found among Africans and in many tribals of India.
As for my nose:
Nasal Width = 3.5
Nasal Height =5.4
Nasal Index =(3.5/5.6) *100 which comes out to be 62.5! So, definitely leptorrhine.
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| Nepali Kanchi |
Posted
on 11-Nov-02 04:52 PM
hahaha....very funny!!!
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| lonely |
Posted
on 11-Nov-02 04:57 PM
Bhedoji
What do we do if our nose is type 1 or 2 or 3 ? what significance will it bring? Aani what does it got to do with other things?
Why is this being related to caste bahun or Newar?
I you want to know if that person is a newar, go and measure the nose??
Does it prove that particluar Vaidya is a NEwar because he has a small nose? Or Bahun because of a long nose.
Enlighten me on this matter please...
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| bhedo |
Posted
on 11-Nov-02 05:18 PM
Well, after measuring your nose, you can flaunt it as much as you want.....
I'm pretty sure some people in here, after reading the procedure for measuring the nasal index that I posted, hastily went on to grab a ruler to measure their naak, to know, without a shadow of a doubt, whether it's Chuccho or Thyapcho or Thikka ko. Not my fault that people are self-conscious.
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| johnny_doe |
Posted
on 11-Nov-02 05:28 PM
Wow, I got 34. Do I need a nose-job? Someone, tell me. I'm going pagal!!!!
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| lonely |
Posted
on 13-Nov-02 02:26 PM
sachhi ho? do these numbers signfiy anything special?
khai ba aafu lai ta testo lagena?
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| bhedo |
Posted
on 13-Nov-02 07:31 PM
Well, yeah, bahuns usually have laamo naak. Newars, Magars, Rais, Tamangs, Limbus have thyapcho naak. Naak can tell a lot someone's personality.
http://www.now-india.com/general/astro/Dreams_FaceValue/nose.htm
My nose is aquiline.
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