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| isolated freak |
Posted
on 12-Nov-02 12:52 AM
Yes, we hate India!
We hate India. There’s no denying to this.
But, why we hate India? Who is fueling the anti-India sentiment?
It’s the Indian government that’s spreading Anti-Indianism in Nepal by:
a) not respecting Nepal’s sovereignty in practice.
b) not wanting to review/amend the unequal treaty of 1950
c) not accepting Nepal’s Zone of Peace proposal
d) creating political turmoil. Constantly interfering in Nepal’s “internal” matters
e) signing agreements on Nepal’s behalf with agencies such as UNHCR
f) not pressuring the Bhutanese government to solve the refugee crisis
g) indirectly supporting the Maoist movement
h) not letting Nepal develop [by not letting us utilize our water resources, by
lobbying against NEPAL in international arena etc.]
This is at the government level. At the public level this is done through:
a) offensive articles on Nepal in Indian newspapers/magazines
b) twisting historical facts: Buddha was born in India
c) portraying Nepal as an evil country which supports the ISI and other anti-
Indian forces
d) bringing the issue of Indian-Airlines hijacking all the time
Given all these facts, I am Indophobic and anti-Indian, so is the majority of Nepali population minus Parmendra and his followers and gurus.
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 12-Nov-02 01:00 AM
Don't forget the 2045-46 embargo. That is biggest reason for the current generation. That can not be forgotten.
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| Trikal |
Posted
on 12-Nov-02 01:05 AM
Isoleted freak JI,
Good thread you started.....Nationalist point of view.....may be you will get some strong critics...keep it up....
I agree with you......
...
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| isolated freak |
Posted
on 12-Nov-02 01:52 AM
Hahoo Guru,
hettrika tyo chutecha. Yes, that's also a legitimnate reason for us to hate india. with economic embargo and propoganda they were successful in overthrowing Panchayat.
disagreements are very VERY welcome.
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| lonely |
Posted
on 12-Nov-02 03:04 AM
Yes I also hate indians like most young Nepali for numerous reasons..
Almost all dhotis suck..I mean Indians hai.,..aafulai india ko bhatka bhanna manpaure nai indicate garna khojya chai haina..tara if you think you like india more than nepal you better go to your dholi ko desh ...india sucks...
indians don't want to see nepal progressing and this has been proved many times.
Indians suck....
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| batauli |
Posted
on 12-Nov-02 03:50 AM
(suchhma chhaap: my view only)
Most Nepalis see only UP, Bihar, W.Bengal and Bollywood as making India. Those three states are the biggest exporters of human labor into Nepal. Bollywood exports entertainment and cultural icons. Southern Indian states and the people there do not seem much interested in Nepal and Nepali issues not because they are ignorant, but because they have other issues of their own to deal with (education, health, development, etc...).
So what does Nepal get from India: vegetable and fruit vendors, construction and garment workers, underqualified school teachers, long lines of beggars at Pashupati road during ShivaRatri, and Manisha and Udit Narayan trying hard to succeed in their fields, just like everyone else.
What is Nepali ko answer to these: nothing.
Long time ago, Nepali highways saw many Punjabi bus and truck drivers. Uniharu lai ta kasaile khedo khanena ni... Instead Nepali people, mostly from OUTSIDE of snobby big cities, invested in that sector, and prospered.
"Dhoti", "madhise", "khali sisi", and even "marsya" is a pahadi and mostly Kathmandu lingo. I haven't seen too many of those dhotis, madhises get harrassed in my Batauli, because the people in Inner Terais don't see them as being different. Every other person on the street there is a dhoti or madhise.. or even deshi.
And "we Nepalis" are least bothered about Nepali politics, let alone India ko. "Our" sensitive sense of Patriotism falls apart when Ritik Roshan is somewhere quoted as saying something anti_nepali.
"We" need to hate someone.. couldn't hate China because "our" China is limited to Khasa bazar and Kung Fu. So "we" hate India.. it is right there, it is bigger, it is better, it is FREER, and somehow WE ARE BETTER THAN THEM... We are more Hindu than the Bhagwan Ram himself.
Aadi ityati.. agdam bagdam.. et cetera..
batauli
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| kalankisthan |
Posted
on 12-Nov-02 04:44 AM
Born in the kathmandu, i was, born in the kathmandu
Maryo maryo dhoti le maaryo. Hamra sabai cheli beti lai dhanda ma lagayo, hamra sappai daju bhai lai maobadi banayo. Paanwala banarasbaasi lai PM banayo, tyo PM le sarwassa Dhoti ko haat ma sumpidiyo, Nepali ko haat laage sunne. hamra Neta haru, be it Girija, Madhav Nepal, bamdev sappai le dhoti ko G*** molyo. Hamra Nepali sappai desh chodi bhaage, Jo Nepalai ma bachae, Tyallai ni dhoti le jiudai piralyo. Dhoti le ta baru alikati bhye ni raham khala, tara tyo DHOTI-KA-PUJARI NEPALI haru le jhan diusai diusai maaryo.
Iso jyu, this thread is really strong. tara ke garne, yo kurkure baisha mai tension bhayera aaucha dhoti ko kura sunne bittikai. Yesari nai Nepali lai dhoti le pelne ho bhane, aafno ta 30 nalagdai raam naam satya huncha jasto cha, heart attack bhayera. Yo sappai hunda ni koi NEPALI HARU LE INDIA KO G*** MOLYA DEKHERA DIKKA LAAGCHA.
Ajjha khassa khussa sunchu, Hamra Raja ko G-string ni aba Dhoti ko string ma hook up huncha re. Ani dhoti le hamlai kathaputali jastai nachauchan re, Sikkim lai jastai. Aba tyahi din herna baaki raheko jasto cha...
i remember one of the OLD TIME internet chatter, "cool hands" used to say "Jai pashupati naath le haami sappai ko rakshya garun, tara gardainan!!"
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| Kwasamachaa |
Posted
on 12-Nov-02 09:20 AM
Yeah I remember that Economic Blocade.
Had to stand in line hours and hours(along with the fights and constant bickerings while standing in line) for kerosene, sugar,salt etc etc..We had to stand in line for every daily necessity.. And at that time our GOVT begged and pleaded to UN, Nato and Warsaw leaders ..all in vain. Talk about descrimination and injustice. And people wonder where our hatred for INDIA came from...
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| ??! |
Posted
on 12-Nov-02 09:42 AM
Nepal ma dry port banera sidheko 2 yrs bhayo... but India has not agreed on Railway things... Now World Bank is threating nepal that the Dry Port Project will be termed a "failure". Yesta example ta kati chan kati. Tehi haina ta bada dai bha'ra dekhako? Why should not we hate the Indian way of treating nepal?
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| Deep |
Posted
on 12-Nov-02 09:42 AM
"Our" sensitive sense of Patriotism falls apart when Ritik Roshan is somewhere quoted as saying something anti_nepali. "
How did our sensitive sense of patriotism fall apart in ritik roshan kanda? how did it fall apart?
Patriotism never falls apart!
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| SIWALIK |
Posted
on 12-Nov-02 10:10 AM
Isolated Freak: You forgot that they even claim Mt. Everest to be in India.
My question is: What are we going to do about it? Is hating India the answer? What are we going to achieve if we can not be self-reliant, educated and competent to stand up against Indian designs in South Asia. We can work toward minimizing "hawkish" influence in Indian politics by promoting relationships with those who are friendly to nepal, like say I.K. Gujral, and counter the hegemonic influence by those favoring and promoting "goodneighbor" voices. My solution is not hating India, but building bridges that will lead us to strengthen our own national goals. I do not see "Indophobia" achieving that goal. And I am as much against Indian "hegemonic" design as any nepali should be, but I would like to see how things can work for better rather than venting poison.
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| Brook |
Posted
on 12-Nov-02 10:32 AM
Couldn't agree more with Batauli.
The whole Hritik Roshan episode was such a debacle. It was the most disgraceful manifestation of how poor our self-esteem as a nation is and has been and how hollow the nationalist "love" most guys here are spreading.
Personally, I think its time to look beyond the usual "shanti chhetra Nepal" or the "Buddha janmeko desh Nepal" or the "Mt.Everest-wala desh Nepal" to find our identity. Those concepts are so ...so 20th century.
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| paramendra |
Posted
on 12-Nov-02 10:32 AM
Siwalik is the voice of reason. He is not denying the specific points raised by isolated freak. But his remedy is more constructive.
Nepal is a country, India is another. India is much bigger, much much bigger. It has dealt many unfair hands to Nepal in the past. True.
But the first point I have to make is the Madhesis of Nepal can not be put in the same box as India. Those are two separate entities. The citizens of Nepal, as the Madhesis are, seek and deserve equality. Nothing India does or does not can be a pretext for the discrimination against the Teraiwasis.
As for India, what are Nepal's options: I think the key is to leave as few things as possible on bilateral terms so as to minimize India's advantages.
- Build a consensus on the domestic front by working towards domestic social justice for the madhesis, the janajatis, the dalits, and the women. This has to be the starting point.
- Domestic political reforms. Anti-corruption. Republicanism. Free and fair elections. Transparent party accounts. Party fund-raising limited by law. Major investments in education and health.
- Giving SAARC more teeth. Institutionalize multi-lateralism, minimize bilateralism.
- Minimize the land-lockedness. More regional trade. Dry port. Some other port besides Calcutta. And a possible South Asian economic union which would virtually eliminate the disadvantages of land-lockedness.
- http://www.geocities.com/paramendra/2002/un.html ------ This would really liberate countries like Nepal from the constrainsts of geography.
- Build domestic consensus on issues of national importance.
- Work against Indophobia, an irrational fear of everything Indian. Instead channel the energies to stand up to it, and fight the tough bargains.
- Focus on the national economy.
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| isolated freak |
Posted
on 12-Nov-02 11:02 AM
siwalik wrote : My question is: What are we going to do about it? Is hating India the answer? What are we going to achieve if we can not be self-reliant, educated and competent to stand up against Indian designs in South Asia. We can work toward minimizing "hawkish" influence in Indian politics by promoting relationships with those who are friendly to nepal, like say I.K. Gujral, and counter the hegemonic influence by those favoring and promoting "goodneighbor" voices.
****
Siwalik, the answer to this is econmic strength. We have to be economically strong to lessen the indian hegemonic influence, but how can we become ecomically strong when India creates hurdles in our every development effort? The Indians have been denying us the transit route to Bangladesh, which is a direct violation of the article 3 of the Geneva convention on the high seas. This makes us dependant on them even for our trade with other (third) countries. So, the Indian interest has been to never let nepal develop.
IK Gujral's non-reciprocity policy wasn't quite favored by the Indian bureaucracy.
******
You further wrote: My solution is not hating India, but building bridges that will lead us to strengthen our own national goals. I do not see "Indophobia" achieving that goal. And I am as much against Indian "hegemonic" design as any nepali should be, but I would like to see how things can work for better rather than venting poison.
***
I agree with you here but India has left us with no othert option that to hate or and be "INDOPHOBIC". What would you do when someone ties you up and says, "I tied you up, but its your responsibility to free yourself".
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| isolated freak |
Posted
on 12-Nov-02 11:09 AM
Parmednra:
Indophobia is not an IRRATIONAL fear of India. Its a legitimate fear.
Your points would get you a B+ in a college class (possibely an A- if you throw in some theories and referense) on say, development and regionalism, but in real world, its a F.
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| isolated freak |
Posted
on 12-Nov-02 11:12 AM
I agree with you here but India has left us with no othert option that to hate or and be "INDOPHOBIC".
Read this as:
I agree with you here but India has left us with no other option than to hate her and be INDOPHOBIC.
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| Zero_creativity |
Posted
on 12-Nov-02 11:33 AM
Parmendra ji,
You have raised some good points that is essential for social development in Nepal and for betterment of Indo-Nepal relationship. But some of 'em are completely irrelevant to enhance relationship between India and Nepal. For better Indo-Nepal relationship, I beleive India doesnt much concerned your # 1, 2, 6 and 8. India has nothing to do (and never interested ) with development of Nepal. I never see friendship attitude of India towards Nepal.
But your observations # 3 , 4,5 and 7 are relatively pragmatic. Nepal could get a lot of benifits from SAARC. Nepal could pressure India for fair trade with help of other neighbouring country through SAARC.
But we should accept our dependency on India. Huna pani, paaani ma basera Gohi shanga dusmani garnu ramro pani hoina. Haat milanunu nai ramro huncha. I like your point #7.
Being a much stronger than Nepal and Nepal's much dependency on it, India doesnt have any potential threat from Nepal.
Hope Indian policy makes understand this.
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| SIWALIK |
Posted
on 12-Nov-02 11:34 AM
I diasagree with these statements by Isolated freak:
1. "Indian interest has been to never let nepal develop."
This implies that there are no one in India that is a friend and a well-wisher of Nepal. I argue there are plenty of them. And instead of moaning about not getting this or that which would be favoring Nepal, we need to see where the obstacles are in the Indian bureaucracy. If there could be "detente" during the height of Cold War, we can follow the same strategy. I suggest we win over the "hawkish" faction. Let them visit Nepal (even Bhutan knows how to play this game better than us) on official invitations, seminars, vacation trips and show that Nepal is not what they might have "preconceived" as a hostole bed of anti-Indianism. If we can successfully break down their "misconception" we have won the battle. There has to be a point where the vicious cycle has to be broken. It is in our interest to take the initiative. If our strategy is to enhance our economic strength, as you have rightfully proposed, then it is even more essential to win over those who create obstacles. I do not believe it is all Indians who want to suppress Nepal and Nepalese.
2. India has left us with no other option that to hate or and be "INDOPHOBIC".
NO, ung..ung..hate is not our only option. Hate is a visceral, short-sighted, self-defeating reaction. We have to realize, first of all, that politics is about power--WE DO NOT HAVE IT. In this world the strong can do what they want, the weak what they have to. Not a very soothing thought, nevertheless, that is international politics. No articles from Geneva convention or UN resolutions will apply unless you have the force to back it up. A pragmatic option is to win them over. be realistic and try to gain what we can. If we are proud to be from the land of Buddha, maybe it might be useful if we use some of his teachings, as in the eightfold path.
On the lighter note, India has actually tried to make Nepal a "maritime" state by flooding our southern borders, so we might have our own coastline. How about that?
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| isolated freak |
Posted
on 12-Nov-02 11:55 AM
Siwalik:
There are many friends of nepal in india but they don't have the authority to make "important decisions". And those who make decisions aren't friendly towards nepal.
"And instead of moaning about not getting this or that which would be favoring Nepal, we need to see where the obstacles are in the Indian bureaucracy"
The Indian bureaucray is still following the British legacy i.e, to make Nepal dependant on India for every little thing. But, yes, if we can somehow change the mindset of the Indian bureaucracy then, we might be able to achieve a lot.. but, i don't see this happening.
There was "detente" during the height of the cold war, but there was DeGaulle! (do we have a leader of that caliber in Nepal and/or India?
"I suggest we win over the "hawkish" faction. Let them visit Nepal (even Bhutan knows how to play this game better than us) on official invitations, seminars, vacation trips and show that Nepal "
My dear friend, this "hawkish" faction of indian bureaucracy is won't sell out to Nepal that easily. they do what they are traiend to do, i.e, create obstacles for nepal. The whole Indian system and policy have to be re-written to make the Indian bureaucray favorable to nepal.
****
part 2 bholi, nindra lagyo aaba!
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| isolated freak |
Posted
on 12-Nov-02 11:59 AM
"India has actually tried to make Nepal a "maritime" state by flooding our southern borders, so we might have our own coastline. How about that? "
Interesting thought! (but still they are craeting obstacle by not flooding the borders with WATER!!!:-)
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| isolated freak |
Posted
on 12-Nov-02 12:01 PM
"This implies that there are no one in India that is a friend and a well-wisher of Nepal. I argue there are plenty of them"
Siwalik, let me add one more thing:
Even the frinds of nepal won't do anything to help nepal if its not in India's interest. They are trained to look after their country's interests, not Nepal's.
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 12-Nov-02 12:06 PM
Isolated Freak ji
I agree with you on India: It is a systematic destructuring of a society/nation: A legacy of years of Colonization; and an indirect continuation of it through the creation of a Colonial elitist local society that feeds off the remnants of British domination!
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| Rusty |
Posted
on 12-Nov-02 12:10 PM
Isolated Freak...
I agree 200%
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| oys_chill |
Posted
on 12-Nov-02 01:43 PM
kalankistan,
btw, that COOL HANDS, london basi ta hoina...?????
Isolated freak jyu, yo sab ko lagi time nabhaye ni.....i have a couple of points........
i think i hate india.....for seeing that all our netas like kalankistan said are bootlickers of indian leaders..
but more than that i hate india is because of the fact that we are soooooooooooo dependant on india..and it enrages me more and more .......the more I think and realize there's really nothing we can do bout it.
yup yup, we can strengthen the economy....but how? when every capitalist wants to invest his capital from abroad..somehow.......mm...i agree with one of the commentators here..................who said "we should see our country beyond...buddha's land"
ehehe....i completely agree.........the more i defy, the more it hits me.....akhir yo brain drain ta buddha ji kai paala dekhin suru bha ho ni ;)..
damn....its been a while i've thought of brain drain.......maybe *SOMEONE* here in this thread mustn't be so worried bout india and nepal, after all he's gonna start a dot com right here in (united suckers assoc.) aka USA :) hoina ta??
oys
chill
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| kewl |
Posted
on 12-Nov-02 02:04 PM
I hate INDIA because...
They are the leaders in IT technoloy ...
They have colleges like IIT which cannot compete with Schools like TU in Nepal...
They have produced leaders like Gandhi and Neharu who cannot be compared with great leaders like Girija and Madhav of Nepal.....
All Engineers and doctors of India got their degree from Nepal college...
Nepal had to built AIMS at delhi so Indians can have better medical facilities...
Indians have to come to India to work as "gorkhe" to support their families...
Indians seel their sister, daughter and bhauju to Kathmandu "Red Light " area...
......
Friends i am pure Nepali and I have to hate India because I HAVE TO.....( dont ask me why....)
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| ruck |
Posted
on 12-Nov-02 02:11 PM
I HATE INDIA (TITLE OF THE THREAD)
HEY THATS ALL WE ARE CAPABLE OF.. WHAT ELSE.. HATE HATE HATE OTHERS.... THERE IS SO MUCH HATRED ALREADY AROUNDTHE WORLD.
WE HATE INDIA AND THE MAOIST HATE US..
WE HATE THE POLITICIANS AND THE KING TOO
HEY HEY EXCUSE ME... WHO DO WE LOVE THEN?? OURSELVES?? I DOUBT??????
WHEN WILL WE LEARN, BUT WHEN????
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| kalankisthan |
Posted
on 12-Nov-02 02:23 PM
Kewl,
Mancheharu garcha agra ko kura, ani, hazur, hune birwa ko chillo paat garnu huncha gagra ko kura!
Hazur le ni bharat batai taalim prapta garibakshya ho ki kya ho? Khoob maya moha cha ni Bharat patti.
IT industry ta Nepal ma ni hunthyo hola ni, tara ke garnu, Nepal ma hazur jasto Kewl manche ko thodai kami cha ra?
TU ma padhne le ke gare ke gare, thaha chaina, tara tyo banaras ma padhya twante baaje le bittyas paaryo ni, desh lai. Birshya? May be you were more interested on Chandrashekhar.
Gandhi ra nehru re? Uha haru kai kripa le ta bharat 3 tuka bha history ma padhibakshena bharat ma chada. Huna ta je bho thikai bho, tai pani, desh nai tukra banaune kasta great neta parechan bhanera yo kalanki "Kingkartabyabimudh" ni
Nepal ma padhya jati ta sappai nepal mai bashi haale ni, tyashai le ta bhaa cha "kalyanji-anandji" nepal ko.
what is AIMS?
hyaa, artha na bartha ko jaisi gai, peon ko dushman lohani dai
ke karai ra hola ma pani
kaam napajasto
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| Logical Sense |
Posted
on 12-Nov-02 02:37 PM
I think this is one of the best constructive thread on India-Nepal relationships.
Isolated Freak has starteed with 'SOME' good points and very well countered by 'SIWALIK' and 'BATULI'.
Hating is not the answer, but, going deeper in the cause and finding the root and starting from where we agree could be most positive in India and Nepal relationship. We both have lots of commonality to take advantage of.
You guys talk of India claiming "Mt. Everest is in India"?
But, have you realized that China TOOK half of Mt. Everest (Inidia just talks no harm to Mt. Everest yet other than we might loose few tourist dollars when a illinformed tourist lands in India to visit Mt. Everest)?
Our past King sold it so cunningly that not even a single Nepali Sole talk about it? And, it was done in our life time (oh well, not many of you but who ever was born after 1975).
I wonder why nobody even talk about it?
No tears for it? My God, Mt. Everest taken by China and Nepalese talk about Mahottari being flooded by India just because 2 yeare prior to that our King and his secretaries IGNORED ten letters sent by India to build a JOINT barage to tackle flooding problem in India so that India had no other option to protect their village without extending the dam upto Chure? Do anyone talk about what India asked from Nepal regarding this?
Don't get me wrong I am not India's fan.
But, just hating will not help, we need to be smarter than just showing hatred in public. We need to be diplomat and work towards each other's advantage and that only comes when QUALIFIED people go for negotiation.
And, that only comes from DEMOCRACY, and not from MONARCH appointed Secretaries who has to telephone his boss 100 times during negotiation to ask for each and evey point Indian counter parts raises.
Because this SLC fail Minister had no way of handling that HAWK eyed IAS officer who knew more about Nepal than that APPOINTED Nepali minister.
So, at the end these are my messages.:
Information,
Education,
Diplomacy,
Smooth Talking.
"Kill them in their own turf"
- iti
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| Logical Sense |
Posted
on 12-Nov-02 02:53 PM
Kewl,
Do you know that in many of these top Indian instutes (IITs, AIIMS, XLRI, IIMs) Nepalese students are Gold Medalist?
During my time in one of these institutes Nepalese were admitted in 9 different departments and they topped in 5 different of them?
That makes me not HATE Indians. I feel we are equal with them inspite of our situation!
First generation Nepalese can compete with 3rd/4th Generation Indians, that is achievement my friend!!!
- iti
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| SIWALIK |
Posted
on 12-Nov-02 03:16 PM
I have norhing more to add than to reiterate that "hate" is not my modus orerandi. I do not believe it will achieve the "economic development" we dream about. For those who have guttoral hate toward India, this editorial in today's TKP (Nov. 12. 2002) might give some relief. Here are some exerpts:
Indians’ belief
By Puran P Bista
"India’s first Prime Minister Jawahar Lal Nehru once said: "Don’t fiddle with the Nepalese, if you do that may boomerang on us". He had also predicted that such a policy would eventually culminate in entire Himalayan region coming under the influence of Nepalese and members of the Nepalese Diaspora." ...
It may be said that Sardar Ballav Bhai Patel had suggested something nasty bordering on keeping Nepal as a protectorate. There are many Indians who still believe in Patel’s policy towards Nepal and have made attempts to interfere in Nepali domestic politics, especially after the Rajiv era." ...
"It has been almost six decades since India got independence. Yet, it has been unable to integrate the people into the mainstream. The separatist movements, especially in Jammu and Kashmir, and north-east states have raised doubts of India becoming a strong and single entity. The year India completed fifty years of independence, prime minister IK Gujral said: "Our biggest achievement in fifty years’ time is we remain united. This has become our strength rather than a claim that India is a developed country". This indicates that Delhi cannot rule India longer than a century. This is also a belief among the Indian intellectuals." ...
http://www.kantipuronline.com/kpost_html/kp_editorial.htm#Indians’%20belief
So perhaps if India breaks up within the next fifty years, Nepal might face less of a hegemonic neighbor. Hope that brightens your day!
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| smr |
Posted
on 12-Nov-02 04:53 PM
As we spend time talking about hating India, Indians get $100.00 M of green dough from Bill gates for its fight against Aids. Indians also occupy 30% of the engineering work force of Intel, and another 30 or so % at the MS. It has had a double digit growth for the last several years.
It is home to a culture 5000 years old, and about 20% of humanity lives there. A staggering number of doctors in the US government hospital are from India, and many US labs are filled with Indian scientists. I don't have the exact figure, but 1/3 rd of the Silicon Valley companies have some sort of Indian hands.
Implications: Bill Clinton and Bill Gates keep going back to India, and hundreds and thousands of Indians students come to the US for higher studies. Now, many are going back to India to establish all sorts of business ventures using their US network.
Americans make fun of French all the time, and the Britt’s don't think much of the Cowboys. The Mexicans are not welcome in the North, and yet 75 billion dollars worth of annual market is created right across the southern border known as the Maquiladora plats. Plus the two countries are either 2nd or the 3rd trading partner in the world.
Yes, we were never colonized, the Gurkhas come from Nepal, and the tallest mountain Everest is in Nepal. But we need to go beyond these: Our leaders need to change their thinking process and act selfish for the benefit of the people.
Hate and love can all continue folks, but we just need to align our economic incentive with our southern border and take advantage of the emerging power house --India.
That does not mean we need to sell our soul to India. We can still be proud Nepalis never ready to bow in front of anyone. Let’s use our comparative advantage in hydro resources and tourism for the benefit of the people. Let’s make room for new leadership by throwing the bastards (wy’s words) out of the way. Let’s organize. Be vocal and make a difference. Put the feet of the bastards in front of the fire.
Jay Nepal.
Home of the Braves
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| oys_chill |
Posted
on 12-Nov-02 05:35 PM
kalankistan jyu,
cool hands ko reply ta ajhai aayena, kya ho......yesto ris uthya? ris ko okhati thah chaina hajur lai? kalanki ko padhero ko paani khayera basne ni ;) lau pheri mathi hernu paryo........
ruck ji, yah...when will we learn to love?? very interesting question...common, yo lop sop ko kura chai looks great on paper............hatred is ingrained on me....
not only for the indians, but also for the amrikans, kales, hispanics, and mostly nepricans who have grand design for our country :) but cn't practice what they preach!!!! call me a racist or neo nazi nepali :) i wouldn't mind! i am a great fan of hitler to start with :)
oys
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| vibrant_soul |
Posted
on 12-Nov-02 05:51 PM
"damn....its been a while i've thought of brain drain.......maybe *SOMEONE* here in this thread mustn't be so worried bout india and nepal, after all he's gonna start a dot com right here in (united suckers assoc.) aka USA :) hoina ta??
oys
chill "
comm'n now i know you can do a lot better than this or is it me that hasn't been able to spot the sarcasm in your remark...your smart-witty retort isn't helping anyone's cause at all.. if you find it so worthless,then the question i put to you my friend is, why don't you just take a leak?
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| oys_chill |
Posted
on 12-Nov-02 06:16 PM
vibrant soul,
dherai serious discussion ma fase pachi yestai ho....we all forget there's one more sense that we hardly delve into....its the sense of humor :) very easy to develop..yet ppl find it so hard to accept :)...instead of leaking up or down, we need to grow up ;) uff katti bhanne eutai kura ..........redundant afnai mind ma aaba ta!
tara even if i do take things lightly, I DON"T LIKE FABRICATING STUFF HAI ;)
mm vibrant soul....... there's something else bout anger...........the other person hardly feels it ..eheh.......
tyo deep dai ko dialogue cha ni "dui deen ko jeevan, palta ek chin" chill chill!
i am taking a permanent break from this thread :) leaking out!
oys
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| paramendra |
Posted
on 12-Nov-02 07:14 PM
This thread has a sibling:
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| Zero_creativity |
Posted
on 12-Nov-02 07:17 PM
Can't Sanji merge both of 'em.
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| paramendra |
Posted
on 12-Nov-02 07:19 PM
No need, really......
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| Rastaman |
Posted
on 12-Nov-02 08:25 PM
Hey People. What is wrong with you people is exactly this. You dem people hate India and I agree that. We do that because we are Nepalis. No one held us back all these times yet we did nothing and now India is powerful and advanced we blame India for everything we did not or could not do ourselves. India is the only nation that got rid of the British with just its determination. Whereas we cant even rule ourselves even in this 21st century. Yes everything is Indias fault. Now we are acting like the extremist islamic sects. We blame everything to the west or the ones that is doing good. Just look at our rulers. They are all Indians. All the kings and relatives have matrimonial relationships with various rajas and Indian people. Why dont you look at that? Yes you people are right Pakistan is better. Come on wake up dumbheads
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| isolated freak |
Posted
on 13-Nov-02 12:06 AM
Logical Sense wrote: And, that only comes from DEMOCRACY, and not from MONARCH appointed Secretaries who has to telephone his boss 100 times during negotiation to ask for each and every point Indian counter parts raises.
Logical sense, I don’t find myself agreeing with you on this one. We have been negotiating with India for the last 54 years, and so far the best negotiation we had with India was on the treaty of 1978—this was when we had two separate treaties on trade and transit.
You are forgetting one thing: In Panchayat days, people who negotiated with India were all qualified people. There were no political appointments of the secretaries of trade, finance and foreign. They all started their career from section officers and with their qualification (education and experience) were made foreign, commerce and finance secretaries. We had LSE and Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy (tufts) grads who dealt with India.
The situation has worsened now because most of the appointments these days are political. So, if you look at the history of our dealings with India, then you will be amazed at how Panchayat never succumbed to the Indian pressure and never compromised on Nepal’s national interests.
Siwalik wrote: So perhaps if India breaks up within the next fifty years, Nepal might face less of a hegemonic neighbor. Hope that brightens your day!
No, If India breaks apart, then we will have more problems. We won’t be benefiting anything at all if India breaks apart, we will have more problems. We might even find ourselves fighting with the “independent” nation states of West Bengal, Bihar, Jharkhand, Asaam.. So, India’s breaking apart is not a solution. The solution is our “economic growth” but as I said earlier, India will never let us develop. How can we be economically strong when our neighbor to the south does not even provide us with the facilities, which we are entitled to?
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| KaLaNkIsThAn |
Posted
on 13-Nov-02 08:46 AM
Oys jyu, sorry sorry,
Lekhe bhan thanya ta lekhi na chu ni. Gadhai ho ma pani.
I don't know who was cool hands. But he was really funny in the chatroom.
:Last saw him in Nepal news... a year ago. He named himself Butt heavy.
he was funny.
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| SIWALIK |
Posted
on 13-Nov-02 12:01 PM
Isolated Freak wrote: "No, If India breaks apart, then we will have more problems. We won’t be benefiting anything at all if India breaks apart, we will have more problems. We might even find ourselves fighting with the “independent” nation states of West Bengal, Bihar, Jharkhand, Asaam. So, India’s breaking apart is not a solution.
Why should we have more problem? If we had neighbors that were not blatantly hegemoic because of their overwhelming size and economy etc. we would probably more on equal terms and have more beneficial relations like we do with B'desh. And why would we have to fight with the breakaway states? What is the theoretical or natural logic to this assertion? Did Nepal fight B'desh when in 1971?
Isolated Freak added: "India will never let us develop. How can we be economically strong when our neighbor to the south does not even provide us with the facilities, which we are entitled to?"
I would say this is a very "upbeat" attitude coming from someone inside Nepal entrenched in the "ground reality". On the one hand you argue that economic development is the only way, but on the other hand you are rigidly sure that India will never let that happen. I guess we can go to Delhi and wave wildly the Geneva or any international document and scream our lungs out what our rights are and also add, "By the way, we hate you dhotis", and promptly expect our problems to be solved; expect India to wimper like a dog and say, "Sorry Bahadur bhaiya, we have really been unfair to you, now you just watch my gate and everything will be fixed. It is Inida's responsibility to make sure Nepal gets what it desires."
Well, I say it is time to "study" international politics, since you are so interested in studying this and that, and more...
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| nayabato |
Posted
on 13-Nov-02 05:29 PM
i agree to the point that india as a whole has been pressing it's authority on nepal, but it is not right to blame the layperson. however, if the india was to defragment into little states, it would benefit us in every kind. on the subject of politics, well it only compicates the daily life of a person in small village in some far corner of a country. one must also realise that politics is not what it tend to show it'self as. international, well that just dominated by the one's who holds the right keys or has had a head start, hence how can a poor nation every catch up unless it has to change it'self way? surely it is not the answer?
your thoughts...
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