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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 12-Nov-02 10:41 AM
It will be unfair to accumulate only the things why we hate. Sometime, we also appreciate India, because there are millions of Indians who don't know us, just the way Japanese don't and they ask me, "Is Nepal in South America?". Mainly common Indian citizens far from Bihar, Gorakhpur will hardly try to cheat a commoner Nepali just because s/he is Nepali. Well, there are four types of indians:
1. Bihar, Gorakhpur, Lakhnow and other border areas, in calcutta, Delhi, bombay city areas to some extent.
2. In government of India: administration and politics who are chauvanistic and want to behave like big brothers.
3. There are indians who are good peoples who want to consider Nepal as fellow neighbouring country, want it to progress positively.
4. They know nothing about Nepal or Nepalis, hardly they know is its a country along northern border of india and sandwitched between india and china.
Nepalis hate India because of first two types of indians. India is a big country. I have visited from Srinagar to south in train, to Goa to Bombay in Ship. I have realized that "chay" is spoken and style varies almost in every train stop (limited express trains). I mean India can not be generalized as homogenous as Japan. India is a small world itself. So, generalizing indians just by watching the types of first 2 types of indians in aformentioned list, will be wrong and will be injustice to millions of indians who fall in category 3 and 4.
So, lets see why should we appreciate indians some other time (away from hate):
1. India provides job to unskilled nepalis. Lets not forget millions of Nepalis especially from western Nepal go to Delhi, Lakhnow, ...... for job. That is the only method for them to sustain latta-kapada-noon in remote nepal. I had seen in IIT Delhi, all the waiters were Nepali boys. A young kid came to us complained that "Thaha chha dai harulai, oooo tyo chha ni tyo pani Nepali ho tara laaj le Nepali boladaina, hindi ma bolcha. Dai, ma ta ini (Indians) haru sanga pani nepali mai boldinchu." Lets not forget the job they get. Educated and rich nepalis come to japan and go to america to do the same job of bhada majhne in Indian restaurants. Its fact. In japan, all most all waiter in Indian restaurants are Nepalis. The indians trust Nepali waiters more than their fellow indian waiters.
2. Indians don't know nepal: When we were in Simala many years back in a hotel, the hotel owner was surprised that Nepalis can stay in his hotel as guest. He had always thought that Nepalis are worker class peoples who come here for job. When we talked with him in the evening, he learned many things, and realized where is Nepal, and Nepal as completely a different country.
3. Indian Military provides job to Nepalis. Well, some peoples call it not good to join indian army. I guess it is better than being a waiter. I am not against stopping this. This had helped a lot of Nepalis to move from hill to valleys e.g. Pokhara. Pokhara is now prosporous because of Gurkha Army, not because of tourism. Whatever is earned from tourism, I guess real pokhara gets nothing. All hotels and workers there are hardly Pokhareli peoples. Its hard fact.
4. Today, indian tourists are increasing. They usually come from far from india-nepal border, they have no hard feeling against Nepalis. They come enjoy and return. They are better than back packer western or japanese tourists who change dollar in bank to nepali rupees to get visa, and return back the dollar by purchasing it in black. These back packers don't even spend the minimum money to make legal trip. Indians who come to Nepal for visit, are better.
5. South Indians don't have any hard feelings against Nepalis. When Nepalis approach for job in south india, they are trusted more than to fellow indians.
6. India contributed a lot in education: colombo plan: engineering and medical sciences. We can not just neglect it.
Let me hear your thoughts.
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| Logical Sense |
Posted
on 12-Nov-02 03:08 PM
Guruji,
Nice points. I would like to add some more points:
1) If you think India wants a genuine relationships with any neighbor then it is non othter than NEPAL.
2) In foreign land most of the Nepalese find a FRIEND in Indians. And they are very genuinely helpful to Nepalese.
3) Most of the common Indians wonder why do we have a strained relationships even with Nepal?
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Points to ponder
1) India makes CHEAPEST hydro power plant in the whole World (in Bhutan) and Nepal makes COSTLIEST hydro power in the whole World (Marshyangdi). So, I wish Nepal could take advantage of this by not putting the country in enormous debt by building plant which need to be paid by our grand children.....
2) Tri-Lateral negotiation to store and distribute water with Bangladesh and India
3) More IT co-operation after India completes Fiber Optioc lines in Nepal (SAARC country wanted in all of the countries but India only did for Nepal.....Thanks India.....)
4) More manufacturing skills from China and IT know how from India
.....
More later (Lunch time is over)
- iti
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| ruck |
Posted
on 12-Nov-02 03:16 PM
Wow, Now this is "Intellectual Analysis"
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| smr |
Posted
on 12-Nov-02 04:56 PM
Ruck and others:
As we spend time talking about hating India, Indians get $100.00 M of green dough from Bill gates for its fight against Aids. Indians also occupy 30% of the engineering work force of Intel, and another 30 or so % at the MS. It has had a double digit growth for the last several years.
It is home to a culture 5000 years old, and about 20% of humanity lives there. A staggering number of doctors in the US government hospital are from India, and many US labs are filled with Indian scientists. I don't have the exact figure, but 1/3 rd of the Silicon Valley companies have some sort of Indian hands.
Implications: Bill Clinton and Bill Gates keep going back to India, and hundreds and thousands of Indians students come to the US for higher studies. Now, many are going back to India to establish all sorts of business ventures using their US network.
Americans make fun of French all the time, and the Britt’s don't think much of the Cowboys. The Mexicans are not welcome in the North, and yet 75 billion dollars worth of annual market is created right across the southern border known as the Maquiladora plats. Plus the two countries are either 2nd or the 3rd trading partner in the world.
Yes, we were never colonized, the Gurkhas come from Nepal, and the tallest mountain Everest is in Nepal. But we need to go beyond these: Our leaders need to change their thinking process and act selfish for the benefit of the people.
Hate and love can all continue folks, but we just need to align our economic incentive with our southern border and take advantage of the emerging power house --India.
That does not mean we need to sell our soul to India. We can still be proud Nepalis never ready to bow in front of anyone. Let’s use our comparative advantage in hydro resources and tourism for the benefit of the people. Let’s make room for new leadership by throwing the bastards (wy’s words) out of the way. Let’s organize. Be vocal and make a difference. Put the feet of the bastards in front of the fire.
Jay Nepal.
Home of the Braves
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| Suna |
Posted
on 12-Nov-02 07:01 PM
Hey guys,
don't forget us! the wonderful friendly people from Darjeeling :) with a weird accent. Also from India..bharat......come other Nepalese whose roots are in Nepal.
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| oys_chill |
Posted
on 12-Nov-02 07:05 PM
haha guroo ji, the crust of entropy lies in its subtleties :)
the title really hit me "NEPALIS SOMETIME APPRECIATE....."
"sometimes" IS THE KEY HERE :) and PERIOD! no point being hypocritical like our leaders!
oys
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| ashu |
Posted
on 12-Nov-02 07:24 PM
Who hates India in Nepal?
Not the Kathmandu's super-rich, who own properties and investments in India.
Not the Kathmandu's elites who send their kids off to fancy boarding schools in
India, and travel to Delhi and Mumbai frequently for business.
Not too Kathmandu's middle-class, who send their kids off to high school, college, medical school and engineering school in India. Nor too their old parents who go on pilgrimages across India.
Not too Nepali film-makers, for whom Bollywood remains an inspiration.
Not too Nepali housewives who enjoy those addictive ZEE TV and Star TV (Ekta Kapoor-made) serials and much much more.
Not too Nepal's low-income class, for whom India provides millions of legal and illegal jobs, ranging from jobs in the armed forces to jobs as taxi-drivers in Delhi, and so much more.
As a Nepali, rather than wasting my time hating India for every one of its real and perceived sins/slights and ranting and raving about those sins/slights, I , for one, am interested in figuring out and then working toward how Nepal can strategically benefit from India.
If India twists our arms when signing treaties, then, that is so because we LET India do so by not doing our own homework properly, by not being ready to deal with India.
It's time, when it comes to India, we stopped being cry-babies with huge ego and shaky self-confidence and learn to be confident, prepared and shrewd Nepalis with small ego and huge self-confidence.
Else, we can continue hating India, thumping our chests and belting out another cliched "bir Nepali" geet, while India -- that country of a billion people -- just won't
give a damn to pathetic Nepal on its INEVITABLE march to more prosperity and more influence.
How we deal with India -- for our national benefit -- is ENTIRELY up to us and us alone.
oohi
"a fan of Hyderbadi biryani"
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| protean |
Posted
on 12-Nov-02 09:07 PM
I think it is just a propaganda that had been created by the leadership over the last 50 years.
Quite a substantial proportion of the present leaders made use of the education system in India. The king studied in India as well as most of the congress and communist leaders--including BRB. Isn't it a bit ironic to get the best possible, and then attempt to spread the "hate India" sentiment across the nation. It probably was to inculcate some sort of patrioism and then garner support as not much was being delivered anyway.
But, now that wouldn't work. India is definitely a place we've to learn from. Teaming up with India is a win-win situation.
Indians are providing funds to start new projects and support new and existing institutions in India. It would be to Nepal's advantage to work with India in the next century as a substantial amount of work will be started there. According to Mc. Kinsey, consulting, the majority of the work that would be started in India is in the knowledge based Industry.
Why don't we make use of such opporunity?
Some of the CEOs and strategic position holders are of Indian roots --especially those came in the 1970s time frame from IIT. One example of such an influential Indian of that generation is Vinod Khosla, one of the key players of the Venture Capitalist Firm, Kleiner Perkins.
Why don't we appreciate what they've and learn from them?
Of course, we need to weigh our strengths, and form a strategic alliance with them.
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| smr |
Posted
on 12-Nov-02 09:33 PM
Further:
It has always been understood that India gives us lower rates for our electricity. Actually it is turning out to be a myth. Our long-term contract, I read somewhere, pays us about 9 paise / unit (?) whereas the rate in Indian market is about 5 paise / unit (?). A case can be made for a joint venture in our hydro industry with the Indian private sector (and others too) so that the same Indian business houses would lobby for a higher rates for our electricity for mutual benefits. Money talks.
One of the persons who was with the trade delegate told me that one time the Indian team gave the Nepali team a copy of their document to review before the trade talk. Obviously, the Nepali team was hopelessly ill-prepared.
I say all this and what I presented above with great caution however: We need to be businesslike only from the point of view of our own self-interest We can still keep our pride and dignity. We still need to be very vigilent with the citizenship issue, in that we should not be giving out fake certificates to those thousands and thousands of Indians, and at the same time, we should not be denying to those deservening ones who are from the Terai.
I am hopeful that many private colleges are producing very talended technical manpower in IT, and we can be in a position to lift the burden off the Indian IT sector as India moves towards the manufacturing sector away from the service sector. But such coperation cannot take place with a unjustified negative attitude toward India. That does not mean that India will not act as a big brother. We just have to pick our battle, be on our guard, and self interested.
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| Logical Sense |
Posted
on 12-Nov-02 09:35 PM
OK, let us find out "who hates India in Nepal? "
1) "Not the Kathmandu's super-rich, who own properties and investments in India."
Population of Kathmandu and surroundings is 1.2 million and out of that the way corruption is increasing, and the construction sky rocketed around 823, 948 fall in this category.
2) "Not the Kathmandu's elites who send their kids off to fancy boarding schools in
India, and travel to Delhi and Mumbai frequently for business. "
This includes people from all over Nepal who travel to India for business purposes. They are around 25% of Nepalese populaton, that is 6, 567, 265.
3) "Not too Kathmandu's middle-class, who send their kids off to high school, college, medical school and engineering school in India. Nor too their old parents who go on pilgrimages across India."
This is major. Count all Paramendra's too in here, all the Bahuns and rest of the Hindus. So, those who fall in category (3) and were not in category (1) and (2) are 12,631, 567.
4) "Not too Nepali film-makers, for whom Bollywood remains an inspiration. "
Kollywood has become major industry in Nepal, include here all the 'Extras' and would be Extras, that makes up around 213,654
5) "Not too Nepali housewives who enjoy those addictive ZEE TV and Star TV (Ekta Kapoor-made) serials and much much more. "
The way TV mania has spread in Nepal, including major cities of Terai and last time we counted number of TV's in Nepal it must be 523,125 households so, count around 350,000 who do not fall into 1,2,3,4 categories.
6) "Not too Nepal's low-income class, for whom India provides millions of legal and illegal jobs, ranging from jobs in the armed forces to jobs as taxi-drivers in Delhi, and so much more. "
Man, man, man, this is enormous. Nepal has 23% people who go hungry around 5 million people. Out of that around 60% go to India to earn their livelyhood rest go to Middle east and else where. So, this category adds 2, 986, 432 to the pot.
Now, let me add my numbers:
It totals to 22, 745, 991 people in Nepal who DO NOT Hate India.
Last time we counted there were 22, 745, 997 people in NEPAL.
So, that leaves exactly Six (6) people who absolutely Hate India.
Isolated Freak
Sitara
Rusty
Oys_Chill
kewl
Logical Sense
Actually Logical Sense is in Error, he does not hate India, He absolutely Loves India (after Nepal), so that leaves exactly Five people. I could add BitchPatrol, but, oh well!!!
Rock on!!!!!!
- iti
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| nuts |
Posted
on 12-Nov-02 11:01 PM
a good one..LS
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| isolated freak |
Posted
on 13-Nov-02 12:25 AM
Yes, Guruji, we sometime appreciate India. Note, sometime, not always. Sometime we appreciate India, other times, we hate her.
Ashu wrote: It's time, when it comes to India, we stopped being cry-babies with huge ego and shaky self-confidence and learn to be confident, prepared and shrewd Nepalis with small ego and huge self-confidence.
Ashu, but how? Let’s be realistic, c’mon we don’t live in a perfect world. See, no matter how good our arguments are, what if the other party just does not want to give us anything? OK< even if we say, we don’t want to have any dealing with India, then too we need to use the Calcutta port. India has not followed any articles of international law when it comes to giving us transit rights. This has resulted in India controlling our trade with not only India but with third countries. The result: our dependency on India.
Ashu wrote: Else, we can continue hating India, thumping our chests and belting out another cliched "bir Nepali" geet, while India -- that country of a billion people -- just won't give a damn to pathetic Nepal on its INEVITABLE march to more prosperity and more influence.
Let me correct you here: India has security concerns in Nepal. So, even a small happening in Nepal is of great concern to the Indians. They actually care a LOT about pathetic Nepal and if Nepal prospers, Nepal will make its own polices and won’t give adman about pathetic India’s (ir)rational security concerns.
If Nepal prospers then India will have to increase its defense budget.
Ashu wrote: How we deal with India -- for our national benefit -- is ENTIRELY up to us and us alone.
No, its not ENTIRELY up to us. Its 70-30 –70% their willingness to let Nepal develop, 30% how policies are made in Nepal.
Logical Sense, nice hisaab.. maths major ho?
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| nuts |
Posted
on 13-Nov-02 12:59 AM
IF,
kasto kuwa ko bhyaguto jasto aru kehi nasocheko/dekheko..india is 70%...nepal 30% re
wake up dude..it is people- like- your- mentality that is 90% responsible for whatever nepal is right now.
ghoda lai aankha ma lagaunchha ni kunni ke bhanne ...ho...tyahi lagako jasto. frickin feel like hammering your thinking where it matters..
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 14-Nov-02 12:40 PM
Hey LS JI!!!!!!!!!!!
Speak for yourself hajur!!!
I don't hate India!!!! I went to boarding school in India, my mother regained consciousness in the Hospitals of India, my purwaj came from India, And I hope to Die in Benarus, if not Bagmati!!!!!!!!!!
I LOVE INDIA!!!! After Nepal and US!!!!! Please recalculate hajur!
Kyaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!! Critical analysis pani nabujhibakseko ni!!! Criticize and Critique ma Logical pharak cha ni!!!!!!!!!
:S
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| Logical Sense |
Posted
on 14-Nov-02 01:05 PM
Lau lau Sitaraji Pani Out (she fall in the category of 2 and 3)!
And there were 'FOUR' - Gang of four!
:] Sitaraji peace hajur! Yo Analysis ko arko naam "shuttle satarie" kya!!!
- iti
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| Deep |
Posted
on 14-Nov-02 01:11 PM
Ashu,
"..while India -- that country of a billion people -- just won't
give a damn to pathetic Nepal on its INEVITABLE march to more prosperity and more influence. ...
How we deal with India -- for our national benefit -- is ENTIRELY up to us and us alone. "
Pathetic Nepal? It is a Nepali saying so- for Indians. Well done.
If India does not give a damn to PATHETIC Nepal, then what the hell does it matter to India what our damn national benefits are? What is upto us? even that ENTIRELY?
MY GOD!
Nepal is not Pathetic. Not for us. Not for them (I hope). But how can you speak their mind if you think that's what you are doing?
Just wondering.
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| Suna |
Posted
on 14-Nov-02 01:19 PM
Sitara:
Thank you
:) For giving some credit to boarding schools in India.
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 14-Nov-02 01:58 PM
Suna...
:)
I am a proud, "confused" product and an offspring of parents of indirect colonization from Britain.... ! Hey, I speaketh English don't I???????
Learning "English" was/is the thing/rage.... To Have or NOT to have the Means to send one's children to a boarding school is parallel to Having or NOT having the means to send your child to US!!!!!!! ONLY the parents know the sacrifice they make!
What has that to do with LOVING or HATING India????????
A mute, baseless, point without logic! Thrown out there just for the heck of it!!!
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| kalankisthan |
Posted
on 14-Nov-02 02:05 PM
Sitara Jyu,
hazur ko maahabaani, nabhujhe ke mahabaani?
"Learning "English" was/is the thing/rage.... To Have or NOT to have the Means to send one's children to a boarding school is parallel to Having or NOT having the means to send your child to US!!!!!!! ONLY the parents know the sacrifice they make! "
bhanya ke? math ma kura garya ki physics lagako ki chemistry ghusako? kehi bujhe ta tyahi zen pond ma dubera mari jaam!! Yesto confuse the I was life ma sirf ek palta. Janmyaa din. sombaar sanjha 5 baje!! confuse garauna bhayena ni.. mero dimag ko taar sitar ko jastai paatulo cha ke...
kyaa naam chaine distub...!!
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| Suna |
Posted
on 14-Nov-02 02:09 PM
ummmm Sitara
Are you feeling okay?
I ask this as a genuine question please don't pounce on me, I'm feeling frail and fragile these days! :)
Fragile keep uptight!
;)
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 14-Nov-02 02:50 PM
Suna hehe!
All of my 25 germy children have dropped like flies; one by one....so I am home taking care of them!!! Feel like Mother Goose at the moment reading Sajha's postings as well as working on my assignments: Guess what!: Colonial Education in British India and Japanese colonization on Taiwan!!!!!!!
Bingo!!! ask me how I can theorize so well on this subject.... have read enough on the subject ni! :)
Kalanki ji
And a Namaste to you too! dui haath jorera, hajur! Mero ta Darshan mani ni! :)
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| Suna |
Posted
on 14-Nov-02 03:04 PM
Colonial Education in British India made me ;) into a makai baba and a kali memsahib :)!! Or so my baba used to say to me..
Germy kids - tell me about them...germs I would welcome anytime compared to moody teenagers! Thank you stars you're just a mother goose and NOT a wicked witch like I feel sometimes...all I have to do is buy a broom...have the tall hat!
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 14-Nov-02 03:10 PM
Suna...
We DA Witchy WIMMIN!!!! elusive, illusive, wicked as hell????????
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| DHUMBASSE (DUMBASS) |
Posted
on 14-Nov-02 03:32 PM
Maile bhani haleni Hamro SItarako kura bujhna hatpati sabaile sakdainan, Dhannya bhagwan! timro lila!! ma matrai ta hoina raicha ni lastaaama...
maile pahila pani sitara dijju/bahniju/ bhaujyue/buharijue , aba keke jyu, keke juy ni , lai bhaneko thiye ,kahile kahi ta hamilai pani bichar garera yeso sajilo sanga bujhna sakne lekhi baksyos hai bhanera ..baaall dya hoina re kya ajha lastma..hehe :(
Tyesto sajilo sanga ZEN pondma dubna paune bhye ta ma ta mathi bata high dive dinthe , ani majale butterfly stroke ka sath paudi khelne thiye ..
Gosaikunda ma paudi khelya jasto huncha ..ke garne..re kya ajha jhan lastma...:)
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| oys_chill |
Posted
on 14-Nov-02 09:36 PM
LOGICAL Sense JI...i will speak for myself thank you :)
I am not hypocritical like other nepalis..so lemme make it very clear :)....
YES I HATE INDIA and MAYBE SOME INDIANS...the more i see them around me, the hatred INCREASES! and i don't have to give any RATIONAL REASONING!!
To make it worse, i do hate Nepalis who absolutely show double standard! at least my hatred is limited within myself, i don't practice like some of the fellas out here :)
If i have the right to love, I HAVE ABSoLUTE RIGHT To hATE :)
chill OYS :)
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