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| Biswo |
Posted
on 14-Nov-02 10:13 PM
I think it hasn't fallen yet.But, everyone is probably bracing for bad news to come out of Jumla.
Another coincidence was the news in Kantipur about the resignation of some SSP (or sth like that) of Rapti Anchal who resigned owing to the lack of 'ammunition' for the police.
In deed, police is considered to be ill equipped to fight against the rebels, who come in herds and attack ruthlessly. In the past, army , hunkered down atop the nearby hill, would look down the market, like a king of ancient Rome watching gladiators fighting in the arena, but now army is fully involved and spilling its blood.
Let's hope that number of casualties, of those who fight for the peace and prosperity of Nepal, will be low. Let's hope those who were shepherded to fight from their houses, their schools, in their teenage,against their will, will also survive, and witness the epiphany very few people nearing the death witness. Rapti Zone has seen a lot of blood already.
Amen.
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| Zero_creativity |
Posted
on 14-Nov-02 10:25 PM
Biswoji Welcome back !
Dheri Dukka lagdo kura....
Let's pray for low casualties in both sides, dubi tira marne ta Nepali daju ra bhai nai ho...Nepali didi bhani nai ho...... Let's hope peace will restore soon....I know it doesnt look possible soon but let's be positive.
Let's hope leader and other concerned person will give up their arrogance and do something for peace.
ZC
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 14-Nov-02 10:43 PM
Dear Zero_Creativity,
Thanks for welcoming me. I was around, actually.
I am not praying for those who chose to kill others, who had a choice and who intentionally opted to kill. I am rooting for those who were forced to kill others or defend themselves.
Yes, Marne ra maarne dubai Nepali hun. But, there is a difference, there has been a difference between the two, and that is a sad fact.Some were/are victims, and some were/are cold-blooded killers. Let's hope the innocent ones will survive.
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| wy |
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on 15-Nov-02 12:29 AM
Al Queda sympethysing ideologues do it again. When we just thought that some sense was flowing in the air we hear this news.... I hope that there are some Captains Ram Bahadurs there to kick their butt. (Sorry for the language).
A negotiated settlement and peace must prevail. But, this is not how we build trust. I hope that the brave soldiers don't let the Maoists overrun the posts. Importantly, I hope that the US and India would not listen to those who are trying to cut the military aid to the Army. Let the casulties be low. Peace!!!!!!!!!!!
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| protean |
Posted
on 15-Nov-02 01:25 AM
These Maoists seem to be either great propagandists, or strategists.
Some place there is news of Maoists possibly opting for peace. There was just this coverage on CNN ,where Mahara talks about the intent of his leader to hold talks.
Every time some of them are being covered in the media, a strong attack by the rebel either coincides or ensues.
Either they can not be trusted at all, or they've lost control of the lower cadres.
Whatever it is the, possible indication of Maoists holding talks is just rhetoric now. They want to intensify their attacks, increase their publicity on news media (freely), and spread propaganda to augment their terror campaign.
However, these ruthless and unwanted war that is being waged is just causing significant loss to the lives of innocent people. In addition, there is the pyschologial trauma and the loss of moral for all those who've to fall victims to the Maoists forced recruitment, and brutality wherever/whenever Maoists establish their strongholds.
Pray there are mimimal casualities!
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| protean |
Posted
on 15-Nov-02 01:28 AM
moral=morale
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| protean |
Posted
on 15-Nov-02 02:28 AM
http://www.nepalnews.com/
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| Paschim |
Posted
on 15-Nov-02 02:47 AM
"These Maoists seem to be either great propagandists, or strategists."
Protean, it is obvious that they are both. It's not either/or. In fact, propaganda is one of their great self-declared strategies, hoina? So what Janadesh is shut. They talked with Bindra from CNN yesterday. Last November, after the Dang raid, they spoke (in both Nepali and English) from Delhi to the South Asian bureau of the BBC via Rabindra Mishra.
Just read about these new attacks in Jumla and Gorkha. Kasto raamro mood thiyo aghi samma. Sab kharaab bho. Depressing.
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| jhilke kyailan |
Posted
on 15-Nov-02 04:25 AM
was wondering why the indian govt. didn't arrest him and hand him over to the Nepalese authorities.....didn't they say they would support the Nepalese in the fight against the Maoists?????
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| protean |
Posted
on 15-Nov-02 01:45 PM
Paschim,
I agree that they are being strategic about their propaganda of spreading terror.
And as both of us pointed, the news coverage about them seems to be timed with their impending attacks. They seem to give this false illusion of possibility of holding talks, but then go ahead and intenisfy their attacks.
The fact that they might already have a rift within their organization, their lack of sound objectives (at least nowadays), their rhetoric about bringing democracy, and the unwarranted violence that they have perpetrated, seems to suggest that their actions are more comparable to that of a disoriented & disillusioned lot rather than a very well organized revolutionary lot. These actions, would probably win them the small battles, but the legal and necessary war they've often alluded to.
Just the content of the CNN interview reveals that they are not sure what they're demanding and how they want to get it. And their comparision of themselves with Al Qaeda blows any well-thought out strategy to spread & promote the message of the revolutionary war (that they initially embarked on).
Strategic about disruption, but not enough for winning the war.
This is where they might be lacking in strategy, hoina ra? Those were my thoughts anyway.
It is very saddening to learn of deaths and destruction every day in our country.
When and how will it stop?
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| protean |
Posted
on 15-Nov-02 02:05 PM
Correction:
but the legal and necessary war = but NOT the legal and necessary war
but not enough for winning the war= not STRATEGIC enough for winning the war
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 15-Nov-02 02:21 PM
I don't know what one can possibly gain by attacking a fort, leaving behind corpses of hundreds of his own comrades and looting a few lakhs in return from the local banks?
What is the benefit gained from all these beside making this unequivocally clear for all that they are cold-blooded warmongerers?
Btw, does anyone know if this DSP Bijeshwari Ghimire is the same guy who was supposed to be 'fired' from his job because of his involvement in smuggling currency in TIA a couple of years ago? I thought Mr Ghimire was fired from his job.
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| gbncorg |
Posted
on 15-Nov-02 02:54 PM
I doubt that the Maoist Insurgency in is in control of top Maoist Neta-s . If it is already out of control of Maoists Neta-s, it will be worthless to held aTable Talk with Maoists.
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| gbncorg |
Posted
on 15-Nov-02 02:55 PM
shit, typo-s...........
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| Deep |
Posted
on 15-Nov-02 03:15 PM
Maoists only listen to guns!
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| NK |
Posted
on 16-Nov-02 01:19 PM
Depressing, totally depressing.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 16-Nov-02 02:00 PM
I see no reason for any more dialogue. Dialogue, in rebel's lexicon, is a sign of the government's weakness, not a willingness to talk with each other for peaceful solution in this unfortunate situation. They, as Deepji said, listen to only guns. And they want the whole world to listen to only the guns.
Yes, NK, it is depressing. And personally, long time no see hai?
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| MP |
Posted
on 16-Nov-02 04:13 PM
One of my friends said yesterday on phone that Maoist might give a really hard time to this government by disrupting the supply of electricity in kathmandu valley including all three major cities in the valley. According to him, (it may be just a humor) they might have been planning to blow up "Kulekhani Jal Bidhut" (Kulekhani Hidro Power).
We know that the police force is almost incapable to deal with the rebels. However, they are in their duty and they protecting themselves at least (unfortunately, they were incapable to protect the innocent teachers and other civilians).
I hope RNA can wipe Maoist out. If RNA has to give up, we will loose our sovereignty at some extent. At that time, Indian Army may step in the country. It will be shame on RNA.
Amen..........
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| MP |
Posted
on 16-Nov-02 04:17 PM
One of my friends said yesterday on phone that Maoist might give a really hard time to this government by disrupting the supply of electricity in kathmandu valley including all three major cities in the valley. According to him, (it may be just a humor) they might have been planning to blow up "Kulekhani Jal Bidhut" (Kulekhani Hydra Power).
We know that the police force is almost incapable to deal with the rebels. However, they are in their duty and they're protecting themselves at least (unfortunately, they were incapable to protect the innocent teachers and other civilians).
I hope RNA may wipe Maoist out. If RNA has to give up, we will lose out sovereignty at some extent. At that time, Indian Army may step in the country. It will be a shame on RNA.
Amen..........
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| MP |
Posted
on 16-Nov-02 04:20 PM
Sorry, that should be read "It may be just a Rumor".
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| Paschim |
Posted
on 17-Nov-02 12:14 AM
Biswo -- on your query about DSP Bijeshwor Ghimire who was killed by Maoists in Jumla, yes, he is the same man who had been suspended from the Police force after being implicated in the illegal funneling of Indian currency notes (of Rs. 500 denomination) at TIA. Ghimire et al. had appealed in the court and I think he was re-instated into Service last year. He comes from Makaising Village in Gorkha.
This man was also stationed in Chitwan during the 2046 Jana Andolan, and played a most brutal role in suppressing the pro-democracy movement there beating up and torturing many Nepali Congress activists -- some really old, respected folks, some of whom I know come from your locality in Belsi. I remember people talking about the "notorious" DSP even years after 1990.
I don't know him; but from what I heard, he was not a pleasant man. But I am still very sorry for his family that he died at the hands of even worse criminals in Jumla, while defending the state.
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| Junu |
Posted
on 17-Nov-02 07:58 AM
"He comes from Makaising Village in Gorkha". He was my neighbor.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 17-Nov-02 11:27 AM
Yes, Mr Ghimire got real notoriety in 2046 (and in subsequent years too) in Chitwan. The most brutal police officer he was at the time. It is probably not the best time to remember those things, though.( We remember good things about deceased at least for the first thirteen days, traditionally. ) He was a police inspector at the time.
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