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| kewl |
Posted
on 15-Nov-02 06:25 PM
I came to US few years back and I still dont understand American Nepali living in USA. I think I am really dumb and wish I was smart like them too...But Prabhu ko lila....I'm not.....
I once went to function organised by American Nepalis. Only topic there was about "democracy" in nepal. How King "murdered" Nepali democracy..and he sacked one of the most "efficient" Nepali PM Sher Deuba...
Let me say one thing here...American Nepalis are here (I'm not saying all..but) because they realised that there is "nothing" there in Nepal, its no use living there...Now how come all of a sudden these guys are concerned about their "country"..country which they left because they thought it was useless..nothing can be done...Simple..if you are so much concerned about your country..go to Nepal...work for democracy and explain all those "GREAT" ideas and your concepts to Nepalis living there...,,,,If you are concerned..GO THERE.....else you dont have any rights to talk about nepal......
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| jeevan gurung |
Posted
on 15-Nov-02 06:33 PM
Kewl:
I agree with you. That's all there is. Bunch of those who have nothing better to do other than bitching all the time. They are one scared to face the reality. They think Democracy will fall from the sky.
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| kewl |
Posted
on 15-Nov-02 06:39 PM
Jeevan ji..
At least you understood me..
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| Logical Sense |
Posted
on 15-Nov-02 08:00 PM
Jeevan Gurungji and kewlji,
Once upon a time I had similar views, but, rahanda basda, wisdom ayepachi, Gadha Pachisi Uttikherai Naghepachi Bichar Arkai Hundai jancha....
I wish things were that black and white.
For one, not all Nepalese are here because they think there is nothing in Nepal. There are many reasons why people are here. And many people are very actively DOING WORK in Nepal and their country of residence together without even talking BIG. Most people genuinely love their motherland, and given the opportunities would go back to Nepal or invest into Nepal's economy. Also, lots of technical know how gets into Nepal. Have you heard how many Nepalese have started joint ventures in Nepal? Which is good thing.
Have you analysed the contribution of Prabasi Jews in Israel? Israel is in existence just because of American Jews, it is a fact everyone knows. When Goldamair came to US in 1947 she declared 3 dollars in JFK, but when she left US after few months of collecting funds from American Jews she declared that she is taking back FEW MILLIONS to build Israel a newly formed country.
Also, do you know why Indian economy suddenly turned around? You know why the Kargil war was averted? There is lots of contribution by NRI's in that country (I am not saying it is only NRI, but lots of ). Government opened door for NRI investments in banks like ICICI which gives 7% interest in depsites. Suddenly foreign cash strapped Indian economy is booming. Do you know why Bill Gates just gave 100 million dollars to India for AIDS prevention? It matters a lot. 100 million is lot of money, if you think US gives only 150 million per year to India and 100 million from one individual is lots of money.
So, please dont' get boiled over 'SIMPLY TALK'. I know your frustration, but, if you don't even talk then where do you get ideas? If you go to many Indian Association meetings that also sounds like simple talk but they do get lot achieved by talking.
But, as you are thinking I wish there are more tangible talks. Like we should start 'Political Lobyst Group'. We should also send petition to Nepalese Governments and Maoists for the sensible negotiations.
We should Unite and make more noise so that the noise reaches to Rolpa, Dolpa, Dang places like that. We should be able to make our presence felt. That is important. Please let these talk going, but, influence them so that they don't just remain talk but becomes something fruitful.
- iti
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| MP |
Posted
on 15-Nov-02 08:01 PM
kewl,
Nepalese citizens, who are residing in US for temporary as a non-immigrant in US, have right to speak up about their concern in Nepal whether those are about Political, Social, Economical, Educational etc. In this point, I disagree with you. So far as you have concerned to Naturalized Americans (Nepalese), they have still right to speak up about Nepal. But, it is not just because of their family lives in Nepal. They still love Nepal and its sovereignty. They can not simply ignore any inhuman activity in Nepal. That is the reason all the Nepalese people around the world have spoken their concerning for the betterment of Nepal and Nepali.
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| protean |
Posted
on 15-Nov-02 08:26 PM
Kewl,
I don't know what kind of generalization this is. To label everyone by sampling a few cases is not very insightful and also not meaningful.
Ok, here are my Qs for you:
First,
How do you define an Amercian Nepali or a Nepali American?
Please be more specific. You're also a Nepali in USA. Do you qualify for this title?
If YES, then by your logic, you shouldn't also state such sentiments.
Second, every human being is entitled to have universal right to express their view point. There is no protocol that disallows that. If you've written it, please share it with us.
Third,
Just because ,Nepalis are here doesn't mean their hearts don't belong in Nepal. There are Nepalis here for different reasons. And they will be able to (if they chose to) contribute in their own way. You don't have to be physically present in Nepal to start voicing opinions and providing contributions (of any kind). There might be more possiblities of contribtuion if physically present there .I agree to that. But, there are different reasons some are here for, and there contributions can't be negated.
Just look at examples with the Indian community ever since the times of the Gandhis and the Nehrus. So, I feel that it is good to be aware of ways THAT one can be involved in issues pertaining to Nepal provided that the concerns are genuine and positive. Yes, I agree that being condescending about Nepal is not very constructive.
Therefore, I think that it is not fair to generalize everyone and coin a label.
We should be able to put forward our views of Nepal--no matter for whatever reasons that we're here.
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| M.P. |
Posted
on 15-Nov-02 08:30 PM
Well said, Logical Sense.
Rest,
Let us not over-generalize things here. Some Nepalese in America talk about Nepal because they ARE worried about Nepal although there could be an equal number of Nepalese who talk about Nepal for the sake of doing so.
Just because some people who talk about Nepal have decided to stay in the US does not mean they are showing fake patriotism.
Bhawadiye,
M.P.
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| rabi |
Posted
on 15-Nov-02 10:11 PM
Kewl:
You make perfect sense, and then you don't.
You hit right on target writing about Nepalis dutifully organizing yet another "... Democracy ... Nepal..." functions. It's an annual ritual for some, long on rhetoric and short on original thought or action. It's mosltly vain talk that's apparently therapeutic to the speakers, less so to the audience, and total waste of breath for the Nepali populace.
But I beg to differ with you that prabasis can't think/talk about Nepal. The problem is not that they show concern, but that they show nothing but concern and most of the time it does not even educate or motivate anybody.
It's an ancient ("thotro"?) concept that when you cross political borders of Nepal, you surrender your concerns and your rights behind. Iv'e heard this one before, and this is a totally loser concept that robs Nepal and Nepalis of this precious capital--overwhelming goodwill, specilized skills, and significant clout of Nepalis living beyond Nepali border. I am right with Logical Sense in this regard.
In this century when mightiest of the nations can't afford to be isolationist, why are you bent on disowning these people based on where they are living? These people are natural parts of the nervous system that is the Nepali conciousness.
Why can't someboy love Nepal, care about Nepalis and leave Nepal to pursue some dream?To gave some education?To work? Or just to make ends meet? And still love Nepal and care about Nepalis? How's that a sin? Why does that bother you?
-rabi
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| lonely |
Posted
on 16-Nov-02 12:04 AM
Kewl ji,
sabai lai generalize garnu bhayena..sabai nepal ma kaam napayera ya aayeka hun jasto malai lagdina...dherai holan but not all. And you should not say that everyone speaks about nepal just to show off or anything like that.there are people who are really concerned about how things are going in Nepal.
I am not interested in politics but then I want to know what is going on,...and things there..I don't want to live my all my life here, I want to go back and contribute something for my country..no matter how small it might be.
I still remember:(not sure about the exact words)
"Pati bhakit ta mardaina chhuthai pati bhaye pani and desh bhakti ta mardaina chuutai desh bhayepani.."
And not to forget:
"Janani janma bhumisya swargadapi gare yasi.."
J bhane ni hunchha ...what's there in a name ..re kya..
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