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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 15-Nov-02 11:27 PM
Dear All, please, spare your time and dedicate it on Santosh Pant who has been given ultamatum. This thread is started upon reco of WY. Santosh Panta heads to be next Mohan Khatri: read KOL for full texts.
Panta added that he had met Maoists for his programmes. “When I show the brutality in killing a teacher, it is the way the Maoists do it.”
Replying to Maoists’ ultimatum to quit the army, Panta said he would not do so since it was just an honorary post. “If they think killing me would help their cause and if my death facilitates peace then I am ready for the supreme sacrifice,” said Panta.
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I salute with my hat off, to Santosh Pant for his guts to stand on what he does and he will continue even with the threats. It will be Gandhi style. It is the only way to defame the Maoists.
Last Saturday, I saw a movie on animal, chimpanzee, the trainer lets the young chimpanzee to bite his hand, though its painful, the trainer does not retreats his hand. Finally, a situation comes when chimpanzee feels that his opponent is strong and is not going to run away just by bite. This is how Chimpanzee test their enemies or opponents. Chimpanzee finally retreats back whenever the trainer offers his hand.
Now, we need to deal Maoists in Nepal in the same way. Because maoists are now running terror, Mahara and Baburam claimed that they were successful in running the terror and close Nepal last week. Iif we are afraid, their terror campaign will speed up, becdause they want to come to power by terror, as we all know. But, we can only portray them as evil through going ahead, do what we think is not bad, but, our right allows us to do it. Gandhi style, get punishment and give mental punishment, let the world know. We as publics should not do armed struggle against maoists (let it be job of RNA) but, we need to go ahead with unarmed struggle as taught by Gandhi, after a level they will have mental pain, and strain. It will be of course regrettable that we will be missing these great peoples like Mohan Khatri, but, in long run we will be proud of them.
Give your thoughts.
Aru Pachhi.
HG
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| wy |
Posted
on 15-Nov-02 11:37 PM
Thank you HG.
No matter how many bombs Arafat explodes, the Israeli government is not going to cave in. In fact, he has been losing ever since he gave up the Camp David offer. I sympathize with Arafat for his struggle, but he has utterly failed to show a leadership to spare his people all the hardship of the last several decades. Terrorism should not be allowed to profit. No matter what the cause is, exploding bombs in a disco or a mall or on top of a statue killing a poor woman will be considered terrorism.
The Maoists, who started out as Robin Hoods, suckered in the innocent people into their noble causes, got some kudos from the general public, but then started showing their true colors afterward. What a gutsy statement Pant!
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 15-Nov-02 11:45 PM
What I read somewhere is "Tolerance is the engine oil in society, that lets society move smoothly".
You can imagine the society, Maoists will have if they ever get chances.
HG
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 15-Nov-02 11:49 PM
Let me add one more:
Maoists will put engine oil in gasoline tank and gasoline (petrol or disel) in the engine oil tank. You can imagine the vehicle.
Aru Pachi
HG
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| ashu |
Posted
on 16-Nov-02 12:14 AM
When are we all going to realize ONCE and FOR all that:
The words and phrases
"dissent"
"disagreement"
"diversity of opinions"
"we can disagree with one another but we don't have to kill/murder/threaten one another on account of our disagreements"
"everybody has a right to their beliefs, even disagreeable beliefs as long as they do not harm others"
"we can't tell others how to live their life, nor can we dictate to others what jobs they should do and should not do"
These are the phrases and words . . .
Again, when are we going to realize that these phrases and words simply do NOT exist
in any Maoist dictionary NO MATTER how gentle/articulate their words at times appear to be?
The Maoists can come to the table to negotiate, to discuss, yes.
But let's have no illusions that everytime they don't and won't get their way, they'll simply stand up and start threatening to others: "OK, then, we'll go back to the jungle,
if you don't do this and that", and thus basically force other parties to succumb to their
whatever demands.
That's gonna happen.
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In the name some UNCOMPROMISING ideology, Babu Ram and Prachanda have unleased such an evil genie that by now that genie has grown up to be all the more blood-thisrty . . . and that hundreds more Nepalis are going to die/get killed
in coming weeks and months before the genie gets put back into the bottle . . . before the pace of development in Nepal is pushed back by 50 years or so.
As an open-eyed realist who hopes to be ;proven wrong and wrong, I see that either way we are in for long, long innings of violence -- one way or the other -- in our sundar,shanta, bishal maatri.bhoomi.
In full support of Santosh Pant's statement.
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| Deep |
Posted
on 16-Nov-02 01:00 AM
Why would Maoists leadership give in ? What they have now is their accomplishment of a long "struggle". What is the leadership doing now? Who are dying everyday are some poor recruits whose dreams are scattered around in dead bodies now but the dream that the leadership has is still intact.
Snatch the dream from them....the top five or top three...then you will see how they talk...how they switch their rhetoric.....killing 118 Dhan sing Rokka and Ful maya Tamang will only help nourish the dream of the leadership. The army and police will lose...certainly will lose if they just keep killing any maosits.....look for THE Maoists. Politics is nothing but "the" game for power. Losers won't give in easily.
Runnig away from a mad dog will only encourage the mad dog, passive resistence will not be any less risky either. Neutralize the mad dog. Either execute or resign or sing a bhajan.
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| bajai |
Posted
on 16-Nov-02 05:11 AM
we are all aware of the adverse effects that the heinous maoist acts in nepal has had on people from all walks of life.
but do the people initiating it and their followers- who propel forward their propagandas-realise that their inexcusable acts has already had a massive impact on how nepalis once lived, thought, dreamt?
when, if ever, will enough be enough? when they've turned every hard working nepali into reckless, bank-robbing,infrastructure-demolishing, ruthless killing machines without either a future for themselves or for the nation as a whole?
who would hate his/this country so much? who would benfit from such complete pandemonium?
Santosh Pant's courage in speaking out against the nation's plague, that are the so-called maoists, is commendable.
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| Arnico |
Posted
on 16-Nov-02 06:43 AM
I join in saluting Santosh Pant on his courage. HG, very good starting points for the thread!
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| ashu |
Posted
on 16-Nov-02 06:54 AM
The worrying thing about the Maoists is that they seem -- as Krishna Mahara's CNN interview showed -- frighteningly, (for lack of a better word), sincere and determined
in their beliefs.
If Mahara, a senior leader, thinks that way, then one can only imagine the amount of propaanda that is entrenched in the minds of those junior Maoists who do the killing
and the dying, across Nepal . . . in Jumla, Gorkha and all those places, just recently.
It's almost impossible to negotiate, to deal with such fierce single-minded zealots
who are prepared to risk everything and die for their "cause", even it means destroying/wrecking everything and killing everyone, and justifying it all in the
name of some revolution.
Like I said earlier, we'd better wake upto the fact that Babu Ram and Prachanda have hijacked LEGITIMATE public complaints/concerns (see most of their demands) and have ABUSED those demands as a cover to launch their own war to go on to exercise their own raw, naked lust for power . . . in the name of the janata.
The evil genie is out of the bottle.
And Nepal has changed forever.
Our elders' generation spent their lives -- either in, in-between or out of the
Panchayati frame, with a brief taste of democracy for a few year, before Nepali Congress-led kleptocracy kicked in and made everyone else nauseous about the very idea UNACCOUNTABLE democracy.
It's fair to say that our generation (25-40) will spend our lives -- either in, in-between and out of the Maoist frame, for a long, long time to come
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| NK |
Posted
on 16-Nov-02 01:15 PM
Does anybody know what the game plan of the Nepal government is? What are their counter offer so to speak? Is the government keep on sending troops -only to be massacarred? Is that the only answer they have? Send more and more troops to fight them? What are they saying vis a vis how to deal and solve this Maoist problem? (where can I find answers?) Are they still in denial that the Maoist "revolution" is swallowing up our country little by little, minute by minute?
Yup, the genie is out of the bottle.
And of course, I support Pant.
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| SIWALIK |
Posted
on 16-Nov-02 01:29 PM
Hats off to everyone/anyone who stands up for their conviction against injustice and inhumanity. Remember Swasthani bratakatha--Sleeping Vishnu's earwax creates two demons who he has to fight... Civil strife in Nepal is a result of its past practices or political marginalization of substantial segment of its own people. When violence starts it kills many innocent lives. That is the fact of life whether one likes it or not. Like a fire in a forest, voilence in society consumes our innocents, but feeds on our complacency and refusal to realize the gravity of situation when there still is time....unfortunately we took things lightly when we still had time. Now is the time to learn and find ways to be a united house, not a divided. Lives will then be spared, inncocents will not be sacrificed, and normalcy can return--Peace and progress. Could this be the darkest hour that will bring a new dawn? It could be if we have the courage to seize the opportunity. Me thinks!
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| ashu |
Posted
on 16-Nov-02 07:25 PM
I don't think people are complacent about the Maoist problem in Nepal.
The government just doesn't know what the hell to do.
I think the word is: stymied.
No one seems to know just what to do next re: the Maoists.
And the Maoists are taking advantage of this lack of focus/this lac of clarity
with their single-minded determination to wreck infrastructures, to kill their "class enemies", to rev up their propaganda machine and much, much more.
Though the Army jawans have been doing what they can, in the last one year, for better or worse, the Nepal Army too has been exposed for what it is . . . NOT as reassuring as people thought it was or would be.
Let's make no mistakes: The Maoists are masters of propaganda, and they know how to use information selectively to press for their points.
Sometimes, even as a supporting civilian, I shake my head at the obvious khattam-ness of our Army's counter-propaganda machine, and wish they could be doing an OBVIOUSLY better job in both gathering intelligence and running a relentless counter-propaganda campaign.
*******
On another note, everything people said would NOT happen in Nepal has been happening. At this rate, at some point, I would not be surprised to see some foreign Army coming to Nepal's aid to finish off the Maoists . . . thereby prolonging the
violence all the more.
I know the very notion of some foreign army ko soldiers marching into Nepal is distasteful . . . but let's be realistic: a lot of distasteful things have happened to this country in the ast five years, and now with everyone 's unable to make the move, things will only deteriorate, and it wll only be a matter of degree re: how distateful that will be.
Maybe the sun will come out then.
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| wy |
Posted
on 16-Nov-02 07:37 PM
Ashu,
I was wondering how people did react to the movement by some of those who are outside Nepal (mostly US scholars and professionals who generally have a left leaning on these types of issues) to stop US military aid to Nepal Army. I think it started somewhere in Wisconsin. There is an editorial in Nepali Times too.
How do people in Nepal view the Nepal Army? Do people respect them? Or do they find them morally equivalent to the Maoists? Are people in Nepal totally against the Army? What is the general feeling? Can you shed some light on it? The poll in nepaltimes.com shows about 65% in favor of military support.
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| ashu |
Posted
on 16-Nov-02 08:57 PM
WY,
Sorry, I cannot answer your questions, which, to be fair to you, do require verifably true and politically sensitive answers.
You know, I like sajha.com.
I am just NOT eager to be a "saheed" for it.
Sorry.
For now, I prefer limiting myself to pushing the envelope bit by bit, and making
GENERAL enough comments (which still can be "risky" by some people's
standards) here, and let that be that.
Meantime, I derive a lot of pleasure reading these reality-denying "yesto hoonoo.parcha; testo hoonoo.parch" sort of earnest, good-intentioned and
naive postings . . . knowing fully well that in Nepal, in reality, "yesto pani chaina;
testo pani chaina, to begin with".
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| bajai |
Posted
on 16-Nov-02 09:20 PM
while thousands of ignorant villagers are forfeiting their lives, causing incalculable losses to their own families in return, baburam's family is tucked away safely in Britain.
how many blind followers of baburam are aware of this fact?
can one's family be more precious than the others'?
RNA should exercise this fact to their advantage, a fact which counters the very preachings of the maoist leader, to give up any feeling towards everyone when it comes to working towards building a just society?
keeping his family's head above water when scores of nepalis are giving up their jawaanis for his cause is outright injustice.
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| krishna |
Posted
on 16-Nov-02 09:57 PM
Hahooguru,
Thanks for bringing Santosh Pant's dedication to defame maoists to Sajha. No doubt that the man has got great talents and is a wonderful performer full of humour wherever he goes. He is a genius and knowing him from very near, I have been his admirer. A kind gentleman who bring forths to screen the day to day lives of people, trying to educate lots. His programs are not only humorous but very educative. A glamourous guy with mind full of ideas. A spirited armymen with overwhelming trust and faith towards the people and the nation. Good lord!! he hasn't been in the Guiness Book of World Records for his numerous roles that he has performed in screen so sucessfully.
My hats off to you sir!!
Best Regards,
Krishna!
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| wy |
Posted
on 17-Nov-02 12:33 AM
Ashu,
Hmmm... fair enough...I guess!
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| lonely |
Posted
on 17-Nov-02 07:36 PM
santosh pant has done a good job, and we should all support people who are trying to fight the maoist.
But will it really be possible to fight like that???
People fear of the consequences of opposing the moaist ....very few people want to risk their lives for that...am I true???
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| khai_k_Vanu |
Posted
on 17-Nov-02 08:12 PM
For us it is easy to condemn Moists from our cozy seat using our computer. For a person like Santosh Pant, being a celebrity, everybody knows where he lives and where he works. Challenging Moist in this time and not cowing to their demands is very brave thing he did.
In Nepali a female teacher is called 'Guru Amaa' right? What do we call husband of 'Guru Amaa'.....hmm 'Guru Baa'? My salute to 'Guru Baa'.
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| nuts |
Posted
on 17-Nov-02 08:46 PM
>>For us it is easy to condemn Moists from our cozy seat using our computer.
well, everyone saluting him from sajha is not enough either.
I don't know, but how about the government providing him a special security provision or something for whatever he's given to Nepal.
Just a thought.
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 18-Nov-02 01:03 AM
I think seeking special security from Goverment for Santosh Pant is the Maoists win, its what they want. Santosh Pant will be easy target of Maoists, because Maoists want to prove that RNA can not provide you a security, this is what they there were trying to prove it. That will be disasterous to Santosh Pant. Now, we citizens should mobilize our own resources i.e. check /guard like we did in 1990. That is only the ultimate method left before Maoists are brought under control. The other one is to brng "threat message" into public discussoin and condemn from all peoples. Unfortunately, in Nepal, the human rightists e.g. PR Tuladhar will say "Maoists does not like disucssions, does not hear human right things, because they have not signed in .... balh blah .." and they don't have to follow human rights .... He might even further justify that threat on Santosh Pant is natural and justies .. Such evils do exists. Against them, we should unite and run a media war.
What I wonder "reading Bimarsha" that they interpreted that "Mahara said that Maoists are no like al Qaeda", but, in the english translation (I am not sure in which language Mahara spoke) of interview in CNN, Mahara even claimed that al Qaeda are not terrorists but its American Govt. that wanted to have war against al Qaeda and its unfair to call al qaeda a terrorists organization, and same with Maosits. I don't why the hell is there such twist from what Mahara really said.
So, our nepali news media are poor and they either don't read things carefully or they twist for their own use, because Bimarsha is Girja ko mukh patra and Girija might be waiting for some thing to drop from that "... big stuffs " from sadhe. So, I am worried that there is no one to save you. As Ashu says, its you to save yourself, and specially at time now when all civic groups are also corrupt and running behind money and power.
Aru Pachi!?!
HG
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| soulfree |
Posted
on 18-Nov-02 10:06 AM
Khai k bhanu,
Did you say "guru ama"?
Are you a vanasthali product?
Mr santosh pant's wife used to be our teacher when we were kid's. Of course in Vanasthali...
Soul
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| nuts |
Posted
on 18-Nov-02 11:07 AM
He resigned.
If you were him, wouldn't you ? < Re: family problems>
I would.
Love for family IS more than worth anything.
I still respect him for his decision.
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| utopian |
Posted
on 18-Nov-02 12:31 PM
Some may say it was cowardish of Panta to resign. But I do understand his situation and I think most of the prople here do as well. The burning question is though what prmpted our Maoist "the greats" to give him that kind of notice. Had he done something bad that might have triggered it or had he said something bad that might have made those people come to Panta.
I can see where government are struggling to take care of this problem. Maoists have. i guess, nothing to loose. I mean they are ready to give their lives for their cause (I don't know what exactly they are fighting for... Does anyone have their demands???). It makes me think that they have a great leadership, in the sense that so many people are following the leadership and are ready to sacrifice their lives.
On the other hand, army and police being governmental organizations, do not necessarily want to give their lives for the sake of country. And especially, when the leaders on the government lact that vision and direction, why would they go and fight for no cause. I know there is a big underlying cause of eradicating Maoists, but they need to believe in that cause (more than personal and social responsibilities), before the police and army operations become more effective.
Maoists are using whatever means they can use to fight against the government. There are reports that say that they have been using anything from human shields to natural irregularities. I think the biggest chanllenge the government has is that they don't know who their enemies are (of course, except for some of the leaders).
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| mitra 2 |
Posted
on 18-Nov-02 01:14 PM
'Murkha sanga daiba darauchhan'. That is a wise decision. I would have done the same. Yes, family comes first. I respect him even more since he clearly mentioned where he stands about Maoists and their so-called war.
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| khyal_thatta |
Posted
on 18-Nov-02 01:57 PM
Santosh Panta in between Maoists, Government and the people of Nepal.
Since Santosh pant being a popular in National Television and long been in field of nepali entertainment business no wonder he did earned some fame and might be lil bit of fortune. But I think in today’s situation he should have stopped himself from appearing in RNA’s television programe, broadcasting the battle between Maoists and government. It could have helped him from being Bale ko Boka, but unfortunately now its too late and he doesn’t have no choice but to resign from RNA, and this is what exactly Maoists wants, to attack the government morally and let people see the clear, vivid picture of incapability of government. Santost Pant is no other than any other men, who walk in and out of his home alone without any personal security, so one can imagine how hard will it be for Maoists to clean out a person like Santosh Pant outta their way? There are people calling him coward or joke but, to understand him and his decision, one gotta get into his shoes. And this is the perfect example for those who think, “ Katmandu is still safe”. I was surprised to see many great artists like Prem Raja Mahat, Saroj Khanal, Rajaram Paudyal, Sunil Uprety and many others migrating to US, but now I think they made a smart choice. I won’t be surprise to see Madan Krishna and Haribamsa living in United States in coming days.
May Peace Prevail in Nepal!
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 18-Nov-02 09:21 PM
This is called.
.End
I still respect what Santosh Pant said. He still did not resign for 3 or 4 days. He brought the news and issue on frontline. That should be respected. There are 100s of top level politicians who pay money to Maoists from backdoor. At least Sanotsh Pant spoke clearly what is going to happen to him, if he does not resign.
Question here left behind Santosh Pant's resignation is?
Who is next?
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