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| Biruwa |
Posted
on 18-Nov-02 12:49 PM
When Santosh pant stood against the maoist threat I really appreciated him. After all, I thought, the people who had given him this honarary post had done justice to the post.
Unfortunately Santosh pant turned out to be a turncoat!
On another note, if ppl like Santosh pant living in Capital are now so afraid of Maoists then what can we expect from the village people? It seems it is only the matter of time that our country will disintegrate and lawlessness reach its full fledge. :(
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| 101702 |
Posted
on 18-Nov-02 01:02 PM
Who are you to say that? What would you do if your life and your family's life was threatened? Don't try to be a hero. If you are really a hero and brave, why don't you join the Nepalese army and fight instead of critisizing Santosh Pant. Personally i don't know Santosh Pant, but I would have done the same thing too. Am i a coward? Maybe i am, but i am selfish too. I want to live and I want my family to be safe. Instead of opening your fat big mouth and criticizing other people, maybe you should fight? My first guess is that you are in US. And if i am wrong with that, like I said maybe you should join the army.
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| kewl |
Posted
on 18-Nov-02 01:13 PM
Well...
after all Santosh is human being too.....first comes your life and money...If your life is secured then its more fun to talk "big" things, about the country and corruption... ..hoina ta santosh ji...
and by the way mr. 101702 ...u must be the some follower of some rotten NC or UML.. u don't even know how to reply/read other comments...
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| jira |
Posted
on 18-Nov-02 01:17 PM
" if ppl like Santosh pant living in Capital are now so afraid of Maoists then what can we expect from the village people? "
Mr Biruwa Ji!
Who do you think Santosh Pant is, an armyman with talisman in his whole body? , a bullet proof soul ? Interms of securing himself and his family, he is in the same position like other nepalis no matter where they are. Can you tell your parents to kill every M*** F*** maoist if they ever dare to come to the window for donation ?
Jathabhabi boldinay Biruwa ji! bhayena ni yo ta rey kya ajha last ma....
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| krishna |
Posted
on 18-Nov-02 02:20 PM
I agree with Jira, Kewl and 101702. Santosh Pant is a good character who brings into screen the deeds of Nepalese people trying to educate many. His serials are educative, humourous and to the point. He has contributed a lot to the Nepali samaj and he deserves a top most position as being a sachha Nepali. Like any person, he has a wife, two sons, his parents live with him too. Mind you, his wife doesn't work and his sons are still going to school. So the responsibility of being the only earning man in his home is so much so that he has to think of his family too. The pressure is there and when the responsibility is there for the taking, I am not amazed that he resigned from the army post. We should at this transition, not criticize, but support him for what he has done is a great thing.
Biruwaji, you questions should be, Has the government put forth any attempt at his security?? Like any citizen, were you there to speak up when 2000-3000 policemen resigned because they were transferred to mao affected areas. It is natural for a person with family to take appropriate actions towards their families welfare when threatened to be killed. We have known the consequences of what the maos can do when not agreed to their demand.
The way he has been performing in the screen for such a long time, he atleast deserves appreciation and not hate. Lets support him!!
Krishna!
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| cardinal |
Posted
on 18-Nov-02 07:52 PM
One should pursue openly what one is good at. Santosh panta is a great comedian so let him keep hiis comedian job. I don't think he would have left the army had he been a great sharpshooter instead.
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| Aludai |
Posted
on 19-Nov-02 06:51 AM
'Murkha dekhi daiba daraunchha'. This saying has been verified by Santosh Pant's actions.
This also means to say that he is an ordinary human with family just like anyone else.
It is not easy to find ' a to be martyr' and they come once in 100 yrs.
It would be naive to blame anyone in this instance.
It is, however, precisely the way terrorists succeed in their propaganda war. Many buddhijibis believe Maoists are supported by India.
I think it is a great misfortune on our part to have India as our neighbour in addition to being landlocked.
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| batauli |
Posted
on 19-Nov-02 07:13 AM
Santosh Panta is just like one of us. He is not a leader-figure, and he is not a civic-activist. He is just an artist by profession. He has his own views, opinions and stances, which he is entitled to change as circumstances change. We know him, we like him, and we are his fans because he entertains us. Does he ask us to agree with him? He could care less..
Also, remember he lost his son/daughter long time ago in an accident. He would take whatever necessary precautions to preserve what he has. Why should he have to become the poster boy for our outrage towards the Maoists?
For once, can we all respect the choices Santosh Panta has made, and just move on?
batauli
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| thepeacekeeper |
Posted
on 19-Nov-02 07:50 AM
In all likelihood, Santosh Pant put up a brave face in front of the media but later had to submit to his family's wishes. He isn't foolish enough to deliberately say one thing in public and attempt to do the opposite later. Before we bash him, let us not forget that most of us would've resigned in a heartbeat.
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| vision |
Posted
on 19-Nov-02 08:57 AM
Santosh Pant would have sticked with his decision had he been provided adequate security by the government after receiving such cowardly threat against a none political figure. Obviously, he did not recieve enough support from either the people or the government that he had expected when he made the gutsy statement. His decision to change his mind is a loss not just to Santosh Pant, but to all of us who would like to take stand against Maoists. Our government should be ashamed to not have provided enough backing and security, even after such high profile threat against a well known figure. Why don't we just give up against Maoists? Perhaps, lot more lives will be saved.
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| Biruwa |
Posted
on 19-Nov-02 09:59 AM
jira et all..
Santosh pant did turn out to be a turncoat, which is undeniable. I am not damning Santosh ji for his choice. I am just saying that it was a joke on his part to declare defiance against maoists one day and then turn coat the next day. Instead of that, had he just meekly accepted the maobadi's wish and left the post one day earlier then it would not have been so demoralizing to the people who wish to stand up against any terrorism.
His acceptance of maobadi influence received wide media coverage precisely because of his supposed defiance a day earlier. I still respect Santosh pant for his art. My favorite video music is "Bhutrukai" which he has directed. I also appreciate his talent in "Hijo aja ka kura" which he has carried on like an "energizer battery" .
However I am not comfortable with his decision to turncoat in wide publicity.
Peace Out!
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| bideshi |
Posted
on 19-Nov-02 10:53 AM
hey yea santosh pant is a human being and assume because of the family pressue,he resigned.I feel whatever he did,he did right as his life is imp too specially to his family and since there is no security in Nepal,he is forced to do that.But,what i feel is biruwa-ji wants to convey message in different waysWhat is the condition of commoner?.He is saying that when a public figure like him ,city oriented man is scared now for his life,then how about common,non public figures? But 101702 is a very rude person.He doesn't know how to accept critics.It seems he is santosh pant himself or his (like one of the actor in his teledrama who used to display rude behaviour in the character) and sometimes those guys displayed rude behaviour in the public too.k k na hun bhane bhawana kya!
Can't anyone put any critics on them?Who r they by the way?they say all so rts of things to the people and just for once can't they accept just few lines writing against them?Infact I wouldn't have comment here but why I am forced to write is in their teledrama they always make a lady(keti harulai) a fool.They disrespect the ladies.They want the people to think very low of the ladies.I feel ladies character in santosh pant drama has to be humiliated.He never learnt to respect the female.Anyway,let us not discuss about all those drama why can't anyone say anything against them?R they so supreme ?
But personally I fel santosh pant did right thing.Atleast for the sake of his family and himself.
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| DWI |
Posted
on 19-Nov-02 06:10 PM
Santosh Pant's resignation from Army service doesn't mean he is a lesser person now. Infact I think he added one more feather to his hat, apart from being Audacious, he is smart too.
That was the practical step to take, especially after seeing so many non-sense massacre by those 'third-kind.'
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| ashu |
Posted
on 19-Nov-02 07:10 PM
Santosh Pant's actions show -- despite his temporary barvado -- the kind of ultimately INEVITABLE compromises that one has to make if one is to live and work in Nepal in these troubled times.
Making compromises in Nepal -- however reluctantly -- is something that our irrelevant democrats living and working OUTSIDE of Nepal do NOT understand, continuing as they are with their pie-in-the-sky sort of ideological purity . . . that too, without risking anything of themselves, without putting themselves in harm's way, and pooh-poohing others in Nepal for trying to make the best possile decisions for themselves in these increasingly difficult and optionless times in Nepal.
Before one calls Santsh Pant a "turncoat", or a traitor, what options did he have?
a) Leave the country altogether and settle in Canada or New Zealand and then psh for democracy in Nepal?
b) Prepare to die from a Maoist bullet as another democratic "saheed"?
What?
More than the issue of Santosh Panth's being a turncoat, what I am worried about
is that even he -- someone who was on Army's payroll -- seems to take the Maoist
threat seriously enough to severe his connections to the Army.
I'll leave it to you to work out the implications of that.
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 19-Nov-02 08:05 PM
Indeed, it is a great challenge to RNA. Either they should step forward to give up. Santosh Pant instead of silently resigning from the post, he made it open, and he told to the public that "we are passing through a crucial time, wake up. Maoists are not "THE" human who respect ideas. ". Now, we are paying back for the respects people gave to the Maoists between 1996-2001 Nov.
Enemy's enemy can not be your friend, s.he might look friendly temporary. Divide and RULE is the rule of jungle, and the first loser is the one who is on the tail end in this chase and catch the mice racing game, that repeats in cycles. When the unluckiest find its way to hell, the others stop breath and watch on that poor how it is dying. Its just temporary halt, the cycle repeats. ....... Animal world. In our Nepal, as Ashu says, many escaped to Canada, USA, New Zealand to Australia, and watching from there, and asking those in Nepal to fight with hyena and defeat them, so that they can return safely and join them. They are telling it because, they know they are no losing anything.
HG
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| czar |
Posted
on 19-Nov-02 08:21 PM
If one has paid even scant attention to modus operandi of the communist movements around the world, its no wild guess how they will obtain their objectives.
Destory infrastructure, and engage in an orgy of death. Kill one, terrorize ten thousand. Pick a high profile target, say Santosh Panth, and without firing a shot, the commies demoralzed thousands. Easy, effective and inexpensive to boot.
Perhaps this highlights that the Maoists mean business in a most lethal manner. Its no accident or surprise that this 'people's revolution' has steadily widened in scope. Their plans weren't exactly drawn up on the back of an envelope. Rather, its the product of in-depth study of 70 years of revolution across the globe.
Most every tactic employed, or yet to be employed, against the civilian and military authorities have been field tested for effectiveness by their communist bretheren in the past. Each so called people's revolution has been closely examined for effectiveness by our home grown Maoists. Suitable modifications are tried out then implemented.
The Mao movement must decimate the ranks of the intelligentsia if it is to survive as a viable force. Military might alone goes so far, but to implement their vision of a socialist paradise requires that there be no opposing views. Views espoused by the burgeoisie captialists and their lackeys. Namely, scholars, teachers, the press, artists of every sort, writers, engineers, doctors, lawyers, the list is all encompassing.
Santosh Pant through his mass appeal can effectivly challenge the message of the Maoists. He could potentially pose a bigger threat than a garrison. This had to be negated.
It seems to me, them commies are just getting warmed up about now. The main act is yet to come. A chilling thought. As they say, you aint seen nothing yet kid.
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| lonely |
Posted
on 19-Nov-02 09:37 PM
I think what Santosh Pant did is not wrong. if I were in his place I would have done the same. Its not just Santosh Pant but he needs to think about what will happen to his famaily if he is killed or something like that.
Don't just blame someone so easily, he must have done it because he did not have other better options...
What does this indicate to the present situation in Nepal? I am more worried about this ....I was writing to one of my friend in the Army who is a chemical engineer about how he celebrated his Dashain...to my surprise, he had to stay in Ktm becuase, his family was threatned in the village saying that if he went back to the village, he would be killed..And his family members did not want to lose their son, so he had to stay back in Ktm...poor fellow..what do you think about this..
Nepal ko situation kahile improve hola..will it ever improve???really confused...
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| Monday |
Posted
on 20-Nov-02 04:27 PM
I will tell you why Santos Panta is wrong in this issue.
I agree he is a human being but he is not like you and me who can take decision on personal basis. He is a great public figure. Millions of people watch him. By resigning from the army post after his brave speech a day before, he agreed to the Maoist. I am not arguing that he resigned but he should have avoided the huge media exposure. More than 90% of people did not know that he was holding the army post, so he should have resigned it without being bad example to the public.
If person like him takes this kind of action being in Kathmandu, who will take a stand for the general public. Maoist will slowly, one-by-one ask other people to do what they want. Should they? They will go to schools and ask teachers to resign, should they?
With this action, Maoists are encouraged and will continue to do so. Therefore, PERSON WITH THE PUBLIC IMAGE SHOULD THINK ABOUT THE IMPACT OF HIS/HER ACTION.
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| Biruwa |
Posted
on 20-Nov-02 06:48 PM
Thanks Monday,
That is exactly what I am trying to Say! He is liked by many people as is well evident by the number of his supporters at sajha. Had he continued to defy the maobadis then other like him would also not be afraid of maobadis. Maobadis are not as yet as powerful as to be able to kill anybody they want in Kathmandu.
However by setting an example of weakness, Santosh panta has demoralised anybody who would have in future taken a strong stance against the maobadis. I agree that he is a family man. If his family is more important to him then ok I am not asking him to sacrifice himself for the good of Nepal. But he could have withdrawn without wide spread publicity. But surrendering with wide media coverage is only helping the maobadis who precisely want the same.
I am sure Santosh pant did not want to help the maobadis. But he should have calculated the repurcussions to the war that the common Nepali people are fighting every day and dying everyday. This decission by him will only cause more death not vice versa.
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| psychodreamer |
Posted
on 20-Nov-02 07:22 PM
Maobadis wanted him make his resignation publicly. Thats what i think and thats what truth is.
After reading Aludais line which is something like ..it will take 100 yrs for us to find a martyr again...i wonder what have we done to pay respect to the deeds of the martyrs who sacrificed in 2046 sal ko andolen.....
And why would santosh dai ,give up hi life for us kind of people who would never bother to realize that he once stood against maoist and so lost his life...
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| cardinal |
Posted
on 20-Nov-02 07:40 PM
Biruwa wrote: "Maobadis are not as yet as powerful as to be able to kill anybody they want in Kathmandu."
Yeah right! You know that don't you?
"If his family is more important to him then ok I am not asking him to sacrifice himself for the good of Nepal. But he could have withdrawn without wide spread publicity."
Being a public figure that he is, do you think he could have avoided publicity?
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