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| ashu |
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on 21-Nov-02 10:25 AM
What follows is taken from today's -- Nov. 21 ko "The Kathmandu Post" ko op-ed page.
Enjoy this for what this is worth.
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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Corruption and capitalism
By DR SHREEDHAR GAUTAM
The arrest of Khadka-Gupta duo has once again exposed the close link age between corruption and capitalism. There was initial euphoria over their arrest thinking that all corrupt and looters will be taken into custody and their illegally accumulated wealth will be confiscated.
But people should not be in illusion that such people will actually be punished Khum Bahadur Khakda and Jaya Prakash Gupta’s arrest should be taken something as an aberration rather than a usual feature considering the present socio-political setup. Without corruption, capitalism cannot exist.
In capitalism some become rich overnight at the cost of taxpayer’s money. Khadka and Gupta also looted the country as the system allowed many loopholes to steal people’s money. Capitalism thrives only because it permits possession of personal property at any cost. As long as the system allows to keep more than needed, there will be many Khadkas and Guptas to steal and loot. They have enough mechanism to cover up their clandestine deals. They are arrested only when the inner conflict within the ruling class gets acute.
Now Khadka and Gupta’s arrest has come in the context of growing crisis within the capitalism worldwide. By arresting some corrupt, rulers try to lengthen their net of corruption in countries where capitalism is in crisis.
Very recently, South Korea and Indonesia also came in news for arresting the sons of incumbent and former presidents respectively in corruption charges. But, the people of those countries realize the arrest of their president’s son is not going to bring any change in their life style. Their arrest simply reveals the deep-rooted net of corruption in capitalism. During the crisis time only such events come in the news, otherwise such cases are either suppressed or they never come to the knowledge of common people.
In India too government’s top ranking officials and politicians are arrested, occasionally just to give an impression that system is working. However, all such tactics are not going to work forever. Now the globalization policy everywhere has created new problems because this policy does not intend to destroy the feudalist order.
Capitalist everywhere has a narrow social base, as they compromise with feudalists for power. Moreover, the economic sovereignty of independent countries has been surrendered to institutions such as the IMF and the World Bank. Recently there were big demonstration in various countries including in many European countries denouncing the government’s surrender policy to IMF and the World Bank.
Just a week ago there was a demonstration in Canadian cities with the slogans "we want class war". Similarly, millions of people chanted slogans against the policies of globalization and capitalism in Italian cities like Florence and Milan. There are reports of discontent in Austria, Spain and Australia too. A month ago thousands of factory workers took to the streets in German cities opposing privatization of government run factories.
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| ashu |
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on 21-Nov-02 10:29 AM
Workers in Italy and Germany fear that they will lose jobs if the governments are not checked from pursuing privatization policies recklessly. Very recently a former Italian premier was accused of murdering a journalist exposing how the rulers can bow down to fulfil their nefarious designs. With the growing corruption and concentration of property in few hands, governments are becoming increasingly authoritative and arrogant. In our case too, when Khadka and Gupta were in power, they thought themselves as powerful as Napoleon.
Napoleon used to say that whatever he spoke was the law of the land. He feared no resistance from any quarter. Khadka and Gupta also misused the power thinking they would get away with the plunder of national property. But due to internal wrangling among the rulers, they are now behind bars. It is rather an attempt to show the people that things will turn for the better. However, we cannot expect any qualitative change in ordinary people’s life as long as individuals are allowed to possess unlimited wealth.
China has adopted economic reforms and achieved tremendous gains too, but it has failed to provide job and security to all people. During the recently held party Congress, new party leaders have once again confirmed that will continue the liberalization and globalization policy adopted by their predecessors. However, the majority of people are not reassured about their future. There is growing unemployment in China and further strengthening the capitalist policy will plunge the nation into quagmire.
In China too, politicians occupying high positions are found involved in corruption cases. To pacify the anger of the public, sometime these corrupt politicians are either sacked from the party or imprisoned. But, ultimately they will come out and resort to earlier partition. In Nepal too, it is only matter of time for Khadka and Gupta to come out and boast again like before.
As long as we do not go into the root case of the problem, the crisis will not be over. There are two ways to weeding out corruption from society. Firstly, people should be so highly aware and honest that they themselves shouldn’t possess more than they need, and give to society every surplus of what they have. All, including the top ranking politician and government officials, should maintain such a precedent.
Such a situation will materialize into meritocracy where no body gains anything at the cost of another. However, this is unlikely to happen. The only alternative left to us is to make effective structural changes in the government machinery to restrict the illegal accumulation of the property and distributes the fruits of development to all sections of people. The mechanism should leave no loopholes for any theft and corruptions. Some European countries, despite having capitalistic system, have kept the society free from corruption relatively by heavily exercising tax on industry products and government official’s annual income.
We can minimize evils of our system by brining about structural change, not by merely arresting and imprisoning some people. As long as the feudal structure is not demolished, smugglers and corrupt will not be scared away by occasional acts of arrest and imprisonment.
In India notorious thieves and dacoits win election from behind the bar. Hundreds of people accused of murder and theft get elected. All such things happen because the traditional structure helps these people to do what they want. Now it is for us to realize the vitality of eradicating the evils of our system to take nation ahead. As long as our system allows back door opportunity for corruption, all round development and prosperity will always be a mirage.
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| Arnico |
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on 21-Nov-02 10:32 AM
who is the author?
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| Biruwa |
Posted
on 21-Nov-02 10:37 AM
Arnico why do u think the article u pasted is bad? :-)
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| ashu |
Posted
on 21-Nov-02 10:40 AM
Obviously, someone who accepted some offer to do a PhD somewhere :-)
Such a joke aside, I think he's a professor of English at TU, but I am not sure.
Don't know him at all, though I have seen his artices in the Post.
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 21-Nov-02 10:52 AM
Ashu posted the article not arnico. But I think the article is terrible. Quite bias. What exactly is his definition of capitalism? Does corruption only exist in capitalism? Are corruption and capitalism are complementary to each other? What a lousy article.
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| isolated freak |
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on 21-Nov-02 11:05 AM
"Just a week ago there was a demonstration in Canadian cities with the slogans "we want class war". Similarly, millions of people chanted slogans against the policies of globalization and capitalism in Italian cities like Florence and Milan. There are reports of discontent in Austria, Spain and Australia too. A month ago thousands of factory workers took to the streets in German cities opposing privatization of government run factories. "
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Yes, there weree protests and in canda the protestors were holding playcards that read "we want class war" but the author of this pice forgot (?) to mention that:
They were protesting against the possible US attacks on Iraq. Nobody was fighting there for socialism. It was an anti-war protest (as shown on CNN).
"China has adopted economic reforms and achieved tremendous gains too, but it has failed to provide job and security to all people. During the recently held party Congress, new party leaders have once again confirmed that will continue the liberalization and globalization policy adopted by their predecessors. However, the majority of people are not reassured about their future. There is growing unemployment in China and further strengthening the capitalist policy will plunge the nation into quagmire. "
This is all j maan lagyo tyahi.. dude should have called me before he wrote this. Please refer to the "democracy in china" thread. (that is if you are interested)
"As long as we do not go into the root case of the problem, the crisis will not be over. There are two ways to weeding out corruption from society. Firstly, people should be so highly aware and honest that they themselves shouldn’t possess more than they need, and give to society every surplus of what they have. All, including the top ranking politician and government officials, should maintain such a precedent. "
China had this system but it failed miserably.
maile yo article ko main argumnet bujhina..
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| chasma |
Posted
on 21-Nov-02 11:08 AM
Ashu wrote:
"Obviously, someone who accepted some offer to do a PhD somewhere :-) "
Weak "chaaal" ashuji and shame on you. You are badly trashed in some other thread. Now relating this artical with *PHD* degree is completely different issue. If you dont care PhD, that's fine. But you can't disgrace and discredit this respected academic.
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| Biswo |
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on 21-Nov-02 11:46 AM
>Obviously, someone who accepted some offer to do a PhD somewhere :-)
It remains to see whether he or his 'bhai' lied publicly about his refusing to complete PhD from Berkeley too:-)
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| nuts |
Posted
on 21-Nov-02 11:51 AM
yup, english ma dum chhaina...
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| isolated freak |
Posted
on 21-Nov-02 11:58 AM
english jasto bhaye ni content nai chaina...
hypothesis k?
prove garna khojya k?
verification mechanism k?
maile college ma yestai yestai paper lekhera sabai kilas ma d pako.. sattee, no lying..
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| wy |
Posted
on 21-Nov-02 01:44 PM
Ashu wrote:
"Obviously, someone who accepted some offer to do a PhD somewhere :-)"
Here we go again!!!
Peace!!!
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| smr |
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on 21-Nov-02 02:08 PM
Decentralization and federalism: We also find that a decentralized system of government (eg, countries with a federal system of government: USA, Canada, Australia, Austria, Germany, South Africa, Malaysia) reduces corruption. The argument is as follows. A decentralized system of government diffuses power and authority, and the degree of accountability and checks and balances increase. A more favourable investment opportunities and competition arise through out the landscape of a federal system and the increased competition reduces corruption. On the contrary, a centralized system of government, as in Nepal, with its concentrated power and resources in the hands of a few party bosses, breeds cronyism and corruption. In Nepal, a sense of regional neglect and the powerlessness has gone on for too long reaching a new height, and this author strongly suggests, again, implementing a decentralized system of government (five regional governors and assemblies). Such an offer may even bring the Maoists to the negotiation table. Otherwise, if this conflict takes an ethnic turn as in Sri Lanka, Nepal will never recover from it.
Governmental role: This research finds that an increased level of regulation and restrictions (eg, price control and increased governmental intervention) increases corruption. Increasing government activity through rules, regulations, quotas and licensing expands the scope of bureaucrats’ discretion and power, and increases the likelihood of corruption. Such a rent-seeking behaviour inhibits competition and raises the transaction cost. Thus, less bureaucratic red tape and paperwork and more transparency in government projects are the keys to curb kickbacks and corruption.
External factors and competition: Finally, we also find that the external factors such as increased trade and foreign investment reduce corruption. Because, an increased export and import activity raise the level of market competition, which ultimately leads to a lower level of corruption. From an investor’s point of view, one main drawback of corruption is that it increases the cost of doing business due to bribery and kickbacks. As such, a good government has an incentive to reduce it to attract trade and foreign investment. Others have argued that western corporations have a healthy business culture that suppresses corruption. So, having a more interaction with the international agencies is also likely to influence the culture of a country in a positive way. The World Bank and the World Trade Organisation have also initiated anti-corruption pressures. Bush himself in Monterrey has recently urged many developing countries to curb corruption and has set aside ten billion dollars as an incentive package. Increased trade and foreign investment and the international voices are likely to force the policy makers to adopt measures (eg, more transparencies in licensing, quotas and other bureaucratic process) to combat corruption. Thus, openness and free market can only help reduce corruption.
To summarize, the purpose of this article is not to discourage the government from implementing the anti-corruption bills. These moves are essential to send a good signal, but a complete enforcement will be very expensive. Also, just a threat of possible prosecution, if caught, will not curb corruption. Public authority will simply do a cost-benefit analysis and will raise their "fees" for their services. Thousands of Mexican workers routinely take their chances to cross into US illegally despite numerous hurdles. Similarly, a much feared Internal Revenue Service (IRS) has not been able to stop millions form cheating on their taxes. The reason is that as long as there is some positive probability of a successful evasion with big rewards, people will take a chance to commit these deeds. Instead, the country must implement meaningful political and economic reforms so that the policy makers and the bureaucrats are forced to respond and operate within a set of given institutional parameters.
That is:
(1) The government should take steps to encourage more voters’ participation and increase electoral competition. The political parties themselves should adopt an open process to attract people with new ideas. The current practice of fielding candidates through a filtering process with a "ticket system" does not guarantee that the voters will have an opportunity to vote for the best candidates. On the contrary, the voters get turned off by many of these candidates and their qualifications, or the lack thereof.
(2) A decentralized political system must be adopted to curb the centralized power base. The country must think seriously about decentralizing its political structure by adopting a federal system of government.
(3) The government should be less interventionist and transparent so that the dealings involving public projects are out in open for everyone to see. The nation must engage in debates about these types of institutional reforms.
It is unfortunate that the current controversy surrounding the statement made by the Chief of Army Staff Prajwalla SJB Rana has taken an ugly turn. It is absolutely important to underscore that the job of a soldier is to be apolitical, fight wars, and defend the nation. Military intervention by the Army brass in countries like Pakistan and Indonesia should serve as an example to worry us all. Thus, it was not out of line for the political parties to notice it and register their concern. But, I wish we could see a similar zeal and performance (eg, disruption of the parliamentary proceedings) on the other fronts that are not self-serving.
In Rana’s case, it is entirely possible that he was speaking as a concerned citizen. Nevertheless, he made a bad judgement call by doing it within an army setting. He may or may not apologize for his statement, but he should be assured that a vast majority of the political leaderships, media, and the citizens is supportive and is grateful towards the Army and the security forces. The common people also understand the hardship they are facing in this costly and painful internal war.
(This article is based on the empirical results from a collaborative research done with Neil Mitchel)
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| smr |
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on 21-Nov-02 02:08 PM
This may be a better researched paper.
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Democracy, decentralisation and corruption
By DR ALOK BOHARA
Voicing against corruption and mismanagement has become a buzzword among the politicians and the critics alike. With a growing demand for a reduction in corruption and mismanagement from within the country, and coupled with a reactionary violent uprising, the government could not have been more predictable in setting up a one more so-called powerful investigative body. Although commendable, such powerful bodies have come and gone one too many times, and yet the level of corruption remains as high as ever, and, in fact, it has accelerated in the recent years. This article argues that these after-the-fact remedial measures alone will not make a dent in corruption without focusing on the institutional environment —fundamental political, social, and legal ground rules that establish the basis for production, exchange, and distribution (Douglas North). A singular focus on the punitive approach may be popular among the masses and the media, but the government must seek the long-run solutions.
The purpose of this article is to summarize some research findings conducted by this author, and to suggest some institutional reforms. To summarize, my empirical research findings suggest that the electoral competition, political participation, decentralisation (federalism), open economy and competition, and the deregulatory measures are key to curbing corruption.
The use of public office for private gain is an old phenomenon and many nations at various stages have suffered from it. In poor countries, corruption may represent a survival strategy for individual people, but with tragic outcomes for the society. If having a good set of moral values were the solution, a wonderful nation of Nepal and her good-natured Nepali citizens would have never been involved in such an immoral behaviour. But, corruption as we know it has very little to do with morality and it has everything to do with the economic and political framework that we operate in. That is, public officials make choices and render decisions by taking into account the social, economic, and legal implication of their actions. Establishing an anti-corruption body with a fanfare is just a piece in the puzzle.
Nevertheless, reducing corruption is essential to enhance productivity, efficiency, and to attract the international investment and the know-how. A society with low corruption will also help reduce public discontent, violence, and uprisings. It also helps build trust and social capital. Let me turn to the current question: What are the determinants of corruption? This author empirically addresses this question by using the cross-country corruption index data published by the Transparency International. I conclude with some suggestions.
I isolate three factors for the analysis to assess their influence on corruption: political institutions (electoral competition, participation and decentralization), external factors and market competition (foreign direct investment and trade), governmental intervention and the rent seeking activities of the bureaucrats (regulation and rules).
Democracy: We find that an increased level of democracy — political competition and participation — reduces corruption. This is consistent with the theoretical conjecture that an increased participation by the voters (through voting and other civil activities) makes politicians more accountable, and because of the fear for being voted out of the office and a possible prosecution, these politicians are less likely to engage in bribery and kickbacks.
Thus, an open political process is essential to encourage political participation. A growing discontent and pessimism in Nepal can only render harm to our young democracy. There must be a concerted effort to revert this trend. There are ways to encourage participation, and I present some examples below.
A ruling government should not be allowed to have a monopoly over the government resources, especially during the election time. A fair election fights give everyone a level playing field and will increase voters’ participation. An increased voter’s interest in the political process curbs corruption. Thus, the political parties and their bosses should work towards creating a healthy political culture of accountability.
Some steps can include:
(1) The Congress party can set an example by being a promoter of political stability and allow Deuba to serve out his term. Instability in political process and the institution enhances uncertainty, breeds corruption, and hampers economic development.
(2) A political party must allow dissenting voices within its rank and file. Remember, John McKain and George Bush are both Republicans, and yet they don’t see eye-to-eye on many issues. But, Bush will never even dream of taking any disciplinary action against him. Silencing differing views is undemocratic.
(3) The major political parties must look into their own constitution, and reform it, if needed, to make it more democratic and open. A party with a closed-club mentality will not attract the best and the brightest.
(Next ...)
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| smr |
Posted
on 21-Nov-02 02:09 PM
Sorry, the publication date was 2002 April.
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| smr |
Posted
on 21-Nov-02 02:16 PM
Here is another one on the same subject by Sanjay Prakash:
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Corruption and Good Governance
By Sanjay Prakash
The Kathmandu Post
February 25, 2002
Earlier, people earned to live; now they live to earn. Obviously, the transformed attitude has pushed the ethics of an individual out of its own reach. To achieve the sole objective of earning money, to satisfy their never-ending desires, people use short-cuts. Once the individual takes to the short-cuts, paved by fraudulent activities, he becomes deaf to the voice of his conscience. It is not that people are unaware of their acts but there is a basic difference between knowing a thing and understanding it. So ultimately one is trapped in the web of short-cuts or the all-powerful "money".
From the development perspective, corruption can be considered a two-way street so far as the donor and recipient countries interface is concerned. Very often scandals of graft have been disclosed. Yet, graft is not possible without collusion among giant private corporations and public agencies, foreign contractors, or consultants. Sometimes, such activity is associated with foreign aid. Foreign companies practically argue that bribery is nothing but one of the costs of doing business in a country. What can be done about these circumstances poses a challenge not only to the aid recipient government but also to donors.
This connection the recommendations for both recipient as well as donors are: simplify the rules, reduce unnecessary regulations, rely more on market forces, insist upon meeting the procurement and contracting standards; ensure laws that make it mandatory to meet auditing requirements, study audit reports, and pay attention to the manner in which the disbursements are handled. The World Bank has become particular about these points. Despite the above safeguards, the problems are still daunting. Therefore, donors have a specific responsibility to ensure that commercial considerations do not undermine good economic management in developing countries. Encouraging governments to come up with sound public investment programmes and priority is important. The donor's contributions can be meaningful if recipient countries are prepared to listen. In many cases, recipients blame donors when assistance programmes fail to achieve the intended results. This is not fair. It is the recipient country's responsibility to make sound strategies for aid programmes based on a comprehensive study beforehand. This calls for thorough homework that analyses and anticipates detailed end results.
Eradicating corruption at all levels in the Nepalese bureaucracy should become a basic concern for political leaders as well as bureaucrats. Corruption can be reduced by practising greater transparency. For this, the role of the people is equally pivotal. More importantly, people's support for eliminating corruption can be attained only when political leaders are deeply imbued with a sense of integrity, responsibility and sacrifice.
Recently, the donor community, on their part, raised concern over issues including crisis in governance, rampant corruption and poor implementation of development projects. They also urged the government to trim the size of the bureaucracy to reduce soaring government expenditure. The government's reform agenda rests on the commitments made at the NDF in Paris in April 2000. The proposed priority actions involve initiatives in macro-economic stability, civil service reform, anti-corruption initiatives, decentralisation, financial sector reform, private sector development, aid effectiveness and the role of society in development.
Sometimes corruption is home-grown but all too often international business corporations are seen to have bribed political leaders and public officials in other countries or funded political parties in a way which threatens the proper working of the democratic process.
The prime concern is with 'the misuse of public power for private benefit,' often called grand corruption. Grand corruption usually involves the giving of a benefit to a political leader or senior public official by a businessman in return for a decision in his favour. It is usually something that the leader should not do and that is also likely to be illegal.
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| smr |
Posted
on 21-Nov-02 02:18 PM
(Contd. from earlkier psositng on article by Mr. Prakash)
All acts of corruption exhibit the following characteristic: They involve more than one person, on the whole, they involve secrecy except in situations where they have become so rampant and deep rooted that some powerful individuals or those under their protection would not bother to hide their activities; they involve an element of mutual obligation and mutual benefit; those who engage in them usually attempt to camouflage their activities by resorting to some sort of lawful justification. They avoid open clash with the law; those involved in them want definite decisions from those who are able to influence those decisions; they involve betrayal of trust; they involve contradictory dual functions of those committing the act; and they violate the norm of duty and responsibility within the civic order. These acts can broadly be classified into three categories: extortion, nepotism and bribery.
There are those who believe that corruption has positive consequences for society. In many developing and least developed countries, for example, corrupt practices serve as a means by which the western inspired bureaucracy and administrative systems are reconnected to indigenous realities and adopted to the every day lives of the people. For one acts of corruption sometimes function as redistribute mechanisms which allow the disadvantaged groups in a society to gain access to and avail of the required goods and services from the government. They serve as means to assimilate into the political system those who would otherwise be excluded by the legal system.
For the most part, however, corruption is simply a means to cope with and survive the complex requirements and stringent impositions of an alien bureaucracy. On the part of the corrupt party, for example, bribery is simply a more efficient and probably much safer means of gaining access to productive and subsistence resources they need than committing acts of violent resistance. On the part of the corrupt civil servants, on the other hand, soliciting money or gifts from those seeking favours is far easier than applying for loans from their respective agencies.
The revenue service is more lucrative among the government services. As it has been said Kar ma basyo ghar baninchha. Bhansar ma basiyo bhane sansar baninchha (If you work in the Tax Office, you will build a house, while in the customs you can make your own world).
The negative effects of corruption on society as a whole far outweigh the short-term benefits it allows to some sectors of society, however. The undermining effects it has on the allocative and distributive functions of the state translate to undelivered goods and services to the sectors that need them the most.
Corrupt practices distort the distribution of opportunities in favour of the more powerful and more influential members of society.
If bureaucratic corruption is a coping mechanism that evolves out of the need to reconnect the bureaucracy to the realities of the day-to-day existence of people in society, how did it evolve over time? How can the social problem of corruption be resolved? First, we have to recognise that social norms and value systems are accumulated experiences of successful collective coping mechanisms over time. As such, they are more difficult to change just to suit an alien notion of what an ideal public administrative system should be.
This being the case, efforts should be undertaken towards reorienting government administrative practices to make them suitable to the prevailing norms and values rather than the other way round. It is only when the government bureaucracy could prove and assert its role as the protector of the collective sentiment of the members of society that efforts to address corruption could actually be more successful. As such the following strategy for controlling corruption can be recommended: honesty should flow from top down, and create an atmosphere under which the chances for indulging in corrupt practices are kept down to the minimum. While doing so, if there is corruption, the corrupt should be taken to the courts for punishment. Both curative and preventive measures should be adopted and implemented accordingly.
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| jeevan gurung |
Posted
on 21-Nov-02 03:05 PM
ASHU! So what's wrong with that. and what's new. This is nothing new. I dont think there is a perfect system. We have to try to make a best out of it. corruption and discrimination goes on everywhere.
There's too much discrimnation going around in Nepal. Look at the politician. Most of them are from one caste and they dont give a damn about other minorities. They treat like a shit. I think this is the prime reason our motherland is in a shit hole because of stupid netas.
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| HahooGuru |
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on 21-Nov-02 06:07 PM
Sabka afna afna unique samasya chhan. afnai guniyo bhitra jeliyeka chhan. I can not laugh more than after reading this line "Without corruption, capitalism cannot exist." after reading rest of the article, he tries to portray that communist regime is free of corruption. So, sad? Peoples live in Nepal and dream of Hell and Heaven.
You ask a chinese from remote village, s/he can tell you the corruption in communist china (i.e. at the Mao's time). There will be no corruption if don't speak, don't eat don't make a move. As I said before "absolute zero" or "absolute one" are both vague numbers, as long as you don'T give amount of error or tolerance. I got zero mark when I got x = 1, and said, x is absolutely 1. The reason the professor gave to me was there is nothing absolute, and he explained why it is not absolute? You take one Banana and the other banana, do you think these two are each 1 banana and replacable? Then, why two twin kids make a big issue on "tyo thulo ani yo sano". So, we call that banana as equal as others with a hidden number of TOLERANCE.
Corruption in capitalism is transparent, and detectable and dicussed, but, in communist country you know its monopolistic politics, how can you illude peoples that we have zero corruption. Its only invisible, because you don't let others to see it. .......... I am laughing at the quality and contents of Dr. SG. He is probably an advisor to our politicians..............
What a great joke?
Nothing is absolute. The highest result of education is TOLERANCE. The distinction between educated (I am not talking about perception: a person who is able to read and write = educated person..) and uneducated person lies in the ability to quantify an error and ability to manage the error i.e. tolerance.
Shreedhar Gautam might have Ph.D., but, he is not honest to the society, because he is hiding the truth.
HG
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| ashu |
Posted
on 21-Nov-02 06:35 PM
O-e chasma-ji,
You know what, I very well anticipated SERIOUS remarks like yours when I posted that "line" above which I said was meant as a -- hello? -- JOKE and nothing more
than a joke.
Go back and read what I wrote.
I then also anticipated that a few others, including our own Biswo, to jump
into the bandwagon, to say the same thing to me -- DISREGARDING the
fact that I meant that as a joke.
On a larger note, why is sajha so boringly predictable these days?
First, we had this wave -- led by Miss Sitara's "hajur ka hajur" postings -- of writings
that were sugary, syrupy toward one another.
Now one cannot even honestly say that such and such is meant as a joke :-)
Surely, come on, life is not as serious as one encounters on sajha, right?
Biswo, some of my best friends in Nepal have doctorates.
So, you can relax now.
*****
SMR, many thanks for providing the antidotes to Gautam's article.
oohi
"stirring the sajha pot to make it livelier for all"
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 21-Nov-02 06:54 PM
"stirring the sajha pot to make it livelier for all"
Ashu the Professional Provocateur!!!
And the The Torch was lit at Naipaul's thread (....Naipaul the professional provocateur: started by Paschim!), got passed on the Paramendra and now to Ashu ji!!!
:)...It seems only I got your joke Ashu ji!!!....Sorry no verbal charm here! Cross my heart ! :P
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 21-Nov-02 09:27 PM
Ashu,
:-) sign at the end of my statement dekhnu bhayena hajur? That was to denote what I said was also meant as a joke. Can't I reply a humorous remark with another humorous remark, Ashu DAI? :-)
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