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| Rastaman | Posted
on 10-Dec-02 09:19 PM
Everytime I look at the posts and read lots of pros and cons about the present political situation. All intelligent people seems not to look at the big picture and good for the country. Besides none of you intelligent people seems to have talked to the people that makes the both sides.you all say that we have had monarchy always and was always suppressed and we have had democracy only for a decade.Yes I agree . But I would like some answers to some questions that the people asked me. Yes we have had Bureaucracy at Panchayats time that was bad.BUT we did not see lots of ministers or their sons driving in Pajeros and Prados during those times. At least some things used to get done for the general people.Have you looked at all the leadears we had during democracy? I know a Khardar who is quite a low level bureaucrat who had DVD long time before anyone else. And those people get paid like 6000 rupees. How do you explai that to the common mass? And how do you explain that all them people come from the same class or caste of the society? I bet you dont have any answer. And how about any big projects during the Democracy . We can not even name one. All the projects that are going on now actually are from the Monarchy time. It is just frustrating why these people who said they were good leaders wanted just to fill their pockets. Maybe the King will do something and at least some things will be done for the poor people. Maoist guys and their problems are totally economic. It is just a sad picture and here we have had all those Girijas and Sharmas just filling their pockets when at the places where those hungry young guys were listening to maoists.What does those ministers need one crore rupees living rooms for when general people were going hungry. At least that did not happen that bad during monarchy considering the comparison between those time and 21st century. So just look at them and think on it |
| Garibjanata | Posted
on 10-Dec-02 10:59 PM
Why are you accusing the corrupt politicians of post panchayat period only ? What about the panchayati era people? Were they Mr. Clean? Mahendra and Birendra institutionalized corruption - only their lackeys became prosperous while the majority wallowed in poverty.Birendra's secratarys drove around the town in Mercedes cars. His secratarys like Chiran Thapa and Narayan Prasad Shrestha must be multi-millionares. Mahendra's secratary Lok Darshan Bajracharya is a arabpati. khali mahendra ko tyam ma napugera Lumbini Bikas Kosh ko head huda he looted crores of rupees. I heard from some relaible source that he owns thousands of bhiga of land in Lumbini. PMs of Panchayati time, like Kirthi Nidhi Bishta, Surya Bahadur Thapa are multimillionares.They were born dirt poor. Go and see kings' Hajuraia Generals,look at the wealth they have amassed.Go and meet people like Rajeshwar Devkota, Jog Meher Shrestha etc. etc. and smell their ill-gotten wealth. I can go on and on and on and fill 1000000000 pages with the KALO KARTUT of the panchayati era. LASTLY, YEH! YOUR KING WILL DO SOMETHING-TO PERPETUATE THE RULE OF HIS CLAN, HE WILL MAKE YOU IDIOT HIS SLAVE FOR KINGDOM COM. |
| Deepak Bista | Posted
on 11-Dec-02 06:31 AM
Dear Garibjanata, I would not like to get into debating with you who is corrupt and not, however, I thought, Rastaman was really saying what you were asking. Let's have an open mind rather than seized mentalilty (meaning you think is absolute and others not). This is my two cents' worth. Yours sincerely Deepak |
| jhilke kyailan | Posted
on 11-Dec-02 10:09 AM
Bistaji, Rastaman Are you advocating the centralisation of power within the same group of people who have ruled Nepal for the last two-hundred years????? Do yu think it will be better for us....???? |
| Vision | Posted
on 11-Dec-02 11:08 AM
Why we shouldn't listen to our democratic leaders: First the UML leader Makune: 1. When Girija was PM, he claims he can not work with his government. He refuses to co-operate and demands his resignation. 2. When Deuba was PM, he was against every move Deuba makes, criticizes his work ethics and refuses to cooperate, stands against the declaration of emergency and demands his resignation. 3. Now that the king has taken power, he is busy organising rallies and other rubbish against the monarch and the interim government. He demands power back to the poeple Now the mightly Girija: 1. When He was PM, he (now) preaches constitunal monarchy 2. Does very little to resolve maoists crisis. 3. He closes his eyes on sky rocketing corruption 4. All the development agendas including the ones that began during panchayat era comes to a complete halt 5. Finally forced to resign mostly from the pressure from his own party members. 6. When Deuba becomes PM, he makes no effort to help his government, instead makes every effort to disrupt it, criticizes his work and asks for his resignation and successfully forces him to dissolve the government 7. Now that the king has taken power, he is busy organising rallies and other rubbish against the monarch and the interim government. Now he is against the constitunal monarchy which he had always peached, and raises his voice for republic state. These clowns have made absolutely no contribution to the development of the nation. It is clear they have no intention of putting the country first. They are too busy pulling each other's leg. No political parties (including the ruling party members) have ever come into an agreement with the government in place. They simply can not work with each other, even when the country is close losing its sovereignty. |
| Rastaman | Posted
on 11-Dec-02 12:07 PM
Garibjanata, You do not get my point. I am not saying that the Panchayat era people were clean. And you are comparing them with the present Ministers. Firstly those ministers were not there as a result of a revolution for the change of the system. Do you get that? They were the product of Monarchy and I do not think their misdeeds were comparable to present Leaders of yours. Just look at the RNAC. You do not look around and study. RNAC and Thai airlines started at the same year with exactly same numbers of Planes. To be exact they had the same aircrafts like DC3s. Can you tell me why RNAC went down during the Ministers of Democracy. Tourism which is the biggest economy of the country did not do any better during your Ministers time. In fact in the last decade not a singe thing was done to improve tourism. Everything economic was and is being done by the private sector. Those ministers of yours that we elected for the people did not do a single thing for the poor. Like Vision said what have we got so far from your ministers? Besides you did not answer me why the lowest level of Bureaucracy has crores rupees of Houses which we did not much see during Pancheys time. |
| Garibjanata | Posted
on 11-Dec-02 02:36 PM
Rastaman, I don't have time to counter yr accusations.I'll get back to you on Saturday. Briefly, regarding your comparison between RNAC and Thai Air,first I want you to compare between the Shah kings of Nepal and the Rama dynasty kings of Thailand. Compare Bhumibol Adulyadez with Mahendra,Biraendra and Gynanendra. Monarchy ko time ma development bhaeko thiyo- MY FOOT. Also I want you to know that I am not a supporter of any of these post panchayatis chors. I am an ardent follower of democracy that's all. And democracy has nothing to do with Girija and Marija. It was people like us who voted these scoundrels to power, so we should be equally held culpable for the current debacle. About lowest level beuros during Post Panchayati period amassing immense wealth , I want to give some panchayati time examples: Some Gimere was a kulli in RNAC around 30 years back.Later he became Arabpati and owner of Natraj Travel agency. One Pant was a chota-mota officer in Khadya Sansthan during Panchayati time. HE ate lots of GUS and he was suspended. Now that guy is a Arabpati.He owns some TNT building near the airport. Some Pandey was Nepal Telecommunication ko head. He filled his stomach with Gush and so did his subordinates. One telephone line was sold for 60,000 -1,00000 Rs. Mr X,Y and Z were GMs of Gorkapatra Sansthan. The only thing they did was eating GUSH.Go and see the dilapidated condition of Gorkha Patra Sansthan if you don't believe me. Mr. X was in BhumiSudhar(under Secretary),he did his own sudhar by freely occupying lands worth crores. Dr. Pandey, Dr.Jha etc.were Royal Physicians-they got lands worth Crores of rupees as Bakshish (behind Singha durbar) Regarding DEMOCRACY, I don't think we ever got democracy.It was a farce. I have to go to the bathroom now . Constipation bhaeko cha. I'll get back to you on Saturday. |
| HariyoNepal | Posted
on 11-Dec-02 05:55 PM
Garib janta: I dont know the perfect system that would solve our problem. And I dont care which system come & go. For all I know, we had only 2 system: Panchyat and Democracy. Our nation was safer, progressive, people were positive minded and future was secure in Panchayat time. Best of all, we did not have a Maoist problem and every youth did not have to run out of country to get a job or save his own life. Now in the democracy, we are seeing a hell in the present time. Now, you dont need to tell me all theories and rules. I am just looking for a simple, safe and respectable life. So if I were to compare, I would definitely choose the earlier one. Like I said, I dont believe any more in the theories or else. Whoever provides security, prosperity and hope is good enough for me. Jai Nepal |
| Garibjanata | Posted
on 11-Dec-02 10:07 PM
HARIYO NEPAL,U ARE RIDING ON PANCHATYATI TIME MACHINE & U ARE BACK TO THE PANCHAYATI AGE: WELCOME ABROAD: RULES OF THE PACHAYATI PLANET: 1) GET RID OF YOUR TV- DUNIYA SHOULD NOT TRY TO EXPOSE THEMSELVES TO WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND THE WORLD; SUCH EXPOSURE NARROWS THEIR PERSPECTIVE AND POLLUTES THEIR MIND. 2) SEND YOUR CHILDREN TO NEPALI MEDIUM SCHOOL- NAYA SIKSHA YOJANA IS THE NO. I EDUCATION SYSTEM FOR NEPAL- WE WANT TO CREATE A CLASS OF HIGHLY EDUCATED AND COMPETENT PEOPLE WHO CAN HARDLY SPEAK AND WRITE ENGLISH. 3) YOU HAVE TO SING THIS SONG" Biswa ma aglo himala, Kakha ma hamro nepala, Hamro Raja Thula chan, Hamro Desh Nepala 4) ONLY CHILDREN OF LACKEY CLASS ARE ALLOWED TO GO ABROAD FOR THEIR FURTHER EDUCATION WHICH IS BEST FOR THEM.FOR THE REST TRIBHUVAN UNIIVERSITY IS THE BEST.I'LL GIVE U AN EXAMPLE OF KUL CHANDRA GAUTAM- Right after completing high school, Kul took the TOEFL, the SAT and college entrance exams for U.S. colleges in Kathmandu and secured excellent results. He had applied and gotten admission with full scholarship at Dartmouth College in New Hampshire, USA. But because he had obtained the scholarship directly through his own efforts, rather than going through His Majesty’s Government of Nepal, and perhaps because he was an ordinary village boy, not related to any prominent Kathmandu families or senior government officials, he could not obtain a Nepali passport to travel abroad. Disappointed but not discouraged, Kul persevered and obtained his passport 2 years later. Meanwhile, he had enrolled himself at Tri-Chandra College in Kathmandu and obtained the I.A. diploma in first division ranking among the top students in the nation. To earn his living, he worked as a part-time translator at the USAID mission in Kathmandu. And although he was only a high school graduate he gave private tutoring lessons to college students to supplement his income. ( http://www.heematrust.org/kulgautam/Kul-biography.htm) LASTLY,I CONSIDER PEOPLE LIKE RASTAMAN, DEEPAK BISTA AND YOU HARIYO GU( this gu name befits u, don't dare to add my mother nepal's name from now)AS DEAD PEOPLE.I DON'T WANT TO WASTE MY PRECIOUS TIME WRITING TO CORPSES. |
| Rastaman | Posted
on 11-Dec-02 10:27 PM
Hey Garibjanta, You sure dont get the point. Do you? You are blinded by theories. Democracy is the best system of Government but you have to see if it is for the right people. In Nepal it is just for the Bahuns! and I hope you dont disagree with I. It is the fact and no one can deny it. This is because of the social system. Democracy does not work in all social systems. Why dont you look around and broaden your mind. Give me a one successful country in Africa that worked well getting monarchy. Just look at the African countries. South Africa is so powerful and rich where all the next door neighbors who has as much resources or more than South Africa. That is because there are people like our leaders there .South Africa worked well because it had whites. We have already seen Democracy work. What about Chiranjibi Wagle? Sujata Koirala? Any Answers? Your leaders, Koirala, Sharma, Adhikari, Prajapati,Banaspati, all shit pati and they tell they are the highest caste. Bleeding country Dry. |
| Garibjanata | Posted
on 11-Dec-02 11:18 PM
WHY ARE YOU LOOKING UP TO GIRIJA AND THE REST MARIJA CLAN? WHY DO YOU STILL CALL THEM AS 'LEADERS'? ALL THESE SCOUNDRELS WHO U HAVE MENTIONED ABOVE SHOULD BE GIVEN THE HARSHEST PUNISHMENT FOR COMMITTING TREASON AGAISNT THE NATION.IF YOU ARE A TRUE SON/DAUGHTER OF NEPAL-RISE UP AND ASK FOR JUSTICE. MOREOVER, RASTAMAN, U YOURSELF CAN BECOME A LEADER IF YOU WANT AND IF YOU TRY.IF INDIA,the cradle of hinduism can have MUSLIM PRESIDENTS( Zakir Hussein, Fakruddin Ali Ahmed and the incumbent Abdul Kalam) and DALIT PRESIDENT( K.R. Narayanan) and DALIT P.M.( Jagjeevan Ram),why can't Nepal have a Rastaman elected to the high post? |
| HariyoNepal | Posted
on 12-Dec-02 09:13 AM
Garibjanta: yours point is well taken. But U sound like one of lose_s who live in the world of imagination. Just becuase u r in the US or somewhere does not mean you should expect Nepal to be same. May be you dont know the reality of what is happening in Nepal. People like you are th one who gets fooled like by the netas we have. If you want to know a true feeling of Nepali, ask any taaxi driver or riksawala in KTM and ask them what do they want. They will give you an straight answer. If you are man enough, face the reality. Dont wait for the opportunity to knock on our door. thrive in competition. then you will understand what I mean. By the way, it makes no different to me whoever comes as long as there is peace and security. But I dont think you will understand the realism of what I mean and what is happening in Nepal. |
| Rastaman | Posted
on 12-Dec-02 01:17 PM
Garibjanta why dont you understand? You live in the USA and compare the book version of Democracy. Hariyonepal is right you should go and ask each one of the real People of Nepal like farmworkers and Rickshawallas and Taxidrivers. For you and I it looks good because we can put points forward but what have we had in all those years with different leaders on Democracy? It would take at least 6 generations to have working democracy in our society and culture provided if the economic situation is good. That means there is little chance. You Garibjanta seem like you have been affected badly by the loss of those societys class of people for whom democracy was working well to fill their pockets. Have you ever tried to get a taxi licence in Kathmandu? or get extension on tourist visa or get a grass cutting permit? You look like you are hurt because without democracy there will not be your people who can get kick back off from Lauda Air or several things. It is not that they did not have a chance? Every government that came and went did not seem to make any difference for the real people of Nepal. So open your eyes and listen to I da Rastaman. |
| Rastaman | Posted
on 13-Dec-02 04:31 PM
Where is Garibjanta? |
| Rastaman | Posted
on 13-Dec-02 08:22 PM
Garibjanta, You still dont get it do you?Again you are comparing India with our Nepal. If we can compare then tell me when did India have their roads built and the railroad? Besides you dont know that President is just a figurehead in India all he is good for is hanging out at Rashtrapati Bhawan and saying yes.I pity you. As I have said we had every kind of your leaders. Maybe you should get elected |
| littlejhonny | Posted
on 14-Dec-02 01:08 PM
the problem wiht nepal is that in thses 10 years the true leaders which nepal has produced are in wrong side of law . and if i see any light in future .. it would be cause of our present king. and about koirala family .... i think the only person who has made honest money in koirala family is manisha " that also she could only manage staying out side the country " (if breast implantation is still considerd honesty) joke apart i think it is us the educated people who have not contributed much to out nation to develop. i see so much hatered toward india by some of our friends... cause they think it is indians who do not let nepal grow. IF we look back at are history 1950 india nepal treaty says that nepal can produce any thing and sell in indian market. and what did we nepalies did ....... we saw the tax difference of raw material and other goods in india and nepal which ever item had less tax imported that and smuggled it back to india. the recent example could be ghee industry where in india the import custom was 35 % where as in nepal the import tax on it was 5 % so in last 6 years we saw so many ghee industry opening up in nepla and all of then made tons of money .... well now that india reduced the import duty the whole ghee indusrty is in verge og shutting down so all i want to say that instead of taking advantage of situtaion and openign some valuable indusrty of the nation .. our politician have produced the whole generation of summeglers .... look at japan today after 2nd world war american did some what same treaty wiht japan and today they are market leader in technology and science. secondly when will we nepali will stop pity our self ......... ok we are between two giant counrty ..so can nay one do any thing about it by crying it out . if we are in between two giant country take adventage of it and use it to the best of nepal. thin about it if nepal was only made the transist point of these country . how much money nepal could make out of them. secondly no matter how much we abuse or hate indians out whole tourism indusrty was run my indian tourist. thirdly if we just concentrate in hydro project our whole economic and maoist problem will be sloved as so many people from vilages will get employed think about and pls give your comments |
| Rastaman | Posted
on 17-Dec-02 11:08 PM
Hey that is what we are talkin about . All the democratic people with same kind of faces coming from the same kind of people all them ministers in last ten year with all those educations did jack. It is not I and I that did it it is them political people of yours. Hey dont blame only the prime minister it is all them minister with certain facial features or genetic features with higher education than you and I that did it. So for common people nowdays (like rickshawallas and taxidrivers) they have lost faith in Democracy! Because of your so called educated bhasan giving leaders who sucked their blood more than the Raanas did. Do you understand I ? Do you look at that or just talk from your bench. Since the Democracy how many Ministers and Secretaries and beaureaucrats we had and what did they look like. Them people certainly did not look like I and I. Them people were certainly more learned than I. Is there a single name among them that you can say that did something noteworthy for I and I? |
| Rastaman | Posted
on 18-Dec-02 12:01 PM
Garibjanta finally got it in his head. Jah Live! |
| suva chintak | Posted
on 18-Dec-02 01:29 PM
Dear Garibjanata, with due respect to you, please let me differ with you on several countrs. This is only an intellectual exercise, please do not take it as personal difference. 1. If you want to keep arguing and justifying that since the Panchayat period leaders and bureaucrats were corrupt, we must expect the same from the current democratic leaders and bureaucrats, I have nothing to say. There is simply no logical response to such an assertion. Such an assertion would, however, take awar any moral justification there was for the people's movement that achieved the change from Panchayat to democracy. Do you see my point, if the character of the past and the present leaders is not going to different (except in terms of rhetoric), what was the need for the change? By holding both the past and the present rulers to the same yardstick, you are unwittingly admitting that there is no substantive higher purpose for democracy. To put it simply, it is not right for the democratic leaders to say that we are corrupt because the panchas were also corrupt. Where is democracy there? 2. You don't give good logic or evidence to counter the example of the fate of RNAC...you just ask the rhetorical question "Is Birendra same as Rama King of Thailand"? What are you trying to say? Of course they are different people, but what does that have to do with the fate of RNAC and Thai Airways during the past 40 years? Come on Garibjanata, you will have to offer more than this kind of fury and anger. We have enough of that in the country today...instead we need more reason, compassion, and logic. 3. When it comes to comparing the Panchayat and democracy, you just dismiss the main difference: during 12 years of democracy 7500 people have been killed, thousands have been maimed and lakhs of people have been displaced from their homes as refugees. What is your answer to this: or will you simply repeat Dr. Baburam Bhattrai's revolutionary dictum that "it is ok if millions of people are killed in a true revolution." Again, if that is your line, you have to live with your conscience. But as far the difference with panchayat goes, during the whole 30 years less than 300 people were killed. If democracy is about the respect for human life and welfare, this basic fact says it all...we don't have to beat around the bush. 4. Just curious, you have used a pen name of 'Garibjanata.' I understand your sentiment to identify with the Janata. But it is hard for me to understand your choice of 'garib.' You are obviously living and earning in USA, you have access and time to sit at the computer, you have good English. Relatively speaking, you are socially and economically better off than almost 95 per cent of Nepalis. In fact you are part of the elites, whether you like it or not. The garib in the economic and social sense does not fit your description...so are you referring to some other kind of garibi...like intellectual? No offense though, In peace! |
| Vision | Posted
on 18-Dec-02 05:40 PM
Suva Chintak, your last paragraph is totally funny. And again, no offense to garib janata, but he does have a lesson to learn from it. On a serious note, it is no time to argue whether the panchayat era was better than democracy. Instead we should focus on our present crisis and work towards finding a solution. It is very important we show support to each other, and even more importantly to our current government and the king. We can get out of this mess only if we work with each other. Too many political parties, many different views, all wanting power and most importantly, our inability to support each other have left us with this mess. And if we still don't learn our lesson, our future is bleak. Unity is everyhting! |
| Deepak Bista | Posted
on 18-Dec-02 05:57 PM
Dear Suva Chintak, Poverty of mind is the worst kind of poverty one can have. Deepak |
| Vision | Posted
on 18-Dec-02 06:11 PM
Garib Janata says, RULES OF THE PACHAYATI PLANET: 1) GET RID OF YOUR TV- DUNIYA SHOULD NOT TRY TO EXPOSE THEMSELVES TO WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND THE WORLD; SUCH EXPOSURE NARROWS THEIR PERSPECTIVE AND POLLUTES THEIR MIND. Correction: It was in Panchayat era in 1965, that radio Nepal became capable of boradcasting nationwide. It was in Panchayat time, in 1985 that Nepal Television bradcasted its first telecast. Hongkong based Star TV was allowed to broadcast in Nepal during the Panchayat time, hence the MTV, VH1 and alikes were viewable for the first time Garib Janata says: SEND YOUR CHILDREN TO NEPALI MEDIUM SCHOOL- NAYA SIKSHA YOJANA IS THE NO. I EDUCATION SYSTEM FOR NEPAL- WE WANT TO CREATE A CLASS OF HIGHLY EDUCATED AND COMPETENT PEOPLE WHO CAN HARDLY SPEAK AND WRITE ENGLISH. Correction: I don't know about the level of education. But schools were there, and more importantly, they stayed open. Perhaps the english teachers weren't as effective, but there were damn good maths and science teachers. Why is english so important? Look at the Japanese. Schools are good only if they are in session. |
| Vision | Posted
on 18-Dec-02 06:16 PM
Deepak Bista Ji, Sorry to intervene ...about your statement to Suva Chintak "Poverty of mind is the worst kind of poverty one can have" I do not comprehend. How does it relate to our discussion? Perhaps, you can clarify. |
| suva chintak | Posted
on 18-Dec-02 06:32 PM
Vision, Salute to you Sir! I was touched by your last line: "Schools are good only if they are in session"! I think this one statement says all about the useless controversy whether Panchayat was better or Democracy was better. I find it simply outrageous for the Maoists and their supporters to talk about the people's right to education...after they have killed hundreds of teachers, burnt down dozens of schools, and closed down every primary school to university in the country! Come on, everybody who cares to verify the fact knows that all the elites in the country, including Baburam Bhattrai and his privileged gang, send their children to study in the best schools in India, England, and the rest of the free world. The only people who send children to schools in Nepal are mostly middle and lower class people. So by closing and destroying the schools where the poor people go, who are the Maoists actually working for? Not for the 'Garibjanatas' or the peasants and farmers...Now even those middle class and lower middle class people are forced to send their children to India by selling their land and homes. This is good news for the Indian educational institutions...their enrollment is booming during the last few years due to the 'people oriented progressive educational policies' of the Maoist comrades. One of the few successes of the privatization of education in the country was the growth of thousands of new schools in the country. Not all were excellent, but many quality educational institutions were taking roots all over the country. The private educational institutions were generating millions of revenue and employing tens of thousands of teachers and staff. Now all that is gone..thanks to our 'people loving' Maoist comrades. And the Maoist crooks and their symathizers still have the gall to say that Maoists are fighting for the people... Apparently, stupidity knows no bounds. |
| Poonte | Posted
on 18-Dec-02 06:51 PM
Radio Nepal and NTV were merely propaganda machines of the Panchayat. Come on now, you cannot deny that!!!! Schools remained open...but what did they teach us? Shree Paanch Maharajadhiraj Bhagwan Bishnu ko Avatar hoibaksanchha? We did learn a thing or two about math and sciences...fair enough. However, what we were taught, most importantly, was to be submissive; to reserve utmost loyalty not to the country, but to an individual; to limit our scopes and our horizons; to deny our own existence as capable human beings in the face of the "Almighty Maharajdhiraj". Hence, the chaos that we live in now.... |
| suva chintak | Posted
on 18-Dec-02 07:20 PM
Come on Poonts, you can't be serious! I lived through the Panchayat years, but never did I hear the NTV or Radio Nepal issuing a fatwa that the King was Bishnu..are we going overboard here in pulling the mustache of a dead lion? The idea of the King being a incarnation of God, however faulty, is something that is at least 3000 years old, it did not come with Radio Nepal or NTV. I read all the Panchayat era text books, I don't recall any chapters that told us to be submissive. If anything, I think they went overboard with instilling in us how brave and go getters we were...'hatti haina, datti ladne, Nepali ko bani huncha,' or all the other songs about paurakh and self respect 'swabhimani', no? And I must also disagree with you on your claim that Panchayat taught us to be loyal only to the king, not to the country. If you remember ( I am assuming that you were an adult 12 years ago), the national salute during the bad old days was 'Jai desh, jai naresh'. In fact the country came before the king. So I don't know what Panchayati education you are talking about, I don't think there was anything that asked of the students to suppress their existence! Could you give examples of some of those texts? I am just curious, because I grew up with that education. Or maybe we read the same books in completely different ways: it has left me with my self respect and dignity, where as it seems to have left you with much guilt and self debasement for which you need to find a scapegoat...the bad bad king! I am in agreement with you on the use of NTV and RN as propaganda tools by Panchayat. But then which media...from BBC to CNN to TNYT to Times of India is not used by those who control its finances to justify and consolidate their ideological, political, economic and cultural values and objectives? After the demise of Panchayat, do you think that NTV and RN have become any more 'objective'? Neutral media is a good ideal, but an impossibility in real life. In Peace |
| Vision | Posted
on 18-Dec-02 07:22 PM
Poonte Ji, Ok fair enough...I understand your claim. But can you please enlighten us what was changed after the democracy to expand our horizons in education systems? Any reforms? Any development projects that may have gone unnoticed? I suspect you are misinterpreting our national anthem. It was written to unite people together as King being our symbol of unity. |
| Jah | Posted
on 10-Jan-03 08:45 PM
Vision and Suva chintak you is blind or what? you dont see them changes? Let me tell you of them changes them people brought. Firstly didnt you see them all big big houses and Pajeros? On educasion didnt you see them sons and daughters of them sachivs and ministers reading in them Amerika? Didnt you see them changes in degradation of educations in government schools? Didnt you see them big big private schools for them rich people? Didnt you see them develope lot more phohor(dirt) in and around da kingdom. Didnt you see them buildings of Sachivs and ministers brothers. All them buildings. Well I and I dont want to tell too much truth. |
| suva chintak | Posted
on 10-Jan-03 11:07 PM
Rastaman, The essence of Rasta wisdom: unalloyed, undiluted, unvarnished, and unapologetic truth! Keep it up, with luv for all and malice to none! |
| Jah | Posted
on 10-Jan-03 11:16 PM
Thank you Suva. I and I is just that. For Rasta is about Love and friendship without them corruption. Rasta is clear mind and vision. |
| bewakoof | Posted
on 10-Jan-03 11:56 PM
Jah & Rastaman, Who is not for love and friendship ? And who is for corruption? Are you for anything more than these meaningless and nebulous platitudes ? |
| Jah | Posted
on 11-Jan-03 12:03 AM
I know not at least I is not calling I Bewakoof. You is da calling you Bewakoof. I is for love and friendship and them is for corruption and deceit. And you is one dont know which dem side to take. Cause you is dem dont have no soul. Jah Live! |
| bewakoof | Posted
on 11-Jan-03 12:40 AM
Jah, It must be so great to be convinced of your own blinded self-righteousness. So, anyone who does not parrot your trite rhetoric is automatically for corruption and deciet? And, oh my lord you are the arbitrer of soul. Please redeem me, cuz I have conscience enough to question myself. |
| Jah | Posted
on 11-Jan-03 01:25 AM
I is not blind. I just speak truth. I is never talking theories here in Sajha. I ask no one to follow I. And why my words touches you? Cause you is one who needs them thing call conscience and needs to ask yourself. I neva need to ask I nothing. Cause Rast know them truth. What you talkin my mon? How come you is needing you to question yoself?You is lost. You want I to send you my photo so you can do them Puja in mornin and evenin? Let I know . I always help peopal like you. |