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| Puru Subedi |
Posted
on 14-Dec-02 03:50 PM
Just received from Faces mailing list run by Youths of DC Metro:
http://www.washtimes.com/world/20021214-12664910.htm
-PS
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| Puru Subedi |
Posted
on 14-Dec-02 04:02 PM
This interview with Baburam Bhattari is on The Washington Times (not NY Times). Sorry for the confusion.
-PS
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| Kumar Prasad Upadhyay |
Posted
on 14-Dec-02 06:04 PM
Puru ji:
Revealing interview. Thank you. Here are some of my thoughts:
1. I think the interview on the whole demonstrates how strategically clear and tactically shrewd--and dangerous--Dr Bhattarai and his ilk are. It also shows how letter-by-letter the Maoists of Nepal follow their leader from the north. His party's political assessment at this point clearly is that the King is weak and unpopular, and he tries to flare the sentiment against the King among the supporters of the other political parties up by putting him at the centre of his vitriolics.
2. During the "peace talks" with the Deuba government last year, the Maoist negotiators had, by the time they sat down for the third (and last) round of talks, put aside their demands for establishment of a republic. The political parties were all vocally for the institution of monarchy at that point and the public pressure was too much for them to bear. So they said they would be happy with the formation of a new government to conduct the elections for the constituent assembly. They were clearly not serious about what they were saying.
3. A little over a year down the line, the Maoist leadership again realizes that the institution of monarchy is not as popular with the political parties, and Dr Bhattarai makes full use of that by trying to flare up the sentiments against King G by accusing him (again) of being the man behind the royal massacre, something he did days after the tragic incident through that article in Kantipur (which resulted in the arrest of Kantipur's editor and its two owners).
4. An even more revealing aspect of the interview is that their movement launched in 1996 for the establisment of a "people's republic" has clearly shifted its tactical gear and is making enough room for creating a bourgeois democracy. (And we all thought, foolishly, for so long that this was a war to end the class division in Nepal and to establish a Communist republic).
5. One does not have to be a political scientist to see where he is getting. The Maoists are trying to appease the other political parties, "parliamentary democrats" in his words, to join them in their fight against the institution of monarchy. And they are telling the political parties--and the rest of the world--that there movement is not about establishing the dictatorship of the proletariat after all.
6. The question is, will the other political parties buy it?
7. The Nepali Congress is clearly angry with the King and has at least informally raised the issue of constituent assembly (and perhaps even the end of the institution). The UML, clearly concerned that their vote base coulde be wiped out if a more "revolutionary" and confident party carrying the Communist tag were to participate in the elections, has in recent times been stressing that constituent assembly is not the way to go about it.
The concern at this point perhaps is: what if the other political parties actually join hands with the Maoists?
8. Well, whether that combined force will be able to dislodge the institution of monarchy will still depend on the military balance between the Maoist warriors and the Royal Nepal Army. (And on this issue, we might want to take into account today's news of the American assistant secretary warning the Maoists that they could be listed as a terrorist organization, and another news about the first consignment of Belgian weapons heading Nepal).
But assuming--just assuming--that the combined force of the political parties, led by the military wing of the Maoists, actually succeeds in dislodging the isntitution of monarchy, can we really believe that the Maoists will stop at that and not try to establish a "people's republic" instead of a democratic republic?
9. Considering the consistency with which the Maoists have been inconsistent about their fundamental political stands, I can only imagine a China-line situation before the takeover by the Communist Pary in 1949.
Mao was very happy to join Chiag Kai Shek's fight against the emperialist Japan, but he was very clear from the beginning that his war would not end with the liberation of China, but would go well into the future. And, he acted on it. He continued to fight until long after the Japanese had left and drove Chiag and his nationalist army out of China into Taiwan.
I don't believe things in Nepal will turn out the way my fantastic assumptions imagine, but if (god forbid) it were to turn out to be that way, I am just wondering if the "parliamentary democrats" will end up playing Chiag Kai Shek!!
KPU
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 14-Dec-02 09:24 PM
Freedom:
Skeptics can go to our numerous base areas and see for themselves how we are practicing democracy among millions of different classes, nationalities, regions, castes and gender.
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There are two kinds of freedom:
1. universal freedom: free to do anything without harming others. a Real freedom.
2. Freedom under a system. In China also there is freedom, this freedom is available to only those who accept the communism. They can not harm communist leaders or their political cadres or their jobs. Not only that in autocratic rule or even at Khamoorouge time in Cambodia, there used to be a freedom to those who were khamrouge or their supporters.
Baburam is talking about a freedom of second category. I am sure they have freedom in the west Nepal. Freedom to those who are maoists or their supporters, and if you are in that system, you can enjoy more freedoms than in real freedom mentioned in number 1 above.
Sabaiko chetana bhaya.
HG
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 14-Dec-02 09:36 PM
"I don't believe things in Nepal will turn out the way my fantastic assumptions imagine, but if (god forbid) it were to turn out to be that way, I am just wondering if the "parliamentary democrats" will end up playing Chiag Kai Shek!! "
KPU
I always had the same feeling that you mentioned in those paragraphs. Baburam is trying to turn them Chaing kai sekh. Can you imagine an armed group when joined by non armed or less powerful groups will be settled? Who says? It never happened. Even in Sri Lanka, Tamil Tiger fnished all smaller rival groups once they started getting powerful. It never happens, especiallly, when its a fight between armed groups. Complete end will be real end of Maoist problem. A friend of mine was telling that if maoists come to power, in following years the numbers of deaths in nepal will be 10 folds. This is what he feared in Nepal. He lives and work in west Nepal. The BRB was completely lying and cunning. He knows how to hijack peoples mind. Even educated nepalis who think that they will enjoy something by supporting Maobadis once they invade ktm, that will remain their unfulfilled dreams. Its not Maoist leaders, its their armed blood thirsty cadres who will kill peoples as they did in Cambodia.
Don't fall into traps of Maoists.
HG
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| VillageVoice |
Posted
on 15-Dec-02 10:43 AM
Well, guys, the ball is now SQUARELY in the King's Court.
1. Get the constitution back on track. Formation of the coalition (Article 128?) government as per UML's demand. As the largest party, they will lead the government.
And the life goes back to normalcy. Or does it? Maoists are still out there. And I bet political parties will soon start their cat-and-mouse game. The king comes out of this crisis his stature much reduced, at least in the eyes of the political parties.
2. Constitutent Assembly. Give in to the Maoist demand, and a growing one--though still not pronounced--from other political parties and intellectuals. Though largely perceived as a progressive step, CA can be a mixed bag, though. It will have a sweeping mandate to decide just not on the fate of Monarchy, but a host of other issues of intense gravity.
One therefore one expects (prior to the CA), there's at least a broad understanding among political parties, including Maoists, and the King about what it can do. Above all, the people should know what CA is all about. It is still a black cat in a dark room.
3. Continue with the lame-duck Chand government, with hopes enticing political parties. Here's the worst-case scenario. Heeding BRB's call, and frustrated by the king's instransigence, political parties forge some kind of strategic alliance against Monarchy (or just King G).
This will be an extremely potent force. More than their military strength, I am referring to their ability to mobilize public opionion. As KPU has correctly pointed out: BRB's scaled-down rhetoric will be a strong temptation to the mainstream parties, assuming that it's CPN(Maoist)'s official position.
I will go a step further. In BRB's remarks (made in the interview to Chitra Tiwari of The Washington Times), I found a FIRST hint to the Nepali intelligentsia at large that life under Maoists will be livable. And perhaps not so remarkably different from the current one--though possibly without the King? Any thoughts there - HG, KPU and others?
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| Tropical |
Posted
on 15-Dec-02 11:19 AM
VillageVoice,
It is easy to mobilize public opionion. MAKUNE did it. Surya Bahadur thapa did it. Every harke or badri can do it!
It is how you create a peaceful and stable economy and create the environment for prosperity that counts. A group which creates violence which didn't exist can be hardly the one to promote security for people to think about higher prospectives than their daily bread. How can the group which demolishes infrastructure be expected to develop and maintain the machinations of production?
Anybody who understands the effort and time to raise an infrastructure will not raise it down. Maobadis cannot be expected to bring anything to Nepal except more destruction and more poverty than already is- if it is possible.
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| Tropical |
Posted
on 15-Dec-02 11:20 AM
Please read raze instead of raise in "raise it down"
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| real matrix |
Posted
on 15-Dec-02 12:21 PM
Anybody who understands the effort and time to raise an infrastructure will not raze it down. Maobadis cannot be expected to bring anything to Nepal except more destruction and more poverty than already is- if it is possible.
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I totally agree with Tropical.
I don't know but it seems each politically party including the King himself want to take the benefit of resolving the moasist problem. They know that if any one party does it by hook or crook than they will rule Nepal for a long time. So end result they would be no solution to the problem because the each party is in the dog fight trying to pull the other party down. In such a situation the citizens themselves have to realize that there chosen leaders will do nothing and it is in their hands to resolve the problem. A friend of mine told me that about a year ago all the villagers from a village in western Nepal got together and chased the maobadis who attacked their village. That is the only success story I have heard so far. Well coz the success story told on Nepal TV that so many maobadis were killed is bullshit. If we started to count as per Nepal TV's reports maobadis wouldn't have much cadres left.
We trust our country in the hands of Policemen and army. Well the army is good to an extent but plagued with enough bureacracy of its own "on top of that the king thinks of the army as his own personal property rather than protecters of our country". As far as the police are concerned they are drunk by the time it gets dark (exceptions are there, don't take it personally), because firstly, its a daily habit and secondly they are afraid of the maobadis. They surrender as soon as they see a group of maobadis. I assume they fear them coz they don't have the training or the arms to combat them.
So do we trust them or take it into our hands. Protect your own village. After hearing of that incident in western Nepal I guess I would go with the second option. Coz I don't trust these leaders. Be it Girja, Madhav Nepal, Pahupati SJBR or Prachanda(the killer) himself.
What would be the best possible way to bring awareness in the Nepalese people? Even before that I should ask what would the other parcipants say regarding taking protection into your own hands ?
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| VillageVoice |
Posted
on 15-Dec-02 01:46 PM
_It is easy to mobilize public opionion. MAKUNE did it. Surya Bahadur thapa did it. Every harke or badri can do it!_
Though I do understand the spirit of the overall argument, I thought this particuar contention needed to be challenged since you hint that the very idea of mobilizing public opinion is shallow and undemocratic. No, not every harke or badri can do it. Ask Bhes B. Thapa, for example, or Hrishikesh Shah (may his soul rest in peace). With all their impressive record as intellectuals (particularly Shah's), they failed miserably, and there are a number of other instances of these polished bureaucrats/academics falling like nine pins when it comes to talking to the masses.
Lesson: these people, and that could include you and I, probably don't speak the lingua franca, the language of the mass.
Yes, Mukune did it [mobilize public opinion] and so did Surya B. You are right. And hence, with all their shortcomings, and my revulsion to their dirty games, I still wouldn't dismiss these people easily. They still hold a huge mass appeal. I remeber a senior police officer's anecdotal story on how during his posting as a jilla police chief he had to again and again to local political leaders. Without their support policing was almost impossible.
The Chand cabinet will do well to realize it -- sooner the better. You can't police with Black Hawks and nightvision cameras--all the time. Communities without leaders become ungovernable.
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| Kumar Prasad Upadhyay |
Posted
on 15-Dec-02 03:47 PM
Dear Village Voice:
Allow me to address some of your points raised in the earlier posting.
1. It is probably true that the ball is now in the King's court, but in the absence of a clear agreement at least between the UML and the NC, I don't think he is in a position to sweep it back--either with a straight shot or through a reverse shot.
As the news coming out of Kathmandu during the last three days indicate, GP Koirala met the King and demanded that the House of Representatives be reinstated (obviously hoping that after the reinstatement all of Deuba's MPs will get back to the NC fold and he will be able to command the majority in the House again, and claim the prime ministership). I don't think this proposition even merits serious discussion, as far as the legality of the issues are concerned.
M K Nepal, on the other hand, asked the king to form a government under Article 128 of the Constitution (presumably because, as things now stand, his party is the largest political party in Nepal, and will therefore get to lead the government). I take it that you feel this is a good idea.
2. Article 128 of the Constitution is a transitional provision, the utility and compulsory application of which became redundant the day Krishna Prasad Bhattarai's government conducted the elections in 1991 and formed a new House of Representatives. The provision aimed, first, at providing constitutional legitimacy to Bhattarai's government of 1990-91, which, as you will recall, was formed by King Birendra, exercising his powers as the sovereign under the Constitution of Nepal (2019).
Through 128, the new constitution recognized the existence of Bhattrai government on the day the Constitution was promulgated, and also gave it the executive and legislative powers which it enjoyed before that day in accordance with a Royal Proclamation. All along, the provision made it mandatory for the King to form a government with representation from major political parties of the day, had things gone out of control and had Bhattarai's government fallen before holding elections.
The Article, to me, is dead now, in the technical sense, although there is nothing wrong about applying the spirit and underlying principle contained in that provision. But, whether or not a government of the type envisaged under 128 is or will be formed is something to be based on a political understanding among the King and the major political parties. Constitutionally, such a government is no more legitimate than the present government headed by Chand, although there can be no denying the fact that if such a government were to be formed, it would have more political legitimacy.
2. I think the idea of having a Constituent Assembly is a very democratic idea, and the way BRB advocates for it, I am personally amused how absolutely democratic he tries to sound. But it is fraught with dangers of all kinds--especially because in the absence of a genuine commitment on the part of the Maoists and the rightists in Nepal, there is a real possibility that the centrist elements of Nepali polity won't even be able to have a good majority in the Assembly. Of the three visible forces in Nepal--the Royalists, the Maoists, and the Parliamentarians--it is only the third that does not have its own army in present day Nepal.
3. I don't trust BRB when he says that their system of government will be a bourgeois capitalist republic, and that they will leave you and I alone when we voice our opposition to any of the policies of the regime. This is a man who in the early 1990s was the convenor of the third force in the House which elected its MPs based on a platform of "finishing the parliamentary system from within." It is the same political party that in 1994 boycotted the parliementary elections saying parliamentary elections was a "dho-kha." And, it is the same party that launched the vicious "people's war" in 1996 to root out the parliamentary system and the institution of monarchy. Now he says, he wants to root out the institution of monarchy--because he knows the political parties are angry with the King--but would leave the democratic system alone. A pure tactical move. They will strike and finish off the democratic forces the day they feel stronger.
KPU
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| suva chintak |
Posted
on 15-Dec-02 08:43 PM
Maoists fighting for bourgeois democracy!!
There can be no greater irony and contradiction than this. I think it finally proves that the Maoists have long since arrived at ideological bankruptcy...coming from no lesser person than Baburam Bhattrai.
So if they have all along being fighting and killing for the bourgeois, why did they have to mislead the ordinary masses by saying that they were working for the upliftment of peasants, workers and the disadvantaged sections of Nepali society?
I hope those people who have been mislead by the Maoist propaganda all these years finally realize this duplicity. Maoism, it is nothing other than pure evil.
The other thing I keep wondering is: Why do mainstream American media like the CNN and the Washington Post giving space and propaganda opportunity to the Neapali Maoists? I find it very strange...first of all they are communists, secondly they have been declared terrorists by Nepal and a few other countries. Would the US media give the same kind of opportunity to Al Qaeda and other terrorists to rationalise their views with the US public? None of the US media has so far offered to carry a interview of even such a figure as PLO chief.
So, did the US know all along that the Maoists were really working for a bourgeois democracy and not for a real communism?
Communism = mystery inside a enigma wrapped inside a conspiracy.
In Peace!
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| james bond |
Posted
on 15-Dec-02 08:55 PM
Many thanks for the link to the interview. His interview smells of raw blood and cunning stratgy to grasp political power to launch their rampage. One thing I cannot fathom: how can an extreme left group like Mao be democratic? Maoism and democracy are mutually exclusive. He is a dangerous man and must be eliminated or the fate of many more innocent Nepalese is doomed.
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| pd |
Posted
on 15-Dec-02 11:56 PM
Mr. Baburam, don't brag about your party and ideology. Just because you stood board first in SLC doesn't mean you are always right.
Actions speak louder than words. The atrocities committed by your cadres gives us one clear message - all you want to do is loot and destroy Nepal.
If you can give genuine answers to the following questions, I will take my hats off for you...
1. How can you claim to fight for Nepalese when you kill innocent civilians and children? Nepali times issue 121 shows a ghastly picture of maowadi lunacy - two badly burnt children. Maowadis attacked a civilian bus in Bara with petrol bombs that caused the death and injury of many innocents...
2. How can you maowadis, who only know how to murder, loot, promote drugs and open sex among your cadres, rid Nepal of her problems. Give us some concrete plans. Don't lecture us about your idealogy.. Do you know how to run developmental programs, build institutions and provide jobs through peaceful means.
3. If you are for developing Nepal, why do you forcefully close schools and burn schools? What do children have to do with your idealogy. Are they not the future of our country.
4. Baburam, why have you sent your daughter to england to study? Why can't you send her to a school in Nepal. You care about the well-being of your daughter but not about others. A basic leadership lesson for you - learn to lead by example.
Numerous other examples illustrate your hypocrisy and lunacy. So we can do nothing other than criticize and CURSE you.
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| Anand Agrawal |
Posted
on 16-Dec-02 02:34 AM
Why do you hate your own kleader so much? see one day the Indian UNiversity/ Institute gradue will rock. you guys can't trust a man like baburam bhattarai, that depics how low IQ you people are.
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| Tropical |
Posted
on 16-Dec-02 08:55 AM
VillageVoice,
You have said that MAKUNE and surya bahadur are also stalwarts in that they have been able to mobilize popular opinion. If that is true then they should insiminate greater respect in you than the lowly BRB.
Why you ask?
It is far more difficult to mobilize public opinion through peaceful means than when you have resorted to violence. "People will listen to a man with a gun". The tv gives the 5 minute fame to any hostage taker who has an agenda but does that mean he is popular?
BRB made a mistake by publicly accepting that he has robbed banks. Poor people may also put their money in banks. Besides this discredits the whole Nepali government were the maobadis to 'come to power'. Who will want to loan their money to a country which is governed by literal 'chors' and 'dakoits'?
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| suna |
Posted
on 16-Dec-02 09:06 AM
Puru
The faces mailing list is NOT run by any of the youths of DC!
It is run by a couple of people who created a listserv called FACES on their personal server!
After what happened with the Embassy site, PLEASE DON'T TAKE CREDIT NOR GIVE UNDUE CREDIT. The post was made by Mr. S. Dhungana to the faces list.
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| Puru Subedi |
Posted
on 16-Dec-02 10:38 AM
Suna, I thought the list was ran by youths who live in DC metro area. If it is not, sorry for mis-understanding. I do receive good information via the list. Thanks to the person or group who created and currently running NYO and Faces list. Yes. I was trying to give appropriate credit without mentioning the name of the person who posted it.
Others, please continue the debate. I plan to come back to read it after the finals.
-PS
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| Aludai |
Posted
on 16-Dec-02 01:28 PM
Power is a wonderful thing- like addiction.It causes craving and disregard for others.
Our system, the parties and Maoists are no different.
The only worse thing about Maoists is that they are in the middle of killing spree for their craving.
Time and again we have seen people raise slogans to achieve the power.When people are extremely poor like in our countries, the slogan of Maoism could have some following.They would never fulfill any of their slogans, none of the communists have ever done it.They have found out in Russia, China etc that it does not work either.
Why are airplane accidents so rare as compared to say mistakes by doctors in hospital?
It is because pilots die with their planes if that were to happen. If the Maoists leaders genuinely wanted to improve the lots of Nepalese, their children would have been in Nepal in the midst of school strike (not in UK, or Doon school or in US).
I am very worried about Nepal's future.I cannot see a bright future of our country when these vultures are around.Hope some senses will prevail- at least let people live!
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| suva chintak |
Posted
on 16-Dec-02 01:59 PM
Aludai, your fears for our country are well founded,
because we are at the mercy of a gang of cold blooded killers
who have absolutely no regard for the laws or morality of men or Gods.
Their sole craving is power, and like an addict, they will do anything, say anything
to grab power. They don't care for the poor, nor do they cherish the peasants or the workers, whom they have been feeding on empty dreams. They are just using them.
Here comes BRB and tells the world that they are actually working for the bourgeois and the capitalists! What lie, what betrayal. I don't think any other political/criminal group in Nepal has betrayed the poor and the marginal groups like the Maoists in such blatant ways.
After hearing BRB's interview, I think the real Mao Tse Tung must be vomiting in his grave!
In Peace
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| Tropical |
Posted
on 16-Dec-02 02:01 PM
Rightly said Aludai,
How does banishing 'Saraswati' have anything to do with 'vhalo' of people? By quashing the education system in Nepal the maos are taking us to an era of rana 'shasan'.
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| takura |
Posted
on 16-Dec-02 04:50 PM
Hey Guys,
Those of you who want to read the interview, here is the link:
http://www.washtimes.com/world/20021214-12664910.htm
What do u think of this interview? Post your opinion.
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| Love_Bites |
Posted
on 17-Dec-02 02:24 AM
Co-Armed Babu Ravan Bhatt-die (oops!) his deeds and his words I believe have more to do with his big ego of always being #1. Just because he stood board first and #1 in rest of his life in studies does not necessarily put him in the position to decide the fate of 25 million lives. These maoist people they are having lots of hallucination by imagining their victory putting up there own assumptions with some added hoax. You would know the facts when you see and hear things by yourself; I have come from one of those areas where maoist were most active. And no doubt, they were everywhere, frustrated, illiterate, beating wife and children and getting drunk and talking about politics or there were youngsters with great sense of power and protection being a supporter of maoist. Most of the general public like me don’t care much about party and politics as long as we can live in peace and work and take care of family. We in general don’t have any big ambition to become #1 nor have such brain to manipulate ignorant and illiterate villagers. I don’t know who is winning or losing in this game but one thing is for sure general public like me are suffering.
In fact, I had great respect for BRB but it blew off the day I saw him expressing his anger for the way he was treated while he was putting up some demand outside Singha Durbar probably some 10-12 years ago, now I see him as a smart and intellectual manipulator who wanted too much too soon.
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 17-Dec-02 03:01 AM
There are 5 groups in Nepal, at present:
1. One who holds RNA: The KG.
2. One who holds or pretends to hold Maoist armed cadres.(UML, NEKA, Sadvawana, and RPP)
3. One who does not hold Armed Force, but, has well defined public mass.
4. Confused Mass: mostly illeterate Nepalis who move here and their are mostly exploited by group 1 and group 2. Group 2 (UML, NEKA, Sadvawana, and RPP) now does not have real influence on this 4th group. Fourth group is real mass of Nepali citizens and now all the first 3 groups are trying to pull in their base. No one is able to do it. After 2001 November, Maoists lost the support from this confused group and this confused group also moved its support from group 3 to group 1, immediately after the cunning tacit of Deoba's move: dissolution of parliament, and postponement of elections. Group 3 is now considered as useless group which indulged too much in corruption, and what not ....
5. Cunning Group: (5a) Human rightists: all kinda working in Nepal, (5b) "THE" educated Nepalis living outside Nepal, watching for the opportunity to exploit the advantage of the current chaos, one example is Alok ... Chitra K . Tiwari , (5c) Religious groups, especially, christian missinaries and arabian embassies. (5d) Indian Biz. community: Madwaries (5e) Nepali Biz. community who are indulged in Black marketting and illegal biz.
The peoples in the fifth group are trying to get as much advantage as they can. Some are trying to use this chao as ladder to rise in public position/recognition and others are trying to funnel money as much as they . This is the most selfish and cunning group that is not letting the first three groups sit together for the solution of the problem.
Any disagreements are always welcome.
HG
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 17-Dec-02 03:08 AM
Corrected version. Read this version as correct version.
There are 5 groups in Nepal, at present:
1. One who holds RNA: The KG.
2. One who holds or pretends to hold Maoist armed cadres
3. One who does not hold Armed Force, but, has well defined public mass..(UML, NEKA, Sadvawana, and RPP)
4. Confused Mass: mostly illeterate Nepalis who move here and their are mostly exploited by group 1 and group 2. Group 3 (UML, NEKA, Sadvawana, and RPP) now does not have real influence on this 4th group. Fourth group is real mass of Nepali citizens including me "HahooGuru" and now all the first 3 groups are trying to pull this mass in their base. No one is able to do it. After 2001 November, Maoists lost the support from a part of this confused group and this confused group also moved its support from group 3 to group 1, immediately after the cunning tacit of Deoba's move: dissolution of parliament, and postponement of elections. Group 3 is now considered as CHOR-FATAHA-DHURTA NETAHARU KO group that indulged too much in corruption, and what not ....
5. Real Cunning Groups: (5a) Human rightists: all kinda working in Nepal, (5b) "THE" educated Nepalis living outside Nepal, watching for the opportunity to exploit the advantage of the current chaos, one example is Alok ...another example Chitra K . Tiwari , (5c) Religious groups, especially, christian missinaries and arabian embassies. Slowly poisoning Nepal, its effect will be visible in next 30-40 years. (5d) Indian Biz. community: Madwaries: More chaos, more profit to this group. (5e) Nepali Biz. community who are indulged in Black marketting and illegal biz.
The peoples in the fifth group are trying to get as much advantage as they can. Some are trying to use this chao as a ladder to rise in public position/recognition and others are trying to funnel money as much as they. These are the most selfish and cunning groups that are not letting the first three groups sit together for the solution of the problem for the betterment of fourth group.
Any disagreements are always welcome.
HG
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| Aludai |
Posted
on 17-Dec-02 01:34 PM
Excellent analysis.
It is very difficult to find Mahatmas in today's society.Most people are selfish.
One cannot blame the public at large because we never pretend not being selfish.We agree that we live for our personal lives, personal gains and family.
But the rulers always pretend to be selfless and try to protray themselves as Mahatmas-serving poor etc etc.
In summary they are all liars.
Now in democracy people have the opportunity to vote out bigger liars and install lesser devils in power.That is provided they know what is what ( issue of education) and are not voting with a gun under their nose.In their quest for electoral victory, people do get some gains eventually.
What Maoists are doing is trying to gain automatic power with the use of violence.They will have no reasons to please the public (who would be forced to support them).It was very interesting to note that Saddam Hussein got 100% of votes in Iraq and Maoists would probably be no different in Nepal(if they ever get to power ).We all have seen living examples that Maoist leaders are not Mahatmas.
What can we do? Not much because we all have to look after ourselves.
But like all physical things in the world, Maoist movement would also die one day with its tommy full of blood of so many of our people.The only question is whether this will happen in our lifetime and how much our people will have to suffer.
I want to conclude by saying that it is the failure of our education system to produce PhDs like BRB who advocate killing.He clearly mentions that individual life has no value over the cause of his party (and his power).
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| Ar |
Posted
on 17-Dec-02 02:36 PM
BRB's interview is quite meticulously and explicitly written, I must say. His careful use of words seems overwhelmingly impressive. The increasing bigotry among the political parties and ethnic groups has abetted the spread of Maoist ifluence in the politically and ethinically divided Nepal. Let's see what the future divulges.
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| Puru Subedi |
Posted
on 17-Dec-02 05:21 PM
Here is Nepali version of BRB's views:
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