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| Bramhanda |
Posted
on 16-Dec-02 08:49 PM
There was a song some time back, " where have all the cowboys gone" or something to that effect! Similarly, where have all the REAL ladies dissapeared ? Are they still there? Why so evasive? If so, why have role models for most of the women been not the Indira Gandhis, or the Teresas, or the Florence Nightingales? Of course, it is the modern world and all. But, still a woman with a strong character is something that is enduring.
So much for the Bridget Joneses and the Ladettes of the world:-). Here's an interesting twist to the Brassy ladies of the world:-)
Lets' hear your thoughts on it,too!!
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Your inner brassy lady
Bellyaching Bridgets, Carping Carries... it's time women created their own role models
Barbara Ellen
Sunday December 15, 2002
The Observer
I sometimes wonder if the female icons of our age are actually chosen by women themselves or forced upon them by a sinister government agency devoted to throwing buckets of cold water over the spirit of modern womankind. This was never more evident than when I visited a local bistro with a male friend recently. As anybody who's just had a baby could tell you, when you've not socialised for a while, everything starts looking interesting. Which probably explains why, as my friend trotted off to the loo, I became transfixed by a group of women huddled around the table to our right. The bizarre thing about them was that, to all extents and purposes, they could be split straight down the middle into even numbers of 'Bridget Joneses' and 'Carries' from Sex and the City. The first group, all slight weight problems, smudged lipstick and grimaces into their glasses of wine. The 'Carries' dressed more fashionably, drinking more exotic drinks, smirking rather than grimacing. All of them smoking so hard that you kept expecting the smoke to start seeping out of their pores and set off the fire alarms.
It was humanity wearing its television mask and, faced with this situation, my friend and I did what any reasonable cultured people would do - we listened in as much as we could, exchanging evil, bitchy glances whenever possible. The sad fact was that all the clones were close, but not close enough. The 'Bridgets' lacked the humour that made the drudgery of her life acceptable, while the 'Carries' could have done with a little chutzpah to go with their Jimmy Choos. Most tellingly, several lakes of house white later, they were still boring on about men - bitching, quipping, sneering and swearing, and becoming a bit bawdy with the waiter. As they left, one of the 'Carries' trailed her boa around the poor guy's neck and blew a kiss, loudly shrieking: 'We are going to a nightclub to drink ourselves to death, do you want to join us?' With that, her friends dragged her away, and they fell into the street, hooting and squawking and giving it large, but somehow looking very depressed and vulnerable. It occurred to me that you see this more and more these days - women living out their lives in manic capsule outbursts, just like the episodes of the series they're emulating. 'Oh don't start,' said my friend. 'They're just ageing ladettes. With a bad attitude and too much money. The modern man's worst nightmare.'
I think I was probably something of a ladette in my day. I might even still be one in a pathetic semi-retired way. Fluctuating drink problem (check). Bad attitude (check). Never know when to call a night a night (check). Get called 'feisty' by strangers in pubs a lot (check, check, check). Over the years, I've always comforted myself that, while I might be an ugly drunk (loud, vulgar, think I'm interesting), I'm even uglier when I'm sober (sullen, bratty, know I'm boring). Moreover, on the quiet, I had delusions of grandeur. I had this image of myself, not as some sad, creaky ladette, but as a good old-fashioned brassy lady. A hard-drinking, wise-cracking Mae West-lite, leaning against the bar, all padded bust and easy banter. The kind of woman who could snap a man's ego over her leg like a twig, but still end every evening universally adored for her humour and character. Even better, however drunk they got, brassy ladies always knew how to be in control, how not to end up rattling around the world, vulnerable to any creep whose long shadow falls across their life. Thinking about it, Mae would have taken Carrie's 'Big', renamed him 'Titch'; and made psychosexual fondue of him within seconds. Where are brassy ladies like that when we need them? Where is our own brassiness when we need it?
As the year drags to a close, maybe women should ditch all those tired female icons, all those Bellyaching Bridgets and Carping Carries, and start working out how to be their own female icon, get in touch with their own inner brassy lady. It would mean having to change the habits of a generation. We'll have to stop chucking back too many Manhattans, cultivating a chic neurotic aura, and trying to work out how to survive our men, and start leaning nonchalantly against the bar, and leaving them to work out how to survive us, while making it quite clear that they couldn't possible survive without us. Natch. 'Men love that kind of brassiness in women,' one man confirmed, 'because a woman like that is a force of nature. Funny and clever, totally in control, and doesn't need looking after.' The brassy lady fights her corner in the sex war? 'Yes, but only for fun.' My friend smiled pointedly. 'Because she knows she's already won.'
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 17-Dec-02 03:11 AM
So, Bramhanda ji
Does Brassiness translate into independent confidence, outspokeness, or just plain, blatantly bold, and beautiful!!!
:)
Thank sfor the article!
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| Bramhanda |
Posted
on 17-Dec-02 01:36 PM
Sitara Ji,
Ideally, this should translate into independence, confidence , boldness (but NOT RASHNES), and the surrealness. That would be an interesting medley of attributes, hoina ra?
The flaky popular figures of Today are nowhere as BRASSY as they ought to be, and NOT REAL either. Ally Mcbeals types are charming, but they tend to vulnerable, and evasive :-)
Well, that's what I think anyway.
About the article, was something original and interesting.
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| OneGirl_123 |
Posted
on 17-Dec-02 02:28 PM
Braamhanda.......u askin where the real ladies at?? well... u just need to OPEN UR MIND(and ur wallet, j/k ;) AND HOLLA!
:)
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| Bramhanda |
Posted
on 17-Dec-02 02:39 PM
Thanks for the suggestion and the warning OneGirl_123 :-)
The mind can be opened to any length,but not the WALLET (in the same proportions).
The real lady should be impressed more by the personality of the person rather than the size of the wallet.
Once I recall going around in a matchbox (1970s) size car (kind of herbie goes bananas type), and one of my friends told me that if you get some (girl), and they are still happy
with you in this car, the person has got attracted to the real you rather than the imaginary you :-). It was a very funny, but true statement. I told him that's how I thought and practiced.
Hence, the wallet part doesn't work with me.:-) :-)
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| OneGirl_123 |
Posted
on 17-Dec-02 03:09 PM
Bramhanda....i was j/k about the whole wallet
no need to take it seriously :)
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| Bramhanda |
Posted
on 17-Dec-02 03:23 PM
I was only doing the same OneGirl_123. :-)
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| NK |
Posted
on 17-Dec-02 03:51 PM
Ain't got no weight problem or have (had) no problem of finding a man either therefore never had inkling to read Bridgette Jones or srijett jones I do, however, salivate on Carie's Jamie Choooooos's shoes! I do spot numerous "nanny types" in swanky bars talking loudly with martinis in their 50-dollar manicured hands... These scenes are sighted more and more emulating arts, that is, if you call shows like 'Sex and the City' an art.
My thoughts on role models; inner woman; inner brassy woman; inner brassy, brainy, drunk woman??
BE YOURSELF for Pete's sake!! Sure, not everybody is cut out to be an astronaut, concert pianist, soprano for MET, or a "Mae -West." Some people have it and some just don't. Life is not fair, didn't I say that to you before or what? Wanna-be is just that wanna-be. a pathetic drunk and ill-mannered creatures with laughable sense of humor!
I like to converse with men as well as women - of course intelligent ones. I like my gin and tonic in hot days of summer and red wine in cold dark winter. Many a trendy drinks have come and gone and I'm still here. To your health mia amor! Cheers!
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| Bramhanda |
Posted
on 17-Dec-02 05:38 PM
The very fact that shows like the Sex and the city go around gaining populairity is the sad truism of our day and age.
Some cut it as the drunken ones, yet still in control of their brains, while some just falter about inebriated with their drinks. Brainy ones digs, but still a brainy one could get caught in the very game of acting like a fool. Drunk, but those who can keep their cool. Those unmoved by the season's changes, and still remain as they're, in good spirits and health.
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| watever |
Posted
on 17-Dec-02 07:07 PM
The holidays have begun!!!! :D could you tell?? look at bramhanda... he has all the time in the world to reply everyone!!!
By the way... I thought the Sex and City females are role models for GUYS rather than girls!!... hmmmm... maybe I live in Mars.. who knows... i didn't even know who Carrie was until he mentioned it!!
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| NK |
Posted
on 17-Dec-02 07:17 PM
watever, "he" did not mention Carie, she did it. Or did you think in your haste (seems like your holidays have not begun yet :p), it was Bramhanda who wrote this article???
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| watever |
Posted
on 17-Dec-02 07:27 PM
:) NK :)... how sweet of you!!!:) thanks for the correction I guess :) ... BUT... did you actually READ my name?? :O...read again then... and say it out loud :) [Ouchhhhhhhh] :D
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| NK |
Posted
on 17-Dec-02 09:30 PM
Yes, I did read your name aloud and it said:
EVERYTHING MATTERS!!
:)))
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| Bramhanda |
Posted
on 17-Dec-02 09:59 PM
It seems contrary to his pseudoname, watever is not what he is. He seems to care for minute details about most people's absence (except for a few) due to begining of the holidays ,and other details such as he being from Mars, and all.:-)
Like NK, I would say aloud: Fastidious :-))))
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| surya |
Posted
on 18-Dec-02 12:05 AM
Thanks Bramhanda for sharing the article. It is interesting what she says. With a lot of rather neurotic, over-privledged, over-sexed and shallow, mostly caucasion women held up as "role models" for all women, of course the pressure is on!! Look at all the non-white women, including some of us Nepalis, with blond hair!! That says it all to me!! :)
Regardless, TV is not real life. If people cannot differentiate between reality and what the idiot box broadcasts as the desirable reality, that's sad. The real women I know and respect might or might not even drink wine or hold their liqor, but they are real, complicated and I respect them and like them because they are so human... their genius as well as all their shortcoming intact.
Indira Gandi, Mother Teresa and Florence Nightingale are caricatures really. And I would hate to see yougg women and girls aspiring to be like them and find that they fall short and then feel like they have failed. Not everyone is meant to shine and guide the world!! Most are born to lead normal lives without the heroicism or sacrifice.
Anyhow, who knows what! Barbara Ellen's article was fun, but what of it?!! I think the "Brassy lady syndrome" comes to all women at some point or another, unless they are really unlucky and really really stoopid not to realize that "acting young" is not the same as "being young." So, what am I saying? That the Brassy lady syndrome comes with age, maturity, wisdom and experience!! (Okay, I think I got the two at the ends, but the two in the middle, I am not sure about!:) Being real, surviving and thriving and living is sometimes not so glamorous, but I sure think its more interesting.
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| watever |
Posted
on 18-Dec-02 02:34 PM
:D @ NK (ok this time it was really cute!!!)
WHATEVERRRR @ brahmanda! (No wonder you out lookin for the brassy ladies!! DO you always misinterpret the meaning of MAYBE??)
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| Poonte |
Posted
on 18-Dec-02 02:37 PM
S-U-N-T-A-L-I mai!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SUNTALI...SUNTALI...SUNTALI...dhin-chyak, chin-chyak....SUNTALI!!!!
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| Bramhanda |
Posted
on 18-Dec-02 03:28 PM
Watever,
Maybe always falls in the grey area. So, if you've black & white , and you think it may be black, then you'll think it IS BLACK. I didn't misinterpret ,but thought so :-)
About Brassy Ladies, no lookin' for one, but wanted more role models to be real and brassy:-). It is fun that way when there are more of different types:-).
Poonte,
Suntali mai kati ma ramro................. Not Just khokro (suntali), but with the Juice.
Surya,
Interesting and balanced musings. Of course, the women need to have different kinds of role models ,and not one of the same. Due to the advent of technology and cheaply and readily available media, the influence is on, and so is the pressure. Of course, women (and men) in real life are not what they're purported to be in TV shows and movies.
The're are beautiful and strong as they're when they're who they REALLY are. Wish women in other spheres of life, and with real purpose also came to the limelight. Then a better balance could be striked for, and, thereby, women could opt to learn and dimiss ideas and styles accordingly and appropriately --if there comes such a need.
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| watever |
Posted
on 19-Dec-02 08:15 AM
The combination of Red and Yellow gives......
MAYBE...................... Pink
Brahmanda: IT IS PINK... RED AND YELLOW GIVES PINK
Rest of the World: Pink is a POSSIBILITY... it MIGHT NOT BE Pink....
Brahmanda: Maybe always falls in the pink area. So, if you've red & yellow ,and you think it may be pink, then you'll think it IS PINK. I didn't misinterpret ,but thought so :-)
Me: WHATEVER
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POO DAIIIIII... :P
madal tune garikako ho?? dherai din pachhi jasto chha... kasto besura :P
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| dirk |
Posted
on 19-Dec-02 09:56 AM
Waiting to see NK with her 9-inch Jimmy Choo spikes on....Jimmy's wares were also stolen by Tony's nephew Christopher as present for his girl, Adriana, in one of the episodes of The Sopranos. Talking about Brassy Ladies, Tony's mama wa one tough cookie!
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| Bramhanda |
Posted
on 19-Dec-02 11:46 AM
Watever,
Syllogisms is fun , ain't it?
RED and Yellow is different from Red or Yellow, hoina ra?
So, if you think it is may be red or brown, or it may be yellow or oranage,
then May be the mixture would give a very MAYBE color :-)
Then, one could misinterpret ,but think, or NOT think ,but misinterpret.
But, RED or Yellow could be something one should discern..
What if you went out hiking and you thought may you were hungry?? Then, would you not eat for 7 more hours. Or May be you would think (rather than misinterpret your hunger pangs) and eat instead of starving.
OK, so what of the brassy ladies? May be they're ladettes or May be they're for real.
I think they're for real. No misinterpretation there:-) Let's hear from them re kya ....Hmmm..
Rest of the world is still a subset of Bramhanda , hoina ra?:-)))))))))))))))))
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 19-Dec-02 12:13 PM
Do I hear the holiday spirit and banter???????
Nice! Nice! Nice! :)
Red and Yellow make.... a pinky orange or orangy pink; depending on the concentration of the base colour!...some times known as "sweet and sour" a very beautiful hue splashed in a sun set or a sun rise!
:)
What is this Bramhanda ji... a "newcomer" already got the gals chatting? :)
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| watever |
Posted
on 19-Dec-02 01:40 PM
brahmanda.... you do have a knack for misinterpreting words dont you?? AND does NOT mean OR?? or Does it?
sorry for not being very specific the last time if I knew you would misinterpret AGAIN I would have definitely been specific....
red or brown......... NO no no Red as in Vermillion red (very bright... extremely RED)....
yellow or orange...... NO no no ... Yellow as in Chrome yellow (very bright... extremely yellow...)
DID you notice I used primary colours..... PRIMARY... brown OR orange....UGH UH! I DONT THINK SO!!!!!! hmmmmm... either ur colour sense is not as BRIGHT... OR MAYBE mine!!!!!!!!
>>>>OK, so what of the brassy ladies? May be they're ladettes or May be they're for real.
I think they're for real. No misinterpretation there:-) Let's hear from them re kya ....Hmmm..
MAYBE just MAYBE... you are BLIND :O :D!!! :-)))))))))))))
Sitaraaaaaaaaa........
hehe... the colours I mentioned above make very bright ORANGE... or if you change the concentration(s) shades of Orange....darker or lighter Orange...
oh one more thinggg..........
Muwaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh (flying + electronic!).... "sweet and sour"........ INDEED!!!!!! LOLOLOLOL
La me getting fed up of this thread already... brahmanda if you feel compelled to reply please exclude my name... and Sitaraaaa compliments are always welcome ;-)
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| Bramhanda |
Posted
on 20-Dec-02 02:32 PM
Sitara Ji,
May be it is Orangie pink or pinky organe? What if it is reddish orange or pinkish red or may be just a color that is beyond comprehension within the color realm of the lads--much to their chagrin!!!
There the brassy ladies would do a great job with their talks as they would be for real and not maybish. The ladettes, on the other hand may get befuddled as to the real color that is in their front [in their maybe land].:-)
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| NK |
Posted
on 20-Dec-02 04:38 PM
O Dirk
The One Who Knows the Existence Of My Cousin Rabi!
Did not you read heels higher than 4" is unsuitable to wear for longer than four hours? I may be a lot of things but masochist, I am not!
:)
And Oh! Tony Soprano's mama was one villainos, vile woman!! Are you kiddin' me?!
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 21-Dec-02 07:50 AM
Bramhanda ji
"Perhaps, maybes, who knows" are the morsels that keep hope alive!!!!
;)
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| watever |
Posted
on 21-Dec-02 05:26 PM
:S :S confused....... what is ladettes??
Sitara you are sweet as ever ;) :D
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| neel |
Posted
on 21-Dec-02 07:47 PM
Just got a word in that our brassy ladies are in for a competition. Fulmaya Washington and her famous mother, Gamala Maya Washington, have decided to join the party. Looks like there will be a neck to neck competition in poetry and pottery. They also plan to bring along with them, London Kanta Silwaal, the man behind the Berlin Wall, now behind nothing. Gamala Maya and Ful Maya plan to attack the brassy ladies with a show of skills that would beat poetry hands down. Gamala Maya will be balancing a 12 foot Christmas Tree on her head. We are not sure what Ful Maya is doing….still a secret.
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| Bramhanda |
Posted
on 23-Dec-02 07:55 PM
Some dudettes who're like a lad, but not a lady. :-)
Sitara Ji,
Maybes and whatifs, and why nots do keep dreams alive, but that's also may be , isn't it, or IS IT?
So much for the vestiges left in the sands of MAYBEPIA or Maybesia.
Ok, I've got a concoction of Buddhism, and (I think, therefore I am) thoughts of Descartes, that I find very interesting:
"I'm enlightened, therefore I am Not."
So, do we stay on this ma be land wanting to think (and be real and all), or do we assume may be we're not (ENLIGHTENED),so therefore, we still exist for REAL (do we)? :-)
Anyway, one of those maybish maybeeeeeeeeees :::---)))
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 23-Dec-02 08:58 PM
Bramhanda ji
he he he!! Nice one!
Here is a zennist saying: "I think not, therefore I am!"
:P
If I know not who I am not perhaps, you shall not know who I am trying not to be!!! :P
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| Bramhanda |
Posted
on 23-Dec-02 09:32 PM
To be or Not to be , that is the Question!!
But, how do you know you're not thinking that you're a Zennist?? Or are you?? He, He...
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| Bramhanda |
Posted
on 26-Dec-02 01:17 PM
Is to be brassy to think or Not think that one is brassy?
Is it nonchalance with things, or is it ultimate confidence of knowing that makes one confidence?
To be quasi realm in duality?
Or is it to be infinitesimal singularity?
Oh, prob. it is not to consider any of these that makes one brassy.
The more you know , the less you think know. The less you think you know that you think less often, and get less perturbed by what you don't know, or know --therefore be less often times in state of perplexity and obfuscation-- prob. it gives you more confidence that you know. :-)))))))))))))))))))))))
He, He, that's the post xmas hangover and a similar momentum towards the new year!!
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| NK |
Posted
on 26-Dec-02 02:21 PM
Bramhanda, or is it just Bhrama? ... Anyhow, i am getting sick of this thread. can you please let it die with dignity? just let it go, deep breath, slowly... see , was it that difficult?
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| protean |
Posted
on 26-Dec-02 03:17 PM
NK, it is Bramhanda and Not Bramha. Even if I were Bramha, I would not need to get Shiva's help to destroy this thread. :-)
Thank you for the comments!!!!
With all due respect, the thread will die when there is no more interest in it like everything does.
While I support your candid views of letting it whither away with dignity--which is what will happen inevitably-- , I would like to mention that you could opt to ignore it while it still pops itself up in the first page towards which I'm not going to add any more efforts after this response.
Till then , bear with it like all the other threads that nestle in this cyberia that could be either ignored or responded to, which is what everyone does.
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| NK |
Posted
on 26-Dec-02 04:05 PM
Thank you for supporting my view that does not support your view. The view of not supporting the view "eventually everything perishes", therefore, bear with it somehow is a non-view. Everything *does* perishes eventually. This is just is. So, my desire not to see this thread goes beyond the realm of *what is.* So until the last breath remains in this perishable body of mine please spare me from explaining *what is.*
Are protean and Brahmanda the same people. I am just confused.
All in the spirit of post xmas blues. Now if you excuse me, Iam going to take 2 aspirins.
(smiley faces)
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 26-Dec-02 06:36 PM
NK,
Live and Let Die!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This, for your eyes only... For your nose: Use Suna Agarbatti!
:P
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| NK |
Posted
on 26-Dec-02 06:52 PM
heheheehe Sitara.
See what happens when you start talking about things that you don't want to talk about? It just keeps on growing and growing - defeats the whole goddamn purpose. Is this the 15 th law of Thermodynamics?
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 26-Dec-02 07:07 PM
It is the 99.99 th law of thermodynamics!!!!
you can't really round it up re kyaa hehe!
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| NK |
Posted
on 26-Dec-02 07:28 PM
Ah!
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| czar |
Posted
on 27-Dec-02 08:56 PM
Ooh ! Ah !
Aoooogah!
Horn Please.
[bhaand mey jaaey laws of thermodynamics]
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 28-Dec-02 01:11 AM
CZAR,
Honk Honk!!!
:P
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| NK |
Posted
on 28-Dec-02 05:23 PM
Hey there Czar Babe! How is it going?
:)
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| forget-me-not |
Posted
on 28-Dec-02 06:03 PM
ke bhai ho maile ta khas kehi bujhina yaar...
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