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| Bilbo Baggins | Posted
on 19-Dec-02 01:58 PM
Does anyone have any ideas on this topic? |
| HariyoNepal | Posted
on 19-Dec-02 03:22 PM
Above remark does not represent Nepal as a whole and has not worked well in the past Above statement is depriving rights of the people from Mountainous region and who are non hindu. This statement also represent discrimination against others. This policy is not geared towards integration of the people from different walks of life rather to segragate. Representatives of the country above promote Nepal as a land of Buddha and light of Asia. But inside majority of the population are discriminated all the time. It is good for political leaders to realize this and try to integrate others so that country can move forward. Unfortunately, this is a tall order which politicians and leaders are not willing to accepet and that is the main cause we are not moving forward, but rather backward. |
| OneGirl_123 | Posted
on 19-Dec-02 03:34 PM
Nepal, home of the MOUNT EVEREST, the only hindu kingdom(i think), and where the himalayas at! Nepal: NATURE'S BEAUTY! didnt write much, does that help? :) |
| safasaja | Posted
on 19-Dec-02 04:27 PM
WHY WOULS SOMEONE PUT SUCH TOPIC TO ANGER SAJHA FANS? I DONT LIKE THIS TOPIC TO BE IN THE SAJHA. SOMEONE TAKE THIS OUT. |
| safasaja | Posted
on 19-Dec-02 05:36 PM
Onegirl: Can you be more openminded. |
| Nepali DajuBhai | Posted
on 19-Dec-02 06:43 PM
There are a couple of identity makes you a hindu and I think in most of the cases Nepal stands out in the world for all these qualities. Despite of a lot of political, terrorists activities going on in the nation the basic values are still alive...! I would rather say a "Sanatani Dharmaalabis.." than a political name of HINDU.. 1. Who believe in Gai, Guru, Ganga, and Om - I will give you more explanation...later 2. Still King exists - so could be a symbol of Hindu unification...like in the past there were great kings such as Rama, Janak, and many more who represent power and unification. 3. Family values are still alive from the sanaatani years...respect to elders, takeing care of your old parents...etc.. 4. Sanskrit is still the dominating language...which means the root is still based on the sanskrit scripture which hinduism has evolved.. 5. Many philosophies have emerged from this holy land...such as saamadhi-meditation practices in the mountains.. 6. The land is still considered sacred and believed to be a shrine for a lot of Indian and Tibetian pilgrims., muktinath is a nice example...hindus have been participating in the pilgrim and this has being alive since the ages 7. Woman are considered holy - people not always practice what is in the scriptures any more but still there are people who are saint like, treat woman as kumari-before marraige, devi-after certain qualities... 8. Some hindu rituals are still alive in the form of festivals...Naag Pooja, Tihar, Father's days, Mothers day, Krisnasathami...etc...almost 365- every day is a ritual..if you really think it spiritually..and every human is a GOD...33 koti devatas.... |
| Tropical | Posted
on 19-Dec-02 11:12 PM
The open mindedness in Hinduism is what the west strives for! |
| Tropical | Posted
on 19-Dec-02 11:12 PM
What was and is in Hinduism eons ago the west is adopting! |
| Tropical | Posted
on 19-Dec-02 11:15 PM
christ learned from the tradition of Krishna........ |
| Tropical | Posted
on 19-Dec-02 11:16 PM
Hinduism shows kindness ! Hinduism shows passion in work! |
| Tropical | Posted
on 19-Dec-02 11:18 PM
If you don't believe in Hinduism, you don't believe in Life. You don't have to proclaim that you believe in Hinduism. You just have to follow the path shown by Hinduism. If even unknowingly you follow the path of Sanatan Dharma then you are a Hindu in principle. |
| Tropical | Posted
on 19-Dec-02 11:23 PM
Hinduism is that golden flower which smell good! ummm hmmmm....... Hinduism is the nectar which provides life for our spirit.................. Hinduism is your mother who secures your childhood.................... Hinduism is your father who guides you into maturity.................... Hinduism is your friend with whom you can seek support................ Hinduism is your wealth which you can never out spend............... |
| Tropical | Posted
on 19-Dec-02 11:24 PM
Because Nepali people believe in the hindu principle of life, nepal is a true hindu kingdom. |
| Tropical | Posted
on 19-Dec-02 11:26 PM
Nepali people live their 'Dharma'. Dharma is not much separated from karma (karya). They do not have to go anywhere for performing 'Dharma'. Dharma is life! |
| Tropical | Posted
on 19-Dec-02 11:29 PM
If you don't believe in the hindu principle of life, you don't belong in Nepal. Please if you are still in , get out !! :) note that: I am separating The hindu principle from the hindu Dharma. Even if you do not proclaim to be a hindu but lead a hindu life you are a hindu. |
| Tropical | Posted
on 19-Dec-02 11:31 PM
Chineese people pronounce and call hindu as indu. The chineese language experts please verify. |
| Tropical | Posted
on 19-Dec-02 11:33 PM
Buddha was a hindu! |
| Tropical | Posted
on 19-Dec-02 11:35 PM
Shiva's abode is kailash a mountain in Nepal. |
| Tropical | Posted
on 19-Dec-02 11:36 PM
YOGA, now practiced widely in the west came from Hindutwa. |
| Tropical | Posted
on 19-Dec-02 11:37 PM
Hinduism is cool! |
| safasaja | Posted
on 20-Dec-02 12:14 AM
It is wrong to say Nepal as the only Hindu Kingdom. So many people in the mountain region are all Buddhist. As fas as I know, 80 percent of the tourism industry has something to do with Buddhism. We should be more open minded so that others dont feel like left out. Buddhist dont mention about the problem since it only creates problem. But appreciating their contribution is very important for nation as a whole. Lets be considerate so that we can make Sajha welcoming for everyone. |
| safasaja | Posted
on 20-Dec-02 12:27 AM
OneGirl: Mt Everest is associated more with Buddhism. In north is Tibbat and in south is home of Sherpa, Solukhumbu. Those people who climb the mountains are Sherpa. Before ascending for summit, Sherpa monk perform puja per Buddhist culture. By the way, our hariyo forests are all gone to India thanks to Politician. |
| OneGirl_123 | Posted
on 20-Dec-02 02:25 PM
damn safasaja, i was just tryin to help....my bad if i got anything wrong! Tropical....thats great u all religious and stuff....but i don't agree with how u said "if u don't believe in hinduism than u don't believe in life" u gotta respect the fact that people have different beliefs and believe in different things! just a thought :) |
| safasaja | Posted
on 21-Dec-02 04:49 PM
Yeah, with people like OneGirl and Tropical are like Inaar ko Bhyaguta. All those propaganda are nohingt but to suppress other religions. Saying like Buddha is avatar of Bishnu is just a typical one. And the list goes on. But truth always comes out truth. You may say that in Nepal. But if you want other Buddhists in abroad, they will laugh at you and think you are stupid and ignorant people. |
| OneGirl_123 | Posted
on 22-Dec-02 02:02 PM
safasaja....people like me?? what the fk did i say? don't talk when u dont know wat the fk u talkin about!...how does wat i said make me ignorant? u are just way into this thread....and why do u think this thread is goin to anger people? Take a break, it will get ur mind off things and don't take life too seriously! :) |
| OneGirl_123 | Posted
on 22-Dec-02 02:03 PM
oopss! forgot to add...Safasaja, seems to me u the ignorant one aite! |
| johnny_doe | Posted
on 22-Dec-02 03:03 PM
Nepal IS the ONLY Hindu Kingdom in the world, whether you like it or not. People living in the mountains aren't all Buddhists. They can also be Shamans and Bonpos. I don't think Buddhists even make up 5% of Nepal's pop. |
| Raru | Posted
on 22-Dec-02 04:48 PM
Mr johnny_doe Nepal Hindu is not as Indian Hindu. Buddha is 10 th incarnation which all Nepali Hindu believe and Nepal Hindu is both Hindu/ Buddhist. |
| safasaja | Posted
on 23-Dec-02 12:18 AM
Jonhny Doe: I think Buddhist make at least 6 times or more than what official figure is in the kingdom. There are many practices like shamanism with Buddhism and Bonpo is a fraction. But that does not matter since your dude in the tathyanka bivag can manipulate the numbers as much as they want to create their own propaganda. All I am saying is you have to give a due respect to others in order to move the country ahead and has to have a god representation. Everybody knows the past propaganda is useless and it did not work. Just like a neta saying in 1990, "We will make Nepal like Singapore in 10-15 years." Look at where we are now. By the way, Buddha is not the 10th incarnation of anyone. Budhha does not need to be reincarnated. Buddha is above everything. Siddhartha was already Buddha. He came to liberate other living being by turning the wheel of dharma in Deer Park. Siddhartha is a 4th Buddha and the bext Buddha is known as Buddha Maitriya. Hope this is informative. Respect others as you would them to respect you. |
| johnny_doe | Posted
on 23-Dec-02 04:33 PM
Yo Safasaja, whether you like it or not, Buddha was a NORTH INDIAN prince. He never looked oriental, he looked INDIAN. If you think he looked like Magars or Rais then please go and bang your head against the wall. He was a madhise, the same people we like to make fun of in Nepal. Buddha is the 10th incarnation in Hinduism. Your Buddhism is an offshoot of Hinduism. Of course for Buddhists he isn't an incarnation of Vishnu. |
| Biruwa | Posted
on 23-Dec-02 06:41 PM
safasaja, You claim that People will laugh at what Tropical or oneGirl says. You also try to denote them as kuwa ko Bhyaguta. This means that you do not good things to happen to them, do you? However it seems you are trying to support Buddhism. Is this what Buddhism has taught you. TO try to "out talk" the other and tell everybody that they are ignorant and that you are the only knowledgeable one? Egoism is that problem which plagues most human kind today. We think that a single minute of fame or a promotion in our job is the ultimate success that we can achieve. We praise those who have accumulated wealth not those who share what little they have. We like those who gives us gifts not those whose gift of thought makes us enlightened. If we think that Buddha was an incarnation of Bishnu then why do you have to poke your nose? and try to say that Buddhists will tease us. Does it scare you to be teased? Then you do not practice Buddhism. You practice populism! |
| safasaja | Posted
on 23-Dec-02 09:28 PM
JohnDoe and Biruwa: Buddha was born in Lumbini and nobody can change that. No matter how hard India tries, Lumbini is Lumbini and it is in Nepal. And I am not arguing about that. But what Anand says that Lumbini is being used as a begging bawl is nothing secret. You know that very well. As a Nepali if we are so ready to defend Lumbini, we should promote it and make it a Mecca for Buddhist all over the world. That is a better way to tell the world that Buddha was born in Nepal. Then media in India will not try to bring the issue again. Any Buddhist who visit Lumbini feels bad as nothing has happened there other than the masterplan. All the important items, statues and architects have been removed. But the dire state of Lumbini is giving opportunity for India to bring up the issue in media. In regards to Buddhism, obviously I will defend what is my belief and tradition. You will feel the same if someone makes false statement against your religion. But I have never done that. Things like these are sensitive and can have ripple effect. Saying such things are very disrespecting which should not be ignored. You can believe whatever you want , but you should not try to inforce that to others. Time has changed my friend Biruwa. We must move forward and to do so we have to be broadminded and appreciate what others have to offer. But if anyone still argue and try to tell others what is not true i, dont you think they are what I said. By the way, I dont need anyone to tell me what I practise. I know it very well. But I cant stand false statement against my belief. All I have done and am still doing is telling people that we have to appreciate the existance of multi culture and Nepal is home to lot of those. If we can appreciate and respect each other, as a citizen we can move forward. Otherwise, there will be always doubt and injustice among different ethinicity which brought our nation to this state. Let us show the world what Nepal is and what it has to offer and in doing so nobody will dare pointing their finger at us again. But to do so, we have to correct few things among ourselves. Dont you agree with me? I am sure other sajha friends will also agree with me. |
| quasar | Posted
on 23-Dec-02 11:12 PM
Hi I, think there is no doubt about Nepal being named as the only Hindu country in the world, and we are proud about it, but it doesn't necessarily imply that other religions present in Nepal are ignored. The best analogy would be Nepal being called as the land of Himalayas, top of the world, Land of Mount Everest. This is because we are proud and famous for having such wonderful summits of the world. But it doesn't imply that there is no terai in Nepal or the Royal Chitwan National Park is trivial. We are called as the Hindu Country because of the glorious past of hinduism embedded in Nepal. It is not about number of people. And lets not forget, we are equally proud of calling Nepal as the land of Buddha, land of peace. We are proud because Buddha was born here. If we go by the secular feeling, we have to consider all the religions in Nepal, Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, Muslim, Jain etc. And when we start naming our country with indivudual religion, the identity of Nepal becomes divided. Nepal being named as Hindu country doens't mean other religions are condoned or himiliated or ignored. Each religion has its own merit to be respected, recognized. I think Nepal is an excellent example of religious coexistence. Hinduism is attached to Nepal not because 80% of people are Hindu, but because of the past, our heritage, our identity. So "The only Hindu Country in the world", "The top of the World", "The birth land of Gautam Buddha", "The peace Zone" are all prides of Nepal, not the reasons to start secular arguments. |
| safasaja | Posted
on 24-Dec-02 05:44 PM
Quasar: I appreciate your comment. I hope my argument is not leading anyone to negative, but to more informative and better understanding. I am proud of what you have to say. Slowly but steadily we can improve and united everyone. But comment likeJohny Doe is surely not making any Buddhist happy. I could write somethings which you will definitely not agree and argue like me. But I have never done that and will not do that. Making fun of madhesi is not good either. It just shows ego and biased towards them. Whether we like it or not, everything in Nepal is relying on them. If Johny Doe and others alike can open up themselves more to southerners, it will be a small but important progress for betterment. You dont have to necessarily wear Dhaka topi and daura sulway to be patriotic. Dhoti and Bakkhu which are traditional is also a same way to expressing patriotism. Look at those mother fkers netas who wear daura sulwal daily who brought the country so this state in the name of democracy. I am sure you understand what I mean by now. Wish you all a Happy Holiday Season. |
| Garibjanata | Posted
on 24-Dec-02 08:51 PM
WHERE DID THIS WORD HINDU ORIGINATE FROM ? It is obvious that the term "Hindu" and "India" originated from river Indus (=Sindhu). In a way it has nothing to do with the religion. The people were referred to as "hindus" by others, the region was refered to as "Hindu" by others. Whether the name was given by Turks in medieval times or Greeks in pre-biblical times, does n't change one thing: the term "hindu" did not have a religious meaning. WHO IS A HINDU? Even though one can argue that the terms "hindu" was accepted for the existing religion of India, it is not so simple when the term has meaning like "One can believe in any god or no god and still be a Hindu!" Some commentators tried to explain this paradox as follows: "But the culture we now know as Hinduism and which the Indians call Sanatana Dharma - Eternal Law - predates that label by thousands of years. It is more than a religion in the doctrinal sense that the West understands religion. One can believe in any god or no god and still be a Hindu. It is a way of life, a state of mind. http://www.geocities.com/guruforum/n-hindu01.htm |
| Aludai | Posted
on 25-Dec-02 05:07 AM
Mr Garibjanata, I agree with your point. Infact Hinduism is more of a philosophy about our lives originating from our part of the worls than a concrete religion. This is our history and we should feel proud of it. It has lots of good things about life, ways to peaceful living etc.Over a period of time, certain practices like 'caste sytem, have come into place which originally reflected people's work.This should be a mobile structure and the practice of discrimination is the one we should get rid of. I think this wil come with a better education. I respect all the religions including Buddhism as all of them teach good things.It is the people practising these religions fight with each other for thier own political agenda- no fault of the religion. |
| safasaja | Posted
on 26-Dec-02 05:10 AM
JohnyDoe: You said, "Buddha is Madise, the same people you like to make fun of." I feel bad about you, not tose southernersi. Madhise are also Hindu, but you cannot think of them as equal or capable person and so you make fun of them.Within you religion you treat others racially. But everything you do and everything in your STATE OF MIND is derived from Madhise. The way you talk, dress, eat, your past, dharma, and things you do now. You cannot even escape for a moment Have you watched a latest Hindi movie. But I dont think you can accept that. Because you have that big rgo. If you feel such a way about Madhise, I dont know how do you treats others such as Newaris and moutain people. I am sure you go by their typical nicknames. Bottom line is you cannot accept someone as your equal in Nepal. No wonder other people like southerners and others laugh at you. I think I was right in sayng you as "Kuwa ko Bhyaguta." |
| khudkilo | Posted
on 27-Dec-02 09:41 PM
On New Year’s Day let's pray for a Nepal Of peace and goodwill. May God's light enter the hearts of all men and convey truth, understanding, mercy and love. May we all join hearts and hands so that we can live together, grow together, and build a better Nepal as brothers and sisters, united under God. |
| Blaze | Posted
on 28-Dec-02 05:25 PM
I always thought Nepal is called the only Hindu Kingdom in the world because Nepal is ruled by monarchy (king).. and the monarchs (shahs) are of Hindu Religion.. I could be wrong though. But this does seem inappropriate because that sounds like all the people of Nepal follow Hindu religion which is untrue. Only people who are Hindu in my opinion are Brahmins, Chettris, Thakuris and the Tarai people. Others follow Buddism or are Shamans.. |
| safasaja | Posted
on 29-Dec-02 07:24 PM
Blaze: You are somewhat right. But there has been so much changes and some of the rulers of people are still sticking by the old rule. May be old thought is the way to control and suppress others. Again that is no secret either. No other religion suffered more line Buddhism in the past 200-300 years. But that is history and not worth talking about. What we need to be doing is focusing for the future. Right now is the time when we need to be understanding and make a good representation of all the common folks. |
| psvfsolutions | Posted
on 14-Jan-03 05:05 PM
This is actually what happened in Nepal due to the small village kingdows ruled with superstitions that later interpretated Vedic Wisdom for the power of the bigger kings and its feudal sectarianism, then predominantly Shah dynasty and Rana attocracts's and their secretaries brainwashed the minds of the people of Nepal. Study of Vedic Wisdom such as Upanisadas and Geeta treatened and Buddists monastries survived in the seclusion with its teaching and Sutras. Here's the detail: In Nepal since the time of village kings and particularly from the dawn of Shah dynasty to the Panchayet period the Sectarian Feudalism had brain washed mind of the people with its ruling methodology by misinterpreting Vedic Wisdom into Hindu believes, rituals and superstitions. For example, propagating believe that the king is the incarnation of a god; constitutionally declaring that Nepal is a Hindu country; practice of discrimination with the caste system that has religious connotation and justifications; and etc. This Sectarian Feudalism has still now divided the lives of people as rulers and subjects. Rulers of this system are not only the king but also chosen groups of individuals from particular caste and clan for the positions such as secretaries, securities, civil servants, and police forces. Therefore, this is our “each one of us Nepali’s” opportunity to think over clearly from the self-liberating aspects of Vedic Wisdom and to the values of Democracy and modern economics. We must clearly examine insightfully for ourselves the difference between the values and believes of our Sectarian Feudalistic tradition ‘Hindu’ in which we live and Vedic Wisdom that stand for humanity, its happiness and freedom as commentated in Upanisadas, Geeta, and other scripts of Veda etc. We must remember martyred Sukraraj Shastri who was executed for spreading study of Srimad Bhagvata Geeta in Nepal during Rana regime. Among Nepali public through out the county it was propagated that “one who studies Geeta will become a madman” to prevent the wisdom that can question the Sectarian Feudalistic believes and values that were falsely diverted in the name of religion ‘Hindu’. For your information the name ‘Hindu’ is not the native name of the Vedic Wisdom. It is a foreign name given by the first Persian invaders of South Asia to the civilization of Sindh-river. Simply it is the result of mispronunciation of the word ‘Sa’ which is pronounced in Persian ‘ha’. So it is all Sectarian Feudal politics that wants Nepal to be a Hindu country to continue with the Feudalism and give no rights to Nepali people to think over the matter and seek of better life. This what at this time we have to understand and through education and Democracy transform our mind from the limited Sectarian thinking. Vedic Wisdom and Buddha speeks for the well-being of the mankind as a hole beyond caste, creed, tribe and race. We Nepali as humans will have to live our lives in our beautiful country that we have not yet been able to appreciate. |
| Tick | Posted
on 14-Jan-03 09:32 PM
psvsolutionji, I like your style, you are articulate and write well. Nepal have been ruled by the kings for centuries. The tradition, culture and belief system of Nepal is the product of centuries old civilization. I do not agree that the Shahs and the Ranas are the cause of the culture of Nepal. You have said that these rulers manipulated the minds of the people to rule. You could not be more wrong. I am sure you have heard the Panchayat system; I am not talking about the system that King Mahendra brought. This is the system that was developed over period of time and practiced in Nepal and India. It is a fact that we have a strong cast system, I do agree that we have problems of discrimination, we superstition, I do agree that we have problems, many problems but blaming the entire ills of a society to a group or a class of people is very immature. Please take a look at the developing and developed societies they all have some or all of the problems if not more. The culture of Nepal is diverse, this is the strength of it not weakness. The monarchy, the culture, the religion and the belief system is the byproduct of Nepal and we should be proud of it. Sure, there are things in society that I do not like and disagree, does that make a society that needs to be abolished? NO. I love our culture, the freedom it gives. I was an atheist at one point of my life no one objected. At one point in my life I believed that modified communism (similar to semi dictatorship) was good for the country, no one objected, every one would listen to me what they have to say. I have had discussions but it was open. Every one was willing to listen to me. I am not an atheist nor believe in a modified communism anymore. Where else in the world can you find such an open society that will let you believe what ever you want to believe or practice. In short problems exist in every society, problems need to be identified and resolved, but if you are saying that we can only advance if we kill our culture, no one with the right mind will agree to that. >Vedic wisdom and Buddha speaks for he well-ness being of mankind as a whole beyond > cast, creed, tribe and race. You have nailed the essence of the Hindu/Buddhist religion but you are mixing philoshopy, culture and tradition (this only makes a khitadi :-). Even-tough Culture and tradition are two separate issues they are closely tied. Culture is the byproduct of philosophy and traditions is the byproduct of culture. There are 3 visible layers between philosophy, culture and tradition. There is no social issues attached with the philosophy and culture, the problem lies in traditions. Caste system is the prime example of this. Cast system existed before the mallas. But it was imposed by the malla king made it rigid, the rest of the tiny kingdoms quickly followed. Rest is history. This is what we see today. |
| Jah | Posted
on 14-Jan-03 09:52 PM
I and I is Nepal. Them are not Nepal. I and I only have da culture. Them peopal have no culture. Them have only deceit. Them no have chyabrung, Samala, Sorati,Dohari. Them cant even sing. Them have no food. Them have no drinks. Them have no culture. Them are only Vulture. Da truth! |
| isolated freak | Posted
on 14-Jan-03 10:04 PM
I and I is Nepal. Them are not Nepal. I and I only have da culture. Them peopal have no culture. Them have only deceit. Them no have chyabrung, Samala, Sorati,Dohari. Them cant even sing. Them have no food. Them have no drinks. Them have no culture. Them are only Vulture. Da truth! jah, what does this mean? maile bujhena: OK, let's talk about cultures. Every group has its own culture. There's not a single group that has no culture. Furthermore, there are sub-cultures within cultures. So, I and I don't understand what YOU and YOU say. You have sorathi, dohari, maruni, selo fine, but you don't have Nava Durga Nach, Kaal Bhairav Nach, Pachali Bhairav Nach, lakhe, Mha Puja, Dashain, Tihar, Gai Jatra, Ghode Jatra, Indra Jatra, Sithi Nakha, Yomari Puni, Raxya Bandhan, Teej, Basanta Panchami, Shiva Ratri, Bhoto Jatra, Gathemangal and many other festivals. You and You are not only Nepal. Let's talk about food: 1. Do you have yomari, kachila, choela, sel, kasar, malpua, thalthale, sekuwa, sinki etc.? So, you and YOU only LIE. You never speak da truth. You are dem people for US. |
| isolated freak | Posted
on 14-Jan-03 10:07 PM
and YOU are GOOD at TELLING us 'em STORIES. |
| jimpathi | Posted
on 15-Jan-03 09:57 AM
Current News: Now I know why Tenzing Sherpa left Nepal because netas didn't and still dont give a damn to sherpa as long as netas can make money. So called sharma telling sherpa what to do in Lumbini Development. Discrimination again and again and again. I wonder why do we need this Sharma guy in Lumbini Development if he is from different faith. Why dont they take care of their own things? Then they talk so much so Buddhism and Lumbini and do nothing. Are they afraid they will have no other resources to chew money or are they afraid that Buddhism will be very very very popular. How long can they use Lumbini as a begging bowl?????? |
| psvfsolutions | Posted
on 15-Jan-03 10:38 AM
Dear Tick, here's the question - Can a culture address reality? Can also culture justify the suffering of people? Can culture see the light in which mankind is suffering with poverty, malnuetrition, illetracy? Can culture ask the question that who is responsible for all this unnecessary suffering that mankind can overcome easily no or could have overcome long ago ? If culture had understood or thought clearly or meditate upon these problems honestly, I could say of course it could do it all. Since humans. are social being it is inevitable for us to live in a culture that allows us to interact with each other, share our feelings and thoughts, share our resources. But we have to think and question those values of culture that makes us degrade, dishonest, thoughless, superstitious, stupid, irresponsible, etc. We have to question we are being manupulated by some strong personality that is inevitable living together. Therefore, we had person like Buddha took birth, we Laxmiprasad Devkota, etc. We have to rethink and grow withour culture to be realistic and beneficial to all that we live together. Not only for the selected group of people that tradition said they are the kings and Pandits. Thanks for your comments |
| ? | Posted
on 15-Jan-03 03:45 PM
>>Hinduism is cool! Depends on how you use practice it frankly. |
| Tick | Posted
on 15-Jan-03 03:56 PM
Dear pvss ji, Culture is the way of life; culture is the result of civilization. We used to be proud of our culture and traditions. Evaluation of every aspect of history proves that. We were always proud of our culture, not just as Nepal if you look all around the world you will find that people treasure their culture. Culture is not static either. Culture does not feed people, nor provides security, culture does not provide political solutions but it gives us the basis on which our decisions are based on. We are consciously and unconsciously affected by our culture, in every day life. This is how every person functions in this universe. How can Nepali be an exception? In your definition you seem to be opposed to the power of the pundits and the kings I do not disagree with you. On the softer side, there will always be group of people or another that will benefit from power, be is democracy, monarchy, dictatorship or communish and is evident in every part of the world. Culture does not make anyone “stupid, thoughtless, dishonest or superstious”. I remember a conversation when I was little one of my relative offered a tip of 5 rupees to a hired worker who was cutting wood for him. The worker looked at his eyes and politely refused to take the money, he said that he will not take anything more than what he has earned. Now where can you find this type of honesty in the world, today? (it is even harder to find it in Nepal). The qualities of a person is the result of education. If some one is stupid, that is not because he does not have brains; it means that he is not educated. There are many people in the world today that are not “smart” in today’s standard or you can call them “stupid” but it is not wise to say that people are stupid because of their culture. It is easy to make a scrape goat for the problems of Nepal to culture as many have no understanding or the concept of culture. For many, culture is just a tradition. If you re implying that we need to redefine our tradition, I agree with you, but if you say we need to change our culture, I could not disagree more. The great personalities like Buddha and Devkota are the from our culture. How can the culture that produces such great personalities be bad?? |
| boston_dude | Posted
on 16-Jan-03 09:40 AM
Hey, I am a Buddhist and when I hear Nepal being referred to as the only Hindu Kingdom, it pisses the heck out of me. To me, it is yet another example of the suppression that my religion has faced in Nepal. Even to this day. I take it as a form of aggression. You probably would not understand the gravity of this if you are a Hindu because quite frankly you are on the beneficiary side. You are on the side that has suppressed us for a long long time and would not know what it feels to be on the other side. What would a rich man know about the pain of poverty? Nepali politics, culture and tradition has been very unfair to its vast majority in many ways: caste discrimination, gender discrimination, and religious discrimination. For a long time the ruling class, gender and caste (and therefore religion) has gotten away with it as the population is vastly uneducated. Thank god times are changing and we will surely demand what is fair. I am a Tamang and many of us have already started changing our ways. Today, we dont do the things we did just 10 yrs or so ago: like celebrating Dashain. My family and most people from my village dont celebrate Dashain no more. We celebrate Loshar instead. This is not just a trend with Tamang but also with many other castes who have relised what has happened to them through out history. Times are changing. We are asking for what is fair and calling Nepal, "A Hindu Kingdom" is NOT fair. B_D. |
| Baba | Posted
on 16-Jan-03 10:19 AM
Now don't start any religious war here. I think, Hindi-Buddhist relationship in Nepal is the best for decades and is the only living example in the world about religious harmony. We always respect each others beliefs and attend each others celebrations. We consider Nepal as "Zone of Peace" because Buddha was born in Nepal . Does that any way mean that Nepal has only Buddhist? Similarly though Nepal is a Hindu kingdom, it does not mean the other religions are not given any priority. |
| boston_dude | Posted
on 16-Jan-03 11:23 AM
Baba, Religious harmony??? what harmony are you talking about? I call it suppression. When one group of people are dominated by another and are not allowed to voice their opinion, it is not harmony. It might seem harmonious to others, but it certainly is not to the suppressed ones. Sure, you could consider Nepal a zone peace, this and that..... but how do the people in the suppressed group feel? Be it religion or otherwise. And, Nepal a zone of peace??? what peace are you talking about? Look at what is happening in the country today. There is a civil war going on leaving thousands dead every year. Look at the recent royal massacre, and the equally violent ones in the history. Nepal is NOT a zone of peace my friend. Look, I am not trying to start a religious war here, for this is not the place to do so. I am just expressing anger that one feels when his religion is suppressed and his country is called "the only hindu kingdom". B_D. |
| tick | Posted
on 16-Jan-03 11:37 PM
Boston_dude ji, I am sorry to hear your feelings of suppression. I hear your frustration. We can all speak for ourselves. As far as I am concerned I have not seen religious harmony unlike Nepal in any part of the world. In Nepal Hindus go to Buddhist temples and Buddhist go to Hindu temples. Don't you call this harmony? Being born as a Hindu I have visited Buddhist temples, learned Buddhist philosophy and spent time in the Buddhist monasteries and ghyangs. I have had numerous occasions where I had discussed about Buddhist philosophy with Buddist/Tibetian monks. If you want to know all the details we have to do it off line. There is so much information to share it could be a book. However if you call social segregation or caste discrimination is an issue, this is not a Buddhist/Hindu issue. This is a social issue. I do not agree with the caste system. Thank you for saying that I am rich. Tapai ko mukh ma dudh bhat jyous. I do not want to convey the hardships I had to go through to grow up; again, this is not important. Religious segregation and discrimination is against Hindu and Buddhist philosophies. When I say Hindu philosophy I am taking the term as the philosophy of the Vedas and Upashanids. (There are issues raised by some scholars that Hindu is a foreign word and represented people that lived across Sindh river, may be so, but I am using the term that is most widely used, I do not like to be called a Hindu but please give me a better definition, before taking it away). It is good that you have chosen to celebrate Losar rather than Desain. I celebrate both. Let us at least try to make peace prevail! Let peace prevail in our hearts and minds for the world to be a better place! |
| boston_dude | Posted
on 17-Jan-03 09:35 AM
tick I think you misunderstood me. I was not calling YOU rich. I was simply giving an example of how one would see the world or fail to see the world. Like a man who is born rich could not truely appreciate the pains of being poor. I have no idea whether you are rich or poor obviously. I am also not discussing about caste discrimination and other issues here on this thread of course. Just pointing out a few discriminatory issues in Nepal. My main point is: what you call religious harmony is not real. It might seem harmonious to you but, not to us. How would calling Nepal a Hindu kingdom seem harmonious, fair.... (however you might want to phrase it) to us? B_D. |
| Baba | Posted
on 17-Jan-03 06:34 PM
Boston dude, Let me tell you what I think. Nepal though called a Hindu Kingdom, it dos not mean that it has no other religions and it suppresses other religions. If you think so , many people are not a great fan of our monarchy but still use of word like" Kingdom " but it do not supress you or me. Similarly, our National anthem praises our monarchy but we still sing it and i don't see it supressing our Democracy. Again, Nepal is often called a mountainous country but it does not supress me though I come from terai. Furthermore, What about locating our country itself in " Bharatiya Upa Mahadeep"? does that mean that only India is there? do we feel supressed? What about western continents named after " America" ? Does that any way suppress canada, mexico or costa rica ? I think wise people likeyou simply underst however, if people are ignorant, then we have to face a big challenge to make them understand why something is so. It looks like you are in America. You must have by now seen and learnt so much about the world and how things are.I think from the historical time Nepal has been ruled by people who came from India and were predomintly hindu. And also our Kings who are always powerful are hindu, it is not difficult to see how it could have originated. but we can see it being not fair but at the same time accept as wise people. let me tell also a poem by our Aadi kabi if you have heard it some where. At that time (nearly 150 yrs ago) he wrote " Hasnu hunna naarile hase besya kahalauchhan". how fair do you see it today for women?? But why did we called him Aadi Kavi when he sesized the human right to laugh from half of the country's population? But we now understand the society of that time and judge the poem to be fine. So do not get deeply worried about it. Though I am Hindu, I am with you to protect your religious rights if any thing of descrimination is done from hindu. |
| pipaldanda | Posted
on 17-Jan-03 09:00 PM
Kathmandu where two religions meet ! Forum: soc.culture.nepal Subject: Kathmandu where two religions meet Date: 1997/02/09 Like many religions in the world, Hinduism and Buddhism appear like two separate entities in the world but not so in Kathmandu. In Shri Lanka there is conflict between these two religious groups but when someone looks at the cultural ties between these two religions in Kathmandu, it always appears as inseparable, even though we talk about Hinduism and Buddhism as separate entities. Buddhism was emanated from Hindhuism, hence it is simple and modern form of religion. Interesting thing is how it gets complicated in Kathmandu is still a open question for discussion. If somebody asks me if I am a Hindhu the answere would be yes. If somebody ask me if I am a Buddhist, the answere would be still yes. The reason behind this is because we Kathmandu people go to both Hindhu and Buddhist temples. Let us take an example of Swayambunath temple (monkey temple), there are two important shrines "Ajima" and the Bhodhisatwa (Swoyambhu) sitting next to each other. Swoyambhu is a pure buddhist shrine, there is no doubt about it. What about "Ajima"? In newari meaning Blissful mother. To the Hindhus she is worshiped as "Bhagabati" or goddess"Kali". If you look at the prist who can be seen in front of the temple in cross-leg position performing the puja (worship) is a Gavaju (newari bhuddhist prist) or Sakya. In one hand he has a replica of a "Bajra mala", Tibetans call it Dorje (one kind of thunder bolt which is displayed in gigantic form to the east in front of the Swayambhu temple). In another hand he has a bell which he tinkles rhythmatically with the chanting of the holy bhuddhist mantra. The "Bajra mala" or Dorje in Tibetan (one kind of very destructable thunderbolt) according to the newari legend was captured by one famous newari tantrician "Jamana" Gavaju (newari bhuddist prist). He tied it by his tantric power and kept it in captivity in front of the Swayambhu temple to be used as a tantric power of destruction in its controled form to drive away evil spirits and demonds. This Bajra Mala also is used by Tibetan Monks and plays an important part in religious performances. In newari language "Mala" is Thunderbolt or lightning and the newari tantrician in those days have classified into different kinds in accordence with the appearence of the flash or very large spark that marks a typical type of destruction when it strikes. The other kinds of lightnings still in its uncontrolable form and according to the legend marks the trail of destruction in the present day world are "Pa Mala" (Pa in newari meaning axe) which splits like an axe when it strikes; "Gonga mala" (Gonga meaning rooster in Newari) which appears like a rooster but strikes like a trail of chicken scraches; "Mi Mala" (Mi meaningFire) which destroys like a burning flame of fire. It is interesting to note about the consiousness of the people with regard to lightning hazard in the old days of Kathmandu. Since the Gavaju (newari buddhist prist) was unable to capture all the other kinds of lightning except "Bajra", they were able to find different tantric method as a solution to save at least the important temples and places. You can see these tantric method applied in important temples by displaying erotic carvings in public. It is a tantric belief that the goddess of lightning whichever form it may be is a virgin and would not visit such places. The Buddhist prist in Hindhu temple, and the cultural mixture of Hinduism and Buddhism in a very complicated form in Kathmandu can be taken as an example of harmony between the religions. Let us look at the important Hindhu festival Dasain and Tihar. Different cultural groups even the buddhist celebrate in their own way. The Newars "New Year " during Tihar is marked by special feast and by constructing bhudhist Tantric Mandala which is a must for the ceromony. Then the body and the soul is blessed with sagun consisting of fried egg and fish with a small bowlful of "Musagu ela" (typical newari Raksi or liquor) and variety of dishes. The most interesting thing is "Sukunda" (a typical newari oil lamp with image of Ganesh, the hindu god) is a must in any kind of festival whether Buddhist or Hindhu. Ganesh has two wives one is "Luck" and another is "Wisdom" Everybody wants to be blessed by Ganesh in order to achieve success in life by obtaining Luck and wisdom. Every corner streets of old Newari towns are marked by small or big temples of Ganesh and his faithful shrew. Ganesh likes "Laddoo" (sweet ball) and Tuesday is the special day to visit Ganesh temple with sweet balls. In newari society in Kathmandu every family in the house sends special puja every day to the nearest Ganesh temple. Such is the complexity of religion in Kathmandu. |
| dreadman | Posted
on 19-Jan-03 01:02 AM
ONE Last appeal to all them peopal who believe in da truth. My appeal to the admin of da site too. I know people have judged I from whatever I wrote. Firstly I am sure some complained to the admin about I. I honor the fact that the admin listened them and he is right in doing so. I believe he will listen to I too. I know there are people that judged I without knowing I. Anyways my point is you should judge people not by his accent or how much education he has. I believe that people judge others by his character and personality. Therefore I would ask all those who opposed to I to come forward and bring their case against I and my character which is I before da peopal of Sajha. As you all know I have been writting for quite a while always sayin that I and I is truth.There must have been points that have given some insight about I. Anyways I would like at least 10 of them peopal to accuse I on the following which I think proves as fundamentals of my character of I. 1. Rastaman always tells truth 2. Alcohol is#1 enemy to Rasta. Rasta hates alcohol 3. Rasta do not smoke 4. Rasta never leaves his Lady for another woman 5. Rasta always give love 6. Rastaman is not educated 7. Rastaman is not racist. 8. Rastaman believes in equality 9. Rastaman do not eat meat 10. Beside his lady Rastaman do not have sex with other So please admin sir let people come forward and judge I. If them defeat I and I cant not prove them wrong I is not going to bother them peopal. If them accept this then you have to let I in. I do not want to bother anyone. Becaust rasta is a real nice guy. |
| psvfsolutions | Posted
on 21-Jan-03 05:29 PM
Tick, You can define culture in many way as per your or his or her perceptictive or thinking. But the fact of the matter is that the culture is the result of our own thought and action. It is hard to see how culture gets formed from each one of us's way of thinking and acting. Thinking occurs in our mind but acting happens in a relation with other person, believe, objects etc. Our thought or mechanics of thinking in our brain cell is the result of our conditioning or result of our upbringing, education, believes in a social environment that has long been formed with thoughts of the members of the particular society in time and space. Regardless of culture humans on this planet act similarly emotionally when the reality is confronted with the crises of sichness, death, famine we all want to survive, every mother suffer if her son or daughter get killed, every parents cling to their childenr for their or their children's security and survival. Our intensity of suffering depends on how we are conditioned meaning - "Are we conditioned or brought up with the intelligence to find out to see things as there are; therefore face the reality and from their form our culture which is inevitable to be formed?" or "We are conditioned to believe in anything that are practised, madeup stories, etc regardless of its reality whatever it is; thereby say "We are Hindu, or Nepal is a Hindu country or Anything propogandas of so called the authority of a culture" then create division between humans such as I am Hindu and you are Buddhist, you are Brahamin and I am untouchable, etc. If you could see how a culture gets formed: not only the simple thoughts and actions of individuals who live in a culture but also by the propogandas of the authority to worship that culture which implies - "if the members of that culture worship thier culture then they accept the commands of the authority regardless of the reality meaning his or her commandments may be true or false." On the contrary, if each member of that culture can see the meaning of the commandments of the authority rationally and process it democratically to question it to see whether it has any corresponding reality, then the culture is formed most intelligently and will not divide humans for a petty little things like "I am Hindu and you are Buddhist". What does really make different within our skin whether you are this or that. But what matters as a human is that do you take the things for granted without intelligent questioning or seeing the thing as it is. This will give us insights to deal with our dialy life. Daily life does not mean here just wake-up, eat, sleep and etc it means human life goes through a process of forming culture from our own living and can we try to live a life as intelligently as we can. Therefore, the question is "Can believes or faiths like of Hindu, Muslim, Christianity, Judism can show us the light of intelligence for our conditioning (which is as inevitable as culture to be processed for humans) and form our culture from our daily living in a community? Or very nature of believes and faiths have not corresponding reality for that light of intelligence? These are the question we have to ask about our culture if we call it Hindu culture or country; we have to question to find out the difference between propogandas and reality that touches the intelligence without which humans will have hard time to survive on this earth. You see, Tick, the religion is not a thing to be named by this name or that name, but a thing to live and see the light in ourselves because the culture is the result of our living on those days that were gone by though it may have many essence, guidelines and feedbacks for the coming generations. If you consider the time intelligently then you will say "We have time only NOW" becasue if yesterday had come it had of course come at the moment of NOW and if tomorrow will come it can only come at the moment of NOW". There is no other time except for the MEMORY OF HUMANS. But a Culture is a living thing becasue those who carry memory, believes, habits, festivals, rituals etc are living now in a culture as each individual human of that culture. These living humans form the culture. I do not say our culture is this our that in comparision with other culture but what I am saying is that if we are serious, honest and work hard to create a sensible culture that is good for all mankind living there then it is worth defending it. We have to question as upper caste members of that culture how much injustice I do to others, as a Hindu how much do I intollerate other believes and faiths, etc. We must face the fact that we have a lot of problems at this moment in Nepal due to our way of living in Nepal, things we believe in, on thoughts we think over in our everyday life etc. |
| Blaze | Posted
on 22-Jan-03 02:34 AM
What up people.. this is one interesting topic.. people should really check this one. Anyway, I just found an interesting article about Nepal by a German writer Karl-Heinz Kraemer. I thought you all would find this interesting, I know I did: Peep this site out: http://nepalresearch.org/publications/donnerfs.htm Me personally, I agree 100% with what the writer is talking about. If you have time, please read this and drop in your thoughts. One |
| psvfsolutions | Posted
on 22-Jan-03 02:56 PM
Yes Blaze: Any one who is emotionally attached to the propoganda that calls Nepal a Hindu nation better read this article which can help us to realize what we really are. It is not that easy to face the reality. But it is easy to indulge the propoganda associating one's own image to it with some social or personal unknown vested interest. Here's the part of the article to focus on: Bista's book reads like a reply to the well-known conception of Nepali historiography. According to Bista, the Khas, belonging to the Caucasoid race, and the Tibeto-Mongolian Kirant – in the ancient Indian scriptures a collective term for the non-Arian peoples of the Himalayan area – were Nepal's oldest population groups; and they also were the first to found states on the territory that is now called Nepal. In ancient days both these groups were practitioners of shamanism and animism. Bista denies the theory of Sanskrit scholars that groups from the Indian plains, like the Buddhist Shakyas or the Koliyas, Mallas, Licchavis and Guptas, immigrated to Nepal in very early days. He claims that at least some of them were indigenous Nepali dynasties, who later constructed their descent from prominent ruling families of the Gangetic plains. It was in Licchavi and Gupta times that Vishnuism entered Nepal, accompanied by the idea of caste. But for many centuries it remained a foreign religion practised only by a very small elite. Shaivaism and Buddhism still were the religions of the masses, and neither of them knew a social stratification based on castes. Bista claims that the visit of the Shankaracharya from Southern India at the end of the Licchavi period had a devastating effect on both mass religions. As intended by the Shankaracharya, the Brahmans, who are called Bahun in Nepal, received a high ritual status with great influence upon the political sphere. Additional land gifts provided them a special economic position as well. Bista states that the revolution initiated by the Shankaracharya overthrew the Licchavi dynasty and, in the course of the disturbances that followed, opened up the way for an even stranger social regime. At the beginning of the second millennium Buddhist institutions and rituals were replaced more and more by those of high caste Hindus, and the influence of the caste system increased. Buddhism which has been acclaimed as the highest expression of Asiatic humanism, which spread throughout the countries of the Middle and Far East, refining customs, art and literature, wiping out misunderstanding and prejudice, shattering the bond of caste and promising peace and redemption for all, the religion which led primitive Nepali society to the dawn of civilization almost disappeared in the country of its origin. ================================ |
| aludai | Posted
on 26-Jan-03 02:34 PM
I was going through the motion and feeling sad about about the thoughts of our new elites (currently in US) mainly regarding their hatred towards each other.I went to a temple today and thought, maybe for a final time in this forum, I should write something. First of all, we all prayed for the peace and well being of everybody.None of us asked others their cast, creed etc. Hinduism is not a religion on its own. It is a conglomerate of different philosophies practised in our part of the world.None of them try to harm fellow human beings and all try to explain the phenomena of our existence.I would not want to force anything on anybody, but if you are interested, you can read these things, understand these things and have peace for yourself.The system of caste and discrimination are part of our social practice.This is a sad thing but happens everywhere (in different forms)and is not a static thing.I do not see our philosophy preaching discrimination. As regards Buddhism, it is another great philosophy originating from Nepal.Buddha himself has denied the existence of God and he himself never projected himself as a God.But if some people try to worship him as God,I am not sure why our friends who are real Buddhists , should have problems.I would appreciate if they want to teach us some of great things regarding Buddha's teaching (which is really great). People can make their own minds regarding Nepal as a Hindu Nation. I am not unduly worried.I hope they stop brewing hatred and promote peaceful co-existence. Some of you will say oh we can't live peacefully with the other lot. This happens and is already happening- see our Maoist problem.It is ony the politicians who will gain from this sort of thing.Ordinary people lose all the time. Good luck and bye! |
| boston_dude | Posted
on 27-Jan-03 09:23 AM
Aludai and others, If anybody would want peace and harmony, it would be us..... Buddhists. Don't you think? However, the problem is when a country is declared Hindu (or any particular religion for that matter).... it has many negative effects. I will give you an example: Why is it that in Nepal, killing a cow is considered quivalent to killing a human being? Does this make any sense? I love eating beef. I really do. People should be allowed to eat what they want. Killing a cow and eating beef should NOT be any more illegal than doing the same on a pig or a goat. (BTW, Buddhists are allowed to eat meat.) Besides, there are very good arguements for keeping religion completely out of politics. Religion and government don't mix, and should not be mixed in my opinion. B_D. |
| rajunpl | Posted
on 27-Jan-03 09:44 AM
Who cares? Whether you are hindu,buddhist,christ,anti-christ,muslim or whateversh*t.The main religion is your faith inside you that guides you to the positive path.Bandit can be any religion with any appearance but he is a bandit. Me personally is a hindu,so what i use to have a catholic girlfriend.You have a religion with it's own principle you follow it and you will be the good citizen of the earth. That's what everybody wants.You can say nepal is the only hindu country of the world.There is nothing to be proud of.You can also imagine hindu in india is more than the hindu population in nepal.You go and watch in the narrow street of ason the river of people flowing in the street and can imagine 80% of them are hindu.Yes. The hindu and muslim fighting in the name of religion in india which can be major news in the everyday local paper.But in nepal is far away from that you can see how the different people with their own diversities living in the peace.Their is no war in the name of religion.They even have no idea about the jihad or the crusade.You can see the KTM valleys full of countless temple but also can see the buddhist enjoying their freedom so thoroughly. Is it the king because of which we all are hindu? ops! don't go for that sh*t and none will ever care. Hinduism is a very quite religion with a neverending thought explained as in gita.Oh yes,we can be the good citizen by following it not by having evil spirit.I don't understand why some people does. You can see the main theme in gita. "whatever you did was good.whatever you doing is good and whatever you going to do in future is good" -gita/rajunpl. If you go for these sort of sh*t there are thousands of'em.What I will suggest is believe in what you do and that will come to you no matter it has to cross millions river. |
| Biruwa | Posted
on 27-Jan-03 11:10 AM
boston_dude, You say "BTW, Buddhists are allowed to eat meat." There in lies your problem. Buddhism is about the practice of non-violence. Buddha himself couldn't see the suffering of another living being. And yet you are a supporter of cow killing and you yourself say that you enjoy beef. You my friend are a hyprocrite. Let's suppose that you were a friend of Buddha. You and Buddha were walking side by side and you come upon a lovely cow which is nursing her calf. You wouldn't think twice about culling the cow and eating her. Now what would Buddha who has just observed your activity do? Is he going to support you and sit by your side and enjoy the meat? You say Buddhists are allowed to eat beef! Who allowed Buddhists to eat beef? Infact let me ask a more fundamental question. Who said that it was Ok for the Buddhists to kill a cow? BTW, Buddha was a True Hindu. |
| boston_dude | Posted
on 27-Jan-03 11:29 AM
Biruwa, I think most of us all realise that if we could control it, it would be better to be vegetarians. But, how many of us can live that lifestyle? I am not saying I like killing cows. I have not killed any cow or any animal like that. What I am saying is I enjoy eating beef, more than eating pork or even chicken. And further more, no one should have the right to tell me what I can eat and what I cannot. Not the government! How would you like it if eating "khasi" was banned in Nepal? I hope my appetite for beef does not bother you. Think about it, it really should not. FYI, there are 4 sects in Buddism. Our sect is called Yingmapa. In Yingmapa, we are allowed to live a normal life (that is have a family as opposed to being a monk) and eat meat. While eating meat is not encouraged, it is also not banned. I suppose you were not aware of this. Also, I imagine you are not aware that in Buddhism, Sakyamuni Buddha (Siddhartha Gautam) does not hold the position you think he holds. He is NOT THE GOD! So, call him Hindu if you want and try to make Buddhism a part of Hindu, it does not bother me my friend. Our "main god" in Yingmapa is actually PadmaSambhaba. B_D. |
| Baba | Posted
on 27-Jan-03 12:58 PM
hya kati kichkich kichkich gari ra. Either you give logial points or just shut up. Human rights are different from religions. So B_D, your points are the resemblance of retired mentality. If you want to be patriotic or religious revolutioner, better go to nepal and start a campaign. Don't just stay in Boston and comment aimlessly in this forum. You are truly a hypocrite. truth is always bitter but you are a hypocrite. |