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| Jame Bonds |
Posted
on 03-Jan-03 10:50 AM
As we interact in our day to day lives in English, one thing never ceases to amaze me. That is use of the word 'YOU'. In English, one can refer to ANYONE as 'YOU' even the president himself. This equality in language I think is an important part of the western society. The language itself promotes equality and freedom.
In Nepali, we have many different forms of 'YOU'. In my opinion, this strengthens the caste system in Nepal and divides the society by castes. This is a very good example of 'Divide and Rule' as shown by the rulers of Nepal who have divided it's people and ruled them for a long long time.
People were divided by thier job descriptions, some were named 'Kaami', some were named 'sarki'. Certain caste were refered to in the almost derogatory form of 'you' ie. Ta~n. And the so called rulers bestowed to themselves the almost devine form of 'you' ie. hajur, mausuf, sarkar. Who can imagine calling a royalty 'ta~n'?
So even when our language began, it began with a concept of different classes and castes of people who have to be stereotyped according to their lineage. I think it's one of the main reason we are so far behind.
These classifications simply bind us from being free human beings.
Down with these rulers oriented classifications.
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| MohanGopal |
Posted
on 03-Jan-03 11:03 AM
I was listening to Gyanendra's speech.
He says, "Tapain Harule Dekhaeko...."
Shouldn't it be Dekhaunu bhayeko?
MG
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| Jame Bonds |
Posted
on 03-Jan-03 11:13 AM
MohanGopal, that is a perfect example of how the Rulers show that they are higher class people and others like us the common janata are lower class people.
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| oys_chill |
Posted
on 03-Jan-03 12:15 PM
aaba nepali grammar garho cha ni hau..daju bhai ho!!
on second thoughts, i agree with james bonds.......one pronoun would promote equality in lot of ways.....but come to think of it .... "daddy, tala aaija na " bhanna ta garhai huncha ni ;)
back to james bonds: la thik cha, ta nai tyaso bhanchas bhane ta tero order ta hamle mannai paryo ni :)
eheh..sounds offensive bonds jyu?? no pun intended..jus for fun, tyo hari bansha ko dialogue!
oys
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| DHUMBASSE (DUMBASS) |
Posted
on 03-Jan-03 12:31 PM
khub " Gaun- Khane katha " sunya jasto cha hamro OYSEle.....LOl
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| oys_chill |
Posted
on 03-Jan-03 12:38 PM
handigaon lai lidai liyena dumbass bro.k garnu...........chaidaina bhanera hepya thyo tyo show ma pani :( ......
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| Poonte |
Posted
on 03-Jan-03 12:42 PM
Just the other day I read an essay by an anthropologist who claimed that the caste system itself, and Hinduism in general, was introduced in Nepal by the ruling class--by setting up the heirarchy, it would become easier for them to rule. So, in this regard, I think your comments make a lot of sense, JB.
However, I do not think the same can be said about the "sambodhanik shabdas"--tan, timi, tapain, hajur. These words existed long before the concepts of nation-state and governance arrived in Nepal, and they merely reflect the complexity of our culture vis-a-vis relationships among/between people. The West is obviously very individualistic, and stresses less value on relationships, hence no need for them to create different words to address different people differently. On the contrary, since our culture puts so much emphasize on the larger picture beyond individuals, I believe, there arose a need to be able to address differently the people of various statures. For instance, the Western/individualistic societies do not also have so many different ways of calling their cousins (and SAINOS) differently like we do--like bhatijo/ji, kaka/ki, dewar, nanda, bhauju, fujyuu/fuwajyu, mama/maiju...etc. This reflects OUR way of lives--more stress on family values and relationships than the individuals.
One can choose to adopt either way as s/he pleases for him/herself. Both are correct in their own perspectives--neither is right or wrong.
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| Jame Bonds |
Posted
on 03-Jan-03 01:03 PM
I think different forms of 'you' limits the freedom of expression when one group is talking to another group of 'you'.
For example, if you're talking to royalty, even if the royalty was a thief, you can't say "Hajur le chori bakshiyo". The lower 'you' is always seemingly under the higher 'you's.
We were brought up in Nepali language, and Nepali culture where we respect the olders. We do not try to acknowledge the fact that the older person could be wrong. It is a very awkward thing for us to say to the older person that they are wrong. It is even hard for us to say "NO" to someone who is older than us.
In this regards, I think the existence of different forms of 'you' suppresses our mental and social growth, since you have to feel a certain kind of barrier when communication with others from a different group.
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| whine and chij |
Posted
on 03-Jan-03 01:42 PM
yess,
down with these ruled adopted classifications.
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| sally |
Posted
on 03-Jan-03 02:11 PM
Actually, English DID have a "timi/tapai" distinction.
In Shakespeare's day, "thee" and "thou" were the rough equivalent of "timi/timilai." "You" was tapai. Interestingly, it was the formal, polite form that drove out the casual form around the mid 1700s, and not the other way around. So maybe it wasn't an example of a society equalizing, but a society growing MORE formal.
French, of course, still has the distinction ("tu" is timi and "vous" is tapai, more or less).
In English, if you go back even further, to the middle ages, "you" was a plural. A lot of the grammatical simplification that happened in English actually occurred NOT as a reflection of equality, but because of cultural mixing after the Norman invasion, when the upper classes spoke French and the peasants spoke Old English. When you have people speaking different languages, the complicated things--like the genders and the formals--tend to drop by the wayside.
The argument that it would grow out of a need in society (similar to the need to express kindship terms in an extended family society) doesn't hold water. However, I'd tend to agree that such a distinction would be inclined to perpetuate pre-existing social relations.
Think of the difficulty of being a woman in Japan, where women have to use an entirely different form of the language! What would that mean to a Japanese woman novelist or essayist???
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 03-Jan-03 04:48 PM
Sally;
Very interesting and informative! Thank you. :)
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| khaja biscuit |
Posted
on 03-Jan-03 07:39 PM
Sitara should have said this to Sally. "Very interesting and informative! Thank you, Hajoor."
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| czar |
Posted
on 03-Jan-03 11:26 PM
In Thai, the female uses a different vocabulary, "Khap khun khaa' whereas the male counterpart would say "Khap khun khap'..with both saying 'Thank you.'
Sally did dally to sow her words of wisdom. Out with the Olde, in with the New...
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| sally |
Posted
on 03-Jan-03 11:44 PM
Thank you thank you for your kind compliments ...
Czar, if you speak Thai, can you tell me this? When I was in Thailand and wanted to eat the yummy food but avoid beef, I was happy to discover--or so I thought--that to order "chicken with rice" in Thai you just say the convenient phrase, "gai na khao."
But recently a Lao friend who used to live in Thailand told me that chicken with rice is actually something like "gai krup khao." Was I wrong all along on "gai na khao" or is "gai krup khao" an example of female speech, since my friend is female?
Please enlighten me with words of wisdom (in Thai) ...
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| PremPujari |
Posted
on 04-Jan-03 08:21 AM
The Significance of "hazur/tapai/timi/ta" is so helpful to the married couples that are going through the shaky phase of their married life.
Just think about it, when our American couples fight, Lets say the lady is yelling at her husband. “You son of a gun, you did this you did that, you are blah blah blah”…. It’s always YOU YOU YOU, nothing more than you. There is no variation of the tone. It’s always YOU, sounds so monotonous.
Just imagine how our Nepali couples fight. It starts with hazur. Lets say a Nepali Lady is fighting with her husband… “Hazur hijo kina dhilo aai bakshyaa?? Ghar ma ma hazur lai khana table ma raakhera kurera bashi raa, hazur gayeb hoibakshinu bho”… Later, as the battle between husband and wife grows stronger… “Tapai le malai dhatnu bho, tapai hijo falana-dhiskaana ko gharma hunu hunthyo re, patta fitdai”… and when the war is more stronger, it will become “Timi le malai kahile ni maya garenau, khaali tyo chimeki ko chori lai aankha lagaauthyou, malai timile maaya nagarne bhaye kina bihe gareko???”… and when the war is at the final point, the tone changes to “Ta kukkur, ta jasto manche maile dekhya chaina, Mero kina aankha futya hola, ta jasto sanga bihe garna, janchu ma maaita ajhai raati… talai chodera.”…
See the variation in tone? It changes with the mood, and the environment. It never sounds monotonous.
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| Gandalf_75 |
Posted
on 04-Jan-03 09:28 AM
I think the ta/timi/tapai/hajur distinctions currently have more to do with expressing familiarity than imposing some sort of hegemony (although that might have been the case in the past, and for "hajur", at some level, there still is). As Sally pointed out, other languages have these distinctions as well, including in the endings of verbs (in addition to the languages already listed, Spanish and German have them as well).
I personally prefer ta or timi more than tapai (for people my age group) or hajur (for people older than me), tapai to me indicating the least bit of familiarity. When I address someone as tapai (all age groups), or am adressed as tapai, that to me indicates acquaintances more than friendships. I hesitate when I talk to people I call tapai, but I've found myself having animated discussions with groups I address as ta or hajur without any sort of hesitation.
As PremPujari suggests, when spousal bickering starts with hajurs flying around, there IS the hegemony (hajur implying, if nothing else, at least the age distinction), but then tapai is too unfamiliar: "tapaiko khappar" makes it sound as if you shouldn't be talking about my khappar; "timro khappar" loses its angry effect, sounding almost as if you are lovingly describing your priye's head; "tero khappar"--now, there's something to fight about!
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| Vision |
Posted
on 04-Jan-03 10:35 AM
ahahaha Gandalf Ji ....very well said. Loved your 'khappar' analogy...priceless hajur.
Where does 'hajur ko khappar' fit in though?
I try to avoid 'tapai' myself as much as possible. its something you would say to a 'shopkeeper't...just doesn't fit in among friends.
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| Vision |
Posted
on 04-Jan-03 10:47 AM
Talking about 'tapais and timi's'....what about 'Ji' and 'jyus' n' all that? That too is something I try to avoid...its' like as if you are some total stranger...or some political leader or minister or something...
But I suppose its okay on the web such as this. Unelss there's a different way to show your respect to your fellow cyber friends...
suggestion anyone?
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| PremPujari |
Posted
on 04-Jan-03 10:56 AM
Vison Jyu,
Ji and Jyu is just a form of respect. If one doesn't like to be respected, then nobody can do nothing hoina ta?
I always use the suffix "jyu" to make people feel that they have been respected by somebody. Meetho pani ta sunincha ni... Feri gaali garya hoina kyaare, "aadar" garya...
Naam ko pachadi "pangre, chyangre, gadha, Mu**" bhannu bhanda Jyu bhanda meetho sunincha -- thats what I think.. Whats wrong with that...
euta ESSAY lekhibakshiyos ta, I got nothing to do today, hazur kai essay padhchu, basera...
(PREM PUJARI HATES SNOW MORE THAN HIS EX-GF's PRESENT BEAU)
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| Vision |
Posted
on 04-Jan-03 11:12 AM
Prem Ji,
Hoina 'respect' ho ..tyo ta tha cha. But still why do you want to show your damn respect to your close 'ista mitra' all the freakin' time ..bhanya ke. Respect ta tya always chadai cha ni, its understood ni...
So instead of 'Prem ji'...if I call you 'Dhyaa Mulla Prem Pujari'...hey that is no disrespect by any means....is it?
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| Vision |
Posted
on 04-Jan-03 11:15 AM
Hey now I don't know anything about 'pangre, changre and golthe' n' all that....but that too would sound awesome now I think of it.
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| Hamjayega |
Posted
on 04-Jan-03 12:07 PM
Sawadee Khrup Sally.
M afraid you were wrong all along....
A chicken with rice is literally called "Kai kaap kao" i.e. Kai = Chicken, kaap = with, Rice = khao,
but again the Thai dishes just dont have chicken with rice..the hv the following n you need to say
"Khao Maan khai" = streamed chicken with buttered/oiled rice
"Khao maan kai thod" Fried chicken with buttered /Oiled rice
"Khao Phaat kaapao kai" Plain rice with chickcen fried in spice & basil leaf.
So far as ordering food..I think there is no distinction made as to who orderd the food..be it male or female..you will get your food onda table. But the only distinction between a male and female speech is.... you need to add "khaa" in case of a female and " Khrup" in case of a male after every sentence..which is a form of politeness (the equivalent of "Hajoor" in nepali) rather than imphasizing the gender itself.
However they do hv a different way of talking to the "ROYALS" which is mostly done on a third person basis n full of dignity n respect.
Anyway next time you r in town..just lemme do da ordering..you eat n enjoy!!!!
"Sawadee Pee mai"
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| chipledhunga |
Posted
on 04-Jan-03 02:07 PM
Hamjayega, now that I jsut learned bhaat lai Khao bhancha bhanera, just wondering tyo Khao San Road ko Nepali or Angreji translation ke huncha? Hamro San dai le bhaat khane gareko "hotel" tyahi bhaera ta hoina?
Also how do the following dishes, common on the menus of the Thai restaurants in the US, translate?
Pad Thai (I assume it is refers to stirfried rice but where is Khao, and what is Thai doing there?)
Tom Ka Kai (some chicken dish?)
Masaman Curry
Suntong
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| Rastaman |
Posted
on 04-Jan-03 02:17 PM
This is all political. I is not political. All these timi and tapain is what have been deceieveing I an I. Look at them all political people in my country.In Every Villages them people brought this and began deceieving my people.My people only had I and I and them people brought timi and tapai and them people divided I and I.Now you people make fun of I and I. Why?
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| liya |
Posted
on 04-Jan-03 07:53 PM
Hi Rasta,
Why does everything with u have to be politics......i think the input from all the ppl here was just great.......its good to know that so many ppl have different views. I was in nepal few months back and i met up with few old frens......it was like time had stopped or lets say turned back.....back to when i was 17.....the coversation was the same........i had a hard time listening to them talk and acting interested......why do ppl limit themselves in box???
Here with my frens i talk about various things....ther is never a moment dull. Maybe kids in nepal should be taught that its their right to question...be it teachers, parents, frens anyone. The distiction that tapai/timi should just be regarded as respect shown.
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| Rastaman |
Posted
on 04-Jan-03 08:16 PM
Hey that is what I is saying. Them people of yours dont let I do nothing. Because you and them is political people.Only them want to do things that is why I and I was never given a chance. Listen Liya Rasta have been travelling all his life. You do not know why my people still talkin the same time trapped. Who trapped them. You are a baby. Do you remember back in them days 20 years ago? Them people of yours never let I travel and all them people stood together against I and I. Them people never let I go study in them foreign land while all them went and came back and again put down I and I. Why dont you accept them facts and look at them history.I is not being political I is just telling the truth. That is what I dont like about you and them people. Everything them say is right and everything I and I say is wrong. I for sure know that them might not let Rasta talk here anymore cause them people are afraid of da Truth.
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| liya |
Posted
on 04-Jan-03 11:42 PM
would anyone plzz tell me who Rastaman means by "them people"..... it is quite confusing. I did not emphasize that all of us were right n u were wrong rasta. I just meant to say that every word said here doesn't have to be politically linked........sorry for the confusion....
Peace:)
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| Hamjayega |
Posted
on 05-Jan-03 07:58 AM
chipledhunga..well "Khao San" means uncooked rice in Thai .i.e chaamal in nepali
The famouse "Khao San Road" where San dai visited has actually nothing to with rice... neither there are rice wholesellers there nor is anyone seen eating rice. It is basically a back packers street similar to Thamel where ppl come from all over the globe to stay as it is cheap..easy..and multi-racial street.
"Phad Thai" is a stirfried noodles mixed with egg, green onion, peanut, sugar and various sauces. Unfortunately its got nothing to do with the word "Thai" except for the fact that it is a Thai dish.
Tom Ka Kai is a chicken (drumsticks/legs) soup cooked with coconut milk, lemon grass, mushroom. Its kinda Hot Sweet n Sour
Masaman curry is hot n spicy curry of either beef or chicken cooked in red curry paste. Its a Muslim dish found in Southern Thailand.
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 05-Jan-03 08:45 AM
Ji, jyu and hajurs, (which I am notorious for using) are polite forms of speech. For me it is a matter of having a civil tongue in my head... I can disagree and still be polite about it. From my experience, I have been able to agrue my points more effectively using these terms of respect, rather than when "ta" is used. With friends, I use "timi" but with the same degree of respect as I would use hajur. Polite language even in the most heated of discussions eliminates having to defend oneself or brace oneself against disrespectful speech...BUT all these count in disagreements not so much in agreement. If all persons involved are in agreement, the use of " ta", "timi"," tapain" or "hajur" is irrelevant.
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| nam_p |
Posted
on 05-Jan-03 09:19 AM
Sitara says:''i, jyu and hajurs, (which I am notorious for using) are polite forms of speech. For me it is a matter of having a civil tongue in my head.."
Well they can sound terribly patronizing as well, when used excessively (and when used to imply that 'you are more civilized than others' which I think is often the case. 'Bhuja syndrome' I call it)
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 05-Jan-03 09:54 AM
nam_p ji
If politeness is patronizing, so be it!!! And since when was "a civil tongue" synonymous to "being more civilized than others"?????????
I do not understand the logic behind your argument... sorry! perhaps, it is beyond my "civilized" comprehension!
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| taha cha |
Posted
on 05-Jan-03 10:12 AM
Lira,
To answer your question, Rastaman is a bigot; to him "them" is every one that has "pointed nose" or other than "flat" nose. Please read his postings in other threads. Even tough I respect his opinion as he is entitled to it but he has no right in offending others of different "nose" structure than his own. The funny part is that rastaman thinks every one that either praises his views or disagrees has different "nose" structure than his own!! Is this smart or what??
Sitara ji, I agree with you. Ta/tapai/hajur is a form of expression. It is the richness of language not a limitation. This does not mean that it justifies its use when it is not used properly. [When you use it, it adds aduwa in tea, Hajur :-)]
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| Rastaman |
Posted
on 05-Jan-03 10:24 AM
Hey why dont you them people understand. Here is what I mean by them people like you. people like you is so full of hypocrisy. Them people use tapain to stab my back and say you respect I and my opinion.People like you who say Rasta is a Bigot. See here just because you and them dont agree with me on my opinion you and them call I bigot. I read lots of opinions here and lots of them I dont agree but unlike you nice people I do not call you bigot or anything. I just dont agree with your views of hypocrisy. Unlike you I is not political and call people bigot or dumb. That is what you nice people do call I bigot or dumb. You call I that because you do not want to accept da truth or at least say yes it is da truth. Cause you dont have them nuts to stand up and look at I and I
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| vivid |
Posted
on 05-Jan-03 10:40 AM
The most notorious of politics lie within I & I alone.
What a guff at this gaffa.
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| Rastaman |
Posted
on 05-Jan-03 10:51 AM
No you dont understand that vivid. Your Timi and Tapain is what differentiate people. Them people dont call I tapain because I dont look like them or have things like them. Them people call I and I Taa. On the othere hand I call and consider all truth loving people I and I. Because I do not differentiate like you and them people. Them people never call I and my rickshaw pulling brothers timi or tapain. Because them think I and I is sub-human.
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 05-Jan-03 10:57 AM
Rastafarian ji
With all due respect, I would like to comment on your language use:
The use of Ebonic does not make one a black guy neither does the use of "Jamaican English/ Carribean English" makes one a Rastafarian. The philosophy of a Rastafarian goes beyond language, dreds and or marijuana. The language or the semantics that you have used/ adopted or affected is irrelevant to the Rastafarian philosophy or religion itself. Carribean language came to exist only because of the imposition of colonial languages. Creole, Patwa and what you use as a "Rastafarian" language came to existence due to the mixture in language and accent use. Native borns of those places communicate in the Carribean language because of their nativity; and foreign born(not native to those languages...such as yourself) can only affect, mimic, adopt or copy the semantics, grammar and the accent! It has nothing to do with being a Rastafarian.
The Truth as you see it is only an opinion...the humility as you see it, is only a perception and "them people" as you use it is only an alienation in a None- Standard English....again, nothing to do with the Rastafarian philosophy!
This, just my opinion, hajur! :)
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| taha cha |
Posted
on 05-Jan-03 10:59 AM
Rastaman,
You hate people of other type of "nose" than your own. What does that make you?? If some one disagrees you call them "them people" if some one agrees you call "them people", if some one raises a point you call it "them people" if this does not make you a hypocrite what does?
You do not have the guts or ability to understand the different point of view than your own! That is why you accuse every one to be one of "them" as you are the one that cannot accept the truth. All you do is hide behind the corrupted netas to prove your importance to yourself.
This is not a personal attack on you, it is my observation about you.
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| Rastaman |
Posted
on 05-Jan-03 11:05 AM
Hey Sitara you dont need to teach I anything. I was here long time before you were. Why does everyone have to think that I and I is so dumb? That is why I call you political people. Now you is teaching I to know things you know. Hypocrisy lies in there. Have you ever seen I teaching you and them something? I just tell da truth. When I write da truth you change da subject and call I fool. Why you comment on my language. Rasta speak the language of truth. I know for one thing if I keep writting the next thing You and them going to tell I is hey you got ugly face and try to teach I about beautiful face. Oh what kind of people you is?
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 05-Jan-03 11:13 AM
Rastafarian ji
I is NOT teach anything to you!!! You is NOT smarter than I and I is not more beautifool than you!!! I is just make a comment! That is MY Truth if I is truth, personified!!!
YOU is stupid????? Nah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is my opinion....is it your TRUTH? That is for you to decide! You is TRIPPING? perhaps! Is I Tripping????? maybe!!! Actually, I is now Tripping Beeeeeeeeeg time and Riding on non-standard English!!!!
Hmmm...Does this affectation make I da Rastawoman????
:P
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| Rastaman |
Posted
on 05-Jan-03 11:22 AM
It is this difference that is what I is talking about. Now you is tripping just because you seeing da truth I speak. All in all no one ever accepted or have the guts to accept da truth that I speak. Because all them people think that English is them best and if you and them dont speak english then them tripp.
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| vivid |
Posted
on 05-Jan-03 11:25 AM
The Ideology of I within itself is great and doesn't need to be preached around.
But politics ma rajniti ghuse pachi, I becomes desperately in need of (MAPAIN) I that he has no choice but to start advocating against them(TAN, TIMI & TAPAIN).
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| Rastaman |
Posted
on 05-Jan-03 11:40 AM
Yes you and them just want to call I and my brother Tan and want to be above us. That is what you and them have been doing all along and want to keep it going so you can have all the comforts while I and I will be toiling the land. Thank you
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| nam_p |
Posted
on 05-Jan-03 12:26 PM
Sitara says:'If politeness is patronizing, so be it!!! And since when was "a civil tongue" synonymous to "being more civilized than others"????????? '
To be polite, ultimately, is to respect others. I don't think using a hazzar 'hazoors' necessarily makes you polite as much as eating ten course meals ten times a day makes you healthy.
So what it would mean to be 'polite' at Sajha ? It would mean,above all, to respect it as a public space and use it accordingly. If you were to look at the vast bulk of your own postings, Sitara, you would see that they would more properly belong to an e-mail, not to a discussion group like this one.If you want to wish New Year to an individual, why use this forum and inundate this space with all the narcissist mumbo-jumbos ? Of course, you are not the only one-
There are other ways looking at being 'polite', Sitara.
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| Gandalf_75 |
Posted
on 05-Jan-03 12:52 PM
I guess we all have our "politeness quotient" that is fairly personalized. What I see as a sort of UNIVERSAL sense of politeness is to allow others to express what they wish. nam_p ji, yes you are right. SITARA doesn't HAVE TO use hajurs in her postings, but if she so wishes, why do you get the rub? And one more thing, SITARA is free to post her greetings here, just as you are free to refrain from looking at them.
SITARA hajur, hajurko aduwa chiya ko majaa chahin ajako jasto jaado din ma, laamo ishteel to gilas ma bharera, khaasto ko tuppo le gilas berdai, surup, surup gardai khana majaa aunchha. Off I go!
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| Rastaman |
Posted
on 05-Jan-03 12:57 PM
Yes that is what them people want . That is if them dont agree with your postings them say you are impolite. Them people want I and I to say yes hajur you is right. But rasta is about truth and Rastaman is a simple man
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 05-Jan-03 03:41 PM
nam_p ji
To each his own.... One man's meat is another man's poison .....I suppose!
La ta hajur...you are entitled to your opinions! oooooooooops ! Was the" hajur" patronizing? :P
Gandalf ji
Same sentiments regarding adhuwa chiya and opinions! It is snowing outside...calls for some hot hot tea....! :)
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| Rastaman |
Posted
on 05-Jan-03 03:43 PM
Hi Sitara Please dont call I using Ji. I is just a simple Rastaman. Actually my real name is Hemkumar and since childhook everyone called me Hemu. So please dont call I with that kind of respect.
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 05-Jan-03 04:43 PM
Hemkumar, sir...
So nice to meet you!
:)
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| Rastaman |
Posted
on 05-Jan-03 04:46 PM
It has been pleasure to I to meet you too. But I is not sir. You can call I Hemu or just simple Rasta. Thank you. and Love from da Rastaman
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| rajunpl |
Posted
on 01-Mar-03 04:30 AM
hola hola
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