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| Site Admin | Posted
on 14-Jan-03 11:20 AM
Dear Sajha Visitors, I realize that most of the visitors come to sajha in order to spend their valuable time reading others postings and to share interesting information about things, people and ideas that in some way is related to Nepal, or simply informative in general. This interaction can be satisfying and beneficial to everyone when everyone can comprehend each other without any undue stress. I understand that some users have displayed their desire to write in an 'accented' manner, and I appreciate their needs to want to write in that manner. But I have noticed that it is a little hard to comprehend for the general visitors, and creates an element of stress in trying to understand these 'accent'. In order to take care of everyone's needs, I have created a usergroup called "Rasta Vibes" http://www.sajha.com/sajha/html/usergroups.cfm?forum=121 - where visitors who are inclined to use the RASTA accent can participate to their hearts content without spilling out into the general KURAKANI, where people communicate in REGULAR ENGLISH or NEPALI, which is easy comprehensible to everyone. We need to do this in order to save the sanity of this site in general. Please use the RastaVibes usergroup, if you are interested in communicating with the Rasta Accent. Language of choice in writing in sajha Kurakani is regular English and regular Nepali. In maintaining this web site, we have seen many challanges, and each of these challanges only help to make sajha stronger and more committed to Bring Together Nepali Communities. Best Wishes, San Pradhan |
| oys_chill | Posted
on 14-Jan-03 11:25 AM
hahaha.....hasayoo..........site admin afai le site hallayo aba chai eheh..damn u r da man..... |
| fidel | Posted
on 14-Jan-03 11:34 AM
San!! You are so funny and way way way way way toooooooooooooooooooo nice!!! I guess someone has to be. I just swore at a fellow Sajhaite over the phone! Can't say I feel any remorse either! :) Anyhow, I say creating a ghetto does not get rid of the problem. But it sure works... out of sight out of mind! At least I hope it does! |
| SITARA | Posted
on 14-Jan-03 12:03 PM
San ji... It takes brains and willpower to be tactful!....You have both! :) |
| czar | Posted
on 14-Jan-03 12:19 PM
Hear,hear ! Attaboy, San da Man ! |
| isolated freak | Posted
on 14-Jan-03 12:24 PM
democracy and freedom of speech with reservations! but that's needed at times. |
| Logical Sense | Posted
on 14-Jan-03 12:52 PM
Marvelous! Can you put intelligence in your server to recognize such accents to move such thread automatically? Ha ha. May be I am asking too much? While I do like your move and I don't want to read such accent myself, but, I do honor freedom of speech and kind of wonder, where do we DRAW A LINE? My worry, how many such groups you would create? Then when it becomes too many groups the main-stream Kurakani will loose it charms. And, you might notice, though slowly old sajhaites are taking a sideline and either new comer or re-incarnation of famous Sajhites are taking center stage, you also notice that old Sajhaites do respond time to time when there is any interesting thread going around. That means they are still hanging in there......and do care. All these mushroom types of new ideas will come and go, but, they do entertain us for a short while. They will die their own deaths if there are not enough interests. And probably 'no action' is the best action sometimes. Oh well, I hope people honor your decision. - iti |
| Damodar | Posted
on 14-Jan-03 01:09 PM
What we have a cap of 15 posting a day now what ? Now thats seriously putting a limit on freedom of sppech here. Or freedom of speech does not reign on Sajha anymore ? |
| suva chintak | Posted
on 14-Jan-03 01:15 PM
Yes, give me the Patriot Act!! Time to circle our wagons and protect the American way of life (speech?)! Damn da folks with the funny accent, quarantine them in Camp X-ray!! The Star and stripes for ever!! |
| isolated freak | Posted
on 14-Jan-03 01:17 PM
damodar, its called freedom of speech with reservations. freedom of speech and democracy do not necasarily mean YOUR FREEDOM TO DO ANYTHING and EVERYTHING, hoina ra? |
| Rastaman | Posted
on 14-Jan-03 02:29 PM
Freedom of Speech means like in da USA. Right can say Immoral to da left as many times as they want and Left can say right racist Until them poop in da pants |
| san | Posted
on 14-Jan-03 02:32 PM
Hi Damodar, The limit is to make sure that the sajha threads don't get monopolized. Now that we have created a rule to deal with things, I think 20 postings a day is a fair limit, that most users will never reach. Regards |
| PremPujari | Posted
on 14-Jan-03 02:47 PM
I don't understand this freedom of speech crap. what freedom of speech are we talking about? I don't think Sajha.com is mero bau ko property where I go say whatever I wanna say. I don't think I have any right to ask why San closed the website, if he ever does so. I am dancing in somebody elses property and I am thankful to the landlord for letting me do that. There is nothing like TERO MERO, Until the day I pay for it. I haven't send sajha a check yet. Aru ko ghar ma gayera sutera, TV ko remote ghumaunu bhanda agaaadi ek choti sochnai parcha ni ... jasto laagcha. Unless it is something else that I am unaware of. KE ni BMC, I am dumb anyway... :) dyamn, 3:30 bhayecha, taalu le maarne bho. I am out. (4 khilli CIGGIE khallas) |
| Suna | Posted
on 14-Jan-03 03:04 PM
haha! PremPujari I couldn't have said it better! |
| SITARA | Posted
on 14-Jan-03 03:26 PM
Prem Pujari ji.... Ani what did I say?.... You are the voice of reality...in Cyberia! :) |
| noname | Posted
on 14-Jan-03 05:14 PM
I sincerely hope this DA effect fades out on its own (if SAJHAITES really want so!) as it happened to other 'effects' in the past. AMEN! PP GURUDEV jyu!! :) |
| sally | Posted
on 14-Jan-03 11:08 PM
Yes, hail to PP, dancing pujari of remote wisdom! ... Actually I don't have much to add. I just want to see if that little line, "Total Posted in Last 24 Hours," will really climb. It's so cute just hanging there. And it can serve so many purposes at once! It can be like a calorie counter ("OH NO! I'm spending too much time here! Better go on a diet!") or a goal, like a weight-training machine ("HAH! Got my total up! Now I'm becoming a strong and power Famous Sajhapure!") Maybe San will post the daily totals of the Posters with the Mostest, like a video game in an arcade, so we can see who wins. |
| sally | Posted
on 14-Jan-03 11:11 PM
Sorry San, it didn't go up! Only 1 post in the last 24 hours? Slander, slander! I have two posts in this thread alone! Wish I had a scale like that. Cheesecake, here I come. |
| sally | Posted
on 14-Jan-03 11:18 PM
My mistake: not two posts on this thread. And now I see the counter IS working. Tick, tick, tick ... Let's get that daily score on the Home Page soon, eh, so all can cheer the day's Most Voluble Player. |
| Koko | Posted
on 15-Jan-03 11:42 AM
Does this mean that Nepali Sabai Ko Sajha.com with Limitation ? Freedom of speech is to be able to say what you want without reservations or people telling you what you should be saying instead of what you really want to say. And yes there has been a lot of abuses here by various individuals in the history of Sajha's making. We have gone from just a bullletin board for GBNC to small group of individuals from boston to this global community. At the same time we have gone through the Metamorphosis of any one can post to registered posters only( I oppsoed that too). This is how beaurocracy(red tape) gets started. The societal evolution of Sajha is a good reflection of our nepali society. My point is if we keep bringin up all these rules pretty soon we will be caged in by these rules..thats all |
| suva chintak | Posted
on 15-Jan-03 12:28 PM
Koko, you raise very pertinent issues of freedom of expression! I think Sajha is going through the same process as any media. We can guarantee each individual's right to free speech, but getting that voice access to a meaningful medium like the radio, tv, newspapers, or the internet is a very different thing. The media is either controlled by the government or some private individuals (like the big corporate houses) who will only give space to those who share their viewpoints. Using their rights of ownership, some viewpoints can be excluded. So the end result is that the media, the press, and the public opinion that is created is very much a controlled product by those who own the media houses in the first place. That does not look fair in terms the ideals of freedom of expression, but then life is not fair to begin with! If you can't find space for yourself in the media, and the police won't let you make speeches in the street, one always has the right to talk to oneself in a closed room and exercise their inalienable right to expression...but then the psychiatrist might want to take you the mental institution! So, in the spirit of the sour grapes, I say, like sex, freedom of expression is an overrated thing. Someone rightly said in this site: "Money talks, bullshit walks." |
| Koko | Posted
on 15-Jan-03 12:48 PM
Coming from Panchayat Nepal where every peice of news article was censored I have problem whenever peope put limitation on things. The society as a whole will not be able to evolve to the fullest if you start putting limitations in their capabilities. How can anything grow if you don't give them the space they need ? And this has nothing to do with $$$ value, I am talking principles here. |
| SITARA | Posted
on 15-Jan-03 02:41 PM
When Freedom is practised with responsibility... everyone benefits from it. When "It" is not, some one gets hurt! |
| tick | Posted
on 15-Jan-03 04:04 PM
Freedom is not free. It has a price. If some one refuses to pay the price the law takes over. This is the rule of the democratic world. If someone does not honor the rights of others or their own, then law takes over. Without rules, regulations and law freedom will not be freedom it will be a chaos. Thank you San for taking the right initiative. I applaud your efforts and I appeal to all the Sajaities let’s follow decency, common sense and a language that every one can understand. |
| SITARA | Posted
on 15-Jan-03 04:13 PM
Tick ji nicely put! The price of Freedom is Vigilance.... as a Black freedom fighter stated. |
| suva chintak | Posted
on 15-Jan-03 04:29 PM
King Gyanendra could not agree more! Actually, that was the thrust of his message at the civic reception in Biratnagar last month. Man, were Girija/Makune/Prachanda pissed off by the sermon from the pulpit! I guess this company wants extreme democracy...no regulations whatsoever! Aaah democracy, what do I know? I ask my mastah and he gives me these gems of wisdom :"Bhaand mye jaaye democracy, apana kaam karo Gorkehy aur iman ke roti khaao. Ye politics wala baat hamare yeha maat laya karo, samjeh?" Of course, Sirji! |
| SITARA | Posted
on 15-Jan-03 04:47 PM
Suva chintak ji You rogue!!!.... haha! |
| Hamjayega | Posted
on 16-Jan-03 01:49 AM
Good Job San..nicely handled. I hope all the so called democratic leaders of the world can learn a thing or two from Our SAN da MAN. Tick u r rite..Freedom has price and there is nothing as such for free even in a democratic world. If freedom was for free and granted then there should be no boundaries between countries...no laws to abide by and no ownership of properties. |
| Hamjayega | Posted
on 16-Jan-03 01:54 AM
Talking about freedom and right..I had read it somewhere long time back, it goes like this.. "Your freedom n right to extend your arms ends exactly where the other fellows nose begins" Correct me if I am wrong and pls dont ask me whoo said it..I hv no idea!!!! |
| Koko | Posted
on 16-Jan-03 08:26 AM
Freedom is not free ? Are you sure about that ? That is what politicians would say. But if you are a an avid believer of freedom you would never make such a statement. Yeah when the law takes over who do you think benefits from it ? Not you..and what is law anyway ? Its a fabrication of some fat politician's veiw of what our society should be not what you think your society should be. Yeah there was law to help those people who were jailed just for expressing their veiws during the monarchy phase of Nepal. The reasoning that law takes over does not work. My only point is that if we keep putting up these barriers then pretty soon we all will have limited freedom to say what we want to say. I am not saying that there would be no abuses by people here. But do we really want to put limits on our own advancement just because some people think its appropriate ? |
| phreak_out | Posted
on 16-Jan-03 08:54 AM
Koko I'm trying to understand what you are talking about. What barrier do you mean? |
| Koko | Posted
on 16-Jan-03 09:49 AM
Barrier is like limitation who can post, how many can one post, what sort of language should be used to post.. Putting up these rules limits a person's way of expressing. Now the theme of the site is Nepali Sabai ko Sajha..Then all Nepali should be welcome. Not just registered. Supposedly you are having and argument with someone and you post went beyond the limited 20 posting a day. Does that mean you have to wait till tomorrow to pick up where you left off(your whole thought process would have vanished by then). And in the heat of the moment you uttered a few swear words, does that mean you won't be able to post aymore ? We are all adults here. What ever walls we built to protect ourselves those elements still exist out there. So its up to the community or the society to decide whether to ignore it or try and accomodate them. This is a prime example of how the Mao movement got popular because the society chose to ignore those voices. In order for their voices to be heard they took up arms. When are we going to learn from out mistakes ? |
| khaja biscuit | Posted
on 16-Jan-03 10:00 AM
Kokoji, this site is populated by the self-promoting members of Nepal's bourgeoisie class that prefers rules, authority and limits. These are not the rebels. These are the conformists. Whaddya expect? |
| Koko | Posted
on 16-Jan-03 10:07 AM
Just because there were few rotten apples in your harvest does not mean you throw away your entire crop. |
| khaja biscuit | Posted
on 16-Jan-03 10:12 AM
Kokoji, the logic of the self-promoting bourgeoisie rolling in the comfort of suburban environs is that they are ready to spend 95 % of their energy on preventing 5 % of the "bad" vibes, in the name of rules, limits and authorities. |
| Vision | Posted
on 16-Jan-03 10:20 AM
Khaja Ji, what's up with you and self promotion? Aren't you promoting yourself by bringing this self promotion issue to sajha? |
| Koko | Posted
on 16-Jan-03 10:31 AM
These elements that you are talking about are evident in every society. But I am against limiting the entire population due to some irate individuals. And instead of ignoring the individual if we spend a little time to find out why a certain someone behaves in a certain way then maybe we will solve his and our problem. and besides regardless of how they behave..they are still part of our society..we have to deal with them the best way we can(regardless of class,color or race). We are all Nepali after all.. |
| khaja biscuit | Posted
on 16-Jan-03 10:43 AM
Kokoji, 95 % self-promoting members of the suburban middle-class Nepalese bourgeoisie class fear this 5 %. This 5 %, dissenters, radicals, anti-authoritarians, fall at the tail-end of the bell curve. The 95 % will invoke rules, authorities, limits to drive that 5 % underground, lest their self-promoted bourgeoisie status quo be threatened. |
| khaja biscuit | Posted
on 16-Jan-03 10:51 AM
Visionji, one's self-promotional commercial http://www.hookerycookery.com/biscuit006.htm |
| phreak_out | Posted
on 16-Jan-03 11:06 AM
My god some people can whine and whine like there's no tomorrow. Stop whining and complaining. If you don't want to follow the rules of this site, it's your problem. It says very clearly that this is a privately owned site. Unless you have made some financial contributions you have no say in demanding how this site should be run. |
| Koko | Posted
on 16-Jan-03 11:51 AM
I am not whining. I am simply questioning. Yeah this is exactly what I am talking about. Now when you put up those rules pretty soon you will put one up saying you cannot question the authority anymore. Then will it still be Nepali sabai ko Sajha ? Or the authority's version of Nepali sabi ko Sajha. Or is it naam matra ko Sajha ? And those who asked the admin people to put those barriers. For gods sake we are all educated individuals here. Knowing the fact the those indiviuals exist..how could you ingore them right to their face ? That was not what I learned regardless of what Degree I posess. Thats just plain ignorance.. |
| phreak_out | Posted
on 16-Jan-03 12:14 PM
You are probably right. It probably is the "authority's version of Nepali sabaiko sajha". But what do you do, it's not your site. The "authority" gets to make his/her own decisions. The best thing to do is to accept the rules of this site, and don't bore us all to death because you're such a big whiner. If you're not happy with it, you're free to go elsewhere, noone's forcing you to come here. |
| Koko | Posted
on 16-Jan-03 01:16 PM
phreak out, ok if you want to put it that way then. I can also say that this would be false advertising. And there are laws against that too. Being a Nepali I have every right to be here just as the ones who asked San to put up these rules. Otherwise do not call it a Nepali site if you are not going to accomodate all Nepali people.I know that San would not put up these rules unless someone asked him to. |
| phreak_out | Posted
on 16-Jan-03 01:54 PM
Nepal itself cannot accomodate all Nepali people that's why people like you and me are living in a foriegn land. So we shouldn't call Nepal as Nepal? Don't ridicule yourself. You talk as though you don't have a life besides this site. Get a life dude. The same reason as you Nepali left your land in search of a better deal, maybe you should go to www.usa.com instead of www.sajha.com and find your freedom of speech and whatever else you want. Don't get demented over some site! |
| whine and chij | Posted
on 16-Jan-03 02:08 PM
yo! whine is my chij...what can i say other than repeat the quote that freedom of the press is available to those who own one. as for this site, well... ...it can run, BUT IT CAN'T HIDE! |
| Koko | Posted
on 16-Jan-03 02:28 PM
Phreak out, Do not side track the subject. I guess you are running out of counter debates thats why you are flustering the argument. I am not going to waste anymore time cause you keep repeating the same thing. MOVE ON ? In other words stay heedless fine with me. |