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   i have pasted this not because i am a gr 26-Jan-03 littlejhonny
     An extract from a German magazine that e 26-Jan-03 littlejhonny
       Little Johnny ji, Thank you .....Very 26-Jan-03 SITARA
         Excellent topic, well done Little Johnny 27-Jan-03 czar
           Poste Script It is no tale: it is amo 27-Jan-03 czar
             Lil' Johnny Boy trying to play Misty to 27-Jan-03 dirk
               I think it is a mistake to dismiss the g 27-Jan-03 surya
                 Pythagorean theorem was ***proved** firs 27-Jan-03 bhedo
                   Bhedo ji Angkor Wat area was invaded 27-Jan-03 SITARA
                     but u know what guys, junga bahadur is c 27-Jan-03 jhapali
                       Well, I tell ya, that's similar to what 27-Jan-03 bhedo
                         Anybody watched "In the footsteps of Ale 27-Jan-03 bhedo


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littlejhonny Posted on 26-Jan-03 10:45 AM

i have pasted this not because i am a great fan of india or some thing ............. just for the knoweldge for those people who have absolutely hatered for our neighbour ....... and ignore the fact that ....... our economic progress depends on them .. we like it or not .....


Enclosed is India special on occasion of Republic Day celebrations
26th January

If there is one place on the face of this Earth where
all the dreams of living men have found a home from
the very earliest day when man began the dream of
existence, it is India.
~ Romain Rolland (French Philosopher, 1886-1994)

In India, I found a race of mortals living upon the
Earth, but not adhering to it, inhabiting cities, but
not being fixed to them, possessing everything, but
possessed by nothing.
~ Apollonius Tyanaeus (Greek Traveler, 1st Century CE)

India is, the cradle of the human race, the birthplace
of human speech, the mother of history, the
grandmother of legend, and the great grand mother of
tradition. our most valuable and most instructive
materials in the history of man are treasured up in
India only.
~ Mark Twain

We owe a lot to the Indians, who taught us how to
count, without which no worthwhile scientific
discovery could have been made.
~ Albert Einstein

India conquered and dominated China culturally for 20
centuries without ever having to send a single soldier
across her border.
~ Hu Shih, former Ambassador of China to USA

It is true that even across the Himalayan barrier
India has sent to the west, such gifts as grammar and
logic, philosophy and fables, hypnotism and chess, and
above all numerals and the decimal system.
~ Will Durant (American Historian, 1885-1981)

Whenever I have read any part of the Vedas, I have
felt that some unearthly and unknown light illuminated
me. In the great teaching of the Vedas, there is no
touch of sectarianism. It is of all ages, climbs, and
nationalities and is the royal road for the attainment
of the Great Knowledge. When I read it, I feel that I
am under the spangled heavens of a summer night.
~ Thoreau (American Thinker)

If I were asked under what sky the human mind has most
fully developed some of its choicest gifts, has most
deeply pondered on the greatest problems of life, and
has found solutions, I should point to India.
~ Max Muller (German Scholar, 1823-1900)

The Sanskrit language, whatever be its antiquity is of
wonderful structure, more perfect than the Greek, more
copious than the Latin and more exquisitely refined
than either.
~ Sir William Jones (British Orientalist, 1746-1794)

The surgery of the ancient Indian physicians was bold
and skillful. A special branch of surgery was dedicated
to rhinoplasty or operations for improving deformed
ears, noses and forming new ones, which European
surgeons have now borrowed.
~ Sir W. Hunter (British Surgeon, 1718-1783)

After the conversations about Indian philosophy, some
of the ideas of Quantum Physics that had seemed so
crazy suddenly made much more sense.
~ W. Heisenberg (German Physicist, 1901-1976)

In the great books of India, an empire spoke to us,
nothing small or unworthy, but large, serene,
consistent, the voice of an old intelligence, which in
another age and climate had pondered and thus disposed
of the questions that exercise us.
~ R.W Emerson (American Essayist, 1803-1882)

In religion, India is the only millionaire......the
One land that all men desire to see, and having seen
once, by even a glimpse, would not give that glimpse
for all the shows of all the rest of the globe
combined.
~ Mark Twain (American Author, 1835-1910)

It is already becoming clear that a chapter which had
a Western beginning will have to have an Indian ending
if it is not to end in the self-destruction of the
human race. At this supremely dangerous moment in
history, the only way of salvation for mankind is the
Indian Way.
~ Dr Arnold Toynbee (British Historian, 1889-1975)

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littlejhonny Posted on 26-Jan-03 10:50 AM

An extract from a German magazine that explains the
achievements and facts about India that are completely
out of the ordinary ........

India never invaded any country in her last 10000
years of history.

India invented the Number System. Zero was invented by
Aryabhatta.

The World's first university was established in
Takshila in 700 BC. More than 10,500 students from all
over the world studied more than 60 subjects. The
University of Nalanda built in the 4th century CE was
one of the greatest achievements of ancient India in
the field of education.

Sanskrit is the mother of all the European languages.
Sanskrit is the most suitable language for computer
software - a report in Forbes magazine, July 1987.

Ayurveda is the earliest school of medicine known to
humans. Charaka, the father of medicine consolidated
Ayurveda 2500 years ago. Today Ayurveda is fast
regaining its rightful place in our civilization.

Although modern images of India often show poverty and
lack of development, India was the richest country on
earth until the time of British in the early 17th
Century. Christopher Columbus was attracted by her
wealth.

The art of Navigation was born in the river Sindh 6000
years ago. The very word Navigation is derived from
the Sanskrit word NAV GATIH. The word navy is also
derived from Sanskrit 'Nou'.

Bhaskaracharya calculated the time taken by the earth
to orbit the sun hundreds of years before the
astronomer Smart. Time taken by earth to orbit the
sun: (5th century) 365.258756484 days.

The value of "pi" was first calculated by Budhayana,
and he explained the concept of what is known as the
Pythagorean Theorem. He discovered this in the 6th
century long before the European mathematicians.

Algebra, trigonometry and calculus came from India.
Quadratic equations were propounded by Sridharacharya
in the 11th century. The largest numbers the Greeks
and the Romans used were 106 whereas Hindus used
numbers as big as 10**53(10 to the power of 53) with
specific names as early as 5000 BCE during the Vedic
period. Even today, the largest used number is Tera:
10**12(10 to the power of 12).

According to the Gemological Institute of America, up
until 1896, India was the only source for diamonds to
the world.

USA based IEEE has proved what has been a century old
suspicion in the world scientific community that the
pioneer of wireless communication was Prof Jagdeesh
Bose and not Marconi.

Chess (Shataranja or AshtaPada) was invented in India.


Sushruta is the father of surgery. 2600 years ago he
and health scientists of his time conducted
complicated surgeries like cesareans, cataract,
artificial limbs, fractures, urinary stones and even
plastic surgery and brain surgery. Usage of anesthesia
was well known in ancient India. Over 125 surgical
equipments were used. Deep knowledge of anatomy,
physiology, etiology, embryology, digestion,
metabolism, genetics and immunity is also found in
many texts.

When many cultures were only nomadic forest dwellers
over 5000 years ago, Indians established Harappan
culture in Sindhu Valley (Indus Valley Civilization)

The place value system, the decimal system was
developed in India in 100 BC.
SITARA Posted on 26-Jan-03 04:13 PM

Little Johnny ji,

Thank you .....Very informative!
czar Posted on 27-Jan-03 01:48 PM

Excellent topic, well done Little Johnny !

“ The statement of the Theorem [Pythagoream Theorem] was discovered on a Babylonian tablet circa 1900-1600 B.C. Whether Pythagoras (c.560-c.480 B.C.) or someone else from his School was the first to discover its proof can't be claimed with any degree of credibility. Euclid's (c 300 B.C.) Elements furnish the first and, later, the standard reference in Geometry.”

I question the notion that the formulation of what is widely known as Pythagorean Theorem can be attributed to the Indians. Using your presentation, Budhayana existed in the 6th century AD. Even if it was BC, that is still off by a margin of close to 500 years too late.

The following tale supports my thoughts:

The Egyptians had known that the earth was round 1500 years plus before the Europeans accepted it. The eureka moment occurred when a scholar traveled south towards the source of the Nile. Based on his observations, his sundial showed a decreasing shadow at mid-day as he headed towards the equator.

On returning to his native city considerably north of the equator, he further observed there was a small shadow cast by the central vertical staff of his sundial at the calculated mid-day. His rationale: at precisely mid-day, there ought to be no shadow cast on any sundial on any place on this earth, IFF the earth was flat. Given his observations to the contrary, he concluded the earth had to be round.

Using Pythagorean geometry he calculated fairly accurately the diameter of the earth. That was in Alexandria, Egypt, circa 150 BC. Half a millenia before Budhayana of India.
czar Posted on 27-Jan-03 01:52 PM

Poste Script

It is no tale: it is among the last known remnants of the contents of the library of Alexandria, which, tragically burnt down and taking with it most of what it contained. There are tantalizing refences to it, causing most scientists and historians to sigh in frustration at yet one more elusive clue to our past.

Might it have recorded evidence of Atlantis ?
dirk Posted on 27-Jan-03 02:25 PM

Lil' Johnny Boy trying to play Misty to Big Bhaiya.....please don't go overboard and attribute every invention and discovery of mankind to Maha Bharat.

India has emerged as South Asia's bully and acquired unprecedented opportunities for autonomous action in the region and beyond. Most Indian planners are confident that the time has now come for the region's smaller countries to learn to not only live with India's aspirations but also cooperate with it on a sub-ordinate basis. This is the India we have to deal with day in and day out, Johnny.
surya Posted on 27-Jan-03 04:25 PM

I think it is a mistake to dismiss the great things ancent "India" achieved because of the current friction that Nepal and other South Asian neighbors are having with the national state of "india". They are two differnet things.

We share a lot of our culture, language, tradition with India and others in the South Asian continent. Instead of forsaking that heritage, we need to embrace it and celebrate it. Why should only "India" (the poresent day nation state, that became a country in its own right only in the latter half of the last century, be the sole heir to the accomplishments of a people who wer not organized into a national called "India" before then? Kina abdication? I am not trying to be a proponent of some sort of hindu/bramhanic tradition hegemony on the peoples of Nepal... but that too is our heritage!! After all Pashupati chetra is like the holiest of holy sites in Hindu geography and that is where Gods and mortals, including the great sages supposedly came to do their dhyans and tapasyas. Right?

It was intersting to read what western thinkers have said about India in the past. It is both inspiring and sort of ridiculous. It does not take much to realize that many had very very rosy orientalist glasses on when they were talking about India's greatness... and the exoticism, mystery and allure of the ancient land won over the reality of India (and south asia) even back then.

The most ridiculous personally was teh following statement: "India never invaded any country in her last 10000 years of history!"

What!!
bhedo Posted on 27-Jan-03 04:46 PM

Pythagorean theorem was ***proved** first by the Greeks. Without proving it, you can't really say Indians came up with the concept. That's just wrong.

We might have cultural similarities with Indians, but let's face it folks, we, Nepalis, have given nothing to this world. We can't really say Buddha is Nepali, because, after all, he preached mostly in India, not Nepal.
It's not true that India never invaded any country. What about South East Asia? Why did ancient Cambodians have South Indian sounding names? Isn't it true that a South Indian brahmin -- who later became a king -- invaded that area to found an empire??? Or should we think of Indian culture as North Indian only and dismiss all innovations made by Southern Indians?
SITARA Posted on 27-Jan-03 04:49 PM

Bhedo ji

Angkor Wat area was invaded by Indians not through war but through trade/economics!
jhapali Posted on 27-Jan-03 05:07 PM

but u know what guys, junga bahadur is credited for coming up with the word "tip". like when u tip someone in a resturant.

junga bahadur goes to england. he is taken to fine resturant. likes the food. so he takes out a ashurif and puts on the table. however, the gold coin drops on the floor. so he tells the waiter "tip, tip". thats how it all started.

on a side not, where is junga bahdur when we really need him

jhapali
bhedo Posted on 27-Jan-03 05:09 PM

Well, I tell ya, that's similar to what the East India Company did.
In any case, Kaundinya, a South Indian became the first ruler of Cambodia. Nobody knows how he set himself to become a ruler. But do you really think the natives greeted him and said, "Hello. You shall be our King, oh might Indian!"? Naw, I don't think so.
bhedo Posted on 27-Jan-03 05:24 PM

Anybody watched "In the footsteps of Alexander the Great"? PBS shows it quite often. Man, you should all listen to what Persians/Afghans/Uzbeks/Kalashas have to say about him. Nobody wants to be on the losing side, so naturally, when war- stories are passed down from generation to generation, they're going to skew their side of the story by ignoring some facts and blowing some others out of proportion.