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| suna |
Posted
on 01-Feb-03 09:05 AM
"The upcoming middle class and the upper middle class girls/women who have the purchasing power are becoming more self-regulating whether it is their way of living, fashion, career, even in terms of choosing a partner; there is an ever growing sense of independence in their thought and approach."
I wonder how much of the generated income will be put towards the majority of Nepalese women - those who are still enthralled in the hell-hole that our society has created for them.
Another day for the UN expat women to socialize!! May they complain less about their plight of having to spend time in a third world country. This should be right up their alley!
Ashu, it seems like a good time and it sounds more like "Nari Diwas" but one has to wonder if more than just a good time is going to come out of it!
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 01-Feb-03 09:13 AM
Ashu ji
Thank you for your update on the women's movement.
One question though:
You are very perceptive and intelligent in your observations; can you express your personal opinion as to the political situation/unrest and its impact on such a move during these complex times?
I would appreciate your critical analysis (if you have some time to spare...that is!).
Thank you.
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| NK |
Posted
on 01-Feb-03 10:09 AM
Hmmm... hmmmm.... I think I have to think a bit before I respond to this one.
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| ashu |
Posted
on 01-Feb-03 09:24 PM
Suna-ji,
If your attitude is that "the majority of Nepalese women . . . are still enthralled [?] in the hell-hole that our society has created for them", aren't you, then, pleased as
punch that you managed to escape that hell-hole, and can now offer snippets of
wise perspective like this from afar?
Yes, women's (AND also men's) lives are difficult in Nepal. But let's admit that some progress HAS been made, and that more is being made.
But the SPEED of progress will not be as fast as we all want when educated, smart and well-aware women like yourself are, for whatever reaspons, apparently not willing 'to
get your hands dirty', so to speak, by wrestling with the problems Nepali women face day in and day out in Nepal.
Therein lies our tragedy, Suna-ji.
Those who know what needs to be done in Nepal live in DC, Boston and London and other places. Those of us who don't know much somehow manage to muddle along in Kathmandu.
You also wrote: "Another day for the UN expat women to socialize!"
My answer: Ah, if only!!
Because of the morning rains yesterday, my friends and I ended up cancelling the hike, and instead went to this Festival. There was a UN stall, yes, but it was managed by a man -- Ram Babu Shah, the communication office, to be prescise.
I looked around and saw no stereotypical UN wives/women that we all love to make fun of.
I did meet and talked with a Nepali Muslim woman by the name of Taufica Banu who runs Women Skill Development Center, which teaches skills to women so that their they can produce and sell sweaters, bags and so on in the market. I also met quite a few young women who wanted to start IT-related businesses, or catering businesses or flower-arranging businesses and so on and on
Suna-ji, criticism is one thing. Cynicism is another. My request is that let it not c
orrode your optimism and hope for Nepal and Nepali women.
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| Suna |
Posted
on 02-Feb-03 12:56 PM
Ashu
if my words and ideas could hold so much depth and power, ah! yes if only.....
alas, you asked me my opinion and hence my frank one was posted here.
Please DO NOT take the liberty of assuming that I, along with other women here have not gotten our hands dirty! What we do or do not does not have to be advertised here on sajha.
To answer your question, YES I am "pleased as punch" that I am out of the dal-dal of our society (I did watch punch and judy when I was young but NO I don't want to be used as a punching bag by some judy here!) and am I offering - what was that?? hmmmm
Ashu, you humor me!!
And now, please don't ask for opinions when you can't digest and respect another's perspectives.
HAI?
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| katmandude |
Posted
on 02-Feb-03 02:42 PM
Suna ji,
I dont think Ashu was asking for your opinion. The way you expressed yourself sounded like folks in Nepal should not do anything because they might not know what they are doing.
K'dude
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| ashu |
Posted
on 02-Feb-03 07:29 PM
Suna-ji,
Why can't your "words and ideas" hold much power?
Why can't you have that much belief in yourself?
I mean, we talk about bringing out changes, don't we? How will changes come about if smart, educated and aware women like yourself think of yourself as not having much depth and power, and let things be that?
Again, like I said, such is our tragedy: those who are in a position to do something by dint of their education, exposure and so on are often afar, express helplessness but
somehow still manage to make light of others' efforts in this "hell-hole" called Nepal. [A few months ago, there was an article in 'Nepal' by Rabindra Mishra that picked up this theme.]
On another note, your frankness is NOT the issue here. But you'll agree that even frankness that's apparently based on cynicism, suspicions and conjectures add up to nothing much. And so, when you express your "frank opinions" about the festival from afar WITHOUT asking for more info and without even being able to visit it and see
what it was really about, then, you do unintentional damage to your well-known frankness. I mean, calling Nepal a "hell-hole" for one . .. how insulting/demeaning
can you get in the name of your frankness?
In addition, if you have gotten your hands dirty in Nepal, so to speak, why not "advertise" it, just like you have advertized your fascination, to cite one example, with the consulting firm McKinsey & Company? As long as you do your advertisement truthfully and make it topically RELEVANT and content-rich, people like you have much
to offer to all of us . . . or so I'd think.
After all, that's what sajha is, isn't it: a platform to share ideas, views and EXPERIENCES with people you'll probably never meet in person.
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| Suna |
Posted
on 03-Feb-03 06:39 AM
My fascination with McKinsey & Company??
hahahahha!!!
I'm sorry shrink, I have no more to say to you other than you are WAY OFF mark!!!
Read this again!
"those who are still enthralled in the hell-hole that our society has created for them"
Now did I call Nepal a hell-hole??
( And I did not read the rest!)
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| ashu |
Posted
on 03-Feb-03 07:14 AM
Well, Suna-ji, pardon the pun, but, if one is to agree with you, then, geographically, where the hell is this "hell-hole" that "our society has created" for Nepali women, if
not, in Nepal?
I assume that the "hell-hole" you are referring to does NOT exist in the Greater Washington DC Metro area . . . or does it?
If it does, then, logically, you would not be commenting negatively on an activity (i..e the festival) that took place -- NOT in DC but -- far away from you, in Kathmandu,
hoi na ta?
And what do you mean by "our society"?
Given that you have talked about your Darjeeling connections more than once here in the past, are you talking about how women are treated in Darjeeling as a version of your "our society"?
Since there is NO, you will agree, standard one-size-fits-all "our society" anywhere on the planet, what exactly constitutes your version of "our society" that you so confidently characterize as "enthral[ing women] in the hell-hole"?
Could you please give answers?
************
Like I said, it's one thing to be critical, with thoughts and ideas, and I think we all appreciate that level of critical give-and-take.
But men and women in and from Nepal (i.e. so-called "hell-hole") can do without your kind of blanket cynicism and patent pooh-poohing from afar.
[Of course, I understand that your comment might have been a throw-away one, and you could have shrugged it off as such, and that would have been fine with me. But
you seem too proud to accept it as such, and hence the fun is, at least before I begin to read a report on another late-night shift at work for me, in making you accountable to your own words.]
That's all.
The sajha search seems down, and I have a pretty good memory. Will find the McKinsey references someday, and will post them here to refresh your memory.
oohi
ashu
"hell-hole" aka ktm, nepal
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| surya |
Posted
on 03-Feb-03 07:49 AM
Oh Ashu: stop it! You are sounding like a bloody bull dog. So Suna thought the event might be for the expat wives and the rich and moneyed few of Kathmandu, so what? It is not like that does NOT happen more often than NOT!
You are have more than once tried to shut people who don't live in Nepal but might have an opinion about what is happeniong in Nepal by basically saying (like you have done on this thread), "well, if you are not willing to stay in Nepal and gfight the good fight, then what business do you have to say anything?"
Whatever.
Lot of these, past and present, women's empowerment and women's advancement events are basically events are by and for the privledged few in Kathmandu. So I see no reason to go on and on about this and try to villify and mock and get all nasty.
Hell-hole... Kathmandu can be a hell-hole and so can DC! beleive me. BFD!
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| Suna |
Posted
on 03-Feb-03 09:01 AM
Make me accountable for my words??
WHO ARE YOU??
A mere ivy-league grad with SOME intelligence (sometimes!) who seems to get off on telling everyone how to think, when to think and what to think!!
MY DEAR ASHU!!
I am accountable for many more more important things in life than mere WORDS!!
And lets not resort to indirect name calling!
ME PROUD?????
PULEZZZZZZZZZZZZ!! I think over the course of this past year, regular posters know who is proud!
I gave you much more credit than what you have proved to be!
My connections with Darjeeling for one and trying to link the two issues.
Take a lesson or two from some of your harvard pals on humility!
FOR THOSE ENGLISH MAJORS:
Anybody who took this otherwise:
"I wonder how much of the generated income will be put towards the majority of Nepalese women - those who are still enthralled in the hell-hole that our society has created for them."
DOES NOT translate into hell-hole=Nepal.
But since english is neither my mother nor my father tongue - please bear with me!)
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 03-Feb-03 12:28 PM
"I wonder how much of the generated income will be put towards the majority of Nepalese women - those who are still enthralled in the hell-hole that our society has created for them." ....Suna
The above written by Suna is a pretty valid speculation and a healthy scepticism on what is going on in our country.
"And what do you mean by "our society"?
Given that you have talked about your Darjeeling connections more than once here in the past, are you talking about how women are treated in Darjeeling as a version of your "our society"? "...Ashu
Totally irrelevant to the topic of discussion....waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of context!
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| jhapali |
Posted
on 03-Feb-03 12:40 PM
take it easy guys. this thread which started out as an informative piece has resulted in
people making personal attacks. why such hostility? ashu started this thread with a good intention and wanted everyone to know the things happening in ktm. and i am sure suna did not mean to sound so cynical as some people here are making her out to be. however, we do have to be careful of the words we choose to use. sometimes we come across differently then we intend to because of the words we choose and the way we present ourselves.
yes, women don't have it so easy in nepal. there are ills in our society that keep women from achieving their best. all societies have their problems. but when one recognizes this and wants to change things and bring awareness, we have to applaud his or her efforts.
so let us not keep bickering and making perosnal attacks. if the govt. and the maoists can come to some sort of resolution, i am sure we can too. so ashu, keep informing us of the events back home. thanks
jhapali
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| whine and chij |
Posted
on 03-Feb-03 01:11 PM
hey, at least folks lend a hand!
"Hell Hole" - Spinal Tap
The window's dirty
The mattress stinks
This ain't no place to be a man
I ain't got no future
I ain't got no past
And I don't think I ever can
The floor is filthy
The walls are thin
The wind is howling in my face
The rats are peeling
I'm losing ground
Can't seem to join the human race
Yeah
I'm living in a hell hole
Don't want to stay in this hell hole
Don't want to die in this hell hole
Girl, get me out of this hell hole
I rode a jetstream
I hit the top
I'm eating steak and lobster tails
The sauna's drafty, hoo
The pool's too hot
The kitchen stinks of boiling snails
The taxman's coming
The butler quit
This ain't no way to be a man
I'm going back
To where I started
I'm flashing back into my pan
Yeah, that's what I'm doing
And why not?
It's better in a hell hole
You know where you stand in a hell hole
Folks lend a hand in a hell hole
Girl get me back to my hell hole
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| suva chintak |
Posted
on 03-Feb-03 01:13 PM
Bom Bhole!! Kati dheri thread on women, where write I & I !?
Here I go:
Things were getting pretty dull on Sajha thread for the past month or so. After the three Sajha big guns - Ashu, Bishow, and Paschim - went on a well deserved R&R to repecurate from the battle royal over Mr. Deepak Gywali's Ph.D., Sajhapur felt like a town after a tornado. Some small talk, but no fireworks.
Slowly, the super three are trickling back and we can expect some good intellectual show again. So welcome back, Sirs!
Things are shaping up quitely nicely in this thread. Women's development, very very noble and worthy cause I say! We need more of it, no doubt about it at all...we should definitely get the UNDP behind this mission as well! Bhurtel's law of Latitude vs. Altitude definitely needs to be reversed once and for all for true development to take place.
While women's development is a must for our nation, one is baffled by certain bias evidenced amongst the respected Sajhapuri mahila brinda. While both Ashu and Paschim have dedicated themselves selflessly to the mission of uplifting women, the women here have shown a critical attitude to Ashu's good efforts while they are all praise for Paschim's. Paschim gets all the citations and recognitions as the 'the most eligible bachelor' and 'best cyber don juan' while poor Ashu is left with ingratitude. How can development succeed when there is such bias and inequality? After all, isn't women's developement all about gender equity? So I most humbly call upon the respected Sajhapure naris to show some fairness in the matter by not favoring one at the cost of the other. After all both of them went to the same great University (so I hear) and acquired similar methods and philosophies for the advancement of the fairer sex (doesn't fair sex means being fair to all?. Let gender mainstreaming begin!!
Nari bikas, jindabad!
purus sashan, murdabad!
aanya, asamanata, banda garaun!!
In this spirit, I rush off to serve East Asian sisters who just walked in, Ciao!!
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 03-Feb-03 01:29 PM
I do applaud Ashuji's endeavors to bring in news about women's movements and other social issues. However, I feel one has to be fair about assessing another's opinions and/or speculations without getting abrasive or personal about it. We are allowed to differ...with our dignities intact, I think!
Suva chintak ji...
All unmarried/single men of Sajha are eligible bachelours....hoina ta? ;)
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| moon |
Posted
on 03-Feb-03 01:50 PM
If it was cynical or flippant of Suna to write about 'UN women' , it's just as cynical to say that 'those who know what needs to be done in Nepal live in DC, Boston and London and other places'. Yes lot of us who live abroad are rightly concerned about what is happening in Nepal now. How does that necessarily translate into 'knowing what needs to be done in Nepal' ?
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| Nepali Kanchi |
Posted
on 03-Feb-03 02:36 PM
Suna, you judged the bideshi women who work for the United Nations and are stationed in Nepal. You said "May they complain less about their plight of having to spend time in a third world country". Thats pretty offensive and you have no basis to pass a judgement like that and say thats how those ppl think.
Ashu , you took it even a step further and said that "I looked around and saw no stereotypical UN wives/women that we all love to make fun of". Stop for a second and think about this: "Hey Ashu , did you see any of those stereotypical madises/ tharus we all love to make fun of?" how does that sound to you?
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| Poonte |
Posted
on 03-Feb-03 03:17 PM
La la la...Ashu jee aune bittikai tahalkai machaidine bhanya...ali sustari dimna tyo sui ko jhatka--chwassai ghoch.chha kya! Sathi haru, artha ko anartha nalagam...maan hani nagaram...je ho tei mattrai padam, tyo bhanda mathi ko nasocham...kalpanik artha haru ko sahara nalim...sab thik hunchha...SHANTI BHAWA!
Baru, nari-hak ko sandarbha uthda...maile suneko euta ramailo pro-nari ko nara sunne? La sunam...WE WANT SEXUAL ORGASMS--NOT SEXUAL HARRASSMENTS!!!! re :)
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| NK |
Posted
on 03-Feb-03 03:33 PM
Gentlewomen and gentlemen of Sajhaland! Honorable (or horrific, that, my dear and dearni, I leave upto your good judgment) Ashu is baaaaak! Now you know why I was wondering where and how he had been??
Shuva chintak jeeee, I read your posting with a keen interest. Are you also one of dem eligible bachelors of Sajhaland? I have a cousin. Maybe I can put good words about you.:))
You said narijati of Sajhaland are quite unfair to our Ashu. Maybe you know now why Paschim gets the upadhi of the most eligible bacherlor and not Ashu. Paschim would never never *never* lure a woman to a thread only to thrash her for her opinion. We are serious, flippant, mischevious, flirteous, grave, whatever the >>>> we want to be when we feel like it. Nobody, I repeat nobody should tell us how and what kind of words we should employ just because a particular thread is about nari and her achievement. Choice my dear choice. Ashu, you hear me???? That is the lecgacy of Steinem .
Naribad Jindabad!
Purush! You are all right too, well most of you!!
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| surya |
Posted
on 03-Feb-03 03:58 PM
I hate to prolong this.... but Nepali Kanchi said...
"Suna, you judged the bideshi women who work for the United Nations and are stationed in Nepal. You said "May they complain less about their plight of having to spend time in a third world country". Thats pretty offensive and you have no basis to pass a judgement like that and say thats how those ppl think. "
Hey, I have met plenty of expats who have that attitude... can't say Suna's comments strike me as baseless. Not ALL might have that attitude, but MANY do. And please, let's not get carried away thinking "expats," be they male or female are "fighting the good fight" in countries like Nepal, while the locals "flee for opportunities in DC, Boston and wherever else." For most Nepalis living out of the country, a life of an expat in Nepal is still easier than living abroad and struggling to make ends meet.
This particular development of trying to malign posters personally for their opinions is rather unfortunate, but the issues brought up are interesting and important and I think maybe we could focus on them! (ahem, that was my attempt at making up for my earlier transgressing of comparing a fellow poster to a member of the canine family:)
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| Nepali Kanchi |
Posted
on 03-Feb-03 04:37 PM
Surya ji , you said, "Not ALL might have that attitude, but MANY do" .... that is an opinion , not a fact!!!
You are 100 percent entitled to your opinions, but why insult others using information that does'nt hold water? Its makes one look silly, or even loose thier argument. (why even pass a judgement or stamp a label on individuals or groups?)
If you think you are right about the sentiments of "MANY" expats, then please show me your evidence.
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| surya |
Posted
on 03-Feb-03 04:39 PM
What evidence do you want? Transcripts of my exchanges with expats? Sorry, but that ain't gonna happen. If you want proof, go to court. This si a bloody web forum!
:)
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| Nepali Kanchi |
Posted
on 03-Feb-03 04:53 PM
Well since you said many expats have a negative attitude towards Nepal, I thought you were basing your argument on a scientific poll or study. I mean, if you met only a dozen expats and they didnt like Nepal, then , sorry dude , your statement does not represent the opinion of the entire group of hundreds of people!!!
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| whine and chij |
Posted
on 03-Feb-03 04:54 PM
k-du is awash in development money, and a favorite use of it is for holding wine and cheese talk-shops and luncheons in star hotels (blue star, anyone??) in and around k-du, so i reckon a healthy dose of skepti-, not cyni-, cism, is warranted. if nepali kanchi really wants to go verify surya's claim, i will happily provide a list of bideshi bikas wallah contacts in nepal, and they will surely oblige. of course, i sense nepali kanchi's claim that surya's claim won't hold water, well, won't hold water! c'mon, i'll be happy to monitor and evaluate the verification efforts...for a small consultant's fee, of course...
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| suva chintak |
Posted
on 03-Feb-03 05:10 PM
NKjyu, Sastanga Dandabat!!
They say: "Hell hath no fury like an angry women" and something tells me that quick exit is the better part of valor on this thread. Before I make myself invisible from this scene:
When I showed your offer of a nice cousin to my faithful budhi, she laughed and teased me. She thinks maybe I am yet to discovered my bisexual side (a cousion can be both a male or a female, right?). But she gives me her permission, if I can feed another 'wife' with my tandoori wages, 'you are good', she says. 'Explore the world' my budhi encourages me. Budhi also promises to help with the tilahari and pote. I think I have never seen a more open minded person, and so I too will try to emulate her liberal spirit by being totally gender blind! After all we are talking of ending gender discrimination in our country...what better way to start? I already talked to my Indi mastah, and he says he give me a raise if I marry dat cousin of yours. "Bilkul, no problem beta, tum bilkul fikar mat karna. Es risteke ke liya to mein tera mazduri double bhi karneko tayaar hun...Jai Gurunanaki', he said with joy. Sardarji is naturally amused by my prospects.
I tried to do my best to raise Ashu's prospects here, it seems he is going to be given no quarters around here...there is no unglueing Paschim from the affection of Sajhapuris! So I better save my own skin from the wrath fo the maha kalis while I can and and in passing, good luck Ashu, hold the fort as best as you can!! The ceasefire has obviously been broken by the damn Maoists.
Naribad jindabad,
Mahila bikas hunai parcha!
Laingik samanata deenai parcha!!
PS: This is all InJest, in case some of the righteous ire gets thrown in this directions.
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 03-Feb-03 05:32 PM
Trust Poonte ji to have an orgasmic explosion at every turn of sajha thread.... Last time it was about the fruit of the looms their 100% cotton threads....if I recall correctly!!!!
:P
ye poonte hajur...kata bepatta? Now we see you, now we don't!!!! :)
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 03-Feb-03 05:43 PM
Suva Chintak ji...
I am sure you have your own entourage of fan-following among the mahila bargars... I for one know that I love your wicked sense of humour! It is not so much as the content of a subject matter that one person gets " favored " over another but the tone of address! NK is correct.... abrasive and demeaning vocabulary combined with a personal attack can attract not too many people (male or female). Instead of an "intellectual" discussion it becomes a petty and vicious verbal war!
I am sure an intelligent being as yourself recognizes such. Hence, your fan following. Although you express yourself, you offend very few ...I am sure. But then, not everyone is capable of wit, humour and intellectual/nonjudgemental arguments all at the same time!
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| surya |
Posted
on 03-Feb-03 09:46 PM
Suva Chintak:
You've gotta like the guy who knows how to laugh and laugh himself too! You are funny and clever and self depracating enough that it all goes down well... may as some of us may be called "maha kalis" by you. You are nice so we will refrain from stomping on you and sticking our tongues out... this time at least. :P
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| ashu |
Posted
on 04-Feb-03 02:30 AM
Charles Dickens wrote about lives that are quietly desperate.
Sajha seemed, until yesterday, desperately quiet.
Now, let the good times roll on sajha, hoi na ta?
That said, the last thing anyone in Nepal needs -- whether in jest or in seriousness -- is some stupid metaphor in public on how women in Nepal are living in some "hell-hole", that too, tossed from afar as though one were so above it all. This was my only bone of contention. That's all.
However hard life is, there are (men and) women in Nepal-- doing what they can, to make life better for themselves, and no thanks to smug, cynical and I-escaped-that-hellhole type of Nepali women now living in the First World, and NOT even appreciating
their sisters' efforts back in Nepal, while spending all the time complaining about how life is unfair to women in general and in Nepal in particular.
***********
That said, Suva Chintak-ji, I don't mind if I am not considered the most eligible bachelor and so on and on. Let others enjoy that label, and that's fine with me.
I'd rather be myself (with warts and all), than try to live up to someone else's image
of what I should be. This true-to-myself approach has served me pretty fine so far,
and I trust that it will continue to serve me well in the future.
My attitude is: Unless I receive praises from those I admire/respect/love (such as my family members, boss, a few great friends, certain professors and professionals), my self-esteem is not going to go up and down and down just because of some sajha postings or just because what some people say about me. Let them say whatever the hell they want to say; and let's continue to wish them well WITHOUT bad-mouthing
them behind their back.
To be trusted, they say, is a lot better than to be liked.
And that's the goal I struggle toward every day.
oohi
ashu
happy to be living productively living in this society-created "hell-hole aka ktm,nepal
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| ashu |
Posted
on 04-Feb-03 03:00 AM
This is what was recently organized in ktm,nepal.
Taken from The Himalayan Times ko Web site.
Enjoy,
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
********************
Femi fest organised
"Himalayan News Service",
Kathmandu, February 1,
'International Femi Fest 2003' was organised here today with an objective of providing a platform for females from different communities to interact, share their views.
"Modern women need more focussed platform to move with changing environment, share thier views, intellectual inputs and a common ground to relate themselves," said Devashish Biswas, chief of the National Graphics (NG), the organiser of the event.
The stalls displayed clothings, shoes, pashmina shawls, interior decorations, electronic goods and fast moving consumer goods. Not only that there was a health awarness stall by Norvic-Escorts Health Care and Research Centre.
The festival was followed by a fashion show, lions women sari show, kids talent show, music band, songs, comedy show and so on.
Women have more purchasing power and have become more self-regulating in every modes of life, according to Biswas.
Meanwhile, Manushi, a bilingual women's magazine was launched by Nepal Development Trust here today that covers the interest of middle and upper middle class women having good income, who have substantial sense of independence in their thought and approach.
The editorial content covers most of the women issus based on research including the segments like career, beauty, fashion, events, interiors, health, relationship and the contemporaries concerning women with a better understanding.
The February issue has covered wedding special and special report on former Miss Nepals and thier present lives.
Femi Fest was supported by various organisations like United Nations Women Organisation, Nepal Film Artists Association, Model Association of Nepal, United Information Centre, Samsung and Wai Wai.
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 04-Feb-03 06:03 AM
"To be trusted, they say, is a lot better than to be liked.
And that's the goal I struggle toward every day." .... Ashu
I has been quite a struggle, I notice! I wish you a less "strugglesome" way!
Peace!
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 04-Feb-03 06:59 AM
It*
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| NK |
Posted
on 04-Feb-03 01:26 PM
Sigh! My poor cousin. All the good men are indeed taken.
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| NK |
Posted
on 04-Feb-03 01:35 PM
oops, i forgot my smileys. :))))
:)
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| Vision |
Posted
on 04-Feb-03 02:16 PM
NK jyu,
Indeed all the good men are taken...how about settling with not so good ones? I do have a good vision you know. Won't that impress your cousine?
;)
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| ugly duckling |
Posted
on 04-Feb-03 08:37 PM
NK,
Vision ji le tapai ko cousin ma aakha lagaudai chha hai....Hosiyar!!!!..:)
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