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   Wanna be Indian RAW 007 agent? If yes, r 06-Feb-03 suva chintak
     With all the Indian hype, sounds like GP 06-Feb-03 tick
       it makes perfect sense for any country t 07-Feb-03 prawin
         It is such a juvenile and inferiority co 07-Feb-03 Zubin
           Prabin and Zubin well said. I think N 07-Feb-03 Logical Sense
             Oh Please, give me a break! Come on g 07-Feb-03 suva chintak
               Not agreeing with Indian politics and ho 07-Feb-03 tick
                 raw! (good god, y'all) what is it good 07-Feb-03 whine and chij
                   This is nothing new - India and other co 07-Feb-03 Free Thinker
                     It is indeed a great concern that India 07-Feb-03 tick
                       tickji, I agree with you on this, talki 08-Feb-03 suva chintak
                         Suva Chintak ji, I agree with you in 08-Feb-03 tick
                           wowo! A great discussion. If, its not 08-Feb-03 isolated freak
                             Here's something that was published in t 08-Feb-03 isolated freak
                               This is a pretty intersting thread I agr 09-Feb-03 surya
                                 I know who wrote that article. It's Trai 09-Feb-03 bhedo
                                   IFji, insightful comments and the articl 09-Feb-03 suva chintak
                                     Looking at the Indian allegation that Ne 09-Feb-03 tick
                                       Whine and chiz, can you post anything wi 09-Feb-03 matrixx
I thought Whine and Chij was rather clev 09-Feb-03 surya
   Surya, you have rasied some good questio 10-Feb-03 isolated freak


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suva chintak Posted on 06-Feb-03 01:55 PM

Wanna be Indian RAW 007 agent? If yes, read on:
Here is a golden opportunity for pro-India forces in Nepal and abroad. Indian govt will pay money and privileges for those who will spread Indian propaganda and vouch that a cobra is actually a harmless fish!

India is already reported to have over 1200 agents in Nepal among the journalists, intellectuals, politicians, professionals and government officials. Many of them are recruited when they go to India for training or education, others are recruited inside Nepal.

The latest recruiting drive will give employment and money to many more. Maybe we shoud have a new term 'RAW Gorkhali' to designate this form of mercenary services.

Jai Hind!!

From the Hindustan Times:

IB, RAW to help sell secular India abroad
Jay Raina
New Delhi, February 6

Stung by repeated embarrassment in domestic and international forums over its treatment of minorities, the government has chalked out "a well-orchestrated perception management plan" aimed at influencing — both overtly and covertly — the way people look at India.

The initiative — a sort of brand promotion for ‘secular India’ — will be spearheaded by a born-again body under the Home Ministry, and will use, for the first time, the resources of IB and RAW for PR management and image-building abroad.

On the agenda will be funding pro-India think tanks, organising seminars and cultural extravaganzas with the express purpose of selling India's "unique composite culture", and cultivating influential print and television journalists.

Among the brand ambassadors for ‘secular India’ will be actors, sportsmen and other national icons, sources told Hindustan Times.

Coordinating the campaign will be the National Foundation for Communal Harmony (NFCH), a till-now nondescript body set up under the MHA in 1992 with a small corpus Rs 10 crore.

The primary aim of the NFCH was to raise funds for children hit by communal violence. Its most visible activities so far have been observing a 'Fund Raising and Communal Harmony Week' and 'Flag Day' every year.

Now, on the recommendation of a group of ministers headed by Deputy PM L.K. Advani, the NFCH will have a drastically upgraded profile.

The "11-point sub-plan" drawn up for it includes aggressive projection of the age-old co-existence of Hinduism, Islam, Buddhism, Sikhism, Jainism and Zoroastrianism in India, the composite character of the Indian armed forces, India's secular constitution and the guarantee against discrimination on the basis of religion.

Research on Indian multi-culturalism will be funded and university chairs set up.

Money will not be a problem, it is understood.
tick Posted on 06-Feb-03 06:27 PM

With all the Indian hype, sounds like GPK is one of them!!
prawin Posted on 07-Feb-03 01:55 AM

it makes perfect sense for any country to want to use covert operations to achieve its ends. if the state of Nepal were to possess the balls required to do something similar in Bhutan to address the refugee issue, perhaps Nepal could claim a superior diplomatic position and pressure the Druke's regime into submission. if Nepal-sympathetic revolutionary forces were to be covertly created in Bhutan, Nepal could enjoy a much better diplomatic position in the whole of South-Asia.

calling GPK one of them is such an infantile act. judging this act as anything [the whole intent behind the original posting] is nothing more than the manifestation of an individual's anti-India sentiments, in whatever civil disguise.
Zubin Posted on 07-Feb-03 07:29 AM

It is such a juvenile and inferiority complexed view to label indian motives as trying to eat up Nepal in whatever it does that it can suit only pahadi supremacist bigots who always keep on shivering ans whining at Indian might. It is also because of this racist attitude that madhesis suffer in their own land. Mahdesis are pro-indian by culture, by tradition, by idealogues of democracy and because the pahadi class have always kept them marginalised from the mainstream. Now, that does not mean all madhesis are working for RAW. India is a great nation, the largest democracy and nepal is atleast 50 years behind every aspects that matter. Learn from them.
Logical Sense Posted on 07-Feb-03 12:31 PM

Prabin and Zubin well said.

I think Nepal should also do the same thing in India, take the leverage of many intelectuals who graduated from amny prestigious Universities with top grades and influence Indian media through their ex-University's influence to spread the Nepalese views.

All the countries do this in their own way. Recently in US this is becoming more pronounced. Now I see the point of why US wants to educate more and more foreigners? It really helps them to spread the US value system among other things.

- iti
suva chintak Posted on 07-Feb-03 12:59 PM

Oh Please, give me a break!

Come on guys, are we trying to be 'more Indian than the Indian' here when you say
''the whole intent behind the original posting is nothing more than the manifestation of an individual's anti-India sentiments, in whatever civil disguise." For God's sake, this news item was published in the Hindustan Times! If a mainstream Indian newspaper thinks it worty to publish a news item about India's spy and propaganda activities abroad, why do some Nepalis (I assume?) think that it is inappropriate to publicize or bring it into public discussion? Chor ko khutta kaat...bhanya jasto ta bhayana kati?

If merely by discussing the activities of India's RAW and IB agencies one becomes anti-Indian, what more proof of undemocractic India do we need in a context where some of us seem to gloat that India is the biggest democracy? Does some one who talks about CIA activities become anti-American, or anti-British if they talk about MI6? Talk about democracy, for crying out loud! By the way, if the Indian democracy was so good, why would it need a propaganda campaign to make it appear good? Soon lai jalap lagi rahanu pardaina, haina?

Why did this discussion suddenly become pahadi vs madhesi? Neither the news story nor I said anything about pahadi or madhesi. I do some so called champions of madhesi need to equate India and madhesh as being one and the same? I would disagree with the claim that "Mahdesis are pro-indian by culture, by tradition, by idealogues of democracy and because the pahadi class have always kept them marginalised from the mainstream. Now, that does not mean all madhesis are working for RAW. " For Indian immigrants this might be balm, but for majority of the Nepali this statement is an insult.

First, there are many, many Madhesis who do not consider themselves to be pro-Indian either culturally, traditionally, or ideologically. So let us not speak for the whole Madhesis. I have seen many very solid Madhesis Nepali nationalists who don't have to identify with India to create their identity. I have great respect for all the people from the madhesh

And I don't buy the generalized statement that pahadis kept them out of the mainstream. Look at education, occupation, professions, bussiness sector, and agriculture, the Madhesis are very well represented. Now we even have a deputy-prime minister...is that marginalization? Why hasn't India have a prime minister or deputy prime minister (non-hindu) from the minority community for all these 50 years of democracy? (In India, the president is a very ceremonial position, the prime minister holds all the power). And talk about the treatment of minorities...Nepal at least does not burn and kill thousands of its regional and ethnic minorities in government orchestrated riots. But of course, India has the best and the largets democracy!!

And Sir, I think you are doing a great disservice to all the people from the Terai by saying that "Now, that does not mean all madhesis are working for RAW. " You statement would imply that some madhesis do work for RAW. I for one never new that madhesis worked for RAW, coming from your mouth, now I would have to assume that some madhesis are RAW to the core.

But I doubt that any Nepali citizen from the terai would work for RAW. I think those madhesis who work are Indian immigrants, regionally and ethnically they would identify themselves as madhesis even if they are Indian citizens. So if Indian madhesi immigrants work for Indian agency, there is no suprise.

I am sure many of us have deep and abiding love and loyalty, but there are better ways of showing that. Trying to shut down a discussion is certainly a vulgar form of Indian nationalism.

I love India, I love Indians (for God' sake my mastah is Indian), I love the Indian ludiks even more, who knows...even my ancestors might have one day trekked up from that direction in the hoary past. But that does not mean that I have to love the actions of the Indian government as well!! Can't the pro-India lobby in Nepal see this simple difference between loving a country and disagreeing with the government? And the democracy that does not allow people to peacefully question the workings of the government is no democracy, its only an false illusion that has to be maintained by a propaganda gimmick like the one now been entrusted to RAW and IB.

Jai Nepal!
(And if by saying Jai Nepal I sound like anti-Indian to folks with sheer RAW intelligence, so be it! When millions of Indians say Jai Hind, we never construe it as anti-Nepali hymn, do we?).
tick Posted on 07-Feb-03 12:59 PM

Not agreeing with Indian politics and how it treats its neighbors is not being "NOT ANTI INDIAN " I have been told many times by regular Indians that Nepal is a part of India and Indians in general have a subdued value against Nepalis, it is not a favorable thought for sure.

Weather you like it or not India has its own theory on how it wants to handle its neighbors, politically. Unfortunately being nice is not one of them. There are many reports that there are many RAW agents in Nepal yet there are people who deny that vigorously.

Having pointed my thoughts about India this is not a matter of being an Indian (supporter) or an Indian hater. This is a matter that needs serious thought on how to manage India with so much of Indian influence in Nepali politics. If you know some politicians in Nepal please ask them on how Indian Embassy in Kathmandu plays a role in different demonstrations, political negotiations and enforcing policies; that is done by Nepalis. It might sound disturbing but hey.. you need to know.

I am not saying that we need to start anti-Indian rally here, my point is that we should not take the matter lightly on how to manage our neighbors be it India or China.

There is no doubt that Indian infiltration in Nepali politics is deep rooted this could be used for the benefit of Nepal not by lobbying Indian interest but my using the same force for the benefit of Nepal. Hence, my 2 cents.
whine and chij Posted on 07-Feb-03 01:25 PM

raw!
(good god, y'all)
what is it good for?
(absolutely nothin')

that being said/sung, it makes sense for nepal to infiltrate india's army and raw. whoops, been there, done that, got the dhoti. ;)
Free Thinker Posted on 07-Feb-03 01:34 PM

This is nothing new - India and other countries have done this for years- someone once remarked that Kathmandu is the Casabalanca of today's espionage. I agree we need to do some of this on our own in India and other places. Intelligence is the most critical area of Nepal's national security and it is about time,( assuming we haven't already done so), that we started pursuing an agressive intelligence and counter intelligence based national security doctrine.
tick Posted on 07-Feb-03 06:34 PM

It is indeed a great concern that India successfully manipulates politics of Nepal. We all should be aware not to promote Indian interest against the national interest of Nepal.

To all those that advocate the interest of India, think of Nepal first. This will not make you anti-Indian. This will make you a true Nepali.

As far as counter intelligence is concerned, the price is too high not to do it.
suva chintak Posted on 08-Feb-03 11:38 AM

tickji,
I agree with you on this, talking about Nepali interests should not be construced by the Indians as anti-Indian. We never say it is anti-Nepal when India or Indians talk about 'India's national interests.'

Two contries, like two neighbors, will have many interests that converge and some that diverge. Just because one country wants to pursue its legitimate interests, the other sould not say they are anti-us! The solution is to have reasonable and just settlement through negotations. India being a large and powerful country, does not like to often want to go through this process, it would rather dictate its will in South Asia.

And I sometines get amused by the self proclaimed champions of Madhesis. I think these folks are developing a particular kind of racism against the pahadis. They take it upon themselves to attack anything that is even remotely connected to pahadis. I think it is one thing to be critical of the Nepali government, but to villify every pahade is simply unjust and irrational.

How is a poor pahade who ekes out an subsistence in the hills and mountains torment the Madhesi? Why make such blanket racial allegations that have no substance?

Rather than antagonism, there are many economic and social ties between the Nepalis who live in the hills and those who live in the plains. Let us try to strengthen and promote these bonds between the pahades and madhesis for national integration rather than engaging in a jihad to divide the hills and terai. A divisive tendency will not sever the Nepali nation, but it will not help the madhesis either, if indeed that is our motive in sparking racial hatred. And saying we are pro-India on cultural, traditional and ideological terms while lambasting the parbate certainly does speak for a genuine Nepali madhise, even if it reflects the sentiments of some of the Indian immigrants.

Pahad and Terai, bhai bhai and bahini bahini!!
tick Posted on 08-Feb-03 01:36 PM

Suva Chintak ji,

I agree with you in the first two paragraphs.

This issue is not about Pahades or Madhesis. There are people who are very sensitive when it comes to the relationship with India. It IS a sensitive issue. All I am saying that I see how Indian interest gets advocated and yet anyone that questions those motives are labeled as anti-Indians. India is a powerful neighbor and will remain so. We are not just land-locked we are India locked, politically and geographically. My biggest concern is how Indian might influences political activities of Nepal.

Nepal is weak and poor as compared to most of its neighbors. Nepal is in not in a position to influence India, at least for the moment. This is where I think we should focus on. We need to educate Indians and lobby India for the national Interest of Nepal. Many Indian leaders have favorable thoughts about Nepal; it needs to be utilized for the benefit of both India and Nepal.
isolated freak Posted on 08-Feb-03 10:03 PM

wowo!

A great discussion. If, its not poking my "ignorant" nose in this seemingly well articulated, thought provioking and one of the most ineteresting discussions I have come across in this board lately, please allow me to share my views :

I agree with Suva Chintak and Tick when they say, being Pro-Nepali is not being Anti-Indian. The Indian governmnet or RAW is yet to undertsand this simple fact. If I am not mistaken, sometimes in 2000, India Today published a report with the names of Nepali "ISI" agents and I personally believe that those people were labelled ISI agents because they were really vocal about the growing Indian activities in Nepa and were Pro-Nepall.The Indian governmnet later denied to have anything to do with that report, but leaving an important question unaswered:

How on earth did India Today acquire that report?

My own analysis of this is: The GOI handed that report to the India Today group so that they could publish what's in it. Although people in Nepal dismissed that report rightaway, it nonetheless had some effects on the Indian population. It was the Indian governmnet's very Indian way of proving that Nepal is a safe haven for the ISI and India should get involved in the nepali politics. A brilliant strategy on the GOIs part to turn the majority of the Indian population against Nepal and this my friend, is also a form of covert operation.

Yes, Intelligence and Counter Intelligence are the areas we should focus on. If the US and China can agree to have a intelligence officer in their missions in Beijing and DC why can't we have a similar agreement with India?

Intelligence gathering does not necessarily mean playing James Bond or Sherlock Holmes. Intelligecne gathering means lobbying, interacting with people from all walks of life and learn what they feel about Nepal and based on that, suggest our policy makers to come up with policies that will help in building better relations, whether with China, the US or India. Mnay countries now practice this, at least one mission staff is an intelligence officer.
isolated freak Posted on 08-Feb-03 10:09 PM

Here's something that was published in the Kathmandu Post not very long ago. I hope this will be "interesting" to those "interested":

Sun Tzu and Chanakya on spies

Intelligence gathering has helped nations not only protect them selves from treason and terrorist activities, but has also helped in formulating foreign policies. Especially, in the Post 9/11 world, the role of intelligence gathering has proven even more crucial to find out the whereabouts of terrorist leaders and organizations and to formulate a foreign policy that calls for an alliance of all nations to fight terrorism.

Although, this sounds new to many of us, and some of us might even think that intelligence gathering is a relatively new western concept, two eastern scholars and strategists, Sun Tzu in China, and Chanakya or Kautilya in India, highlighted the role of intelligence in country’s domestic and foreign affairs more than 2000 years ago. Sun Tzu, in his book The Art of War (Sun Tzu Bing Fa, in Chinese) and Chanakya in his book on statecraft, Arthashastra, have not only written about the importance of spies in the safe running of the state, but have also classified the spies into various groups, and have clearly stated the roles of each group.

According to Sun Tzu, advance knowledge of enemy’s moves is very crucial to run and protect the state. Chapter 13 of Sun Tzu’s book, titled Yong Men (using people) discusses the ways of employing spies with a rationale that one cannot find out the enemy’s true situations from ghosts, spirits or gods, so, it is imperative to employ spies to find out about the enemy.

He sees the need for 5 types of spies to run the daily affairs of the state and to win a war—local spy, internal spy, double agent, expendable spy and living spy. Local spy is hired from the area of which the information is needed. Internal spy holds a key position in the enemy’s bureaucracy and has access to important information.

Double agent is the enemy’s spy. Sun Tzu seems generous towards internal spy and double agent because it is from them, the information about one’s own double agents can be acquired. So, there is a provision for rewards to these two types of spies. Expendable spy is hired to disseminate false information to the enemy. Sun Tzu does not seem very kind to this particular group of spies because he writes that once the job is done, then, it’s better for the state to kill the spy. Living spy is the most valuable one because he goes to the enemy’s territory, witnesses the events taking place there and based on the intelligence he has gathered, submits a report to the ruler. When all these five types of spies are mobilized secretly, then the state will always be able to take proactive measures against the enemy’s moves.

Likewise, Chanakya, in the 9th chapter of his book under the heading, State Administration, highlights the importance of spies in day to day running of the state. Chanakya has divided the secret service into two distinguished groups: the establishment and the rover. The establishment consists of professionals such as interns at the court, high-ranking monks, householders, merchants and fake ascetics.

They all work undercover and submit their reports to the head of the intelligence services. Spies who fall under the establishment do not move around. The rover group, as the name suggests, have to travel around gathering intelligence. This group consists of people who are criminals, trained killers, Brahmin nuns and orphans. Of these four, the criminals and trained killers are mobilized to secretly kill people who are engaged in corruption and crimes against the state.

The latter two are trained by the state for espionage and are given high respect in the court, which gives them unrestricted access to the homes of bureaucrats and commoners. All These spies report to the establishment and the establishment reports to the head of the intelligence services. Chanakya also has a provision for spies who work in foreign countries. These spies are similar to Sun Tzu’s internal agents and double agents because they get paid from both sides. These spies go to foreign countries and secure important positions in offices there, befriend the ruler or key administrators to acquire information and pass that information to their home country. To ensure the loyalty and honesty of this type of spies, Chanakya suggests that their wives and children be taken hostages until the mission is accomplished.

Both writers’ emphasis on being one step ahead of the enemy in safeguarding the nation is still relevant in today’s world- perhaps it was more relevant at the time of their writing! Terrorism has emerged as a common enemy of the civilized world in recent times. The whole world is waging a war against terror, and advance knowledge of terrorists’ plans is one of the most important tools to win this war that has affected the lives of millions of people worldwide.


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surya Posted on 09-Feb-03 12:11 PM

This is a pretty intersting thread I agree, Isolated Freak. I am curious to find out who wrote the article about Sun Tzu and Chanakya.

Also, about RAW agents and what not...

"The "11-point sub-plan" drawn up for it includes aggressive projection of the age-old co-existence of Hinduism, Islam, Buddhism, Sikhism, Jainism and Zoroastrianism in India, the composite character of the Indian armed forces, India's secular constitution and the guarantee against discrimination on the basis of religion."

This seems like a pretty good use of RAW agents. So India wants to manage its image internationally and manage its people internally, what the problem with that? Right?!

But taking note of what Suva Chintak prefaced the article with... that there are "over 1200 [RAW} agents in Nepal among the journalists, intellectuals, politicians, professionals and government officials. Many of them are recruited when they go to India for training or education, others are recruited inside Nepal." I have to ask, is that a fact? Where are the stats coming from? Has the Indian Government revealsed this recently? And why would they do that? Are most importantly, are these people who are operating in Nepal just there to promote India's image or are they also inevitably promoting India by influencing Nepali cultural and political life to becoming pro-India?

Maybe that was a really reduandant question. Whatrever it is, hos do we know that the recruitment of cultural researchers is the same as the recruitment of RAW agents bhanya. Khai ma ta confooosed.

About the article from the post, I guess it's good to remember once in a while that we have not progressed much beyond what we were 2000 years ago. We are still killing each other and spying on each other. The scary thing though is that now we have weapons of mass distructions.The last paragraph seems to say "therefore, all the spying going on now is not only justified but necessary." As much as I agree, I though that was rather pat.
bhedo Posted on 09-Feb-03 12:17 PM

I know who wrote that article. It's Trailokya Aryal.
suva chintak Posted on 09-Feb-03 12:36 PM

IFji, insightful comments and the article you attached is interesting...so our eastern rishi-munis knew of the cloak-and-dagger business long time ago, eh?

Yes, the simeple fact is tha all modern states try to have their own intelligence network, bothwitin and outside the country. Apart from the large RAW contingent in Kathmandu, there are spices and local recruits for CIA, MI6, KGB (or its later version), Chinese agency, ISI, Mossad, and who knows what else.

I think many of these agents work out from their embassy to handle the local recruits. Last month there was a big report in 'Nepal' magazine that CIA had set up a new cell to look into the Maoists, that is why two of its Nepali agents were killed by the rebels.

I often get amused by Indian bashing of Nepal for being an ISI base. What about the RAW base in Nepal? But isn't India itself much bigger ISI base? Just last week they expelled the Pakistani ambassador and his wife for being spies helping the Kashmiri militants. These reports of Pakistani agents being caught in India are pretty regular. And the Pakistanis also regularly expell Indian diplomats on charges of spying. Tit for tat.

I just heard a rumor some years ago that one Indian government report had identified late queen Aishwarya as the Tamil Tiger agent involved in the planning of the killing of Rajiv Gandhi. Did you hear of this issue? I would appreciate if any one can shed more light on this episode of spy game in South Asia. If this is true, she could be the female equivalent of Bin Laden, the Phantom Meanace for India.

And the most interesting thing is whenever one mentions the policies of Indian government in a slightly critical fashion, folks who tend to wear their democratic credentials on their sleeves tend to jump into an attack mode, almost as if on cue.

One veteran Nepali diplomat once told me that one method of recruiting Nepalis into the RAW network is to dangle the carrot of admission into Indian colleges and universities. Many parents refuse, but some find the 'deal too good to refuse', as Robert de Niro said in a different context.

Yes, I agree that Nepal must have robust intelligence system both internally and externally to safeguard its legitimate interests. I think one reason for the breakdown of the law and order situation in the country today and the rise of the Maoist terror is due to the complete breakdown of Nepals intelligence agencies such as Bishesh Prahari and the Nepal Guptachar Bihivag in the last twelve years. Once democracy came, all the experienced agents who had all the field networks were fired by the new regime and their place was taken by untrained party workers. There was no incentive to produce result now, your position was secure as long as you did your weekly darshan to your party boss and expressed your loyalty to him. When that happens, any organization, let alone an intelligence agany, is going to be an worthless.

By the way, did any of you read Sharad Niraula's Nepali spy novels? This guy was a good writer, kind of our John La Carre. I wonder if
the Nepali spy genre even exists today, this is an indication of where our intelligence is today!
Ciao!
tick Posted on 09-Feb-03 01:00 PM

Looking at the Indian allegation that Nepal is becoming an ISI base, one-thing surfaces for sure. India always had control over Nepali politics, to a much greater extent. In this light I can say that maobadis were also "chess" game played against Nepal. If this is not the case than why was the Indian government not cooperating in the capture of the maobadi leaders sheltered in India in the major cities? I understand that it is not easy to capture any in a big city but the cooperation was "zero" from the Indian government when it came to the maobadi leaders. They did "catch" some grass-root maobadis to show the world that they are doing "something" against terrorism to show the world but they would not go any higher than grass root maobadis.

Since there is a cease-fire India sees this as loosing the very game that it played against Nepal. I am looking at it as a drastic comment made by the loosing team?
matrixx Posted on 09-Feb-03 02:03 PM

Whine and chiz, can you post anything without calling names? Who and what is "dhoti.
"? Besides, your postings don't make sense.
surya Posted on 09-Feb-03 02:32 PM

I thought Whine and Chij was rather clever... very tongue and cheek with its popular culture references. And I don't think dhoti is meant to be a gaal here. "Been there, done that, got a tshirt" I guess you haven't heard that one before, Matrixx. :)
isolated freak Posted on 10-Feb-03 01:10 AM

Surya, you have rasied some good questions. I just hope that somebody here has the answers to your questions.

Suva Chintak,

Yes, I agree. Intelligence is the backbone of statecraft these days. You need intelligence and information not only to make foreign/defense polices but also to make education, economic and development polcies. And its perfectly alright for the nation states to send in their people to other countries to learn and gather information on various issues.

India and Pakistan have been playing this cat-and-mouse game for almost 5 decades now. They however, are yet to learn new tricks. And when they can’t resolve issues diplomatically, they resort to the same age old practice of issuing persona-non-grata to staff members of the mission.

Re: India Today Report

Yeah, there was a report published one of the issues of India Today which mentioned something like what you have written above. But, the Indian government denied to have anything with that report, so.. who wrote that report and how it made it to the India Today press is a mystery.

Regarding the report published in Nepal magazine, the US Embassy in Kathmandu denied the allegations and I don’t find myself contradicting with the press release of the Embassy. There;’s no way that Nepali reporter would have found out about CIA operations, if they were actually engaged in any. Don’t you think, if someone starts hanging out and hanging around an “intelliegence base”, the intelligence agency will withdraw the program right away? Do you think that the American government/agencies are not cautious enough to protect their operations worldwide? Wouldn’t they be watching people hanging around the house with CCC? Do you think that they came to know that their cover is blown by reading a report in Nepal magazine? No way, the house couldn’t have been used for intelligence purpose, it was purely used for security purpose.: The house was rented by the US Embassy’s security cell. They used the house as a base to monitor what was going inside/around the embassy. That house, was probably more like your campus security building where they have rooms where you get the images from CCCs that are on your campus building(s) and have emergency communication systems.


”Yes, I agree that Nepal must have robust intelligence system both internally and externally to safeguard its legitimate interests”.

Yes, we should.

Re: Bishesh Prahari:

Yes, I agree. A report published on Himal or Nepal quoted one intelligence officer as having said “ahile sabai niskriya cha, dherai naya jassos chan.. tara ini haroole kaam nagare pani, hamile jamma gareko suchana bahira lagi delan bhanne daar cha”. [ We have many new faces these days. Its not a fear/problem that they don’t work, all we are fearful of/worried about is that these new people might make sensitive information public.]

Anyway, Nepal can have agreements with other countries to send 1-3 intelligence officers in its missions abroad. Believe me, many nations will wholeheartedly agree if reciprocity is assured. We send our people there, they send in there people here.. America and China signed a deal on sending intelligence officers in missions in Beijing and DC in the early 70’s. Although, I am not sure, I have heard that Nepal now has a similar agreement with India. You send in X no. of people in your mission, we send X no. of people in Delhi. But, I am not sure, suneko.. halla ko kura ho..