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| surya |
Posted
on 11-Feb-03 10:07 AM
What do you all think about Madav Nepal's statement yesterday about the King's role (or lack thereof) in the talks with Maoists?
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| suva chintak |
Posted
on 11-Feb-03 01:46 PM
I think Mr. Nepal is very unrealistic and uninformed of the basic ground realities. For somtime now it is the institution of monarchy which has been fighting the Maoists, whether we like it or not. UML and NC were in some kind of unofficial alliance with the rebels. Now Mr. Nepal has the guts to say that the Moaists should only negotiate with UML and NC and not with the King? As far as I can see, UML/ NC have been having these negotations for a long time, but nothing come out of it for the country. That is why the King has to be involved this time...
My two cents and a penny
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| boston_dude |
Posted
on 11-Feb-03 01:48 PM
It doesn't matter what Nepal of Girija keep yapping about. They have very little say in this whole matter and I think it is for good. So, let them keep yapping.
B_D.
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| Deepak Bista |
Posted
on 11-Feb-03 07:53 PM
Dear Boston Due,
You hit the chord and that's it.
Let Shree Panch Gyanendra do the job and May Pashupatinath bless him in his efforts.
Deepak
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| isolated freak |
Posted
on 11-Feb-03 08:20 PM
Yes, agree with boston dude and everyone.
Girija and Makune are now turning intow super clowns. Its called evolution. They were clowns, now because of the mutation or whatever it is, they are getting "polished".
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| Vision |
Posted
on 11-Feb-03 08:48 PM
Tyaita...
Pashupati naath le hami sabai ko kalyan garun
Jai desh, jai naresh
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| surya |
Posted
on 11-Feb-03 09:00 PM
Are there any people who think M.Nepal is on the right track?
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| isolated freak |
Posted
on 11-Feb-03 09:02 PM
not that i can think of. i don't think even people like Oli, Gautam and others of the politbureau agree with his "anta-santa"
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| Vision |
Posted
on 11-Feb-03 09:08 PM
Mr. Nepal is on the collision course. He is temperamental, he is synical, he is obnoxious, he is stubborn, and more importantly, he has no vision.
someone once said, vision without action is like day dreaming, and action without vision is a nightmare. I think Mr Nepal is the latter.
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| isolated freak |
Posted
on 11-Feb-03 09:14 PM
bingo! here's one oif his maahan kura (on being asked what's that UML wants):
"hamile khojeko dhara 128 ko marma ra bhawana anurup ko sarkar, tara dhara 128 prayog garnu parcha bhaneko hoina"
"we want all party governmnet that incoroporates the feeling and sentiment (?) of the article 128, but we are not saying that article has to be used"
In his interview on Disha Nirdesh and Channel Nepal's aajako sandarva..
"hamro alochanatmak samarthan cha" [when asked about the imposition of the state of emergency]
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| isolated freak |
Posted
on 11-Feb-03 09:16 PM
read as' we are not saying that the article 128 should be used"
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| Padme |
Posted
on 12-Feb-03 08:51 PM
I have lost faith in elected leadres ie Nepal/GPK. The only hope I have is the king to take the country to the new heights.
There is a leadership vaccum in Nepali janata and I only see King as the only leader that can save the country.
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| Satya |
Posted
on 14-Feb-03 09:37 AM
Padmeji,
You have lost faith in thieves but discovered one in robber!
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| Padme |
Posted
on 14-Feb-03 10:55 AM
Satya ji,
You are free to judge as you please.
Have you heard "when you point a finger at someone there are three fingers pointing at you"? Does this mean anything to you, Sir?
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| Satya |
Posted
on 14-Feb-03 11:04 AM
Padmeji,
With due respect to your views I stick to my views. Only tome will tell us who is right.
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| Zubin |
Posted
on 14-Feb-03 11:09 AM
To disregard polital mainstreams and get two gun totting supremacists agree by making secret deals is lethal. Maoists are brutal dictatoriolist, king with army under is not constitutional king but a law upon himself. If you beleive they will think best for people in average, it is sheer stupidity.
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| Satya |
Posted
on 14-Feb-03 11:10 AM
Dear Sajhabashi,
Please replace 'tome' with time in my previous post.
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| surya |
Posted
on 14-Feb-03 11:16 AM
If the world has come to a time when only theives care about the people, then theives I will support! Robin Hood ko katha sunya cha ki chaina?
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| boston_dude |
Posted
on 14-Feb-03 11:27 AM
Well, I am hopeful that the 2 extreme sides will compromise and when they do, it will benefit the greater public. Even if the 2 sides are only looking out for themselves (which I don't know is true). Think of it this way: What would the Maoists want the most? A weaker king so they dont have to fight to death with RNA. What does the king want the most? A weaker Maoist, so he does not have to risk his seat and life. So, let these 2 extreme sides wheel and deal. It could only mean good things to Nepal whether you are on the Maoist or the monarch's side. It possibly could not be worse than what we have seen so far.
It is tragic to see how weak the political parties: NC and UML are. Led by leaders who have demonstrated to have no conviction, no shame, no idea how to deal with the king. As a result, they are looking ever more like jokers.
B_D.
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| Padme |
Posted
on 14-Feb-03 11:29 AM
Allegations are easy. Calling names are easy. Having empathy is hard. The understanding of the people that are trying to resolve the insurgency - is harder.
I call on all Sajities to be supportive of the present government to solve the insurgency once and for all. Then we all can argue who is better. I have family in Nepal, I have friends in Nepal, my home is Nepal; I am sure yours is too. Let us make Nepal a better place by helping to resolve the insurgency. There might be little we could do from here but we all could lend a hand with a collective voice.
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| Tick |
Posted
on 14-Feb-03 11:42 AM
What political parties have done to Nepal is a joke and a disgrace. They are still trying to take their "share" from the current situation. They are not just thieves or robbers they are vultures.
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| surya |
Posted
on 14-Feb-03 11:55 AM
Okay I read my last post and have to say contexually I read wrong so it makes no sense. Oh well.
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| mirador |
Posted
on 14-Feb-03 02:04 PM
The best role Gyanendra can have is not have a role at all.
...but we common people are stupid and ignorant and need to be shepherded so he should really do us a favor and become a tyrannical dictator.
And I should probably stay quiet and get on with my life being bluffed, impoverished and butchered by the royal pancha mandali.
oops..wrong thread!
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| Padme |
Posted
on 14-Feb-03 04:41 PM
I guess we have not learned our lesson yet!
:-(
How long many people will have to die and how long will it take democracy for people to realize that we are responsible for our own actions.
You are against royal pancha mandali, I am against them too if they exist but whose mandali are you with? GPK, BRB or Madhav Nepal?
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| Shaiva |
Posted
on 17-Feb-03 11:13 PM
Can I be for Padme Mandali--a possibility only in a functioning democracy? If you decide not to get your feet dirty, what's wrong with choosing from GPK, BRB, BM, PS, and MKN? Get real--dictatorship is evil. Anything, just about anything, is better.
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| Padme |
Posted
on 18-Feb-03 03:10 AM
Surya ji,
You are funny :-)
On a serious note, what makes you think that I am advocating for dictatorship? Dictatorship is the thing of the past for Nepal, I like to believe that. I advocate for the active participation of the king not on daily matters but on policy matters. Shelving the king out of politics is a mistake Nepal cannot take, at least at the present context. I have not seen a Nepali that I can call a leader other than the king, at present. You do not have to agree to that but that is my opinion. Many in Nepal agree to that. People are tired of the whims of the GPK, BRB, MN etc. Until new generation comes forward with new leadership until then King is the only hope, I have. Who is responsible for the present crisis? How and why the maobadi problem started? Mind you, it started because they were minority in the house and could not do anything in the house. I am not saying it is right or wrong. I am saying that Nepal needs a power balance between the political parties managing the operations and the king be involved in policy matters. For example Board of Directors of a company versus the CEO of a company. The kings role should be like the chairman of the board, elected leaders role should be like CEO. Parties should not have power over the military. (I am sure you have read many article about spies from different countries actively working for them, some of them are leaders, paisa thulo dhekne manche lai kinna kati ber lagcha ra?) That is my vision for Nepal.
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| surya |
Posted
on 18-Feb-03 09:23 AM
Really! I am so relieved. I was afraid that my grouchy crochety self was becoming the norm here, at least someone thinks I am funny still!!:)
But I am wondering now if you thought Shaiva was me. It was Shaiva who said dictatorship is evil.
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| Padme |
Posted
on 18-Feb-03 11:03 PM
oops.
Mafi hai Shaiva ji ra Surya ji. Shaiva ji bhane ko Surya ji parecha. Rati rati ghumda bato bhule ko bahe ko yahai ho. Raat ko ak jati bajye ko thiyo hola. Maile rakshi khako pani theyana. Khai ke nho ke bho..
:-)
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| Shaiva |
Posted
on 25-Feb-03 01:32 AM
Rakshi bhanda thulo kuro taneko po ho ki mitra!
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| jhilke Kyailan |
Posted
on 25-Feb-03 06:50 AM
In my quest for simplicity I break down the question of whom to support into the the following....
I don't support GPK/MKN and the other "leaders", personally. They have proved over the course of the last twelve years that they are not fit to lead the country, examples abound. However, I support the system under which they function because their power can be curtailed and if need be eliminated through the ballot box. In democracies, ultimately, the views of the people will have to be taken into account and the peoples interest will be the nations interest. Today, we are far from having the base required for such and effective governing system, BUT, the process has started and overtime, as we Nepalis become more aware of our rights AND also more importantly, aware of our RESPONSIBILITIES, we will able to forge a system of govenment which rules FOR us, rather than, rules OVER us.
I support King G personally because in todays chaotic and volatile enviornment he seems to be the only one who has the vision, the charisma, the international exposure and the support amongst the masses to bring the country out of the darkness in which it finds itself. However, I cannot support the system under which he functions. Our Monarchy has its roots in feudal ideology and the the people who surround the King ARE feudals. They have very little regard for the rest of our society, their personal interests are the interests of the nation and we have no means of curtailing their power if the need arises and believe me it will. In addition, in todays world transparency in the decision making process is required where learned individuals of different political persuassions should be allowed to voice their opinions and influence the process. Power should not be centered in only one unaccountable force, that is a recipe for disaster...............I have heard some of these people who were benefitting from the previous regimes say openly that Nepal and Nepalis were not and are not ready for democratic government and it makes my blood boil..........Who is responsible for making us not ready, when will we be ready and who will prepare us??????? Is it not surprising that the individuals who had monopoly over power during the panchayat era are the ones who are shouting the most at the exxcess of the the present leaders.....They forget that in their time they KILLED people who objected to their excesses, and I think we all can agree that there were MANY excesses in their time.
So althought I condemn the leadership of GPK/MKN and the lot, i favour them in the long run becaûse of the system they represent, it is the only way for the future...
Althought I support the KIng at the present time, I cannot support the system that is the basis of his power because, in the long run, it is a regressive system which will do more harm to our nation than good.
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| Kale_Ko_Chartikala |
Posted
on 26-Feb-03 09:57 AM
This is the dilemma - the choice is between "chor" and "dakka" and nepali people must choose.
If nepali people have an option to choose and if they must choose one "bastard" among many "bastards", they may be better off choosing a "nepali bastard" who might just save the country for right now. If the country is saved FOR RIGHT NOW, that "bastard" could be dealt with later on.
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| Tick |
Posted
on 26-Feb-03 04:18 PM
Shaiva ji,
He bhagvan.. ke bhane ko kyasto. Dharo dharma kehai tyasto kura aaja samma mukh ma hale ko bhai surya narayan le sabai ko kalyan garun :-)
It was a moment carried away..
KKC jyu,
Let us use civilized language rather than calling names. It is easy to call names and persuade others to do the same, and then the conversation looses its essence. In a democratic society the principle of not guilty until proven (on the contrary in Nepal “you are guilty of the crime” based on feelings and/or one sided/biased info), we need to remember and respect the democratic values for a fruitful conversation. Let us move on…
JK jyu,
It seems that we agree on many issues. However there are few differences and I respect those differences and opinions.
Let me make it clear I am advocating for a democratic society with an active role of the king.
Democracy is not just about principles, it is about people. When people (leaders) become secondary and party and principle becomes primary, this leads to the downfall of the country. We have seen that already.
I believe in election but I also strongly believe that the leaders like GPK/MN will only lead to the downfall of the country. Let us get new leaders, than we can really talk about how the leaders should be empowered.
There also needs to be a check and balance system for a society to be successful. Elected leaders should govern the country, leaders like the king should dictate in policy and defense matters.
I have lot of respect for the present king. I hope there will be no name-calling and finger pointing and discuss differences in a civilized manner.
Been busy lately and lost touch with Sajha. Got to go..
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| Jhilke Kyailan |
Posted
on 27-Feb-03 06:42 AM
Tick ji, I too respect your opinions although I may not agree with them...for me that is the principle that takes precedence and, individually , you and I and our views are secondary.
Please clarify by what you mean by "an active role for the king"?
Do you forsee him being above or under the constituion? Who are his policy advisors, will anyone (except him) have any say in who they are? To whom is he accountable....and if he is not accountable to any one then, why should you be, why should I be, why should anyone be????What SPECIAL right does he have and not us and WHY????
I believe democracy is about principles first.....The principles...of rights and responsilities, of freedom of expression, of freedom to dissent, of freedom from opression are the basic tenents of any democratic society......When individual players become the focus there are too many avenues for corruption (of institutions and invidividuals) NO one man can resist the corrpting influence of power......Every where in the world where individual (political) aspirations have taken a back seat to the principles outlined above has prospered, everywhere it hasn't and the focus of politics becomes certain individuals has crumbled and resembled failed states........An individual is too easily seduced by power, principles can never be...therefore we have to develop an attitude where the principles are the primary guide to policy formation and moral and ethical conduct and not individual whims.
You talk about a check and balance requirement but fail to elaborate who or what will "check and ballance" the power of the throne, where the king has an active role. If the King so desires than, by all means he should be active in the politics....but let him be accountable to the people...answerable to the constitution...let him not think it is god given right....Because it is not....the days when the masses had no education and could not demand excellence of him is gone...HE MUST BE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE SOVERGNITY OF THE PEOPLE. What think you on these points????
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| kale_ko_chartikala |
Posted
on 27-Feb-03 10:47 AM
Dear Tick ji:
I don’t think I was calling names. My apologies to you if I sounded like one.
In my 2 cents opinions that any government, which resorts to perverse legal subterfuge to take control, and then abandons the basic democratic principles, which is the base of political legitimacy, it is illegitimate, and thus I called it a bastard administration. And the other bastards I am talking about are those political trashes that have driven our country to these gloomy days.
And how distressing it is! No matter which direction you look, you are looking at oen of those political thrashes. Now Nepali people are stuck with one of them… no matter what. Alas! Our sati le sarapeko desh.
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