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| ashu |
Posted
on 06-Jun-01 06:21 AM
What follows will come as "crap" and worse to some.
That's all right. Emotions do run very high at
times like this.
For others, however, this may be the CLOSEST to the
truth of what happened at Narayan Hiti Palace last
Friday.
This is from an ADC at the Royal Palace.
Hard to believe and terrible, terrible this
whole thing is, emotional hijacking (or 'shaigonging')
is irrational and destructive.
May Kings Birendra's and Dipendra's souls in rest.
Shocking though this saga is, to borrow words
of writer R K Narayan from another context:
"Nepal will go on."
oohi
ashu
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>Subject: [...]
>Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 11:24:03 +0530
>
>>since [...] was there at pashupati immediatly after the king was
cremated
>>for the cremation of his [...], santi singh, i am also forwarding
the
>>mail to [...] and to assure you that nothing what your friend
mentioned
>>happened:
*********
>Dear [...],
>Dear [...],
>
>The truth about Friday night.
>
>Till 6p.m. Dipendra was in the games complex at Satdobato and was
acting
>normally.
>Till 7 p.m. Dipendra played billiards in the royal palace and took 1
peg
>of whisky after which he pretended or because of some drug
introduced in
>his drink he acted very drunk after which he was put in bed by
Paras,
>Nirajan and Rajiv (Dhirendra's soninlaw).
>
>Then the royal family stated having dinner. After 1 hour Dipendra
dressed
>in combat fatigues and carrying MP5 and M16 and a pistol tucked away
came
>into the room. He first shot the King above his heart and most of
the
>royal who tried to save the King got it.
>
>The Queen and Nirajan ran away outside but Dipendra chased them and
then
>shot the Queen and after Nirajan also tried to save the Queen he got
it
>full blast.
>
>Then Dipendra came inside and emptied his magazine randomly. Since
>Paras,Rajiv and a man called Mahesh was sitting in a corner and
didn't try
>to save the King and the bullets had finished they were saved. At
last
>Dipendra then drew his pistol and without killing any one with this,
blew
>his head off.
>
>After Birendra, Ashwariya, Nirajan and Jayanti were cremated. Shanti
>Singh, Sharda Shah, Shruti and Kumar Khagda were cremated.
>
>Kumar Khadga's mother also got a heart attack on Saturday and died.
>
>Dhirendra died yesterday.
>
>Gorakh got his thumb blown off and this bullet struck his mouth.
Another
>bullet struck above his heart. When extracting this bullet a piece
of the
>gold locket was also extracted so the locket probably save his life.
>
>The CNN and the BBC news are very accurate, no need to be gossip
mongers
>and circulate wild rumors.
>
>Lets all be optimists and hope Gyanendra has got his fill of riches
and
>now wont be so corrupt and turn his mind to the betterment of this
country.
>
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| whoever |
Posted
on 06-Jun-01 09:24 AM
Ashu,
So, whose ADC is this individual who knows the details of the events? Was he in the dining room while it happened? Did he then follow Dipendra to see what happened outside the room? If he was inside the room, why didn't he try to save any of the royal family members? He was an ADC, right? Or, is it because he was Dipendra's ADC and therefore felt no loyalty towards others? What about other ADCs? Where were they? Especially when Dipendra ran outside the room after the Queen and Nirajan. They must have heard the gunshots and they possibly couldn't have been that far?
Also, aren't ADCs sworn not to make public what happens inside the palace? So, what is his motive for volunteering this information and making it public? Especially in a case as delicate as this.
Lastly, how certain are you that the source of this story is an ADC? Could it be someone else describing him/her self as an ADC?
This is not to say I believe or don't believe what has been described, but are just logical questions that one might (I would) ask.
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| concerned nepali |
Posted
on 06-Jun-01 09:52 AM
The questions raised by "whoever" are very legimate.
As far as I know, the pincipal job of ADC is to protect. If the said ADC who saw all the incidence yet made no attempt to save anyone, did not fulfill his duties yet mutely observing all the happenings or may be an agent of conspirators. (The latter is just precarious assumption).
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| nepali |
Posted
on 06-Jun-01 09:56 AM
Usually the ADC respect the king and CP beyond our imagination.
Nowhere I could see any mentioning of "SARKAR".
BUT in that particular email content, he is talking about the royals as if they are his friends.
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| Nepali |
Posted
on 06-Jun-01 10:24 AM
Who shot Shruti and Dhirendra? Why should he mention sarkar when he is talking to his friend? I dislike all those crappy language. hajur , jal. All crap.
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| NEPALI |
Posted
on 06-Jun-01 10:37 AM
HI ANOTHER NEPALI,
SO YOU THINK, THE LANGUAGE THEY USE ARE CRAPPY! MAY BE!
PROBABLY YOU DON'T KNOW THE GUYS IN THE ARMY. THEY ALL THE TIME USE THOSE WORDS TO ADDRESS THE ROYALS.
THE EMAIL SHOWED NO RESPECT TO THE ROYALS, AT LEAST IN LANGUAGE.
BUT, HIS EXPLANATION MATCHES WITH ONE THAT IN THE BBC NEWS, WHICH QUOTES ONE OF THE ANONIMOUS RELATIVE.
HE COULD BE A GOOD EYE WITNESS, WHO APPARENTLY MADE NO ATTEPMT TO SAVE ANYONE.
NEPALI
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| Nepali |
Posted
on 06-Jun-01 12:10 PM
Mr Nepali,
Why should ADC mention srakara and what not to those royals when he is telling his friend that night's incident. Asking why ADC didn't mention sarkar is nuance to me! You have to earn respect. You cannot ask for respect. Maybe ADC didn't respect our royal family. He may have been ADC for the money and attention.
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| whoever |
Posted
on 06-Jun-01 12:42 PM
Dear nepali,
The point about this supposed ADC not addressing Dipendra and any other members of the Royal family as "sarkar" is a valid one in my opinion. Whether we agree or diagree with such tradition/protocol/habit (whatever you want to call it), is a different matter. Without revealing who I am, I could tell you that I knew one of Dipendra's ADCs personally and he would never, in his wildest dreams, utter any of the royal family members' names without following it by "sarkar".
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| Hari |
Posted
on 06-Jun-01 01:00 PM
This all sounds very incredible. I have no problems in believing that Dipendra did it, but, come on, a golden locket saving Gorakh's life. Yeah, whatever. Like this ADC knew exactly what Gorakh was wearing inside his clothes to make a statement like his locket saved his life. To me, very incredible.
Also, the statements about Aishwarya and Shruti running outside, I sure hope that there's someone to corroborate that their bodies were indeed picked up from the hallway and not the room.
Again, whoever Ashu's sources are, to me, still incredible.
Hari
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| Nepali |
Posted
on 06-Jun-01 05:08 PM
It tells me whoever that even though you knew ADC personally, he didn't trust you enough to call Dipendra Dipendra. Instead he went on saying 'sarkar Dipendra.
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| Ktm |
Posted
on 07-Jun-01 02:27 AM
All the security personnels especially the ADCs should be court marshalled as they have failed to fulfill their duties. I guess it ain't that easy to be an ADC, huh? So why struggle to be one, a very good lesson indeed!!!!
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| ashu |
Posted
on 07-Jun-01 02:55 AM
Dear all,
It's perfectly all right to take
ALL of the the above with a grain of
salt.
As in ALL complicated matters in life, there are no CLEAR-CUT
answers, and as such, there can only be VERSIONS of the truth, howsoever defined.
Sadly, I have too often seen us Nepalis rushing to make
judgments about other people and events and ideas on the
sole basis of the version they wanted to believe.
oohi
ashu
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| Trailokya Aryal |
Posted
on 07-Jun-01 01:22 PM
>Dear all,
>
>It's perfectly all right to take
>ALL of the the above with a grain of
>salt.
>
>As in ALL complicated matters in life, there
>are no CLEAR-CUT
>answers, and as such, there can only be
>VERSIONS of the truth, howsoever defined.
>
>Sadly, I have too often seen us Nepalis
>rushing to make
>judgments about other people and events and
>ideas on the
>sole basis of the version they wanted to
>believe.
>
>oohi
>ashu
I have a few questions regarding the first hand account of the ADC.
First of all, as others have already pointed out, I dion't think the language he used was right. This makes me question whether he really was the late Crown Prince's ADC or he is someone pretending to be one? if he really is the ADC,
then what is his name? Why not ashu dai or whoever that ADC is, come up and tell the truth using his OWN name in a DEMOCRATIC TRANSPARENT manner? And, what was he doing there? were his hands tied? why didn't he go save the people that he was supposed to? Shouldn't this guy be court-martialed right away for failing to perform his duties? And why should we believe his version of the story? If we are supposed to believe his story, then I can come up with my version of story and say, hey, this is what I had in dream last night... the royals were murdered by..... and this really happened...
So, I say the whole email sent to the group was nothing but a figment of someone's wild imagination. I DON"T BELIEVE IT and MOST OF US DON"T BELIEVE IT. Lastly, ashu dai, posting such unverified emails in this newsgroup or anywhere else, will only result in the loss of credibility.
against all imagined-facts,
Trailokya Raj Aryal
Claremont, CA-91711
909-607-4001
PS-No hard feelings and I sincerely hope that neither ashu dai nor the ADC(???) willm hold grudges against me for expressing my views in a DEMOCRATIC and TRANSAPRENT manner. And BTW, I learned those two words from Ashu dai.
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| sally |
Posted
on 07-Jun-01 03:25 PM
I appreciate Ashu's posting of the alleged ADC's account. Hopefully everyone here is mature enough, and knows enough about web site use, to realize it could be a total crock. But it's a piece of information, and that's what the internet is for. The alleged ADC's account more or less matches not only the official reports but the reports that some of us (maybe many of us) have been getting unofficially. It could be spin. Or it could be truth. We can't know. Take it or leave it, like the poisoned water and Paras in a Dipendra mask.
Sadly, even if EVERYTHING the ADC, Rajiv Shahi, etc, have said turns out to be true, it does not prove a thing--except that Dipendra was the trigger man. There will continue to be endless theories.
For instance, let's imagine our unknown ADC friend is telling the absolute truth. It's still just a matter of WHAT HE SAW. It sheds no light whatsoever on what went on behind the scenes. Just for the sake of argument, here are a few scenarios. First, the whole thing could have started as a coup attempt by Dipendra and Paras that went badly wrong as a drunken Dipendra went postal. Second, Paras could have put the idea in Dipendra's head--badmouthing Birendra, saying there should be a coup, whatever--and that set the stage.
Add your own pet theories. There are many around.
Nothing the witnesses say--or even COULD say--would be likely to prove or disprove anything whatsoever about those possibilities. I think a serious mistake was made in not calling in foreign observers, forensic experts, allowing an autopsy, and so on. But what's done is done. And frankly, even a video camera in the palace wouldn't prove or disprove a conspiracy. But let's hope the inquiry is as reliable as it can be, under the circumstances.
We can speculate forever, and probably will. I guess it's all part of the grieving process: not just grieving for the royal family (which few of us knew personally anyway), but for the destruction of the Nepal we have known. There has been a death in ALL our lives. We may love it, hate it, or have very complicated feelings about it, but the Nepal we've known is no more, and we're struggling to come to grips with the uncertainty of what lies ahead.
Ultimately what lies ahead is the most important thing. In the meantime, it's essential to get information. Even that Dipendra-in-the-mask thing was useful in its own bizarre way, as far as revealing how people are thinking these days. I'm sure we'll all process what we hear and read according to our own inclinations.
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| Bill |
Posted
on 07-Jun-01 06:35 PM
The ADC's don't even know their abc's. Where were they during the 2 1/2 minute shootings. Now they are stepping forward with "eyewitness" accounts of the events. We dont need a king and we dont need ADCs. Let them sit in the rain.
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| ashu |
Posted
on 07-Jun-01 11:29 PM
Trailokya wrote:
>So, I say the whole email sent to the group
>was nothing but a figment of someone's wild
>imagination. I DON"T BELIEVE IT and MOST OF
>US DON"T BELIEVE IT.
Hi Trai,
It's perfectly all right if some of these
postings appear to be hogwash.
The point is to: Share information, and let
people make up their own mind. Having some
information is better than having none.
Still, some of things I wrote/posted earlier:
such as the L-shaped room, Dipendra's doing
it all, ADCs being locked up in another room
seem to be verified by some of the
eye-witnesses who have come forward.
>Lastly, ashu dai,
>posting such unverified emails in this
>newsgroup or anywhere else, will only result
>in the loss of credibility.
On the contrary, Trai, the Web is such a transparent
and democratic medium that if I make mistakes, it
makes it much easier to CORRECT those mistakes.
I am not so ego-driven to imagine that ONLY I
have access to the truth and all that nonsense.
As in that movie Rashoman, can be there be
MANY versions of the truth.
It's just that I have reasons to believe that
the emails I received originated from a source
I would cite, but if others find it hard to believe
the contents of some those emails, then, that's fine
too.
Thanks.
oohi
ashu
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| Puskar |
Posted
on 10-Jun-01 01:11 AM
Let people speculate on this subject. Among so many other bina kaam ko tauko dhukhney subjects, Nepalese have found one more profound subject to ponder about. You all in this discussion board seem to be well educated and rational Nepalese. When we discuss these things, let's not criticize people, but criticize ideas and opinion.
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