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| Biruwa | Posted
on 08-Mar-03 03:34 PM
Do today's Hindu lower castes convert to Islam when there is no more violent coercion? More likely, the untouchables were the most vulnerable, the least apt to defend themselves; they had neither the faith of the brahmins, nor the riches of the vaishiyas, nor the military skill of the kshatriyas. |
| Biruwa | Posted
on 08-Mar-03 03:36 PM
The conquest of Afghanistan in the year 1000, was followed by the annihilation of the entire Hindu population there; indeed, the region is still called Hindu Kush, 'Hindu slaughter'. |
| Biruwa | Posted
on 08-Mar-03 03:40 PM
Some people (haters of hindu religion) argue that hinduism lead to poverty, and the low castes are ill-treated. Oh sure! so Afganistan is better today than 2000 years ago? After killing and murdering those who didn't think like them. Who had their own cultures. |
| bhedo | Posted
on 08-Mar-03 03:48 PM
Well, Afghanistan, back then, was predominantly Buddhist and zoroastrian. Afghans are mostly of Persian origin, not North Indian. Even their language is indo-iranian. There were some Hindus there, no doubt about it, else this site wouldn't have existed. http://www.afghanhindu.info/ In fact, some people are of the belief that Kaundinya was a zoroastrian priest, and not a hindu. Afghanistan's current situation can be attributed to war and more war.In any case, Muslims aren't united themselves. |
| bhedo | Posted
on 08-Mar-03 03:58 PM
Afghan Hindus praying in a temple in Kabul  Original caption: A group of Hindu children pray in a temple in the Afghan capital Kabul in the evening of May 23, 2001. Many Hindus and Sikhs in Afghanistan expressed anger on Wednesday at a decree from the ruling Taliban ordering non-Muslims to wear a yellow badge so they can be identified. REUTERS/Sayed Salahuddin |
| bhedo | Posted
on 08-Mar-03 04:02 PM
correction, I think that would be Chanakya, not kaundinya. Kaundinya is my gotra. Sorry. |
| Biruwa | Posted
on 08-Mar-03 05:37 PM
Hi Bhedo, I think above you said that Chanakya was from Afganistan. Infact Chanakya was from pataliputra (present day-patna) which is a northern Indian city. Yes there are still some smattering of devout Hindus in Afganistan. The cruel muslim barbarians were unable to waver them from their formidable belief in their own religion (as opposed to a foreign religion system) Under Taliban and even now criminal activities are enacted upon them by the islamists. These atrocities have been continuing for thousands of years. Isn't it amazing that these Hindus continue to uphold their faith inspite of little support of other hindus (from other parts of globe) while Islamists and christans are hell-bent on trying to convert them. Simply amazing!!! |
| bhedo | Posted
on 08-Mar-03 06:22 PM
Hmm, yeah, you are correct, although he received his education in Taxila, he was from Pataliputra. Anyway, I found extracts from a book that claims that Pataliputra was an Iranian city. http://www.iranian.com/History/2002/September/India/ The book is titled "The Zoroastrian Period of Indian History". And here's a passage that you might want to read "The case of Chanakya is more interesting. He too, appears on our horizon in Taxila, where, I am told, he is found practising medicine, when the curtain lifts. For a Brahmin of his [status] in India these are suspicious curcumstances. Medicine, although (let us note) particularly associated with the Magians, has never found much honour in the East, and Brahmins in the far north-west are notoriously unorthodox in general ..." Asokan pillars look very much like pillars found in site of ancient Persepolis. In Persepolis though, they're not free standing. I once had a conversation with a Pashtun. His first question when we met was, "Are you muslim?" I said no. Then he starts going on a rant about how Pashtuns enslaved us, raped us, used us, etc, etc. What could I do? I just listened patiently till he got tired. There were many more Hindus in Afghanistan/Pakistan, but they have mostly either emmigrated to India or some other Western nation, or have converted.. Nuristanis also had to face a similar situation(they were pagans), but most, or perhaps all are muslims now . You are absolutely right, it's amazing that Hindus from Afghanistan refused to convert to Islam.We should be pretty proud of not giving in to foreign forces that easily. Ancient religions of Greeks, Romans, Persians, Norse don't exist anymore. |
| Prem Charo | Posted
on 09-Mar-03 02:53 AM
Biruwa the Plant !! and friends, CONVERSION? FOR WHAT GAIN? I have seen people changed their religion for their personal benifit. I am from remote Nepal. One of my friend got scholorship in the US converting his religion. Here his parents are saying "mero eutai choro thyio aba tyo mare barabar vayo. Jasle aafno bau aama ko dharma nai chodera, aru ko pachi laagera jancha tyasko ta aba hami mukh pani herdai nau. Dhikkar cha yasto chora lai !! Satru ko kokh bata pani yasto chora na janmiyos. Tyasle padcha afnai swasni paalcha hami lai tyasko paisa pani chaindai na. Haamro sampatti yahi gaaunko thule sarki lai dinchu baru dharma ta laagcha !! Tyasto kapoot kina janmaauna pugechu. Hey vagawaan, aba budhes kaal maa haamilai kasle hercha" Vandai rundai thiye. When he went to his parents after two years, he tried to convince his parents to change religion. Now you can imagine what happened !! Friends, I would like to ask you if my friend is right or his parents? Too Bad Too Sad Prem Charo :) |
| isolated freak | Posted
on 09-Mar-03 09:31 AM
Chankaya was from Magadh, who attended the Nalanda University (in /around today’s Patna). He was a citizen of Magadh but not from patliputra (today’s patna).Note: patliputra was the capital of magadh rajya. Chanakya taught at the Nalanda University for some time, before planning a covert operation to oust the nanda dynasty to crown Chanda Gupta Maurya (Asoka’s Grandfather) the King of magadha. Chankaya’s treatise on statecraft, arthashastra, is so far the most realist treatise on statecraft ever written. Its amazing that after 1500 years of the writing of arthasastra, Machiavelli in Italy wrote a treatise, The Prince, quite similar to Chanakya’s Arthashastra. I wouldn’t want to go into details but they both are: (1)iconoclast (2)realist (3)concerned with getting results (4)Cruel |
| Biruwa | Posted
on 09-Mar-03 10:10 AM
Participants of this discussion thread, Thank you for engaging in constructive discussion. It is indeed through discussion, rememberance, meditation, thought and contemplation that we can improve our inner material core and stop the cycle of our rebirth. I checked the link bhedo provided me. When I read that Buddha was born in Iran I read no further. You know there are thousands of devious people out there who have been paid or who have been promised a heaven with thousand virgins after death. They try to distort, contort and sideline historic issues with the sole purpose of marginalizing the Hindu Dharma. Try not to read to much from them. For those cheats will brain wash even an intelligent guy. As you know a lie repeated a thousand times starts appearing as the truth. They try to obscure the facts and the truth in search of small gaps in our faith. Then they convert you. After that you can only mourn the day you converted. For your spirit will be dimmer, your inner-self all but destroyed. |
| ? | Posted
on 10-Mar-03 10:55 PM
Just a slight note. Panini was from Kabul. If you dont know Panini, then he was the guy who formulated the classical sanskrit grammar. |
| bhedo | Posted
on 11-Mar-03 04:28 PM
I think Panini was from Peshawar. Kabul and Peshawar were both parts of ancient Gandhara anyways. As for Chanakya, looks like nobody knows for certain where he was from. "Chanakya lived during the period 350-275 BC. Details of his birth and life are hazy, and we have to rely on tradition. His works have been faithfully preserved through word of mouth for well over two thousand years. His place of birth has to be ascertained from other sources, namely the Buddhist and Jain scriptures. The mahavamsa tika (buddhist) mentions his birth place as taxila, while jain scriptures like adbidhana chintamani mention his birth place as South India, around present day kerala. Probably the latter is appropriate when we consider the frequent mention of the tuft of hair, which is a mark of present day nambudhiri. However, Chanakya's birth place will continue to remain a controversy" http://www.geocities.com/Athens/8107/chanakya.html Buddha was of Iranian origin. In fact, he was called Shakya muni. Shakya is a scythian clan. And scythians spoke an indo-iranian language. I have in fact read articles which claim Buddha had blue eyes! Look, fact is many people from South Asia are of Iranian origin. South Asia=intermingling of Iranian and ancient dravidian. FACT!!! Sorry, but I don't believe in indocentric BS. |
| Prem Charo | Posted
on 15-Mar-03 02:04 AM
CONVERSION? FOR WHAT GAIN? Vanne subject re !! lekhne belaama chai subject ko kura nai chaina ?? Biruwa, Mack, Bhedo, Isoleted Freak and all, CONVERSION? FOR WHAT GAIN? Can we discuss some issues related this topic?? Some gangsta trying to advertise their product (religi..) !! Hindu Charo = Prem Charo |
| Biruwa | Posted
on 15-Mar-03 09:04 AM
prem + charo = prem Charo ji, Interesting that you should raise this issue. Why don't you come up with some ideas regarding conversion and what gain the individual person and people around him (such as his family) obtain by such a conversion. As has recently been discussed at sajha recently one of the prominent gains that people converting into christianism gain is immediate scholarship money and in some instances chance to come to USA. Besides such incentives there could be more to be gained or lost. Hinduism is such a rich belief that a whole life time is short for its full understanding. |