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| Prem Charo | Posted
on 11-Mar-03 03:05 AM
Friends, Robertfrost, Jira, Dhumbass, Prempujari, Ashu, Najar, Mack, Sajan, Rajunpl, Biruwa, Oys, Chipledhunja, nell, bishwa, Rusty, sitara, krishna, Paschim, Deep, ??(Prashna Chinha), Vivid, Dr.No, Dwi, Trikal, Vision, Dilasha, Gurl_inturrapted, Isoleted Freek, Bhedo, Koko, Nepali Kanchi, Starry night, Bickey Rimal, Surya, Gorato, Khimberly, Madmax, yatri, Junu, Danggg, NK, Missgrg, Poonte, Desh vakta Bhattari, Suva Chintak, Czar, James bonds, Puru Subedi, Logical Sense, Yatri and all. One of my friend got scholorship in the US converting his religion. Here his parents are saying "mero eutai choro thyio aba tyo mare barabar vayo. Jasle aafno bau aama ko dharma nai chodera, aru ko pachi laagera jancha tyasko ta aba hami mukh pani herdai nau. Dhikkar cha yasto chora lai !! Satru ko kokh bata pani yasto chora na janmiyos. Tyasle padcha afnai swasni paalcha hami lai tyasko paisa pani chaindai na. Haamro sampatti yahi gaaunko thule sarki lai dinchu baru dharma ta laagcha !! Tyasto kapoot kina janmaauna pugechu. Hey vagawaan, aba budhes kaal maa haamilai kasle hercha" Vandai rundai thiye. . When he went to his parents after two years, he tried to convince his parents to change religion. Now you can imagine what happened !! I am thinking to go to Nepal this summer. If his parent's asked me whether it is right or wrong, What should I say?? Please suggest me !! Prem Charo :) |
| Toilet Paper | Posted
on 11-Mar-03 08:53 AM
Conversion to any religion is upto one's right and willingness. I cannot imagine being a parent who hates his children because of religious conversion. You can convince them to accept their son for what he is, not for his religion. A religious conversion necessarily doesn't bring negativity in the moral values of a person. Sometimes it can be really good. So as long as a person has a good moral values, religion doesn't really matter. My experience with religion is, I don't follow any. I have values, and from what my parents have taught me and what I have learnt in my life so far, I have a good conscience. So just because I don't have a religion doesn't make me a bad person. Likewise, just because someone converts to a different religion doesn't make his/her bad. And about the guy trying to convert his parents, the parents should make it clear to him that they are not going to convert in anyway if they don't want to to stop the further nagging. |
| rajunpl | Posted
on 11-Mar-03 09:30 AM
Oh ! prem charo dilema ma ho ki kya.Kehi farak pardaina kura garna agadi alikati boooze paridinu ani .Hunchha bahadur ko katha sunai dinu. Janu bhanda agadi TRIKAAL sanga haat heraunu.Ani isolated freak sanga mantra siknu JAI SHAMBHOOOOOOOOOOO BHOLE BA |
| rajunpl | Posted
on 11-Mar-03 09:31 AM
AJHA PANI NAPUGE MA rf ko kabita sunai dinu |
| rajunpl | Posted
on 11-Mar-03 09:32 AM
aja pani napuge ma prem pujari lai prem ko puja garna bhani dinu |
| rajunpl | Posted
on 11-Mar-03 09:33 AM
ajha pani napge ma dilasa ko ash nai ash ma dubnu |
| rajunpl | Posted
on 11-Mar-03 09:34 AM
Ajha pani napge ma dhumbass ko bass dekhaunu |
| rajunpl | Posted
on 11-Mar-03 09:36 AM
Ajha pani napge ma yatri lai khabar diyera vietnam ma bibaha ko tayari garnu |
| URBASHI | Posted
on 12-Mar-03 12:52 AM
PremCharoJyu, In today's world Hindu religion may be accused of being a purely unorganized religion, but it's getting better daily. Its temples and active organizations surround the world. Whatever its faults, it has kept the fires of sadhana and renunciation, of unabashed spiritual life and yoga disciplines, alive. No other faith has done that to the same extent. Hinduism's nearly three million swamis, gurus and sadhus work tirelessly within and upon themselves and then, when ready, serve others, leading them from darkness into light, from death to immortality. If one Hindu can not understand the fundamentals of own religion. It doesen't matter which religion he adopts, he always feels emptyness inside of him. Hope your friend's parents are OK. How old are they ? may be they can have another child. God bless them. |
| sashanka | Posted
on 12-Mar-03 09:12 AM
Prem Charo!! yeuta kura chahi ke clear hunuparch bhane, tapaiko sathi yeuta adult, swotantra, manushya ho. He is as capable of knowing the difference between right and wrong. I hope he is not one of those susthamanasthti wala. Now being a human and being an adult, if he chose to become a Christian, or a Muslim or whatever, that is his prerogative, his business, his life, his decision. He utilized his liberty to choose what he thought was the best for him, in his life and he carried on. If that was the case then, I have nothing to say, but to wish him good luck in his quest of spiritual knowledge together with his new found peace of mind if that is what he was after. But the underlying concern here should be how, morally and ethically, is it right to force or allure someone into conversion - be it by trick or deceit. Having said that, you would want to know if he converted clearly knowing the repercussions of his actions? No one but he will be able to answer that, and, since he made the decision to convert, he will be the one who will either enjoy the ripe fruits thereof or suffer. Also those moments of happiness or sorrows that abound by him are his to enjoy or regret, and only his. I have nothing to say there either but Live and let Live. If the infamous missionaries and their equally infamous tricks lie on the bottom of this pile of fuss, then we can discuss any further; for we know how missionaries are roaming around in the remote villages of Nepal, in the name of health- posts and hospitals and schools and all that one can think of, and converting people left and right in the name of astounding affluence and unparallel living standards. So the question to ask, I humbly believe, would be - was he a victim of all the tricks of the missionaries? If so what did they promise him before converting him into a Christian? But again, if there was no mischief involved, i have nothing to say. But, per your posting , you are merely asking for some suggestions as to what should be told or said when you visit his parents, and, not wanting to digress from your question, here is my suggestion, which is totally based on the idea of me fitting in your shoes, which might not. But , this is what I would do: First of all, I‘d try to make them comfortable by admiring them for their strength derived out of total devotion to their faith. Then I would try to help them understand what their son did was his choice as an adult. He had every right to. I would suggest, since their son seems to be happy, therefore to treat him as their son, as he will always remain their son. But if they have resentments to his conversion, I would tell them to do what they think is appropriate. Again that is their decision, not mine. BUT, if he comes around and tries to convert them saying this will be better and that will be better, then again that is their decision to take time and think, if that is really what they want to do. No, if that is not what they think is right for them, then I would suggest they KICK HIS ASS so hard that he lands in the fire-place (AGENA). Bottomline, kasaile swecha le dharma paribartan garna chhancha bhane, we should allow that to happen. Tara kasailai tarsayera, dhamkyayera, lobhyaera, phakayea phulayera dharma paribartan garanu chai thik hoina , baru APARADH ho, APARADH JAHILE PANI DANDANIYA HUNCHA. And at the end I would recite this below and take a leave: “SWODHARME NIDHANAM SHREYA: PARADHARMO BHAYABAHA:” JAYA SHAMBHO... Urbashi!! Kasto ramro lekheko. Manche pani Urbashi jastai Chwaaak ho? hamile pani chinna huncha ki …hehehe :) |
| rajunpl | Posted
on 13-Mar-03 04:09 AM
Aahaa!!! kya ramra kura sikiyo. Hera ta PC (per compurt hoina prem charo).Thanks to urbashi and the sashanka (meaning ta maile bujhina ni..??) |
| Soleil | Posted
on 13-Mar-03 06:50 AM
Khoi baa Prem Charo ji.. aafu ta pwaankh nai nabhako charo pariyo.. Religious conversion right ki wrong thaha bhayena....tara euto kuro bhane thaha chha.. Bhainsi lai khola ma lagera jatti nai nuhaye pani Gaii banauna sakinna... hehehe |
| rajunpl | Posted
on 13-Mar-03 08:53 AM
he he he tmi pani kam ta na rahichhau baaaa la aba mero sano euta kabita suna ani tyo keta lai yo liyera babu ammaa thim jana bhannu la.. MOMMA,I finally lost my religion when I listen to her innocent vision MOMMA,I lost one heart in hawaii and another in the feet of thy MOMMA,please don't curve my mission otherwise i would end up in prison MOMMA,I surely understand thy institution otherwise,i wouldn't follow the exploration MOMMA,I insist my position please momma,don't go for the further reason chitta bughena bhane bhannu feri arko deula ( yo mula rajunpl le kati hawa taal ma kabita lekhchha yaar) |
| dangggg | Posted
on 13-Mar-03 11:51 AM
On your face, montau!!! |
| Trikal | Posted
on 13-Mar-03 12:57 PM
All religions are only the path to heaven or God ........... It doesen't matter which religion you are in ..... Just need ....faith, dedication and devotion ......... ....... If somebody has these three things that person don't need to change the religion. I think the guy who converted the religion .... what is his perseption about.... family values, social and cultural norms, meaning of "religion"....etc... If he tells his (converted) religion is better then Hindu religion .........Stupid and nonsense!!!!!!!!!! Trikal...... |
| dangggg | Posted
on 13-Mar-03 08:06 PM
Prem Charo ji! Have no fear, dangggg is here. I think I got a solution for you. Charo ji! when your friend's parents ask you about their son, you can sing this song to reply them. ahem! ahem!! aaahhhhh.. Aamaile bhanli ni, khoi chora bhani Dharmai falecha bhandinu, Baabaile sodhlan ni, khoi chora bhanlan kuputai bhayecha bhandinu Didi le sodhlin ni, khoi bhai bhanlin kuirini lyayecha bhandinu Bhaile sodhla ni khoi dai bhani (wait a min! he was the only son, wasn't he?) feri, Aamaile sodhlin ni, khoi chora bhani Gai khana gayecha bhandinu Babu le sodhlan ni, "aba hamilai kasle daag batti dincha?" bhani "Thule sarki lai chora banau," bhandinu I think that gotta do it aba, after you return to US, your friend might ask your about his parents. I got a reply for him too. Chora le sodhla ni "how are my parents.... with his grace?" bhani "On your face" bhandinu goodluck, dangggg |
| Soleil | Posted
on 13-Mar-03 08:14 PM
Tehi ta Trikaaaaaaaaal baje. Bhainsi lai Vishnumati ma lagera chopalera Gayi banyo bhanthanchhan. Tetti matra ho ra bhanya? Vishnumati pani Tukucha bhanda pravitra bhayeko daabi garchhan ra po.. JHANNAKKKKKKKKKA kya? hehehehehe With no offense to any particular creed, one doesn't need to be converted to be a Hindu, unlike others. Any other religious beliefs requires one to be baptized or be converted. The "Knowledge" of the Hindus (don't wanna call it an ism cause it is not, nor it is a religion), encompasses all the wisdoms, all the philosophies, all the sciences of the world. Only the perceptions and the perspectives are different. The question of conversion being right or wrong should not be arised in the first place. Any decision to lead a path of righteousness something he/she believes in is a right one. We simply cannot label it wrong just because we think or see it differently or we do not agree with it. Said so, I strongly denounce to the notion that one's converted new found doctrine is better than Hindu Knowledge. OM SHANTI |
| isolated freak | Posted
on 13-Mar-03 10:54 PM
manche ko choiice ho.. jallai j paan parcha tyahi thik cha.. anta skaran nbbatai arko dharma bata pravabit bhayera pariwartan garya ho bhane thikai cha.. hoina, xyanik sukha ra moj ko lagi ho bahne chahi tyo thik chaina.. |
| MainBatti | Posted
on 14-Mar-03 01:31 AM
As Montou would say, "I will pray for that person. God will solve the problem." As for me, God le time and again pant kholera dekhaaidisakyo. MainBatti March 14, 2003 |
| Prem Charo | Posted
on 14-Mar-03 01:42 AM
Sashanksajyu, Good suggestion !! but not to the point though !! What do you think If somebody converts the relision ? Is it good ? etc. I would like to hear more from you. Thanks. RajuNplji, What a wonderful kabita. Aru pani jaawos. Dyannnngjeeee, What a writing !! I like it very much. If I would know to play saarangi, I could sing your song to them. He he :) You are my favorite kavi from now on. Seems funny but it give the deep sense. Soleilji, You got the point, "Bhainsi lai Vishnumati ma lagera chopalera Gayi banyo bhanthanchhan. Tetti matra ho ra bhanya? Vishnumati pani Tukucha bhanda pravitra bhayeko daabi garchhan ra po.." ha ha ha ha --------- ------------ ------------- I want to bring couple of point here about christian religion: They Pray to the dead person. I think God should be etarnal. God never dies. If Jesus is "son of God" than who is god ? Who do you visualise as simbole of God ? etc.... Let me enlightment please !! Hindu Charo = Prem Charo :) |
| Montou | Posted
on 14-Mar-03 02:24 AM
Hey Prem charo bro, dangggg bro and all, I had read this thread before but was not convicted to write anything. Akhir prem charo bro le mero namai ta birsechha anta ke jawaf deu jasto lagyoo re kya ? Acutally ke lekhne ke thaha nai navayera nalekhya hai bro feri... But today I was again going through this thread and saw dangggg bro's comment, "on your face, montau!!!" I did not exactly understand what dangggg bro really meant here but had a urge to write something finally. Yes I am a Christian. I feel previledged (sp?) to be a child of my Father in Heaven. As far as conversion is concerned I do not feel I was converted. I feel I found the TRUTH. Raised up in a Hindu culture and influenced by Buddhist people all around, I should have either been a Hindu or a Buddhist. But I am neither but a Christian. Living most my life in Nepal and among Hindu people, there was nothing I could feel spiritual growing up. It might be because I was [spiritually] blind then. But I did not have that inner peace and joy knowing Krishna, Shiva or even Buddha. I did follow the tradition but never felt the presence of Krishna, Shive or Buddha in me. I extremely was lacking true peace so I tried to find temporary peace in various different things. Along the way I came to the US. Then one day I had an encounter with Jesus. It was an incredible experience. It was a life-changing experience. I found the TRUTH. And that TRUTH set me free. I am free from sinful life and no more slave to sins. Jesus Christ gave me a new life. I was born again. All my old things passed away and I was a new creature in Christ. The Bible told everything that I was going through. I could relate myself to what was written in the Bible. Bible is the word of God and it changes lives. Not only me , prem charo bro, dangggg bro and all but thousands have been set free. People have been set free from drug-addiction, pornographic addiction, sinful lives with the word of God. After all Jesus came to seek the lost ones. Jesus came to seek a person like me who was soaked in sins. Can you name me a few Hindus who have been set free by Geeta? I have thousands testimonies about Christians. And I am one of them. It simply because Bible is the word of God and its a two-edged sword. I am telling from my own experience. I have a new life now with full of excitement, full of hope, full of peace and full of joy. I cannot express it out the excitement I have to live each day. Sometimes I feel like I am going nuts. Its because of the personal relationship that I have with Jesus. Can anyone tell me that you have such excitement to live because you know Krishna or Buddha? You may lie to me. You may mock at me and flat our laugh at me. You may think thats a cool thing to do. But you cannot lie to yourself. Though you may look happy from outside or pretend to be one you are empty inside. You know for sure that you are not experiencing the fullness of life. You know the empty spot in your heart. You know you want to fill it so desperately. You have desperately searched for the permanent solution. And 0nly Jesus can fill that emptiness. You like it or not, you admit it or not, THATS THE TRUTH. I am telling from my experience. Jesus says in John 10:10, " The thief [Devil] comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full." Do you want to have life to the full? Jesus is reaching out to all. But we like sheeps have gone astray. I would not want to trade my present state for anything. This is PRICELESS. Its UNBELIEVABLE. Its AWESOME. If you claim to have true inner peace and joy and the extreme excitement about your life. If there is AGAPE LOVE in you. If you are convicted to love people unconditionally then I can say you have God in you. Because God is Love. I will then consider Krishna is doing something there. Here is what most of you may say. You might say I have seen a Christian who is no different than any other. You might say I know a Christian called Joe who is an alcoholic, a crack addict or anything. Yes you are right. Thats a sad reality I have to see everyday. Not all Christians even know Jesus personally. And I tell you the truth these Christians will be judged more harshly than anybody. But you can clearly see Christians who really know Jesus by their changed lives. Like I said I cannot speak for anybody but myself. And I am saying this is from my experience. Life has not been the same since I became a Christian. The richer spiritual life I am experiencing is just AMAZING. Not only that the Lord is using me for a particular purpose. He is preparing me everyday for the sole reason He created me. I am so excited. The DAY is coming soon. I dont want to talk more about what the Lord is doing in me. We will all see in the days to come. I think I will stop here. If there is anybody who would like to read my testimony, feel free to email me at montougurung@hotmail.com or if you have MSN then message me at montougurung@hotmail.com. I will be more than happy to send it to you. And if anybody is interested I will be more than happy to talk about my SPIRITUAL LIFE. Okay thats it for now. U all take care... I will be praying for you all. By His Grace, Montou P.S. dangggg bro, did I answer you? prem charo bro I am sorry if I went off the subject but at this time I was led by the SPIRIT to write this. |
| Santosh Pant | Posted
on 14-Mar-03 03:34 AM
Montou, lost in the holy dark, What is this ? Why don't you open seperate thread for your BS ? You said "I came to the US. Then one day I had an encounter with Jesus" Question: Where ? in college? street? mall? night club? nude bar? You said "I am a Christian. I feel previledged (sp?) to be a child of my Father in Heaven" Question :How many fathers you have? You said "Jesus Christ gave me a new life. I was born again" Question : How old are you ? No wonder you talk like a mentally messed up kid. Who is your mother? You said : "Akhir prem charo bro le mero namai ta birsechha" sayad Prem Charo le birseko hoina hola. Timro BS lecture aaucha vanera, Perposely timro naam na lekheko ho. Tara timro dharma prachar ta pushy nai huncha vanne taha vayo. Jaha pani gayo uhi lecture ???? Damn !! You said "I am sorry if I went off the subject but at this time I was led by the SPIRIT to write this" -- We can understand that you went off the subject cause your "SPIRIT" is leading you towards wrong way. Montou, Yo ta ati vo. Dharma prachar garne thaau kahi payenau ra Sajha maa aayeko? Dangggg is right. And you need to read his song again again again and again. May be you will find the truth. .... |
| rajunpl | Posted
on 14-Mar-03 03:38 AM
Montau , maan dukheyo yaar.You go on believing trinity no probs. Trikal , wa bhai wa akhir tu ne chhappad phaad ke utter diya. Iso freak le ta jhaan kasto ramro utter de ko ni. |
| dangggg | Posted
on 14-Mar-03 08:14 AM
Montou dude, I was just kidding when I wrote, "On your face, Montou!" (umm... maybe 60% humor and 40% anger) you say: "By his grace" I say: "On your face" Doesn't that rhyme? isn't that funny? I think it is. If you don't think so,thats your problem. Don't take that personally hai. BTW hindu ko chora le jebus lai dekhyo bhane enlightment hune re, john walker lindh le allah lai dekhyo bhane chahi brainwashed hune re, tyo ta bhayena ni. Well I'm off to sociology class to discuss about dysfunctional amrikan families. most of the traditional christian families have problems within the family ... talking about irony:| On your face, dangggg PS santosh pant ji, thanks for your support hai. I think hinduchoro/prem charo didn't get what I was talking about. Anywho, charo, maybe you should learn to play sarangi and save our music and culture. Mo ta madal sikna lagira chu. |
| rajunpl | Posted
on 14-Mar-03 08:24 AM
AAAhhhh kasto danggg ko mula rahechha yaar. kura nai bujhuina.. |
| Eminem8 | Posted
on 14-Mar-03 09:40 AM
Here is a story someone once told me -: I was about 6 or 7 years old, it was christmas eve. My mom and I were waiting for dad to come home from work. He was supposed to pick up all the presents. Just like every year, I couldnt wait to open them. But more than that, I loved climbing on his shoulder to put that star on top of the christmas tree, always thought there was something magical about that. We waited, and waited........ it was getting late, he didnt show up. My mom and I had fallen asleep on the couch, it was christmas and my had hadnt arrived yet. After two more days and still no sign of dad, the search for him was going earnestly, the police could trace him from his office till the store he had stopped by to grab the presents, but after that, not a clue. On the forth day, we noticed a very foul smell, like some dead rats were in the house. We called the pest comtrol, and when they looked up the chimney, I knew something was not right. The police and firemen came, and pulled my dad, stuck on the chimney. He was all rotten, but he still had the red santa uniform, fully equipped with the beard and moustache. He had tried to sneak in through the chimney dressed as santa, tried to give mom and I a nice christmas present. Something had gone wrong and he got stuck and broke his neck, he couldnt utter a word. They predicted he died there after about 30 hours of getting stuck there. Thats when I knew there was no God. And you are discussing whether it is right to convert from one religion to another. God save you guys..................... Hah........no more hopeful than the above phrase. Shady |
| dangggg | Posted
on 17-Mar-03 01:46 AM
Montou bro, I think you got some explaining to do to shady bhai. on your face, dangggg |
| PREM CHARO | Posted
on 17-Mar-03 02:36 AM
Eminem 8ji, Oh my God !! I think that's a stupidest idea to enter the house through chimney. You got the point. Danggggggji, I got the point, you were trying to say. I can play other Nepali musical instruments such as Madal, Bansuri, Tabala ( for vajan) but Sarangi po vaneko. I enjoy reading your postings. Keep it up. Montouji, I read your experiance. I am glad that you found the God. I hope it is not a illusion of perseption. I couldn't get one point, that is : you raised in Hindu culture ( may be your parents or relatives are still hindu), norms and values. Hindu culture gave you the sense of choise (good or bad), Now you are creticising about Hindu religion? Aafule khaayeko thaal maa aafai hagne? May be Christianity taught you to criticise other values and belief (refering to your above posting), If so I don't have to say anything. If you wanna give me any answer, Please make it short, and something that make sense. I don't understand bible verses and I don't care for it eather. Hindu Charo = Prem Charo. |
| jira | Posted
on 17-Mar-03 11:06 AM
valid arguement dang, "BTW hindu ko chora le jebus lai dekhyo bhane enlightment hune re, john walker lindh le allah lai dekhyo bhane chahi brainwashed hune re, tyo ta bhayena ni" |
| SITARA | Posted
on 17-Mar-03 11:50 AM
It is great that people find meaning to their life through religion... but being religious does not necessarily mean that one is spiritual; neither does it guarantee a space in the high heavens. I know many who don't believe in organized religion and yet they are the most conscientious people I have come across... But, it is definitely unethical to impose one's religion on another....A NO! NO! |
| TRIKAL | Posted
on 18-Mar-03 07:00 PM
Sitaraji, I agree with you. Aakhir dui din ko jiban maa ......... Jhagada garera ke paine ho ra? Jasko antaskaran le je vancha tyahi garne ta ho ni !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dangggggg, Good example....... Trikal... |
| Prem Charo | Posted
on 24-Mar-03 11:10 PM
Where is your answer ?? Com on !! I think you are hiding yourself in deep pain. Gulty feeling about religion change ?? It happens when you trade your priceless soul in cheap market. "Gali kaa kutta ghar kaa na ghaat kaa" jasto laagcha holaa hoina? Friend (bro), I am asking this question to you. |