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| isolated freak |
Posted
on 11-Mar-03 10:45 PM
Rajunpl,
Since we have started discussing on Chinese History and Politics, which can get quite boring and dry and a torture for other visitors/posters who are on the Paschim's thread to discuss Indo-China, I have typed my reply here. We can continue with our discusion here, if you want to. Others, too feel free to throw in your comments, if you feel like.
On the other thread, you wrote:
after the abolishion of the monarchy,I read somewhere that the there was a civil war inside the chinese land for who to rule the country.I also read that the there was a fighting group,kind of samurai by means of feature and ability.Tried to take state power. till the early 40's.
[ Yes, there was a power struggle follwoing the abolishion of monarchy in 1911. Dr Sun Yatsen became the President for a brief period of time amid chaos due to warlordism and people's unwillingness to accept the new system in certain parts of China. Yuan Shikai replaced Sun in 1912. Yuan Shikai died mysteriously a day before he was about to declare himself the new emperor of China. Then Chian took over in 1926/27 after the end of the Northern Expedition in which CHiang's nationalist army with the help of the Coomunists and Russians brought warlords under control. Then Chiang started a war on the coomunists!]
You Further Wrote: WWII broke out and japanese power take over the china.There comes a rising of Mao.He revolt against the japanese.Finally communist power was victorious.
[The Japanese encroachment of the Chinese land started prior to the second-world war. This started as early as 1931 when the Japanese established Manchukuo (Manchuguo) in Manchuria of which the last chinese Emperor, Henry Pu Yi was reinstated as the Emperor by the Japanese.
Mao's rise has more to do with the land reform policy and his ability to organine. Mao was actively organizing and reformning the rural chinese society until the infamous rape of nanking. After that, the Chinese history took a U-turn..
You wrote: Samething happens to china in the late 50's. Because of which mao force himself to lead CULTURAL REVOLUTION.Then they follow the same 5 years plan to enhance thiei economies.They buy a heavy parent machinaries from the western world.Started the small production.Mao also wants to develop china;s economy in the fast track basis.He start collective farming,collective industial product.in one way or the other it is called COMMUNUE.I believe the meaning of cultural revolution was to end the theoritical beliefs.That seems to be perfect in theory.But goes other way round when it comes to practice.
[Cultural REvolution statrted in the mid-60s and lated for 10 years, 1966-1976. Its also called the "10 years of Chaos". The Chinese followed the Russian Economic model and invested on heavy industries. Mao wanted to make a great leap and catch up with the US, so in 1958/60, he came up with the idea of Great Leap Forwad (Da Yao Jun), and focused on communes/industries etc. However, when this movement ended in 1958, almost 30 million people were dead because of some "revolutionary" policies.
The reasons behind the Cultural Revolutions are (as far as I know because I don't know much about Chinese History):
1. Mao believed in continuing revolution. And the Great Proleteriat Cultural Revolution was nothing but one of his strategies to keep people in action.
2. After the failure of the Great Leap Forward, there was a rival faction within the CCP which started to criticize Mr. Mao openly. Mao to prove that he still ahs the public support and that he can mobilize millions of people, came up with the idea of a new revolution that would attack the 4 olds--old ideas, old customs, old culture and old hasbits. To attract the youth, Cultural Revolution was promoted as "learn revolution by making revolution".]
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| isolated freak |
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on 11-Mar-03 10:56 PM
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Q: what do you think if the nepal does the same way like china did in the 60-70's
answer: it own't be very wise to follow the Chinese 60s-70s model.
100 flowers campaign: In 1956, the CCP wanted to see what the intellectuals think about the Party. Intellectuals and others were asked to send their views of the Party. So, the Party launched the 100 flowers capaign with the rhetoric that differences in views/thoughts should be encouraged. However, the Party started recieving negative feedbacks/ccriticisms from the intellectuals. Then, in 1957 another camnpaign was started which was called the Anti-Rightist Movement targeted against the intellectuals.
hatar hatar mna type garya.. spellinmg and iother errors ko lagi apologies beforehand.
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| sajan |
Posted
on 12-Mar-03 04:11 AM
isolated freak,
Its' good to see nice reply to Rajunpl. I do hope you have given higher priority to his replies which put you to reply separately.
I also hope that RajuNPL is probably on the way to his reply...............................
Thanks !
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| isolated freak |
Posted
on 12-Mar-03 06:21 AM
sajan,
there's no priority issue involved here. I started a seperate thread because i did not want to divert issue/contents of the originator of the other thread. If Rajunpl wishes to, we can discuss issues/questions reklated to China and Chinese history here although I am no expert on this matter.
Thanks for your remarks.
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| rajunpl |
Posted
on 13-Mar-03 04:02 AM
Anyway,Thanks isolated freak jyu for the knowledge you provided.I am not precisely correct in the history.The dates are the main factor which comes nearer but not exactly the way you describe.
I FREAK :Mao's rise has more to do with the land reform policy and his ability to organine. Mao was actively organizing and reformning the rural chinese society until the infamous rape of nanking. After that, the Chinese history took a U-turn..
Well,I believe that mao has to do anything with the politics/national reforms in all the educational sector,service sector,industrial sector/national security.That's how the SLEEPING GIANT rise.He plays the vital role in the chinese history which even effect the history of the world.He gives the modern direction of the founder of communue marx.He creect to dictatorship of the communist that stalin ruined.
Reformation of the chinese people led by the cultural revolution is the historical example for the any late-civilized country in the world.For instance same path followed by the peru,cambodia and nepal are not inevitable.I believe they can extract the good part of it like the extraction of the honey .The way prachanda doing the prachandapath,Till what degree it lies to the consistence of the mao's cultural revolution ..?
I F : answer: it own't be very wise to follow the Chinese 60s-70s model.
Yes,It may be relevant.Neither it may be wise to follow the european or the american 60's -70's model.It is nepal in the end of the day.Say for instance why not our politicians see the past and develop the own new and the scientific idea..? here this may be undigestable.In many things we are forward than the europe's 60's and the chinese 60's. There can be many aspects practically.But, theoritically we are still childish-in-nature.
I don't think it would be unwise to mix the good-extract of the 60-70's model.Because we cannot adopt the mediterranian/vic britian/brit american traditionally.If people can share the cake of infedelity why not they even try to observe the cake of the social-reform..? this is least i can say.
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| sajan |
Posted
on 13-Mar-03 04:39 AM
Good concept isolatedfreak ji. Wa wa Rajunpl ji..................nikai gaya jasto cha ni ho !
I do not really understand of posting the same reply twice. I feel that its' coz of excitement isn't it ?
Thanks !
Sajan
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| allare |
Posted
on 13-Mar-03 05:11 AM
yo allare ko purano thread ta bhetina.. tehi pani just curious hai .. sajan lai yanha dekher.. sajan bro, tapai ta WNSO baat kicked out re ni ho?
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| isolated freak |
Posted
on 13-Mar-03 12:35 PM
Rajunpl,
The Sleeping Tigress woke up after the 1978 Reforms by Deng Xiaoping. Yes, he does have an important place in the history of the modern world and in the history of communism. But, whether mao was a marxist or not, is still unresolved.
"Reformation of the chinese people led by the cultural revolution is the historical example for the any late-civilized country in the world.For instance same path followed by the peru,cambodia and nepal are not inevitable.I believe they can extract the good part of it like the extraction of the honey .The way prachanda doing the prachandapath,Till what degree it lies to the consistence of the mao's cultural revolution ..? "
Cultural Revolution isn't considered as one of the nicest things to happen to China. It did not lead to reforms but to chaos, that's why its also called 10 years of chaos in China..But you are right, one should be able to extract the best of everything available.
You are right. We should not blindly follow any one country's model, but should explore our options and come up with desh-ko hawa-mato suhawudo niti tatha byabastha.
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| nell |
Posted
on 13-Mar-03 01:18 PM
Sajan,
YOU SUCK BIG TIME
Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| MainBatti |
Posted
on 13-Mar-03 01:45 PM
nell,
:)
"Thanks!" [Sajan, 2003]
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| rajunpl |
Posted
on 14-Mar-03 04:12 AM
Ah! Thanks IF :The Sleeping Tigress woke up after the 1978 Reforms by Deng Xiaoping. Yes, he does have an important place in the history of the modern world and in the history of communism. But, whether mao was a marxist or not, is still unresolved.
I don't exactly remember when was the mao died 1976 or something like that.I did read about him in the social point of view.You said that the cultural revolution brought chaos.But, I believe history is just like the series of practising new ideas.Whether or not there was a chaos.You can see the chaos even in the french revolution and the industrial revolution in the late-mediaval europe.
There was a chao even in the tudor britain/anglican era/victorian.There was a chao in the germany even in the WWII and then after.Look at the chao of the east germany held by the russia and the west germany held by the allies.I believe chao is the most powerful word in the history of the civilization.
All the revolution in the history is also the stage of the civilization.But there are very few and the educateable revolution in the past history.Like the CULTURAL REVOLUTION led by the mao.There is a highest of its kind and the ver social matter found in his composition of the CULTURAL REVOLUTION.
There is something in his cultural revolution that is being even following by the west in their own version.Say for instance west raises the nation wealth by the tax.The mao did the same way by the communue.There was something in "COLLECTION" or the collective product.That can be applied everywhere.
What do you tthink about the chain store in the west...? The collection of the various chain store can be reffered as a collective business.Collective business and thereafter tax now, what more they want to boost their economy...?I believe economy go through the roof just like that.
Let's go to china.If you think that the cultural revolution period was a chaos.What do you think after the mao's death.I don't know much but the little i know is that Why his widow wife unsuccesful.Wasn't there was something like the period of warlord again..?I don't believe that the chinese history was settled after that.May be they were nicely settled in the period of the european colonies.There was something unstable when the british started selling the GANJA in the china and the war between the british and the chinese where the war is easily won by the british.
What...? do you think that it was stable when the hundreds of students were killed in the tiananmen square, when they built the goddess of the democracy..?
I believe this is history.Like again somesays the breaking of the continuation is called history.I have no idea about that
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| rajunpl |
Posted
on 14-Mar-03 04:13 AM
Ah! Thanks IF :The Sleeping Tigress woke up after the 1978 Reforms by Deng Xiaoping. Yes, he does have an important place in the history of the modern world and in the history of communism. But, whether mao was a marxist or not, is still unresolved.
I don't exactly remember when was the mao died 1976 or something like that.I did read about him in the social point of view.You said that the cultural revolution brought chaos.But, I believe history is just like the series of practising new ideas.Whether or not there was a chaos.You can see the chaos even in the french revolution and the industrial revolution in the late-mediaval europe.
There was a chao even in the tudor britain/anglican era/victorian.There was a chao in the germany even in the WWII and then after.Look at the chao of the east germany held by the russia and the west germany held by the allies.I believe chao is the most powerful word in the history of the civilization.
All the revolution in the history is also the stage of the civilization.But there are very few and the educateable revolution in the past history.Like the CULTURAL REVOLUTION led by the mao.There is a highest of its kind and the ver social matter found in his composition of the CULTURAL REVOLUTION.
There is something in his cultural revolution that is being even following by the west in their own version.Say for instance west raises the nation wealth by the tax.The mao did the same way by the communue.There was something in "COLLECTION" or the collective product.That can be applied everywhere.
What do you tthink about the chain store in the west...? The collection of the various chain store can be reffered as a collective business.Collective business and thereafter tax now, what more they want to boost their economy...?I believe economy go through the roof just like that.
Let's go to china.If you think that the cultural revolution period was a chaos.What do you think after the mao's death.I don't know much but the little i know is that Why his widow wife unsuccesful.Wasn't there was something like the period of warlord again..?I don't believe that the chinese history was settled after that.May be they were nicely settled in the period of the european colonies.There was something unstable when the british started selling the GANJA in the china and the war between the british and the chinese where the war is easily won by the british.
What...? do you think that it was stable when the hundreds of students were killed in the tiananmen square, when they built the goddess of the democracy..?
I believe this is history.Like again somesays the breaking of the continuation is called history.I have no idea about that
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| rajunpl |
Posted
on 14-Mar-03 04:14 AM
sorry for posting twice . ke bhayo yo computer kunni..? ek patak garda hudaina arko choti garda double hunchha
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| sajan |
Posted
on 14-Mar-03 04:22 AM
Allare bro,
I did not realise that your conscience would think of posting this message in such delicate thread where RajuNPL and Isolated Freak jee's dispute is ongoing. It proved that you are nothing more than a messenger which I have noticed from your various posts here in sajha. Any way sajha is not for such demeanour buddy.
Bye the way, I do not really uderstand what the hell you talking about ? What Sajan ? Which Sajan is kicked out ? I am Sajan of Sajha and been here for last 5-6 months. It's good for you if anyone Sajan's you know have been kicked out. Why don't you go and take over his place ?
Hence I remind you to read the message first and know and than post buddy. Don't be blind and pretend like a blind. Anotherwise many other sajhaities will kick you out from sajha.
I hope this will give you good lesson for your future.
Sajan
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| merodesh |
Posted
on 14-Mar-03 04:33 AM
Hey fu*ing cheap man allare ? You have proved already here. You not have any compation with SAJAN . What the hell think of your self.
Taile ke garna khojeko jatatatai jasko pani birodh gareko matra dekhachu. wnso ma ke bhann khojeko tution ko kura ma pani KETI PANI HUNU PARNE bhanera yadi sokha cha bhane pahila timro didi bahini haru lai layaunu ani matra ... kina timro najara ma ketiharu kharab kura ko lagi matra ho ? you babakuf , gadha. ta kahan bata janmis talai janmaune pani ta yauta keti manche ho.sale bhate bhatuwa ramro ra ijjat ko najar le kasai sangha pani bebahar garna aaudaina ? somat khoi tero laa.. 1 paisa dinchu GU, MUT kinera kha . aruko dare garyoo aru lai khsalera lekhyoo tyoo bahek tero kehi kaam bhayana yoo sajha ra wnso ma dherai dina dekhi tero charti calai herdai chu. ullu. alikati sikha aru le yahan ke gardai cha bhanne. teri aru kehi kaam chaina ? kina aru ko khedo khanchas tero kasle ke gigareko cha. SAJAN ko ta ali kati paitala ko dhulo jati pani chaina. here chas usko angregi ? kasai le galti garema usalai tero galti bhayoo sudhar po bhanne sidhai gali garne ra tathanaam bhanne ? talai kasle sikhayoo. kuna school ma padheko ? bhaneko maan sudhar aafulai ra arulai pani ramro gyaan ra kura haru band. aainda aru ko barema naramro lekhyoo bhane tero matra hoina ko tero 7 pusta le naramro lekhane naskane garo answer dinechu. bujhis ?yadi kasai lai galti nai nabhani ra galti nai nagari gali ra jepayoo bhanyoo bhane afulai yak palta dunuyama bhayako sabai gali garnu ani matra aru lai gali garnu. MERO SABAI BHANDA THILO KURA KETI HARU KO IJJATA GARNA SIK RA NARI BHANEKO YAUTA IJJAT KO DOSRO NAAM HO RA NARI BATA NAI TIMI YOO SANSAR MA CHAU, NARILAI IJAAT GARNU JHAHILE PANI TIMRO IJJAT SAHI SALAMAT RAHANECHA. KINA BHANE TIMRO GHAAR KO AAMA , DIDI- BAHINI, CHORI-BUHARI RA TIMRO JINDAGI KO YAK MATRA SAHARA PANI NARINAI HUNECHA.
And I knew from your post in wnso that you don't have any knowledge in english. so come to sajha to learn english but with good faith and not with evil eye. Anotherwise you will badly kick you OUT.
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| allare |
Posted
on 14-Mar-03 05:27 AM
Sajan and Merodesh,
hehehehe.. heheehehhehehehe.. kati hasam, can not pity on your position. Sajan, so now, you are saying that you are not same sajan of WNSO, hahaha.. you made my day man. :)
Just imaging your face, how much its red and blue, being kicked out by WNSO and trying with another name again there. Shall i flash that here also?
Merodesh, na malai sajan ko jasto khatra, kasaile bujhana nasakine anawayask english aaunch, na malai timro jastai nepali aauncha.
Hello SAN dai, yo dubai Sajan ra Merodesh eutai ho ki kya ho?
hehe.. ke ber, euta english ma lekhacha, arko tharro nepali ma. Maile tyo post ma, kohee bahini haru hunu huncha bhane, join garoun hai bhaneko chhu. aba yesko artha, timi jasto bidwaan le je lagaye pani huncha. kehi bhannu chhaina.
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| freak of nature |
Posted
on 14-Mar-03 08:14 AM
What the hell is going here > disturbing such a nice conversation of the freak and the rajunpl ji.I am fan of both, I would like to see the good conversation .
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| isolated freak |
Posted
on 14-Mar-03 08:16 AM
"I don't exactly remember when was the mao died 1976 or something like that.I did read about him in the social point of view.You said that the cultural revolution brought chaos.But, I believe history is just like the series of practising new ideas.Whether or not there was a chaos.You can see the chaos even in the french revolution and the industrial revolution in the late-mediaval europe"
Mao died on September 9, 1976. You are right, any major event has brought, for some moments chaos and anarchy, and the cultural revolution was no different. Howver, the degree of impact it had on china was far bigger than the impacts of french revolution and industrial revolution in France and England.
"There is something in his cultural revolution that is being even following by the west in their own version.Say for instance west raises the nation wealth by the tax.The mao did the same way by the communue.There was something in "COLLECTION" or the collective product.That can be applied everywhere. "
Well, tax-collection started from the early sumerian dynasty/nation state. The State collected taxes and the people paid taxes, so Mao did not came up with the diea of tax collection. The Qin dynasty colelcted tax and the Qing dynasty colelcted tax.
Mao's commune were a failure. The Village Committees and Danwei (work units) are now considered major policy failures of the Mao-Era China.
"Let's go to china.If you think that the cultural revolution period was a chaos.What do you think after the mao's death.I don't know much but the little i know is that Why his widow wife unsuccesful.Wasn't there was something like the period of warlord again..?"
After Mao's death, Deng Xiaoping took over and perpetuated reforms. Mao's wife Jiang Qing, was one of the members of the Gang of Four which was later prosecuted in the court for "creating chaos and promoting violence' during the 10 eyars of Cultural Revolution. She committed suicide in the 80s in a prision in Beijing. His widow-wife , with the help of the Gang of Four members tried to seize the power but her coup-de-tat attempt was unsuccessful and she ended up in a jail. She was also charged with murders and other crimes she committed throughout the 60s till mid-70s.
"There was something unstable when the british started selling the GANJA in the china and the war between the british and the chinese where the war is easily won by the british. "
The East India company sold Opium to the Chinese in guangdong (Canton) area and a war was between the Chinese and the American-French-British troops. The Chionese lost the "OPIUM" war and as a result, Hong Kong was handed over to the British.
"What...? do you think that it was stable when the hundreds of students were killed in the tiananmen square, when they built the goddess of the democracy..? "
Well, so far the only convincing explanation regarding the Tiananmen incident is found in Deng Xiaoping's speech to the nation immediately following the incident. I suggest you read it.. YOu can find it on the web. He has outlined stability as his first and foremost priority to carry on with the economic reforms. There he makes reference to the cultural revolution and assures his people that they wouldn't have to go through the years of chaos again.
I believe this is history.Like again somesays the breaking of the continuation is called history.I have no idea about that "
I have no idea!!
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| rajunpl |
Posted
on 15-Mar-03 03:59 AM
Isolated freak jyu you said that history still in chaos whether or not mao follow the marx.
In my point of view,if the revolution belongs to pure communism.Then there is a smell of the revolt led by the marx.say for instance industrial revolution ( mother of all the revolution. It can be renamed after the atrocity of thr ferocity by the socialist.But it has the marx idea. Like you said somewhere society changes like stream this example you can see here in the communism.The slow process of transferring from marx to lenin,stalin and then in the hand of the mao.No wonder mao worked night and day to give it new and the developed face.
In other word it can be the conspiracy of the socialist to say that.(I am further saying that i am not communist,I am saying what i felt like).socialist,who doesn't share the meal with the communist.You can always say,there is a rat-race for the chair of the government in any political system of any government.
Live example is among the division of the communist parties in nepal.Yes there is a ferocitism in the communist till the certein degree.but,that's what the marx's idea.The idea which he claim to be the first pace of the development of politics and economy in the any given nation of the world.
Let us again go back to the indo china.The division of the indo-china in the late-colonial era of the 50's also led chao.And, because of which the country is suffering from the huge-harm.Communist north vietnam won the battlle after the long run-in war.They took over the whole vietnam after the cease-fire led by the americans.The death of the mao and the uprising of the communism in the indo-china in the same period. What a synchronisation.(there may be mistake in the actual date or the time of which i am unknown)
Isn't there is full of selfishness from the russia,china and the USA.The supporto the usa in the non-communist nation and the backing of china and the russia in the communist nation.This period of cold war was better than theWWI and the WWII, i believe.The backing of the south by the US has suffered.What do you think about the communist north and the non-communist south korea....? ( the economic instability of the south korea though it is heavily industrialized.)
The unification of the vietnam was more important then the unification of the germany.Though there was a same nature in the germany allies v/s the russia.Laos and the combodia are the live communist country.what do yopu think about the pro-democracy move now leading by some group of people that has been influenced by the west...?
The communist existed countries like China ( already reformed in the economic sector),vietnam,laos,cambodia,north korea and the cuba,
Q: do you think that the nepal will be the next country by the prachandapath or so called baburamism.
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| sajan |
Posted
on 15-Mar-03 04:24 AM
Allare,
Don't think that you are cunning that's why everyone will be cunning and corrupted. I know who is me and you know better who are you ? Many other in sajha know what I do here and what you do here. Don't be smart ! What the hell you think of yourself. You have seen what feed back you have got from Merodesh. Still you are not shameful to show your face in here. You should have some dignity man. I visit WNSo sometimes and have seen there is Sajan too. But he seems to be quite different than you. Why don't you see that. Here in Sajha there are 2-3 Sajan that doesn't mean all are same. I remind you to take off such narrow thinking. We here in sajha do not allow ill-minded people like you. Isolated Freak jee has already said that you have disturbed his such a nice thread. Look at them what they are doing and what you are doing and compare yourself what you are. Than you will have bit of shame. You must use matrix of name that is why you attempt to blame others accordingly. I have my own identity and having scarcity of time to follow up so why can I use other name. You don't have anything to do that's why you do rubbish job by creating multiple of names. ANy wish you to creat 100 of more name and continue the same job what you are doing now which will be your great succes.
Get out from here ! This is a heaven and devils are not allow here. Your place is in hell !
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| sajan |
Posted
on 15-Mar-03 04:25 AM
Sorry isolated freak, freak of nature and Rajunpl jee,
I will not follow this thread any more. I am sorry for disturbance.
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| rajunpl |
Posted
on 15-Mar-03 09:04 AM
ISOLATED FREAK :Well, so far the only convincing explanation regarding the Tiananmen incident is found in Deng Xiaoping's speech to the nation immediately following the incident. I suggest you read it.. YOu can find it on the web. He has outlined stability as his first and foremost priority to carry on with the economic reforms. There he makes reference to the cultural revolution and assures his people that they wouldn't have to go through the years of chaos again.
YES, I do appreaciate the economis reforms made by the (ruler after the mao, i am just saying the overall development of china ,whoever did it ,i have no idea about the name of the ruler ). He cleverly rise the economy in the china.The rise of economy in china was after the late 80's i believe.The lower level production reach the sky high, alongwith he has tighten the nation security as well.Because of which the chinese military plays a important role in the UN.we cannot consider them as like US and The Uk but still.
Like you said,there are many negative affect in the period of mao.But, that is the key feature of which chinese are ,where they are today.Atleast,they are shoulder to shoulder with the russian.Russian dream to communalised the third world fade away.
See for instace, russian in the afganisthan,and russian in indo-china, and the expenditure of the russian to keep the communist alive in the world.I believe the period of cold war was the biggest impact in the russian economy.Who once was the threat for the world.Say even the american and the british were so much scared that they form the NATO.
What if the russian and the american impact of communalising and non-communalising afeect hit the NEPALESE SOIL...?
laos,vietnam,cambodia now are nothing more than the YATRI without the ambition.It can be any nation in the world which are dividing in the western way of life and the traditional way of life.You can see the arab world and the major countries of the third world.
let us see how you react..?
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| freak of nature |
Posted
on 15-Mar-03 09:10 AM
I am getting education here.
Malai ta achamma lagyo kura sunera.sacchai ho ta!!!!!.Isolated le kasto tyakkai pareko ni.ani pachai pachi raju o ho achamma
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| isolated freak |
Posted
on 15-Mar-03 06:50 PM
YES, I do appreaciate the economis reforms made by the (ruler after the mao, i am just saying the overall development of china ,whoever did it ,i have no idea about the name of the ruler ).
Deng Xiaoping succeeded Mao. 10 years of Chaos and almost 3 decades of wrong and failed polcies economy-wise had left China in a bleak state, and hadn't there been any reform in the economy, China would have in a huge mess.
Chinese have now developed ICBMs and undoubtedly the next superpower, both economic and miltary.
Re: Sino-Soviet alliance:
China and Russia, throughout the Chinese Revolution had been close allies albiet bitter "covered-up" differences. However, the Russian adventurism in the 60s and Krushev's peceful Co-existance with the Capitalist West angered Mao. Furthermore, when the then USSR backed off from its promise to help China develop nuclear bombs, Mao decided to break the Sino-Soviet alliance and their sheer luck, teh Americans were looking for an ally to contain the USSR in East Asia. Result: Ping-Pong diplomacy, Henry Kissinger's secret visit, NIxon's visit, Shanghai Communique and the American help to modernize the Chinese Army.
Hadn't Russia foolowed the Brezhnev Docttine and embarked on an adventure in East Europe, the situation would have been a little different. The Russians stated, as you said, spreading communism which Mao referred to as "adventurism" and Mao's polciies were dismissed and discredited by the Soviet leadership by saying "nonsensical".
"what if the russian and the american impact of communalising and non-communalising afeect hit the NEPALESE SOIL...? "
I think you are asking the impact of Cold War on Nepal.
Nepal, althogh a NAM member, was tilted more towards the US than the USSR. Given the anti-Indian feelings in Nepal, and India's alliance with the USSR, it seemed quite sensical for us to join hands with the US. In the 70s, other close US allies, CHina and Pakistan, as our neighbors also made Nepal feel SECURED.
King Mahendra played his China card really well and that too without offending India and the US. Another briliant move was Nepal's recognition of Israel. It symboliozed Nepal's desperate attempt to announce to the world that, Nepal, a small nation in the middle of two asian giants has ITS RIGHTS to survive as a NATION and should there be any interfarance in Nepal by the neighbors, the UN/US/UK should oppose it. This was also our effort to be on the US side.
Of course, the Americans were aware of Nepal's strategic location and were more than happy to "help" Nepal. Nepal, in the late 60s up to mid 70s became a playground of the Superpowers. The Russians and the Chinese were already active in the region and Nepal's american tilt gave the US an oppurtunity to get involved in Nepal. The Americans thought that they would be able to reinstate the Dalai Lama in Potala, if they fund an Armed anti-China movement in Mustang.
In the 80s and 90s, Nepal enjoyed a closeness in its relations with Beijing and DC. The Russian tried to woo Nepal on their side by building factories and through other aids. We accepted teh Russian help but we didn't accept to be on their side, which made both China and the US VERY happy.
A new World Order came into existance in the 90s which changed the whole equation.
Re: Laos, Cambodia etc.
I think the problem you highlighted is a problem for all developing nation. How to balance traditions and modernity is more of a sociological/anthropological question. So, I don't think I'll be able to comment on this.
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| isolated freak |
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on 15-Mar-03 06:54 PM
The slow process of transferring from marx to lenin,stalin and then in the hand of the mao.No wonder mao worked night and day to give it new and the developed face.
hmm interesting!
Q: do you think that the nepal will be the next country by the prachandapath or so called baburamism.
Nepal will develop its own system called "Bhad-bhailo-ism".
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| isolated freak |
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on 15-Mar-03 07:05 PM
The slow process of transferring from marx to lenin,stalin and then in the hand of the mao.No wonder mao worked night and day to give it new and the developed face.
You are implying that those leaders added their own "special" idea/view/trait to the Socialist movement without altering the broader framework. I agree.
thup prasna? malai aundiana tara I'll try to answer to your quetsions..
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| rajunpl |
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on 17-Mar-03 04:06 AM
Thanks for your effort IF jyu.
Nepal will develop its own system called "Bhad-bhailo-ism".
This seems interesting.The comrades in the parliament will develop their own political direction called "bhad-bhailoism".They didn't invent the democracy and they can't.Turmoil is the easy way out. :)
In the end I am greatful towards you who gave me consecutive answers to my many such questions.I praise your spirit in the way you appear.Thank you.
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| nell |
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on 17-Mar-03 08:11 AM
Sajan,
sorry to say this but you need to do some mental check up. you are in serious trouble buddy.....good luck...
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