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| bpokhrel |
Posted
on 16-Mar-03 11:02 PM
hey ashu,
read your comments on hon. mstr deepak gyawali few mnths back.
what do u say to this?
what has he done so far????????
no hard feelings :)haihttp://www.nepalnews.com.np/contents/nepalidaily/kantipur/2003/mar/mar13/view.htm#4
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| MainBatti |
Posted
on 17-Mar-03 12:40 AM
Bichara Ashu laai jataa gayo tetai trap chha :)
B. Pokharel, Thanks for the link. Don't you think it would have been great if such articles were published time and again in national media to "byujaawosh" those in power and if those in power cared about things specifically addressed to them?
I do not remember Ashu claiming that "Gyawali dai" would turn every word of his to action, but he had certainly shown overconfidence in Gyawali. I will also be looking forward to Ashu's response to your question.
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| ashu |
Posted
on 17-Mar-03 04:35 AM
The original kurakani on sajha was about, in retrospect, a rather PICAYUNE concern: whether or not "Ashu bhai" quoted "[his] Deepak Dai" correctly in this forum re: the latter's Berkeley ma PhD garnay kura.
Whatever the motivation behind the prolongation of that kurakani was, after
much heated rock-n-roll (to borrow Kumar "whoever s/he is" Prasad Upadhyay's memorable phrase) and a subsequent private investigation by email, it turned out that "Ashu bhai" ko kura ended up being -- gasp, choke!! -- corroborated by
"Deepak Dai".
[Those who are interested, please go to the Sajha archives, see the thread -- started by Paschim - called something like "Minister Gyawali replies" and please read KPU's
blow-by-blow responses to "Ashu Bhai's " then critics.]
That was then.
At the time, I defended what I wrote about Deepak Gyawali, and I am glad that I
stuck to my guns till the end -- only to be proven CORRECT at the end anyway.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK: And that's what you guys will always get from me on Sajha:
No bullshit, just straight, verifiably true stuff -- NO MATTER how fiercely I get challenged/questioned and attacked, all of which I welcome without batting an
eyelid.)
This article by Biswo Mani Pokharel is different.
This seems heavy with personal criticisms, and has very little in terms of insights,
but that's OK.
Deepak Gyawali is a public figure with a mind/ideas of his own.
And it's NO surprise that he gets attacked/criticized and even ridiculed like this.
But let HIM deal with this.
And let Biswo Mani Pokharel deal with this via letters to editor that may or may not
have come to his editor by now.
As a private citizen, I have full confidence in Deepak Gyawali, and am certain that DG
will be able to shrug off Pokharel's personal attacks, and will go on to end his tenure
by being a Jal-srot minister with respectable achievements on which future jal-srot ministers (with electoral constituencies) can build up further progress.
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| bpokhrel |
Posted
on 18-Mar-03 06:20 PM
Original conversation on sajha was "Congratulations To Deepak Dai"....blah blah blah......posted by Ashu.
I'm not against DG but truth is "he is/was and will always remain a critic".
What i learnt from him is (watching him on Tv,reading articles etc) Yo Bhayena, Tyo Bhayena, Hami yasto Garna Saktheu, Yesari Garnu Parcha, Yo Project Lyaunu Parcha,Yo System ma Yo changes Hunu parcha(talking abt NEA), Kursi Ma Basney Haru Nalayak chan Yo Desh ma Layak Byekti Haru Ley Chance Paudaina, I could have done This,I could have done That..blah .blah.blah.These were his exact comments on past.
And What is DG doing now? According to local papers , DG once worked at NEA and is 12 and 13 years junior to MD Karmacharya and Jalshrot Sachib Chand respectively.
He doesnt dare to say any words against Karmacharya ,Chand in public or board meetings.
DG couldnt do anything when he was member in the board of director of NEA few yrs back.
And he hasnt done anything so far as minister of water resources.
Why is he not able to formulate policies.....@#$%^&#$(%^%$#%............................??????????/
Theres a saying,"Barking dog doesnt bite".
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| ashu |
Posted
on 18-Mar-03 07:02 PM
>>And What is DG doing now?
B Pokharel, why not ask DG directly?
I assume you are a journalist, are you not?
One lousy report against DG by some Kantipur hack does NOT make or break him.
S, sop trying to provoke people into eacting to that article.
If you are a public figure in Nepal (or for that matter on Sajha), you get attacked, right left and center -- and that's life.
Those who are made up of stronger, resilient stuff can brush off such attacks easily, and get on with life, while those who are insecure replay the humilitaion in their mind
for months and years, waiting for a time to get even.
DG has his set of friends and enemies -- and while I have seen his friends (myself inlclded) stand by him even when going gets/got rough, his enemies will do anything
to make him look bad.
And that too is life.
Has it occurred to you that Gyawali needs to work with Karmacharya et al, and, as the Minister now, he needs to WIN their confidence and NOT alienate them? So, why would he publicly criticize his own subordinates when he needs them to accomplish the jal-srot goals?
Finally, here's some homework for you to answer your own "what has he done" qeustion: Go take a look at the new Electricity Development Board (EDC) -- and report back to us how it is being formulated differently from what it was even eight months
ago and then see whether DG's apparoach makes sense or not in terms of larger jal-srot goals.
Until you have such verifiably true facts on the table, you do no one any service by mindlessly going against DG.
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| ashu |
Posted
on 18-Mar-03 08:59 PM
I think I should make it clear that:
a) I do NOT expect DG to solve ALL jal-srot problems during his tenure.
b) I also do NOT expect DG to make all of Nepal Nepal jhili-mili by the end of his tenure.
c) I also do NOT expect DG not to make his own set of mistakes (procedural, administrative, logistical, etc) here and there -- as long as he shares his mistakes openly, quickly learns from them and makes the rest of us too learn from those mistakes . . . (making mistakes is fine in my book, what is not fine is hiding or repeating them.)
But I do expect him to:
a) START putting together a few good jal-srot policies (with sound economic, incentive-driven reasoning that help make the whole sector more institutionalized ) in place so that NO MATTER who becomes the next jal-srot mantri, that mantri (preferably with an electoral constituency behind him or her) can build up on DG's legacy, and lead to, well, Nepal ko further bikas.
That's all.
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| paramendra |
Posted
on 19-Mar-03 02:31 PM
Could not access the article. What does it say?
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| somya |
Posted
on 20-Mar-03 09:56 AM
whos deepak gyawali?
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| Bitchpatroll |
Posted
on 20-Mar-03 11:58 AM
Peeps Cut it out!!
Bpokhrel, Mainbatti....if you got issues with Ashu duke it out in yo emails.. No need to bring this up in public. This is old news if you are interested, research the old thread. This whole Gyawali matter has been resolved long time ago. By the way does anyone give a shite about this ? Do not bring domestic politics to poison the masses here keep it to yoselves..Frankly speaking what will anyone gain by reading or not reading that article ? Does it even matter ?
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| Kumar Prasad Upadhyay |
Posted
on 20-Mar-03 04:56 PM
Come on, Bitchpatroll. If you don't like this topic, please be my guest in any of the hundreds of other threads that are running. Why waste your time on people who want to have this discussion. Go ahead. Do your creative writing in some other thread.
KPU
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| ashu |
Posted
on 21-Mar-03 03:04 AM
Bitchpatrol,
Everything we say here, NO matter who says it, is OPEN to question and to
challenge -- all the time.
In that spirit, let us always welcome Bpokharel's, Mainbatti's and others' comments
and inputs. They have as much right to say what they want as anyone else here.
Skepticism is actually healthy, and there is NO need for any of us to take offence, to
be shrilly defensive, to hold grudges, to bad-mouth others behind their backs, or to sulk
in some corner.
On the surface, it may seem like we do nothing here but argue back and forth, but I,
for one, have learnt a great deal about ideas, events, places and people through
these various Web postings.
Let's keep it that way, hai, without any of us telling people what they should post and what they should not.
If one doesn't like a thread, then, one has all the freedom in the world to simply skip it, and life will go on just fine.
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| Bitchpatroll |
Posted
on 21-Mar-03 06:55 AM
On the flipside to both you Upadhaya and Ashu.. Can One have an opinoin ? On one end there is free speech and on the other there is jibberish junk repititous round and round never ending discussions. Not that it matters but why drag on a discussion on why someone did or did not goto Some school ten yrs ago ? That too after the person gave a full explanation on why and what happened...C'mon now
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| ashu |
Posted
on 21-Mar-03 08:12 AM
Bitchpatrol,
You have a valid point.
Agreed.
But let's look at it this way too.
Last week, there was an article, written by Biswo Mani Pokharel (a journalist I know,
and he knows me too) in Kantipur national daily. The article was extremely critical of Deepak Gyawali . . . to the point of ridiculing him
Now, given my earlier strong support (in November '02 or so) of DG, I can understand why some Sajha folks would want to see how I would react to that last week ko article.
And so, posting the link to that article, someone named BPokhrel asked me: "what do u say to this [article]?"
I think that's a perfectly fair question to ask.
Agreeing with the tone of that question, Mainbatti -- another poster -- added: "I will also be looking forward to Ashu's response . . ."
Again, that's OK too.
This is how debates/discussions and kura-ani proceed forward, and that's all right.
Keep in mind that both BPokhrel and Mainbatti were, as a matter of substance, talking about FRESH issues (i.e. the article) and were NOT, to be fair to them, digging up old ones, as you seem to be saying.
I appreciate their curiosity: they may not have gotten the replies they wanted from me, but why be critical of them for digging up old issues when in fact they have added FRESH dimension to the topic?
That's all, yaar.
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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