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| bhedo | Posted
on 20-Mar-03 05:43 PM
This is so damn hilarious. Where I live(Washington, DC), there are tons of poor and homeless people. We could have done something for them with that $22 million , goddammit. How about thinking of our own domestic problems for a change??? Use common sense, if you wanna be altruistic. WASHINGTON - President Bush (news - web sites) on Thursday authorized up to $22 million in assistance for those fleeing Iraq (news - web sites). Bush said the money may be needed "to meet unexpected urgent refugee and migration needs that are anticipated in the event of a future humanitarian emergency in the Middle East." The money can go to international, governmental and nongovernmental groups, Bush wrote Secretary of State Colin Powell (news - web sites). U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan (news - web sites) proposed Thursday using money from Iraqi oil sales to buy food and medicine for Iraqis and refugees fleeing the U.S.-led war. But he argued that the United States bears "primary responsibility" for humanitarian assistance during and after the military strike. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030321/ap_on_go_pr_wh/war_bush_aid_2 |
| surya | Posted
on 20-Mar-03 05:56 PM
When you have made up your mind that he is a moron, nothing he does... whether it is allocating $$ for addressing the AIDS pandemic in Africa or helping Iraqi citizens who have suffered.. matters now, does it? No arguement about how lack of resources to address domestic issues. But still. I have my doubts about Bush, but I don't think he is the moron most folks would like to paint him out to be. Check out this article http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=6749 which echos a feature on Bush in the last issue of the Atlantic Monthly. Both writers are liberals, but it's interesting for a change to see how these writers are going beyond what one would expect them to say and think about this president... Though of course the claim that Bush is Lincoln in the making strikes me as outrageous even in light of the fact that was supposedly Lincoln was a conflicted and reluctant proponent of the abolishing slavery. |
| bhedo | Posted
on 20-Mar-03 06:08 PM
As I said, we need to clean up our own neighborhood before thinking of someone else's well-being. African Americans have the highest AIDS rate in America. How about allocating money to educate more African American youths about this crisis? And Surya, I agree with Vdare's statement regarding this war against Iraq. Plagiarized from Vdare.com The long-awaited outbreak of the Iraq war is a somber moment, and especially for those of us at VDARE.COM. In the wake of 9/11, we argued that the answer to terrorism within the U.S. was immigration reform and border control. Other articulate voices have been raised in agreement, notably the columnist Michelle Malkin, whose best-selling book Invasion was written in explicit response to the security failures exposed by 9/11. But virtually nothing has been done. Instead, Americas establishment is committed to seeking a foreign policy answer to terrorism, of vast ambition and indefinite scope, on the other side of the globe. Whatever the merits of this answer, it cannot be denied that a fraction of the resources devoted to it would have sealed the borders and ended the illegal immigration crisis. . . . . At a time when Americans might be expected to unite, National Review has chosen to celebrate the outbreak of hostilities with an article by David Frum calling for a jihad against unpatriotic conservatives who have been critics of the war. These conservatives, Frum says, are thinking about defeat, and wishing for it, and they will take pleasure in it if it should happen. This is a shocking allegation which in a calmer moment Frum may well regret. For the record, VDARE.COM wishes for an American victory. We also hope for few casualties. VDARE.COM makes a brief cameo appearance in Frums article because of a letter we published celebrating as he puts it - the work of Professor Kevin MacDonald of California State University at Long Beach. Frum did not explain that the letter was in fact commenting on an essay about MacDonalds books by John Derbyshire Frums own colleague at National Review. Frum may disagree with MacDonalds application of evolutionary psychology concepts to Jewish organizations and their activities. He may even be right. But the issue (as Derbyshire obviously thinks) is a legitimate subject for debate. And, especially, it cannot remotely be considered unpatriotic. . . . |
| bhedo | Posted
on 20-Mar-03 06:14 PM
Well, I don't completely hate Bush. I love his personality and his directness . An ideal president would be, IMO, Bush's personality +Clinton's brain. |
| surya | Posted
on 20-Mar-03 06:26 PM
Clinton is a moron. I'll check out vdare later. looks intersting. thanks. |
| DWI | Posted
on 20-Mar-03 06:48 PM
$22 million is not a big amount, compared to what other nations (take Israel for example) are getting and is nothing compared to the budget projected for the War (about 100 billion, part of which will goto Israel, Turkey and Jordan). In a recent debate with Republican senators, similar question was raised; the senators who support Bush were asked if it justifies to aid those allies during war, when there is a village in Pennsylvania that desperately needs big financial aid. Among other reasonings, the representatives brought up the point that the domestic problems will be handled accordingly, where as the war is the imminent problem. Besides, the tax payers are with Bush and his plans Apart from the humanity concerns, I think this move is necessary conclusion to the war. Many nations already have a bad rapport on US, but those who still view US as a just force would find a solace on seeing that US won't abandon the Iraq like any other powerful tyranny. It gives a powerful justification to the war, either true or not. It supports the theme that one of the reason that Saddam must leave is for the better of the Iraqi people, which is a good concern for US...though many will vouch to oppose the idea. Even I have doubts, but the move is definately not a stupid one. |
| eminem8 | Posted
on 20-Mar-03 08:42 PM
Well You guys still dont get the big picture, do you? Right at this moment bush dont give a damn about the homeless in DC, or educating African Americans, and he is keeping those damn cold fingers crossed till they turn numb that the general public will forget about them as well. Acuse Bush has already lost that battle, the battle at home to make the economy and lifestyle any better. Unemployment is the highest it has been since the great depression. His only hope is to win next time is if he can bring some victories. against whom and for what is certainly out of the question for the majority of bush supporters, so he is gonna go for anything. The fact that Iraq was relatively harmless to US is certainly not gonna dawn upon the people here, nor are they gonna realise the huge amount of Iraqui casualties due to this war(Hundreeds are gonna die, and thousands homeless, the infrastructure of the country will be destroyed. You dont really believe that those 'high official's buildings' they bombed just had those high officials and no women or children, and dont even give me those shit they have been saying about those smart bombs what do they go find the guilty and explode, and if there are innocents there those bombs will turn around and go home?). To them, this war is to 'liberate' the iraqis from the hands of a cruel dictator and to make sure there will be no more 'terrorist' attacks in the US. Ofcourse everybody has gotta drive so if coincientally the price of gas goes down, then everybody goes home happy. If all these work out as planned, Bush thinks it is a straight victory for his next term, and sadly, it very well might be. Thus, Bush is neither a moron nor a genius, he is just another politician, working hard to make sure he wins. You know what they all say, ofcourse we want to do good things for the country, but it is not possible without winning the election, so you gotta do what you gotta do. About those donations, a lot more will be taken back in the form of oil, ofcourse it will be paid for, but in whatever price US wants it in, and in whatever form. I was watching CNN and the reporter was saying ".....if the land forces advance at this rate by tomorrow we will have owned the oil wells in Southern Iraq..........". I would like to emphasis the phrase 'owned the oil', at this moment. This whole event is nothing but a bully at school bullying a small kid for their lunch. The big bully will put his arms around the kids who give him part of their lunch, if you dont like it, well there are different consequences you could face. You could be pushed around and threatened, get rejected by other kids, and ultimately, as in this case, beaten up severly. Shady |
| Raksiya | Posted
on 21-Mar-03 06:06 AM
Eminem, Very well said. " Bush is neither a moron nor a genius, he is just another politician, working hard to make sure he wins." He does anything to win the next election. Also note that he's an oil business man too. "If the land forces advance at this rate by tomorrow we will have owned the oil wells in Southern Iraq..........". Explicitly, that's his strategy, more than oust and disarm totalitarian Saddam.... Anyways, very good analysis. I liked your comments. You should probably join the other thread, 'Hasta la bista...' That's more interesting to discuss about the war. |
| surya | Posted
on 21-Mar-03 06:17 AM
"Owned the oil well"... didn't you say the REPORTER said it? So how come you're attributing that comment to BUSH or the adminstration?? |
| eminem8 | Posted
on 21-Mar-03 08:18 AM
OOO You trying to tell me you really beileve the midea here to be a free media. Free of the 'influence' from the government. If you do, you dont watch CNN regularly. Shady |
| surya | Posted
on 21-Mar-03 08:20 AM
YOu are right. I don't watch CNN. It is usually really poor journalism. |
| SITARA | Posted
on 21-Mar-03 08:43 AM
Bhedo "awed, shocked and dismayed" !When we need that money at home to build schools, neighborhoods and children's future! 50% of the children at the school where I teach are needy.... they depend on charity for warm clothes. Many schools in PG county don't have AC, class-rooms, teachers and/or library facilities. And I rest my case: As an educator fighting to get sufficient funds FOR THE CHILDREN OF AMERICA.... I have a different perpective (from experience) of better ways to spend the amount....any amount! These are real issues for me and the kids I teach...it is heartbreaking for me and don't find it worth my while to be agressive about "to War or Not to War" because I know the war the kids of US face NOW and In the FUTURE!...Not a political war but a personal, poverty stricken war of the destitute! One does not have to look across the oceans to LIBERATE and SERVE the Poor and the oppressed!!! PEACE!!! |
| eminem8 | Posted
on 21-Mar-03 09:44 AM
well, correct me if i am wrong here, lady. But you are saying that children in america are needy. Well, they might not have freaking ACs in the room, but lady most parts over the world, including iraq, we are talking about children not having SCHOOLS, even if there is it is hours walk away, can you even imagine that. Well, that would be ok if they got to go to school at all, now wouldnt it? Most of them have to stay back to complete their chores. You talk about children needing warm clothes, well i have been here for a while too, but i havent seen a naked kid around, hell i aint even seen a kid shivering from cold. You think kids in iraq are that fortunate. Or anywhere else?? it is true to look at home first, but listen to my theory too..... imagine this world to be a country, well a monarchy, isnt US practically the king, i mean lets face it, UN has proved to be absolutely useless. Well, we were mad at our monarchs before democracy that they didnt look out for the citizens. If US dont give a damn about other 'people' what is the difference between this country and any other dictators, even Saddam, for example. Ofcousre i believe there is absloutely no difference between Bush and Saddam, but..... Shady |
| SITARA | Posted
on 21-Mar-03 09:54 AM
Eminem8 ji I am NOT going to correct you nor refute anything you are saying. When I compare PG county kids, I compare it within a larger context of a RICH US....and NOT with the kids of a THIRD WORLD/ War-ridden country!!!! It is called a Cultural /Economic relativism and/or contextual comparision! And, if you have not seen a destitute child....well you have been extremely fortunate!!!!! I hope you don't have to come across homeless kids living in dumpsters! |
| eminem8 | Posted
on 21-Mar-03 10:20 AM
Of course, You are just considering the situation at'home', i.e. here in the US. And situations at some third-world war-ridden countries are totally out of the subject. By the way, would you happen to know anything about Nepal, by any chance, another one of those war- ridden third world country. Yep, Nepal falls in exactly that categorey that is totally out of your scope of 'discussion'. And hey, i have not been that fortunate, cause i have seen plenty of naked hungry kids lying in dumpsters, a lot more than the number in DC, i am sure, in this third world war-ridden country called Nepal. Shady |
| SITARA | Posted
on 21-Mar-03 11:59 AM
Eminem8 ji I have seen enough in Nepal and elswhere too but you will have to excuse me if I don't go into a discussion about the "scope" of my knowledge regarding children in Nepal; poverty, childlabour, childtrafficking, abuse..... But I am glad you are concerned about them. |