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| YoUnGblOOdz |
Posted
on 30-Mar-03 03:10 PM
GIMME HELL YA>> IF YA"LL AGREE IN KILLIN THESE BASTARD
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| YoUnGblOOdz |
Posted
on 30-Mar-03 03:10 PM
The negotiating team of CPN (Maoist) from the left Dev Gurung, Krishna Bahadur Mahara, Dr Babu Ram Bhattarai, Ram Bahadur Thapa (Badal) and Matrika Yadav hold hands after the Press Conference at BICCI, Baneshwore on Saturday.
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| kewl |
Posted
on 30-Mar-03 04:02 PM
YoUnGblOOdz ,
That was exactly what I was thinking about. If I was there in press conf, I would have killed each of them by shooting them on their forehead.
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| ashu |
Posted
on 30-Mar-03 04:43 PM
When asked about the murders of Krishna Mohan Shrestha and his wife Nudup, Baburam is said to have replied, "If you start asking such questions, it will not help the 'baartaa' process."
Ironically, the very phrase "baartaa process" has become the latest extortionary Maoist tool. They seem to be saying, "If you ask uncomfortable questions, we'll head back into the jungle" leaving you the imagine the dire consequences.
End of discussion.
On a larger note, unless there's an independent commission -- validated by the rules of international laws and so forth -- to look into the crimes against humanty committed by BOTH the government and the Maoists in the last seven years in various parts of Nepal, and then take the necessary legal actions (i.e. pardons, incarcerations, shorter sentences, etc) against the perpetrators, there will be NO cleansing off of the blood that we will continue to live with REGARDLESS of whether there is peace or not.
I mean, what good is peace if it comes at the expense of legally-validated justice?
In Nepal, often there is this reluctance to put a legally-vlidated closure to the nastiness of the past: The Anil Report, for instance, never saw the light of the day in 1991. As a result, many ex-Panchas, instead of paying for their excesses, remain our netas who now preach us the virtues of democracy. [At thi rate, expect Babu Ram to give a lecture on non-volence on Buddha Jayanti while inaugurating a sports event for the blind!]
Likewise, there are now attempts to hide a report, recently prepared by "Sampati Janch-Booj Commission" that alleges that some of our self-declared democratic netas generously helped themselves to the national treasury. Expect the report to be sidelined, with everyone going home happy.
Why rock the boat?
Why give a damn about the fundamentals of a liberal, decent, fair society?
We all wish for change.
But we have no stamina, no dedication, no stick-to-it-ness to get the change we want.
Why it that we are dreadfully afraid to make enemies, to get into and out of conflicts and to get the change we want?
We are just too eager to get along without asking hard questions about one another.
Viewed this way, is it any wonder that we will see photos like this all the more in coming days?
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| tick |
Posted
on 30-Mar-03 05:30 PM
Ashu ji,
Well said. I wouldn't be surprised if Baburam Bhattrai would be a non-violent chief guest in a social event and Girija be the chief guest where the non-corrupt people are honored. What an irony??
The bottom line is how can peace prevail? When any thing and everything else is going wrong in the global context there is one thing going good in Nepal, that is cease-fire. The criminals should be punished that are directly involved in the criminal activities including killings, extortions, bank looting etc.
People who are guilty of committing crimes by honoring criminals we are making mockery of human dignity, decency and civilization.
Hope we will find a way to punish the criminals and embrace the needs and find solution to the problems that made maobadis rise in the rural areas.
So many people have died; even the existence of a society that we call it our own is in the verge of never ending violence. Can Nepal once again be a place where people can go about their business without being worried or concerned that they will be killed or stalled?? Will we ever be able to free ourselves from violence? Will having a gun law like Texas be a solution, perhaps?
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| MadMax |
Posted
on 30-Mar-03 05:56 PM
I agree with Youngbloodz. These jungle commie monkeys should be lined up and exterminated like Hitler did to Jews. They deserve no "barta process." I hate these damn commies bastards.
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| acharya |
Posted
on 30-Mar-03 06:19 PM
what's stopping the government to shoot all of them right there in the convention center while they make their speeches? Why is it so hard for the government when almost all of them have appeared together and are within its control ? Shoot them damn it!
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| MainBatti |
Posted
on 30-Mar-03 06:31 PM
Murkha sanga daiba daraauchha, they say. Shooting these people right in their heads right now might help us overcome our anger for a while, but in the long run, that will be the most unfortunate event ever. These are not the only people fighting. There are many like them. And many are innocent and still following them because they do not know who they are following. So we can not shoot everyone who is following them, because then we will be destroying the same thing we are trying to protect right now.
Now people, cross your fingers and hope these people do not go back to jungle. If Nepal remains in its present state--or becomes better--we will always have time to sue them and punish them.
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| ashu |
Posted
on 30-Mar-03 07:10 PM
Madmax wrote:
"[They should be llined up and exterminated like Hitler did to Jews."
Madmax,
What Hitler did to the Jews was NOT very nice. Hitler's racist crimes went against all norms of human decency, dignty and rights. He went after the Jews just because
they were Jews.
In fact, Hitler's men and women were later tried for their crimes and were punished by
a tribunal which by the way, went on to establish a number of precedents on matters
of how to handle trials related to war crimes/genocides.
Hitler's men's and women's saying that they were just following orders did not help
them at the time of their trials. The hunt for ex-Nazis is still on, after more than 50 years, in parts of South America.
For a detailed legal account of the Nuremberg Trials, please visit:
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/proc/count.htm
*****
I, for one, am NOT asking for revenge against the Maoists. Blood for blood or guns for guns will get us nowhere but to the path of more violence.
What I am asking for is this:
That we start putting legal structures in place so that crimes against Nepali citizens (committed either during war or peace) can be legally examined, with perpetrators -- no
matter whose sides they are on -- are punished by a variety of means ranging from pardons to life-long imprisonment.
This process of coming to grips with the past is very important if we wsh to go forward as a liberal, open, law-abiding democracy that respects the basics of human decency and dignity.
If we, like Babu Ram, start saying "facchya" (i.e. "you killed this many people, and we killed that many people, and that's "facchya" or we are even and never talk about it"), then, that means there is something deeply wrong with the way this peace process is about to proceed.
I mean, you can't let deaths of 8000 Nepalis from both sides NOT haunt you and your peace process. They deserve some sort of a closure.
Sure, the work of such a tribunal wll be long, tedious and difficult, taking years and years. But then, nobody ever said that living in a democracy is an easy, mechanical process.
And this is my worry: So eager we n Nepal seem to want to take this "mel-milaap" short-cut, and so ready we seem to brush off inconvenient details (such as who did what to whom during the last seven years) that we may end up living with violent peace at the end.
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| kewl |
Posted
on 30-Mar-03 07:11 PM
"Dr. Babu Ram Bhattarai, addressing a press conference in Kathmandu for the first time since the launch of the armed insurgency seven years ago, has called for what he called "new system of government" for the protection of the gains of the popular movement of 1991 and the rights of the people."
So to protect the gains of popular movement of 1991 and rights of the people 10000 people had to die. So called Badal and Matrika yadav says that unification of Nepal by Prithivi Naryan shah dev was not real "unification" and thir party will be able unite Nepal... After hearing these guys speaking, I feel it should be King who should guide this country out of this turmoil.
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| acharya |
Posted
on 30-Mar-03 09:01 PM
Ashu,
the yale university link that you mentioned happens to serve as a good resource for me for my paper that's due next week!
Thanks man!!
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| rajunpl |
Posted
on 31-Mar-03 01:28 AM
Generally speaking story of the hitler and the maoist regime is the story of the two different world.The image of the hitler even in these days is bad by the german nationalists.NAZI regimes even in these days can be found around the rhines doing the racial attacks.
The concentrated wealth by the jews (like the present nepalese "eastablishment") was the only focussed target.Then the hitler was loved by the every labour class and the second class citizen.The militery/economic/industrial development in the hitler time also notable.The catastrophe with the jews then was just like the present american FP.Hitler was equally hated by the british,french,polish,austrian and all those western europe.
MAOIST,Till certein degree their demand were acceptable.Some of their major demand are inevitable for the nation.I am quite surprise looking the views of the people here.One doesn't have to be fanatically obsessed with the other party principle and the demands.Like If you are the true son of your nation you have to listen all and see what good they have....?
Nepal in childish urbanisation/democracy/civilisation has long way to go and many things to learn. The conflict and the catastrophe going to the nation is nothing new.They are the symptoms of the pre-democracy.Even if you look at the history of the developed country they did have the same sort of happenings . Like they suffer many in the abolishion of ABSOLUTE/CONSTITITIONAL/PARLIAMENTARY MONARCHY.
So, YBlood,There is nothind to be aggressive.If you have that sort of intention there is no harm but do you think it works..?
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| ashu |
Posted
on 31-Mar-03 04:31 AM
Acharya,
Glad to be of service to you.
And therein lies -- for me anyway -- the quiet pleasure of posting info, thoughts, comments and views on Sajha, and then learning that such an act, on occasions, is
of service to people I have never met :-)
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| isolated freak |
Posted
on 31-Mar-03 06:03 AM
I personally don't think violence is the solution but this does not mean that there shouldn't be a fair trial held, like the one in Nuremberg or Tokyo. Atrocities from either side should not go unpunished.
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| tick |
Posted
on 31-Mar-03 08:37 AM
Amen to Ashu ji and Isolated Freak ji.
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| kewl |
Posted
on 31-Mar-03 09:24 AM
"They smiled and shook hands firmly before proceeding to the podium where they jointly distributed prizes and commendation letters to journalists on the sixth anniversary of the Reporters' Club. "
WHAT AJOKE!!
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| Deep |
Posted
on 31-Mar-03 12:09 PM
Yes, let the things setlle for now. Let the peace prevail.. Let them hang around freely. Let them forget the jungle...let them enjoy the singhadurbar life for sometime then let's bring them to justice.
But if we want to bring them to justice we should with vogor never forgive them for what they have done. Let them count their days while looking at the cloudy sky with diabetes and high blood pressure from their jail compund in the sinking days of thier lives...let them realize what a life means!
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| Deep |
Posted
on 31-Mar-03 12:12 PM
...But if we want to bring them to justice we should, with vigor, never forgive them for what they have done.
let's see if we can do this. If not, let's just practice saying "Baburam" ..."Jindabaad". We are good at it.
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| yOuNgBlOoDz |
Posted
on 01-Apr-03 07:23 PM
freak ji...
i think today VIOLENCE is the solution for every problem..
u have problem with sumone go hit him/her.. no him/her no problem
u don't like saddam.. go BOMB OVER BAGDAD..
u have problem with nepalese government.. kill hundreds/thousands of innocent nepalese people.. like maoist did
u have problem with maoist.. HANG EM TILL DEATH.. if that dont' satisfy ya.. cut em into pieces.. actually don't hang em.. just cut em into pieces.. so that they know wuts going on.. n divide each pieces to 75 dist. we got in nepal..
YB
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