Guys, I thought i should post a conversation between me and my friend from last night..
I did not edit any text, they are as is, but edited for clarity and ommited some foul languages. thank you for reading. all opinions are welcome
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me: kay chha ta tero bichar nepal ko baare ma
bajracharya: difficult question
me: kina difficult..
just an opinion
doesn't have to be analytical
bajracharya: what happened right now seems a good thing, but when i hear prachanda say nepal will be like europe in next 10 years.. i find it stupid
me: all communist say that whenever they need to win people's heart
bajracharya: i am concerned about the kind of hostility against kathmanduities from others
me: well.. that has been in existence for a long long time mitra
hoina ra
la ta afai bhanta... can nepal survive as sovereign republic as oppose to sovereign monarchy
bajracharya: but now its more evident and there are people who will always try to exploit situations like this
me: even if the monarcy is ceremonial, or just like sweden or norway, i think nepal should stay monarchy..
of course... everyone will exploit..
they have to, to fullfill their plans and programs
bajracharya: i personally think monarchy should be abolished
me: kina
bajracharya: what is a king good for
me: well.. there are many ways we can look king for..
what KG did in 2003, was a mistake..
bajracharya: i do not believe in one inheriting a position like that just being someone's son
me: a big time mistake becuase of his ill advisors.
bajracharya: he is a stupid guy
me: well.. there is a difference between ruling king and a ceremonial king..
bajracharya: when i look at his interviews i see a guy who is high on some kind of hallucinating drug
me: i think.. king is importat because.. he is only symbol of unity in such a diverse country
we can all say we have a king.. but once he goes, we just become divided..
maoists haave already divided the country by the ethnicty rather than, geography
bajracharya: well you can say you are a citizen of a country called nepal
yes that is what i disagree
me: what does the citizenship have to do with monarchy...
bajracharya: that divison thing is totally ridiculos
me: yeah..
bajracharya: you should divide the countries based on other things like : industrial city, city for education, city for entertainment things like that.. seems to make more sense
and any development in the country should move out of kathmandu
me: well.. i love the idea of democracy becuase that is the only way to express our true identity and feelings
but, at the cost of monarchy.. i don't agree. becasue.. once the monarchy is gone, you know that our leaders will certainly exploit our country to india's interest, thus alienating china..
i agree. that all development should move out of kathmandu, but haven't we been trying to do that since 1980
bajracharya: i don't think so
me: gau farka rastryia abhiyan
afno gau afai banau
etc etc
bajracharya: what happened during that
why do i see millions of engineering campus in KTM
all major offices in kathmandu
me: who is going to do that when the country is turmoiled in political delimna
bajracharya: if they have to build something big, its always kathmandu
do what
me: yes, because that is only economically feasible place for all businessmen and political leaders to benefit from
do what ko answer : going back to other settllings other than kathmandu
but, if republic is going to bring peace... i darn well support it..
bajracharya: well you can always impose a policy saying you can no more open a engineering campus in KTM
me: all i want to make sure, as a citizen, is to walk on the streets without having to worry about being killed, or extorted
bajracharya: go open that in hetauda
or naryanghat
or i don't know janakpur
me: too expensive..
bajracharya: well those who open those schools make money like hell
so they have to bear the expense if they want to build it
me: and remember... we have only one international airport..
bajracharya: build another one
me: that's why it is cheapest in kathmandu, when you talk about economic commodities..
bajracharya: or build local airports
me: where is the $$$$$
to build another one
bajracharya: king has it
me: nepal doesn't
nepal doens't have money brother
bajracharya: use birendras property
me: king...
s**t..
king is broke..
bajracharya: i don't buy that
me: that's why he had to step down in what we know as jana andolan 2
if he had $$$, he would have still been the de facto ruler of nepal
birendra's got nothing anyore..
bajracharya: what would he have done with money
me: they are all gone..
bajracharya: well where are they gone
me: got more millitary..
army was directly under the supervison of the king
if he had not stepped down in june...
i mean by june,,
nepal would have been bank rupted
dude.. he spent them all in the three year rule.
export decreased by over 20%..
tourism collapsed completely
how is nepal going to make money..
forget borrwoing..
no one was loaning nepal under the direct rule
he tied to sell some hydro proects
and some govt corporations such as NEC and NTC...
bajracharya: he should have sold some hasish
me: hah hahahahahah
yeah.. but nepal monarchy has taken $$$$ from US not to do that
so, that wasn't going to happen
if KG did that, then he woul dhave been another KB
this is what is going to happen to nepal.. i think
PM bajracharya: happen what
me: the king will be abdicated by the CA.. no doubt..
bajracharya: CA ?
assemly
ok
me: then, there will be an election to the House,.. where.. there will be no majority..
uml and maoists will form a joint govt
nepal will be a communist state and will be isolated from the international community
back to basics and dark ages.. when people will be tired in 10 yrs.. (just like eastern europe of the last decade)..
then, we will ask india to help us restore peace..
india sends in the millitary.. (remember china will not like it).. but india will make a deal
if india agrees to ratify that tibet is chinese land, the chinese wouldn't care the fate of nepal
bajracharya: haa
me: now, it does becuase nepal is the only country in the world that ratifiies that tibet is chinese land
bajracharya: straightforward cha tero prophecy
me: once, they find an accomplice.. ey would just f**k nepal
bhanai matrai ta ho ni
hunu ra nahunu ta malai kay thaha
bajracharya: hoina this sound more reasonable
me: 2003 mai hunu parney ganatantra.. aba 2007 ma hunchha
bajracharya: because i donot see anything positive that might happen
me: tehi bhaneko..
i mean.. imagine the nepalese diversity..
bajracharya: there is too little interest for smart people to stay there
me: the south is full of hindu madhesis, who have been isolated by the western hilly bahuns and chhettris
bajracharya: everyone gets out of there
me: eastern hill billies are just rais and limbus...
they are all about noon ko sojho
so, we have 4 blocks of ethnic regions
the southern madhesis
the western bahuns and chhetri land lords
the eastern lahures
and kathmandu valley newars
do u even see a single reason why they would be united with one value with out the king
i do not see any..
bajracharya: why would they be united because of the kin
g
me: the best way is to abdicate, KG, Prince Paras.. and restore King Hridayendra as the first King of new kingdom of nepal
bajracharya: hahaha
me: because.. 86% of nepalese are hindu and when u add 10% buddhist.. we have 96% of people who follow the concept of king
what a hindu do without a king
up until now, we have a hindu king ..
bajracharya: don't ask me that i denounce religion
me: unless we accept king bhumibol abdulyaj as the our king.. then.. it is okay
but he is not a hindu king.. he is buddhist
i understand.. u denounce.. it
bajracharya: who the f**k is that
me: but not 86% of nepalese
king of thailand
bajracharya: hahahaa
i guessed
me: hoina ra
you see.. i don't follow any specific religion myself..
but, i enjoy and celebrate the traditions i grew up with
bajracharya: the problem is with people being illiterate.. and they always been in a situation where they are willing to accept to be under a control of some superior being - in nepal - its the king
me: yeah. and that is what KG forgot.. i tried to tell him that in so many ways..
but he never listened
he he he..
aba jey hunchha november 26 pachi thaha hunchha
with the interim constitution..
the worst thing is that.. they have isolated all the other parties as well..
bajracharya: so the solution is to establish favorable conditions so that people get literate enough and learn to understand their self-dignity
me: only SPA and Maoists
well.. we are too late..
bajracharya: they need to be made responsible themselves, not suppressed and let some selected few to write their destiny
me: the solution is to go ahead with the new interim constituition.. abdicate king by next year.. held a new election for the houses.. elect a prime minister.. etc..
and continue with the new developlment..
bajracharya: and this is also because of the caste system and how higher caste has exploited the system to always suppress people below them
me: but let the CA decide the fate of the monarchy
bajracharya: and hack religion in the name of culture
me: well.. that happens everywhere
not just caste system but also class system
u think they don't do that in china, or england or usa
bajracharya: but in nepal the situation is worse because religion is very deep rooted faith that makes people hallucinated like the muslim extremists are
me: tara.. one new agency must be constitutionalized
yeah.. but religion is not really the problem in nepal
religion is doing fine..
bajracharya: religion per se is the root of all evil.. but i understand wht you are saying
me: u cannot just change the religion of the people.. unless u are justinian or muhammad
bajracharya: i am talking about everwhere in general in the case of religion
me: right .. right..
bajracharya: i am more that that - i say you don't need religion
me: well.. religion (wiht this i mean dogmatic doctrines)... will continue to exist.. until one cannot solve the problem of creation
bajracharya: you need to be taught values and respect
me: i mean explain creation with complete evidence
u see.. until this is not found, no one can change the concept of GOD and his mighty experiment with life and planets and stars
bajracharya: i personally donot need to believe in some fancy myth to understand some thing that has not been explained.. but i am also not against someone believing that bramha masturbated and the earth was a ball of his solidified semen
me: well.. myth are only stories.. to explain metaphorically
if u look at the origin of the hindu doctrine, it was never meant to be a religion
bajracharya: what i am against is someone who believes that trying to sell that as a book of rules by literally brainwashing people
me: true.. very true.. and that is wrong
bajracharya: yes.. of course i am fine and appreciate all the philosophical underpinnings
me: and yes.. it is corrupted
everyone performs an act to complete their satisfaction and full fill their desires
hinduism got corrupted because of purans and upaniseds..
but, they were so interesting that people loved it and adorned it, instead of deeply understanding what sakharacharya had to say.. or the vedas had to say
vedas are too difficult.. but sakaracharya explained quite easily the concept ...
bajracharya: ok i don;t have good knowlege of these
me: but after his death.. .
bajracharya: who is sankaracharya
me: everything became ulta and pulat
sankarachaya was a very revered guru in south india..
bajracharya: ok wikipedia ma herdai chu
me: who gave the concept of advaidya vedanta
bajracharya: kailay padhis yesto kura haru tailay
me: kahiely kahi
tehi bhaneko..
yo sab.. puran ra.. upanised ley bigaryo kya
aba tyo change garna ta.. arko buddha janminu parchha
bajracharya: well those are things that cannot be solved in a lifetime
me: tehi ved ko kura lai, buddha ley karma yoga ko rup ma manchhey lai dekhaidiyo..
mouka ma chauka.. yo m**i bahun haru lai ka chahiyo..
buddha marney bittikai... india ma.. tai ho ni..
bajracharya: what you need is to make everyone be able to access this knowledge whatever you are telling me
me: vishnu ko avatar ko concept aayo..
it is already there..
bajracharya: people need to be be educated with these
me: how else can we approach them
bajracharya: and thats what the country should focus right now
me: ahiley in india there is a gorup of people who are doing something like this
they called themselves rationalist.. and trying to change people's concept of accepting mysticism, mythology and magic
and how, philosophy and daily actual life is more important than having a blind faith..
such as... saibaba
many people think he is god..
bajracharya: it doesnot have even have to be directly teaching them rationalism, you just first have to make them able to read these stuffs by their own and facilitate an environment where they can question against what is imposed on them
me: in denver.. euta ghar ma sai baba ko photo bata bibhuti khasyo rey
bajracharya: hehe
me: u see.. that is the problem with places like in nepal and india..
finding a common ground to facilitate
not all are educated so, cannot mass communicate with newspaper..
forget radio and televison..
bajracharya: you can start with schools, libraries,
those are the things the government really have to build
me: they would bring out ample time for mahabharat and ramayan...
so, it is called direct call for action at grass root level...
government is not going to spend a penny on this..
they do not benefit anything out of this..
in fact they can exploit this for thier own benefit
bajracharya: so unless some good soul in government starts this we cannot expect good
me: just like prachanda did..
yeah.. now u are talking..
that's why i said.. we need a new constituitonal agency that checks the activitiy of the government and policy makers
bajracharya: they should ban any more engineering colleges
there are too many of them
me: well.. we already have authority for abuse and blah blah
but, an agency that is independently operated, that keeps records of what the leaders have performed and said..
bajracharya: k bhannay aba.. it seems there is no single thing that is right
me: let the life of the agency be 30 years.. for 6 election peiord..
each election, the agency will make all literature avaiale on any leaders that wants to run for the election... in all format for anyone.. publicly..
and let the people decide, if that leader is right for them..
bajracharya: yes but how much of public can read the literature really
me: they don't have to read..
they can listen..
bajracharya: that is the problem.. among all those who can vote, how many of them can actually make a reasonable decision
me: the agency will have authority over what is broadcasted...
bajracharya: even in my case i have mo clue who i should vote for i have to vote now
me: well.. then.. we are now questioning the judgement of the people..
we cannot judge or make analysis of what people decide.. or how their decidison is based on
people is people..
that's it..
bajracharya: that agency thing is something that no one in the government would support
me: that's why they have to be independent
bajracharya: but if that can be established yes it makes sense
me: not just govt but also the members of the house..
the offficers in ministries and department heads... etc
if not through constitution, then may be through people like us..
but, it needs a lot of funding.. which i don't hink any one would be iterested
because. it dones't benefit any international community
the only one benefiting would be nepal
bajracharya: the problem is whenever you see an andolon, you never hear such demands as such agencies
me: and it has to come from nepal
bajracharya: you hear demands like kick the king out or kick girija out
me: because... this agency is a check for them
they do not want hurdle.. they only want a clear track..
i would have done this.. but it needs a lot of funding
bajracharya: and i bet there are smart people who think that there should be such a thing like that agency, so why there is no demand so far
me: dinesh and i have made the plans how we can implement this concept..
bajracharya: who is dinesh
me: mero sathi
tara.. we need a lot of $$$$
which i think is not possible at this stage of our lives..
so, we'll just wiat for the CA election, then the fate of the mnarchy.. then.. the house election
then, we'll go ahead with our plan..
and hopefully in 25-30 yrs.. we have genuine leaders for Nepal