Dear sons and daughters of Nepal,

We do not really know what the situation is like in our country. We have heard more rumours and less facts; and we have made our own judgement based on those rumours. Our opinions have been divided into almost two halves. One half supporting the King's move and the other half opposing the action. Almost all of us who are fortunate enough to live in the west at this torrid time are capable to think sensibly on this issue.So lets contemplate with the love for the country and citizens in mind now.

Some of us may have been victims of atrocities committed by the Maoists. Some may have suffered because of the corrupted political leaders. And some of us may have been the victim of injustice in the Panchayat era and at present. So we are expressing our vengeance against those who have made us to suffer. And therefore we are divided. The citizens who are educated, who have seen how democray functions, who know the fruits of social justice in a developed society; we are divided. And this is not a good sign for the future. Tommorow, we have to take the burden of Nepal in our shoulders. We have to hand the nation to our next generation. We have to make sure that we can hand over a peaceful and prosperous nation to our children and die. Otherwise we are not different to the previous generation which never got the oppurtunity like us to see the democracy and prosperity of the western world. Our children will blame us if we fail to do better things for our country.So let's try to be impartial, let's forget our personal interest, let's put away our vengeance against both sides of the debate.With a cool mind let's discuss what can we do at best to resolve the current crisis from our part. I will try to give my assement in the next thread on what can we expect in the near future and what is best for the country in the coming days. Please put your thoughts, unbiased and pragmatic, without spilling your anguish and hatred to all the sides- political parties, monarchy and maoists.I hope all of you will take part in this debate very seriously.
Newuser.

As many of us have bestowed our unreserved faith to King Gyanendra( 50% of my faith), lets appeal him to make the following restrictions compliying to Anti Social Behaviour (Please suggest the amount to be charged on these offences which will make sure that we won't see these behaviours in the future) .Repetiton of the same offences again will lead to more sever punishment in all cases.


Notice to the public
1. Anybody caught excreting urine or faeces in public places, road sides, river banks or at any other sensitive places (except in dire conditions-when there is no public toilet nearby) will be charged Nrs. - or 1 week in Jail.
2. Anybody caught bullying, shouting, demonstrating vulgur activities and disrupting public by taking alcohol or drugs will be charged NRs.- or 1 week jail.
3.Anybody caught doing explicit sexual actitivites at public or making arrangements on prostitution at public will be charged NRs,- or 2 weeks in jail.
4.Anybody caught throwing rubbish or any other wastes in road side or any other places will be unarranged place will be charge Nrs. or 1 week in jail.
4.People caught spitting ,throwing cigerette pieces or morsel in sensitive area will be warned for the first time and if the offence is repeated, the individual will be charged Nrs. or 1 night in jail.
5.Anybody dismantling or damaging public assets including buildings, transport, infrastructures, furnitures, telephone booths, post offices etc.will be liable to replace or repair the damage.
6. Any pedestrians violating traffic rules will be fined Nrs. or 1 night jail.
7.Anybody trying not to obey the first come first serve and 'according to the time of appointment rule' while seeking services at government offices will be fined according to the severety of the case and jailed appropriately.
8.Anybody begging at places except that are specified by the authority will be jailed for a night. Repeated offence means more punishment.
9.Anybody found travelling on the top of buses or hanging in the vehicles posing danger to their life will be fined Nrs. or a night in jail.
10. Anybody burning tyres at road or causing pollution by doing inappropriate things, or damaging public or private assets will be charged accordingly and be liable to replace or repair the damage.
11. Anyone violating the rules at places where certain rules are specified to be followed, will accordingly be punished.
12.Anybody violating personal rights or disrupting others by any means on festivals like Holy, Dashain, Tihar and others will be charged pelnalties according to the severity of the offences.
13.Anybody caught giving bribes or gifts or any other rewards to public servants will be fined and jailed according to the severity of the offences.
14.Anybody vending or setting up business in the pavements or places subjecting to disrupt the public will be severely fined and punished.
15.Anybody not paying their electricity, telephone and other services bills within a time limit will be cut off from service.
16.Any other criminal offences like beating, torturing, raping, killing,smuggling etc. will be subject to the provison of Nepalese laws.

Guys add other things I couldn't have included.

Notice to the civil cervants:
1.Anybody taking bribes or gifts from public or whoever they are serving knowingly or unknowingly will be sacked immidiately after their guilt is proven.
2.Anybody arriving late, leaving soon or wasting time in the middle will be deducted a day's allowance from their salary on each day they commit the offence.
3.Anybody whose academic certificate or CV is found to be fake or flawed will be suspended from job and sacked if found guilty.
4.Any body who takes the stuffs of the office to his/her home will be fined and punished according to the severity of the offence.
5.Anybody who misuses the resources of the office including telephone, internet, fax, papers and utensils will be punished and fined according to the offence.
6.Anybody who bullies or threatens the public showing his position at the government will be fined Nrs or 1 month in jail.

Security personnel are subjected to following the above rules in addition to one in below:
If someone is killed or tortured or offended while dealt by any security personnel and if he/she is found guilty, it will result in the sacking of the individual.

Add more and lets call the government to implement the above regulations.

In a small(or big?) twist of event,
The US ambassador to Nepal has issued a fresh warning to Mr Gyanendra that he woud block US aid if the ban on Political restrictions are not lifted WITHIN 100 DAYS. Finally, the messiah of Democracy and human rights steps ahead. better late then never.
HOWZ DAT GUYS. Arulai shan dekhauna dinu bhanda afai careful hunuparne thiena ta hamro Rajale?? This may be a 'foreign interferance' in the eyes of mandales. We do think it is, even as democratic. But isn't it good to act shrewdly oneself so that no interference is required??

- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4256491.stm

There was a sudden influx of pro-monarchists in Sajha after the feb 1 move. But it seems they were used by the royalties to defend themselves. They have faded away. Anyway, if there are some more left and have some opinions to defend the King's ban on media and the political activities of the opposing majority, why not continue the debate? Where are you guys? comment on my antisocial behaviour order notice(or do you fall in one of the above catagories?) and the US interferance in the Kings politics.

Newuser

Sajha Ka pancha mandali haru ka haraechhan?

oh guys, where are you hidden?

Or are you going to be appointed in the government position soon? Tulsi Giri all of a sudden appeared in the Palace from no where to swear in as a deputy PM. At least Rayamajhi had the gut to speak his mind but Giri once again treachered. Giri is a typical symbol of mandale. As some of the guys who enjoy democracy in the west and advocate for autocracy in their own country truly represent Tulsi Giri. Extreme oppurtunists. I do not intend to intimidate any one, all of us are free to support anyone we like. But why not we listen to the pro-monarchist's defensive views on the appt. of Tulsi Giri? Raja ko jay jay garne haru bata jawaf paune apechha gareko chhu.

To all the believers in democracy, no matter the 12 years of multi party system failed very badly, democracy is what ultimately delivers good things for people. Believe in your democratic idealogies. And do not give up the hope for good governance under multi party democracy in Nepal. Gyanendra has shown the worst signs ever, if you have any small bit of hope thats vanished in these 2 weeks. Finally we will have to organize and fight against the tyranny.No one can lead us to real democracy except us coz our politicians failed meagerly. So lets make our voice strong from where ever we are in what ever way we can against KG and his bunch of mandales.

If gang of panches venture to defend themselves OR democrats support my opinion, lets score a century in this thread.

Coming up next- Tulsi Giri comes out from banish from India to lead the pancha mantri parishad. What might be the reason?Europe and America call their ambassadors back to their country. Does it exert any real pressure to Gyanendra or is this a face saving move from the double standard west??

i fully agree with u newuser. It is only under democracy that people from all sectors can benefit. Now its the jagjagi of mandales and panches, ranas and shahs. security situaton is detoriating at alarming rate in rural parts of nepal. those who support kings move think that only ktm is nepal. in viallages, it has been easy for the maoists and army to kill innocent people after feb 1 since there is complete ban on these news.

king G is a shrewd despot. he says one thing and does the opposite. With corrupts like Govinda Raj joshi being released, iit is clear that king is doing his offensive only against those who oppose him. And the return of Tulsi Giri (the epitome of mandaleism and oppurtunism) means taht the king is going back to thos black panchayat days.

Dear Newuser,

I have a request for u, may be u would like to contribute your valuable time in this cause. Below is a link to a site, which will direct to some type of discussion forum being run by this site. I checked the site and it says if our comments are without prejudice to any side and not defamatory, they will publish it. I am extremely eager to put our views on this site. May be u want to coordinate in it. I will try to send my opinions within few days. This seems to be real discussion forum to me. Will u plz look at this and confirm whether something concrete and can be raised here.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0502/S00170.htm

Plz reply, if u r going to send your opinions.

"If all mankind minus one were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind."
-- John Stuart Mill

I wonder how many of us can truly understand what Stuart Mill wanted to reveal. Honestly speaking, I couldn't grab much sense out of it. Moreover, here we are many individuals with many interests of our own, so why to bother about the depth of the sea?

Hang on. There's something to contemplate on. Mankind is what the human beings are made up of. Mankind is the protector of all men, so even if only one person is silenced by mankind, this act of mankind cannot be justified.No matter the whole mankind is at one side and a single individual in the other , mankind let's the loner feel free to speak at his will. It doesn't force the individual to agree it's notion. On the contrary, an individual, if with all of his powers can silence mankind, that would be justifiable. Because, he is a person, not mankind. He doesn't have the sympathy, the greatness, the love , the perfection, the adornment for a human being as mankind has. So although he is an absolute minority, he can silence all others by his power. Because he has never realised the greatness of freedom and liberty for mankind, how could he let others exercise that when he doesn't know the greatness of freedom himself? So, he is justified to silence the rest except him with his unparalleled power.

King Gyanendra's latest action are thus justified. I have no strength to debate with his supporters anymore.

In the mean time, lets speak more about democracy. Here many of the political commentators have implied that the politicians after 2046 are the representatives of democracy. Democracy means some 13 years between 2046 and 2059 according to them. The politicians were corrupt meant democracy is corrupt and politicians failed meant democracy fails. As simple as that. Well , no more debate on this.

Another point. with the help of power, an individual can silence the mankind and subsequently his actions are justifiable. Because he is just a man, a man with power. That power is his right to shut others mouth.

He restricts others through power, through guns and finally silences every opposer no matter by carrying genocide and mass murder. So how to prevent genocide and mass murder of mankind?
The answer is by checking the power of an individaul. Don't let any individual person to amass so much power that he ventures to carry genocide just to silence the mankind.

''The way to virtually eliminate genocide and mass murder appears to be through restricting and checking power. This means to foster democratic freedom. ''
- Rudolph Rummel

To oppose democratic freedom in some people's view(not everyones) is to foster genocide and mass murder. Hey where are the King's army and the Maobadi army? Both of you want to foster genocide to silence mankind?


One of my friends. Rather a senior.
He is a great scholar. holds more then three degrees in three different subjects from three universities of three continents. He was one of the few Nepalese intellects(I am not sure by citizenship or origin) who raised the debate of Republicanism in Nepal some time around two years ago. He said, 'now it's time for republic Nepal.' I couldn't understand what he was saying. I said to myself, oh well he may be right. He is such a learned man.

At this time, situations have changed. I mean , can anybody dream of republicanism now? All of us can hardly dream about freedom of speech, republicanism is a far off cry.

The irony is my learned friend knows that the best animal in the world is chameleon. He never studied science however but he is really best in practising practically the theory of Natural selection. I mean yeh. WHat republicanism? Even What democracy and freedom? Freedom is a hell. Republicanism is a non-sensical rant. We must support the King. Lets give him a chance. The King is great. He has power. And if he silences mankind, his actions are justified. Well my learned friend is in another world, a different world from Nepal. The King could not silence him when he campaigned for the republicanism rhetoric and the King don't have to silence him now because he is campaigning for tyranny in the best way he can.

We dont need freedom my friend. The king is justifiable for silencing the Nepalese people. I mean politicians are continue their rant in one or the other way. They are criticising the King through foreign media and in foreign land. But the people are silent.As if there is tranquility all over.

Hi Friends,

This is the news which will give u some idea as to how the king has been able to take such an unprecedented move.

HUM HINDUSTANI: Their extraterritorial loyalty ?J Sri Raman
Ashok Singhal put it succinctly in January, in Kathmandu, at a ceremony to honour King Gyanendra as the world?s only Hindu monarch. Ordained the VHP oracle: ?It is the duty of 900 million Hindus the world over to protect the Hindu samrat (king) ... God has created him to protect Hindu dharma?

Historians warn us against the ?what-ifs? of history. Fussy academic concerns, however, need not stop a newsman?s frivolous and speculative query. What if the Bharatiya Janata Party had headed the government in New Delhi on February 1? What, indeed, if the last general election had gone the BJP?s way and the party had held untrammelled power on the day the King of Nepal placed a partial democracy under suspension?

Of course, in its official reaction to the dramatic development, the BJP has been critical of King Gyanendra Bir Bikram Shah Dev?s action. He had dismissed the quasi-representative government of appointed prime minister, Sher Bahadur Deuba, declaring a state of emergency and taking over all state powers. Said the BJP: ?The events in Nepal have seriously affected the cause of legitimate democracy. India has been consistently supporting the development of a political system that truly reflects people?s aspirations. King Gyanendra?s actions have caused a serious setback to this process.?

No strong denunciation, but a disapproving statement all the same, though it suggests that the suspension of the process is temporary. The statement cleverly avoids comment on the ground ? ?Maoist terrorism? ? the King has cited for his action.

But the BJP, whether as part of a coalition in power or an opposition front, cannot fully and freely represent the far right on such issues. The far right has far less circumscribed fronts ? like the Rashtriya Swaymsevak Sangh (RSS) and the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) ? to speak up on such occasions. They did so repeatedly and in ringing tones whenever the Atal Bihari Vajpayee regime had to resort to the device of double-speak.

They did so, for example, on Ayodhya when the allies would not let the regime proceed beyond paying tributes to the ?nationalist movement?. They did so, too, on Gujarat, when Vajpayee had to condemn the carnage even while vindicating it as a reaction to Godhra. Demolition of the edifice of secularism, they swore, would follow that of the ?disputed structure? of the Babri Masjid. They hailed the Gujarat pogrom and held it up as a model for the rest of the country.

They are playing the same role now on Nepal. No pretence of commitment to principles of democracy dilutes their defence of the King and his action. The stated ground of their defence is the same as his ? ?Maoist terrorism? ? but the true reason is not too remote from their case on Ayodhya and Gujarat. The counter-terrorist argument camouflages, pretty thinly, a cross-border extension of communal fascism.

The always quotable Praveen Togadia of the VHP, who had glorified the police-aided Gujarat pogrom as a great ?Hindu? upsurge, said ?There was anarchy in the Hindu kingdom before the King?s takeover?. He warned that, ?if India remained a mute spectator to the unfolding events in Nepal, China might take advantage of the situation?. VHP president Ashok Singhal, who had proclaimed he was ?proud of Gujarat?, said that ?increased extremist terror targeting innocent people had prompted the palace to dismiss the Deuba government?.

RSS spokesman Ram Madhav sneered: ?I do not understand all this criticism from India. We want democracy to flourish around the world, but what about Goa?? He was referring to the raging controversy over the dismissal of a BJP government in the tourism-centred state, despite a doubtful vote of confidence it won in the assembly under a partisan speaker. Madhav also pointed to the constitutional provision under which the King had acted, though the RSS rejected a similar defence of Indira Gandhi?s infamous emergency in 1975.

The real reason for this special pleading was no secret. Ashok Singhal put it succinctly on January 22, 2004, in Kathmandu, capital of Nepal, at a ceremony to honour King Gyanendra as the world?s only Hindu monarch. Ordained the VHP oracle: ?It is the duty of 900 million Hindus the world over to protect the Hindu samrat (king) ... God has created him to protect Hindu dharma.? Singhal also proposed to organise a world Hindu meet in New York under the King?s leadership. The proposed event ?would project Hindus as a global power... with the Nepalese king leading the way?. Similar sentiments have emanated from the Shankaracharya of Kanchipuram, now facing criminal charges relating to a murder. He denies the police allegation that he was planning to flee to Nepal, but his relations as the ?rajguru? or the palace priest in Kathmandu with Gyanendra (and his brother and predecessor King Birendra) have been as close as with the VHP and the rest of the far-right parivar (family). The Shankaracharya, on a visit to Nepal, proclaimed its monarch as ?the king of all Hindus? and counselled the Nepalese people to support him against ?Maoist insurgents?.

To the parivar, the King of Nepal may be the ?king of all Hindus?. To sections of the far-right ?family?, however, the Hindu kingdom must also be part of a ?Hindu? India. In January 2001, BJP leader KR Malkani kicked up a controversy with his ?revelation? that King Triubhuvan of Nepal had offered his country?s accession to India in the early fifties. Malkani added: ?We should have accepted (the offer).? The BJP, of course, distanced itself from his ?unfortunate? remarks without taking any other action against him.

Long ago, RSS ideologue Guru Golwalker, in his famous ?Bunch of Thoughts?, listed India?s Muslims, Christians and Communists as the country?s main enemies for their ?extraterritorial loyalty?. To far-right political philosophers, loyalty to the king of another country does not fall in the same category.

The writer is a journalist and peace activist based in Chennai, India
Unprecedented

New User:

I have yet to hear from you about the net result that I am so interested in. I am not interested in politics, but the recent event made me really look at what happened to our lives. And I chose to support the king.

Earlier I compared you to John Kerry and it sounds well since all I heard from Mr. Kerry is I have a plan..I have a plan. You have put nice words in your posting. At the end of the day, all I care about is net result.

All I wanna ask you is have our life improved in the last 15 years. I know your answer is no. I dont need but, if, when or how. Just yes or no asnwer!!!!!

Thats all.

Anjanp

I think we don't have to follow what the Indians say about our affairs. As usual Indian politicians, intellects and the media have expressed their opinions in a varied and different way. But we must keep in mind that the crux of Indian foreign relation is lies on some kind of consensus. There is not much difference in the approach which -ever party or coalition comes in power. There are the bureaucrats in South Block who look after the Indian relationship with Nepal and those officials do not change for many years. Hence there is a kind of uniformity and you cannot expect a congress led government in India changing its overall policy on Nepal to make it different from that of the BJP. International diplomacy does not change a lot(Nepal is an exception). Who had expected that a BJP led government in India would extend it's hand for improving relationship with a military led government in Pakistan? The politics and democracy in India has matured a lot. Indians are just trying to sympathize the democrats in Nepal but the bitter truth is they have given a good support to the King from the oblivion. We better should not get concerned with what Indians comment and we should not look for India's role to put our multi-party democracy back in track. We should rather put pressure on the King ourselves. If India is allowed to play a decisive role, it will certainly exploit the situation in it's favour. And one of the reasons that multi-party system failed in Nepal was because our politicians unduly depended on the Indian leaders and bureaucrats.

As far as Salambambi's response is concerned, I am bemused by his comparision between me and John Kerry. First if you think king Gyanendra is George Bush and I am John Kerry that's a big complement for me. Thank you very much for that. Are you ready to back me if I suggest you a better alternative to King G's move? If so, I will have to think about changing my career. ehh hhe he

However as a non-political person with some understanding of politics, I obviously think that King G had a much better alternative with him then stepping up for autocracy. He could have formed a much reliable government by calling some unblemished politicians from Congress, UML, RPP, and other smaller parties instead of gathering infamous panchas of the past and a very corrupted and double std politician in Radha Krishna Mainali in his cabinet. In the last 13 years of multiparty democracy, only 5/600 or so politicians have been MPs or ministers. The parties still have many good visionary leaders who were dominated by corrupt hierarchy in the past and could have been given a chance by the King. No one would oppose his drive against the corrupt lot if he had done this. But the King doesn't want to improve the country's future, he wants to do what ever he likes; as a result a bunch of pro-monarchists are appointed in the new cabinet.

if you want to know what would I do if I was Gyanendra, I already told that I would call the Maoists for a ceasefire agreement immidiately. I would agree on their demand to hold a constituent assembly election within 5 years after bringing stability in the coutry. I would call them to immidiately participate in an all-party government to work together for bringing peace and stability. I would agree to give authority of the mobilization of the Nepalese army to the new government and to the parliament once the new elections are hold. I would let one third of the militarily trained rebels to join the national army and collect their ammunitions for the country's army while detonating explosives and land mines. I would mobilize the rest(2/3rd)of the rebels in various development projects and pay them adequately for their work. I would focus three quarters of the development efforts for Karnali, Seti and Mahakali zones for the coming 5 years. I would nationalise the palace's wealth and decrease the Royal budget. And I would let people decide by referendum on how much role I could play as a constitutional monarch. I would give up my political ambition. Desh ma stability aaepacchi ma chup lagera basthe, mero daju jastai. You know what I mean.

Another thing, KIng G has already done the best possible thing(according to you-Salambambi). And you ask me what can you do or what plans do you have to give Nepal a different option. You don't want,if,would, could, should. SO here's my reply.

I cannot tolerate King G's autocracy. But I don't have power in my hands to displace him. So I have to build up support. There we are, you , me and so many educated and sensible youths in Nepal and all over the country. We are youths and we have the decisive power. If we are united we can change any government. But we should be sensible, not act like a mob and finalise what to do once the Monarchy collapse before starting our movement. Only 20 thousand matured students and youth can oust the autocratic government in Nepal. 20 thousand youths without the fear of death, not letting any political parties to infiltrate inside our band can force Gyanendra to give up. Let a sea of 20 thousand youths with the national flag in their hand march peacefully and head towards the Narayanhiti Palace all at a time, the King's army may shoot 200 but they cannot kill one more. Because they are themselves the sons of Nepalese, they are our brothers. I bet if King Gyanendra continues to ban individual rights and freedom, violence get worsened, people massacred from the army and the maoists, the country in deep anarchy because of the King;not only 20 thousand , two hundred thousand students will voluntarily unite together and march towards the palace. I will readily march in the front row. I will readily give my blood and I believe you can give your blood if our country needs it. We, the politically conscious youths are the final shield to defend our country from foreign intervention.

Now First, we have to call Gyanendra not to force tyranny in the country. If we do it now, we don't need to give our blood. If we let him do what he desires now, a day will come when we must give our blood to displace him from power. So I am calling for the lifting up of the bans on human rights and civil liberties. I think it's sensible for you guys to think as I do. If we pressurize, King G must soften the restrictions. If we don't, one day we will have to give our blood against the King. Or become a dumb spectator and let the Indian or American soldiers come to Nepal in the name of controlling the Maoists.

So which option do you like? 1. Suggest Gyanendra for calling Maoist for ceasefire, agreeing to their demand for constiuent assembly and making an all party government; thus paving way towards a constituent assembly election and a true constitutional monarchy. 2. Lifting the current bans on civil liberties and letting peple to exercise their freedom but pursuing force as a way to control the maoists. 3. Toughening the bans on civil rights and trying to crush maoists with no public and foreign support and making Nepal a failed state. 4. launching a big revolution to overthrow monarchy from the country or looking as a dumb specatator to see the country in the political hands of global and regional superpowers.

The third or the fourth options are the most dangerous. It is a suicidal option for monarchy and I think if we don't have particular interests(swartha), all Nepalese must call Gyanendra to follow the first option. There's no better option at the moment.

We youths are the most powerful force of nepal and now we have to pressurize Gyanendra to choose the first option.

I wonder if you guys read all what I wrote. Terribly long but I hope you were not bored.
Comments and suggestions appreciated.

This is in response to newuser's comments above that "there has been a reduction of promonarchists in sajha now a days....seems like they were royalites sent to extend the king's beliefs". I did not type that the same exact wasy newuser wrote it. I typed what he implied by his earlier statements.

Here's my comment on his/her that statement: Very cheap.

One of those people that he/she referred to as pro-monarchits was "me". And let me clear this up for everyone: I am not a royalite.

I supported a few things about king's move doesn't make me a royalite. Stop using the language of George Bush's administration. They label "anti-american" to anyone who opposes their view. And so do you- in a way. Anyone who opposes your views is now a "Royalite who's spreading king's propoganda" ??????

Is that the most your brain can come up with in your own defense??

Cheap thinking. mate! Cheap thinking.

Poor mickthesick. If you were not a pro-monarchist, you need not have wasted your time to say '''One of those people that he/she referred to as pro-monarchits was "me". And let me clear this up for everyone: I am not a royalite. '''

Yo ta chorle ma chor haina bhane jastai bhayo. Let me tell you I never referred to you. I don't even know if you had commented in this thread before. I referred to some academics who I know personally.

Anyway ''Cheap thinking. mate! Cheap thinking.'' Again, if you had some valuable thinking you could have defended the King with some logical explanations. Those who can't counter words with words, label other's thoughts as cheap.

I challenge you, lets meet at a park and discuss in a democratic way(not like a mandale manner) and find out who thinks cheaply. Reply in a civilized way or don't waste your time again.

NewUser:

May be you did not hear enough from chor netas that no matter how many times you call Mao for a talk, they will never come. Even if they did, it gives them mere an opportunity for their forces to move around. Do you really think they were interested in solving a problem in the last 2 round of talks. It will never happens.

Whatever you said and suggest is nothing more than a copy and paste stuff from pages of speech from netas.

What I am interested is in action and someone who can correct the system who corrupted it. If 24 million has to suffer just in the name of democracy, then I dont need that. I along with 24 million were better off with the old way. We may not be rich, but we had something to eat in our table daily. We may not have driven cars, but we could walk safely on the street.

Therefore, King G deserve chance to rule. If we can live for 15 yrs of total corruption and chaos, I dont mind waiting 3 months or 1 or 3 yrs. May be action is what we needed instead of good bhasan like netas and yours.

After all, that same nice words of politicians are the one trapped us with such a tragic result.

bambi:

king's words are also nice. they won't bring any results, at least with the current strategy. what was the stumbling block in all the failed talks? monarchy! all the talks failed on that one single point - well constituent assembly was also not agreed upon because of the risk to monarchy. and now, after all that loyalty to monarchy, what has the monarch done?

and how can you speak for 24 million people? we had food on our tables. are you speaking for all 24 million people? we could walk safely in the streets. are you speaking for all 24 million people?

15 years of total corruption and chaos? TOTAL? and well it might have seemed like chaos to you because you don't want to hear the voices of the oppressed. people who've never had the good fortune to be able to make their voices heard. and when they speak, it is choas? 15 years of chaos, wow. and you speak for all 24 million people.

tell me, if you have so much hope on G, how will he make our situation better? how?

As someone said in Himal, we are destined to be doomed.

What Nepalese want is "Peace", but what King G is talking about is putting "democracy" on hold and getting back at the "political partys", he has nothing to offer to the "Maoist" so who are the ones who are "killing" the "peace", the "maoist". There is no agenda of the king for the maoist as if they don't exist. Our main problem is handling the maoist, the "corrupt" leaders could always be filtered out by the system,CIAA, by pressure from international community, by pressure from civil society etc. etc.

The king has already taken the wrong step, how can this lead us to the future its yet to be seen. The king might have won a battle but he will NOT win the war. Such a short-sighted, actually past-sighted (bringing Tulsi Giri and Bista, he couldn't even find anyone young and dynamic to support his royal ass) king, how can we look into the future. It just seems history will repeat itself. Maybe we will go back to Rana sashan days where we seemed so happy since everything was taken care by the Ranas.

Mr. Salambambi,

I got your point. You need action and only your courageous king Gyanendra can take actions. And you want me to accept what Gyanendra has done as the best thing for Nepal. Sorry mate, I do not agree at all.I cannot put a cent of my stake on Gyanendra. He is worse then the politicians to say the least. If I rate politicians as -2, Gyanendra is
-3.

You claim to be representing 24 million Nepalese.Ha ha ha ha. I hope you have not counted me because although I am one of the general public, I do not fall to your category. I am not some one who chants Jay Jay Maharaj.

I dislike mandales because they pray the king. Hamro Raja pran bhanda pyaro chha. Atleast Neta ka puchhar harule hamro neta pran bhanda pyaro chha ta bhandainan ni. Neta le Ma Bishnu ko awatar hu bhaneko ta sunidai ni. Ani Neta le Bideshi sanga matra haat milauchhu swadeshi sanga haat milaunu hudaina bhaneko ta sunienani.

''If we can live for 15 yrs of total corruption and chaos, I dont mind waiting 3 months or 1 or 3 yrs. May be action is what we needed instead of good bhasan like netas and yours.''

It doesn't sound logical to accept to live in corruption and chaos for 3 more years because we lived in that situation for 15 years. I do not like complecancy by comparing life for the negatives. I prefer to change things for positive instead of agreeing to pursue negatives for more and more time. You do not mind but I mind, and thats the difference between you and me. I dont think it's sensible to think if politicians exploited the condition of the country, King also has to exploit.

And, tapaile Netako Bhasan bhane pani j bhane pani, the best solution of the Maoists insurgency is dialogue and negotiations. If the palace can agree for constiuent assembly election, then they will certainly come to dialogue. Because they know, the senseless war between the rebels and the government forces is taking none of the sides towards victory. This is worsening the situation only. Aba rahyo constituent assembly ko kura . I don't think you have tried to understand what is constituent assembly. So first read this:

Constituent Assembly

A Constituent Assembly is a body elected with the express and limited purpose of drafting, and in some cases, adopting a constitution.

It may refer to either of the following:

The National Constituent Assembly formed in 1789 during the French Revolution
The Russian Constituent Assembly formed in February 1917 during the Russian February Revolution
The Constituent Assembly of Italy, formed on 13 July 1946 following the referendum on republic or monarchy, dissolved four months after the adoption of the Constitution, on 12 May 1948.

How did the above constituent assembly worked? What was the process? I will give a brief account in my postings in coming days. But do not think it's a communist idea to have a constituent assembly election. The process is very democratic provided the voting process is free and fair and remember it is just for drafting a new constitution not for estabilishing a republic state by overthrowing monarchy or absolute ruler. The whole idea is to formulate a constitution by the memeber of the constituent assembly who are elected by the people which implies that people are directly involved in making their country's constitution. The people elect a set of persons who are responsible for drafting a new constitution and once that has been drafted, their role is finished.

However, constiuent assembly is not something that should worry a popular king supported by '24 million Nepalese'. The King, political parties and maoists all can sit in a round table and decide about how many constiutent assembly seats should be provisioned, who will be elligible to file candidature and how the whole process will be completed. It's all about negotitions. Each candidate can present his vision on the drafting of constitution and whichever candidate's idea the majority of voters are convinced at will win assembly seat and thus play his part on the making of constitution. There is no Mahabharat at all. And in this case also, the King may set a condition of constitutional monarchy as a minimum point of compromise. And you may agree to have these elections only after peace and stability is restored in the country- in few years time. Maobadi have not demanded that these elections must be held within this month or in this particular year. They are only asking other parties(pakchhya) to accept to hold these elections.

What the maoists want from a new constitution is just a limitation in the monarch's power. The 2047 contitution gave him unprecedented power and so they want to restrict his power in a new constitution. Thats it. And they are not saying that the King should agree their own constitution. They are saying-let the people decide. So whats wrong with their demand?? If the people want the King to be limited from unprecedented power, whats wrong for him to be limited? There's queen elizabeth readily accepting to perform ceremonial job in Britain, why can't king G accept this? And there's every probability that the people might vote for more constituitonal power to the King. For as Salambambi said 24 million people support the King's move. So why scared of constituent assembly?

I firmly believe that not any one side of the Nepali political spectrum can fix the current problems single handedly. No one side can defeat the rest of the sides. So a compromise must be made. And that can be a constituent assembly election. Does Gyanendra have the courage to tell maoists that he can agree to discuss constituent assembly if they agree for immidiate ceasefire and come for dialogue? Maoists also need a safe landing. They also need some thing as an achievement for their decade long insurgency. At least if they can say to their cadres- look we have created the chance for holding constituent assembly election, we have won something ; then they would be able to come for dialogue. otherwise would they forfeit all of their power they have garnered in these 10 years just to accept the King as an unprecedentedly powerful monarch? Would they hand over their arms and surrender to the Royal Nepalese army for nothing? To expect this is just a childish day dream. Guys lets try to be pragmatic.

http://politicalcompass.org/

interesting site :)

To strengthen his grip in power, Gyanendra may now seek to bring about a new constitution. Lets discuss on how would Gyanendra try to defy the call for restoration of democratic rights. Explicit supporters of mandales unwelcome.

my friend, he embodies the constitution now. what he speaks is law.


the constition is He
He the constitution
the law is His speech
He the law
Nepal is He
He is Nepal


that has been amply demostrated by his systematic rape of first the spirit and then the word, each and every word of the '91 constitution. all of this while he is protecting and furthering that constitution!

take the royal commission on corruption control for example. it has a broad range of powers - including one against dissent. even beyond that it has the authority to dish out punitive action, a ruling that an be challenged only at Sarboccha. why empowering the constitutional body CIAA was not an option is beyond me. as is the need to circumvent the judiciary.

but who is going to question Him?