Dear sons and daughters of Nepal,

We do not really know what the situation is like in our country. We have heard more rumours and less facts; and we have made our own judgement based on those rumours. Our opinions have been divided into almost two halves. One half supporting the King's move and the other half opposing the action. Almost all of us who are fortunate enough to live in the west at this torrid time are capable to think sensibly on this issue.So lets contemplate with the love for the country and citizens in mind now.

Some of us may have been victims of atrocities committed by the Maoists. Some may have suffered because of the corrupted political leaders. And some of us may have been the victim of injustice in the Panchayat era and at present. So we are expressing our vengeance against those who have made us to suffer. And therefore we are divided. The citizens who are educated, who have seen how democray functions, who know the fruits of social justice in a developed society; we are divided. And this is not a good sign for the future. Tommorow, we have to take the burden of Nepal in our shoulders. We have to hand the nation to our next generation. We have to make sure that we can hand over a peaceful and prosperous nation to our children and die. Otherwise we are not different to the previous generation which never got the oppurtunity like us to see the democracy and prosperity of the western world. Our children will blame us if we fail to do better things for our country.So let's try to be impartial, let's forget our personal interest, let's put away our vengeance against both sides of the debate.With a cool mind let's discuss what can we do at best to resolve the current crisis from our part. I will try to give my assement in the next thread on what can we expect in the near future and what is best for the country in the coming days. Please put your thoughts, unbiased and pragmatic, without spilling your anguish and hatred to all the sides- political parties, monarchy and maoists.I hope all of you will take part in this debate very seriously.
Newuser.

New User Bro:

I love hearing from you and hope we can continue exchanging our views on many different topics. Thank you for taking your time to share ideas.

I have yet to hear from you about one question I asked you in the beginning. Do you think our lives have improved in the last 15 years? After all thats what we want in our life, dont we? I believe your simple answer of Yes or No will suffice that.

Well, I am neither one of those who chant Jai Jai Sarkar or nor the one who join the rally belonging to one of those political parties who destroy public properties and hamper lives of ordinary people. I am one of those who follow the normal life just like 24 million janta. Unless you belong to either side, I am sure your life or your closed ones lives have been affected. I dont believe in bullshits from any groups. But I do believe in reality and like to face the situation.

Life as it seems is not so simple. Sometimes you have to make a decision with very limited resources you have. That is exactly what our nation is going thru. You have to face the reality. We dont have that much choice. If King G cannot straighten things out, then may be it is time to say good bye to that system.

Constituent Assembly may be a great theory just like socialism, communism or whatever. Again this is floated by none other than politicians. Do you think people can trust them? I dont think so. They did same with different name 15 years ago. They failed us miserably. Majority of our janta are not educated and they got fooled by nice bhasan like Asiayali Magdandha or the living standard of Switzerland in 15 years. I gues we can compare ourselves to Sudan or Somalia.

My point is at the end of the day, it is the people who makes a difference. If we have same assholes who come out with different topics, do you think it makes a difference. No it dont. Talk is cheap. Action is what we need. We need someone who can talk the talk and walk the walk.

I am sure everybody has felt a sense of insecure back home. I would be surprised if anyone has not felt that way. Unless that person is directly connected to neta.

salambambi! impressed with ur question.. and i dont think you need newuser's answer to make sure if you are right or wront.. hahahahahahaha.....

Salaam bonbay ta movie ko naam ho??? mero auta qn Salambambi lai... new user lai hoina hahahaha

Salambambi said-
'' have yet to hear from you about one question I asked you in the beginning. Do you think our lives have improved in the last 15 years? After all thats what we want in our life, dont we? I believe your simple answer of Yes or No will suffice that. ''

If you read all the content of this thread from the beginning, you could have clearly understood that my answer was 'no' to your question. Let me repeat it- Do you think our lives have improved in the last 15 years? No , no at all. It has worsened.

But. Mind you I have got a BUT along with my answer. I shall explain you why later on.

15 years before, there was no Maoists violence in the country. There was no political crime in this massive scale. There was no visible corruption, may be the invisible corruption was also less in extent. Nepal was quite peaceful. Sajha Bus, Himal cement, Bhrikuti Kagaj, Hetauda Kapada, Janakpur churot karkhana all were in profit. Nepal was greener, forest thicker then what it is today. In the last fifteen years, the public companies collapsed, violence prevailed, governments failed. But still, I strongly say that Gyanendra's Feb 1 move was a grave mistake. Still I say that the last 15 or 16 years were at least better then the earlier Panchayat regime. In my judgement those 15 years were a big leap towards democracy in Nepal. No matter how difficult situation the country had to face, those 15 years have shed light in the dark corriders of the Nepalese society. You will see the result of those 15 years within few years if not months to come. Just wait and see. Nepalese people have become far more conscious today. Nepalese people are far more intelligent today.And they will not tolerate suppression from the rulers for long.
Why? and How? I will put forward my view later on. For the time being let me quote your own sentence to support my arguement-
''If King G cannot straighten things out, then may be it is time to say good bye to that system. ''

to be contd.

Newuser cant see things any deeper than on the surface. I'm getting sick of this thread for its lack of depth in any aspect.

Well yes, I can't see things deeper then on the surface.
I wonder if you could see. congratulations if you could see beyond the surface.
Mate I don't look on ground, I look up straight and see far away(unlike you).

One more to round up
''I'm getting sick of this thread for its lack of depth in any aspect. ''

I am very glad to know that at least I have been able to sicken some of the sajha mandales. I am encouraged with this success and try to sicken as many of you as possible.

New user,
I did not think that you were so little and your views were so limited. Mandale- is that how you going to treat your oppositions? If somebody wants to support other view points than yours then you start calling them names? Where is your bhasan about freedom of speech? You should not be posting your ideas and views here telling yourself being impartial. You are no different than G Bush who would not mind calling any body terrorists if they oppose his views. You are very BIASED! You need to stop your bhashan. I do not believe that you are not among one of the politicians or maoists. You have no views other than against King G. I do not care what you gonna name me... but all I want is peace in my country. And I cannot see peace with the corrupted leaders ruining the situation. I cannot see in your views either. I have listened to bhashans like yours lot before you started here.

FreeofDogma:

That's exactly what I mean. NewUser is not getting the point. If he is still in college, I have nothing to argue. He is more in hteory and less in action.

All I am saying to NewUser is we cannot continue with same corrupted leaders. I will accpet any other leaders if they have vision, leadership and sacrifice they can make. But I will not tolerate anyone who just changes book cover. For them, Constituent Assembly is another excuse just like they did 15 years ago. If leaders are not ready, how can they lead.I have yet to see one.

Now he is saying nepali are more intelligent, couragous, and last 15 yrs of development are leap forward. To me it all sounds like he is one of the fortunate one. But I dont know how. It sounds like his family or relativesor friends have not felt the pain of tragedy and miserable failures our nation is going thru.

Well all I care about is peace and security. May be you can use that intelligent, couragous for your benefit. But all we want is peace so that I can live peacefully with my closed ones.

Here in the current context " I do not know the solution but I really admire the problem" (some wise crack)

Honestly, in current context I do not see any visionary and ethically sound leader.
Consiuet Assembly, Huh, how it will work. What happened after 1190 - Bitter divison and poltical nominations. Thats it. So how you gonna work on that??

So, I say for the change people should work together to get the framework set.

Some dude talked about CIAA, what u think bro if the poltical appointment goes through what will happen to this these CIAA people.
ex: Govinda Raj Joshi got convicted but never busted although he was moving around freely. They got too much power.

Maoist - I am not being able to believe they are fighting for the genuine cause to eliminate social unjustice. Instances - the attacks in public installations, extortions from
individuals, eliminating anybody against them. In this case how we will about to go for consiute assembly?

Look at leaders these are stray dogs. They will start to waging tails to anybody who will throw bones at them. They are barking cause King G has taken away bone and they wanna get it back.

I really do not understand why people generalize. As I said before and I will say again there are people who do not know what to choose. I see darkness everywhere.

COnsitute Assembly seems a person holding ray of light in one hand and in the other hand a knife to stab you.

Peace

Hello friends,

Of the 118 postings in this thread so far, 71 postings are not mine. They are from you. Although many of you disagree with me, and label me as John Kerry , George Bush, Maoist, close to corrupt political leaders, short-sighted, superficial, immature, impractical, theoritical and so on; isn't it nice to attract these many responses? I think most of the comments are made only after reading my posting, which makes me feel like oh this is great. At least people are reading me and taking their time to share their ideas. To draw dislike and criticism from many people is also some sort of success.
All of you are welcome to express your dissatisfaction, however baseless or irrelevant some of them may be in the upcoming postings. At least we have a democratic forum in which pro monarchists, pro-democratics and pro-republicans are expressing their ideas in equal proportion. Isn't this something impartial ? although my opinions are little bit tilted towards democracy. For democracy is the most impartial system available in the world at present, implying (pro monarchist+pro democracatic+prorepublican) Nepalese = democracy =impartiality. Whatever assumption you have made on me, my way of resolving the current crisis is based on the above formula. If each one of the three components give up some of their vested interests, it is not impossible , it is not impractical to solve the maoists problem of the country. Corruption cannot be elliminated but can be controlled once these three forces reach to a consensus through dialogue. King Gyanendra can still be a hero by trying to forge a consensus by agreeing to hold an election for constituent assembly in some period of time, say within 3 years. Guys, I feel like maoist rebels are no less Nepalese then the King or political leaders or other Nepalese or you and me. Let a big chunk of misguided Nepalese be given a chance to rest their weapons and join the political framework. Constituent assembly is not a big deal, constitutional restructuring is not a big deal. One day, this demand of the Maoists must be met so why not we do it sooner to avoid more bloodshed in the country. This is my point.

Now, 3 weeks have past by since King Gyanendra took over the power. Should we not do a quick review of the major events of past 21 days and make our assesement on the developments so far?

In the last 23 days,

The telephone lines and the internet are reconnected.
The print media is some how carrying on it's publication with the easing off of restrictions.
The ban on independent media remains entact.

New cabinet has started to function with the addition of Tulsi Giri and Kirtinidhi Bista as deputy PMs. Some hopes for the Kathmanduties as Kathmandu feels a bit more secure.
The capital has not experienced much difficulty, the security forces seem to be nullifying the Maoists at least in the capital. Something to cheer about for the metropolitans.
Kathmandu looks a bit clean as sweepers and cleaners take charge now. Government offices are also speeding up their performance as the security forces are vigilent on their work. Few good moves. We must appreciate good things, who ever does them.
However, the condition out side the valley has not improved at all. Violent clashes are continuing without the true figure of casualty coming out. Kapilbastu is showing signs of the new anarchy in the country.

In the mean time, the King has formed an anti-corruption commission. Strengthening of CIAA would have been a good move, the creation of a new body comprising of doubtful individuals is not a better sign for the drive for corruption control. Moreover it's amazing to see Surya bahadur Thapa, Govinda Raj Joshi released so quickly. It's more intruiging to see Human rights activists Krishna Pahadi and Gauri Pradhan arrested but Joshi released. Narahari Acharya and Daman Nath Dhungana kept in detention while Khum Bahadur Khadka is left untouched.

Gyanendra has also decided to install panchayat full fedgedly by reviving the ghostly post of the past - Zonal Commissioner. I think very few countries have opted to step back in the history. To be honest, I have not seen any nations going back to the old days. Russia, Ukraine, Romania, China, Iran, Afgahnistan, Pakistan, none of the countries have decided to get back with time. But bizarre things happen in Nepal. This shows Gyanendra doesn't have his own vision but is seeing through the eyes of Panchayati Stalwarts like Tulsi Giri and Kirtinidhi Bishta. No wonder if Gau Farka abhiyan is reinstated.

In the last three weeks, Gyanendra seems to be enjoying his honeymoon in power. He might be remembering the youths when he married young Komal and honeymooned in Europe.
He has generated good support from the northern neighbour. He has not allowed political parties to regroup for demonstration against him. Kathmanduties seem to be relieved not to see those sense less banda and chakkajam. He doesn't have concerns on what happens in the other part of the country let alone Kapilastu. Even If he had concerns what else could he do? For God's grace or the Maoists incapability, no big attack has been launched so far.

But Gyanendra and his loyal supporters have faced tough times already. India and the UK have withdrawn their military help and support. the UN, US and Europe have all criticised the King. It will be good if the lull in violence continues. but once the Maoists strike, how is he going to deal the new situation? The congress, the UML, even the RPP (forget other small parties) have all been ignored and rebuffed. Media is India, America and Europe and even the UN have shown their back. So how is Gyanendra going to handle everything all alone and without the support of neutral citizens like us? Won't it be a shame for him to give up his mad desire to install panchayat only after few months?

These are not the days of 60s and 70s. The world has moved to the 21st century. Can Gyanendra remain isolated from the world and remain in power for long??

Guys,
it seems few sentences have overlaped to one another in the above posting. I will correct them once I have free time.

NewUser:

Good to hear from you again. Let us worry about domestic issue. Why bother outsiders when we got enough problem inside.

I wish somebody would initiate Gau Farka abhiyan instead of everybody going overseas places like Iraq. At least we would not have Black Day of August 1st when 12 brothers were murdered.

I wish 60s and 70s were back. Even 80s were far better than 90s and 20s. Finally it is surprising to hear you claiming yourself as a neutral citizen. For the last 2 weeks, you sounded like you belong to the student wings of political parties.


I agree with what Freeofdogma and Bhrastanetaa have to say.

salamji,

I am indeed a neutral citizen and think impartially. Not like you-explicitly supporting one side and criticizing the other.

If you contemplate on what I say you must realize that the need of the hour is to work together not individually.

Gyanendra cannot confront the Maoists single handedly. He shouldn't be upbeat with the relative calm in Kathmandu now. This is the silence before the hurricane. A big scale attack from the maoists is yet to come. It will surely come and whether the new combination of King and army can handle it differently is a matter of wait and see. I don't think this will be an easy task. He must at least garner military support from India and the west to confront the maoist in the longer term. And US and India are not going to help him unless he softens the restrictions on civil liberties, allows parties faithful to multiparty and constitutional monarchy system to engage in politics and free the ban on media. And again Gyanendra has the power to punish the corrupts even if political activities are allowed in the country.

If Gyanendra is determined to crush the Maoists, other political parties must play a role favourable to the King and the west and India must continue their assistance to Nepal. Apart from Kathmandu, maoists only consistently show their presence in the villages. Political parties can show their presence if the King and the army are positive. And thats the best way to regain government control over villages in Nepal.For this purpose also, Gyanendra should not ignore parties in this way.
There is no possibilities what so ever that China will supply arms for free to crush the Maoists who are in fact the followers of Mao Zedong -their national hero. Communists support communists in the end. North Korea is surviving because China is backing her from behind. Royalist must know this fact. You know why the west and India have started withdrawing their support to the King? Because Gyanendra have shown signs of tilting towards China. For economic and friendly reasons, China may be an ideal choice for most of the Nepalese over India. But India's role is more vital in the end. SO Gyanendra must balance the foreign policy.
I don't have an extremist view that Maloists problem can be solved militarily. The best option for Gyanendra is still to give the maoists a chance by accepting their call for constituent assembly. Still the majority of the Nepalese are in favour of multi party democracy and constitutional monarchy, with monarchy playing a UK type role. So Gyanendra should not fear about the outcome of the assembly election. This helps him to prevent bloodshed. But if he thinks the Maoists can be wiped out, he must get support from India and USA at the end of the day. Other wise, his single handed authoritorianism will be short lived and he will be forced to hand over the government to the same corrupted leaders soon. The best thing to avoid this is to announce the lifting of ban on press and politicians immidiately and release detained Human rights activists immidiately. US and India won't ask for the release of political leaders who are convicted of corruptions anyway. Otherwise, neither those country will resume their assistance, nor the King can defeat maoists. He will only near his downfall.

Dear Euridite Friends,

Just giving speeches in Sajha dias? Tyo ta bhaena ni.
Kaam Garnu paryo, No action, khali kura matrai ta hoina/
Kura ta malai pani garna gaucha.


Yours Thimble-Brained Friend

hoina/=hoina?
gaucha = aucha

King Gyanendra's sublime and shrewd tactic. But can we believe this?

- http://www.kantipuronline.com/nepali/kolnews.php?&nid=32577

Let's do the surgery now. To what extent are his comments believable? Are these words expressed with honesty?? I find this a bit clumsy. What do you think guys??

Glimpse of hopes are marred by false assurances:

King Gyanendra has tried to raise hopes for non-political Nepalese majority by giving assurances for estabilishing peace and security within three years. He has also promised to retain press and political freedom and allow to re-exercise multi party democracy within three years. His assurances could not be any better for the Nepalese people who desperately prioritise peace as their greatest need at this moment. We Nepalese have a habit of expecting a lot from our leaders (those who lead) either it be king or politicians. We think that they are going to clear up our mess and therefore easily bestow our faith to them. We listen to them and believe them without thinking that they might be manipulating our belief to fulfil their vested interest. At least, the small portion of the Nepalese population which is better educated should be pondering on this lack of judgement from us, from conscious citizens. But even we don't think on this area either because we cannot think at all or because of our personal interests ruling over our conscience. This is the harsh reality and I ask the Sajhaittes to think about our own disability of making correct judgement about what the politicians or King are saying to us. Are they something tangible? Will their idea work? We have never asked such questions . We have just listened to them and believed them , some may have believed a lot and some a little bit lesser, but we have never questioned them about the credibility of their idea. Let me elaborate this.

When the party leaders came into the political arena, they made us lots and lots of promises. Not only promises, they gave us many dreams. They said, they would eradicate poverty from the country. They said they would make Kathmandu Switerland. We believed when they talked about Melamchi and we believed when they talked about Arun third. But we never told them, hey don't make silly fuss. These things are simply ungettable, they are simply unfathomable. We just believed- Melamchi would enundate kathmandu, Arun third would glow Nepal and fetch US dollars by selling electricity to South Asia. Did we ever asked them to shut their mouth? How can a country just emerging from black hidden days of Panchayat transform into switzerland. But we started dreaming that our country will be switzerland once a politician said so. If we didn't belive on the Poltician's gaffe, if we didn't vote them according to the sweet promises they made, things would have been different today. The best possible system discovered so far to run a country would not become a fiasco this quickly if we, as a conscious citizen were bold enough to question them about their silly promises. Unfortunately, instead of asking them to be more practical, we expected them to transform Kathmandu into Switzerland in a matter of years. Now, we are complaing they lied us by making false promises. But why didn't we dismiss their stupid promises by telling them that their idea was total flop. They are ungettable so shut up. Naymore, we voted them again and again.

Now again we are making the same mistake. The King says he is going to restabilish security, peace and multiparty democracy within three years. And we are saying , oh yes the generous king is taking only three years, so why not give him a chance? But guys have we thought that the Maoists insurgency cannot be flushed away in three years time. Can the insurgency which has taken roots in every nooks and corners of the country after 10 years of expansion be completely whitewashed in three years? This is a total non-sense. Here's another man- the king trying to make his hay in the sunshine out of our foolish habit of believing the powerfuls. Why don't we challenge the King saying no you cannot crush the maoists in three years time. No the army alone cannot win a political war. No you cannot sideline the political leaders and rule single handedly. Why can't we ask such questions to the king. Particularly, taking his past into account. Didn't he promised that he would remain within constitutional monarchy before? Didn't he said that he is committed to multi-party democracy before? Where has his commitment gone? How different is the breaking of his promises to the politicians promises. Guys we have to make cross checks before supporting or believing the King.

Musharraf said he would give up his post as the Army chief soon in 1999, but he has not left after six years. What makes you belive that King Gyanendra would back down after three years? Why the hell he would leave after strengthening his grip in power. Freedom is forgetten once people are stopped exercising it. The radio staions shut down today will not re-open after three years. The human rights activitist will be caged in forever. The restrictions for the general people will get stricter and the people will feel used to to the restrictions after 3 years. So we shouldn't let these bans prolong. The longer they are let to stay, the chance of them staying longer will be more.

King Gyanendra today has no options besides promising that the ban on civil liberties will be lifted soon. Because, he desperately needs the support of world community, he is trying to convince them by giving false assurances. The world community must say it should be lifted now. otherwise, they will be tighter in the future. People will get used to with this and restrictions will be the way of our life once again. He has shrewdly categorised the opposers of his action as terrorists. he wants to get the backing of Americans by labelling everyoone who opposes his actions as terrorists. But why don;t we say that we oppose him but we are not terrotists.

Huna sakne kura po patyanuparchha. Can we belive that the Maoists problem will be solved in three years, that too by using force? Nah. Not at all. This is the biggest lie we have ever been told to. We shouldn't be duped by the false assurances of the King guys.

Political parties gave us false assurances and duped us for 15 years. Now the King is giving more unrealistic assurances and we have started to believe him. This is a grave mistake. We shouldn't believe things that are unsubstansiable. If we belive this, 3 years will run to 6 years and ten years and 20 years and 30 years.

Promises made by democrats may not be fulfilled in years but the promises made by despots will never be fulfilled.

The only thing I want to request you is believe on things that are believable. Believe on such assurances which look possible to fulfill. But never believe on assurances that do not have even remote chance of being fulfilled. King Gyanendra is giving assurances that look impossible to be fulfilled in three years. Specially, the idea that the Maoists will be flushed in 3 years. We must question on his intentions now because if we do not give him tough time now, he will stretch this mess for decades. And our children will be the biggest sufferer. How do children grown under a repressive regime be compete with the one grown in Europe and America. Is it not the time to challege the King that your idea can't work this way. You must put together the Maoists and the Politicians even if you have to sacrifice some of your unprecedented constitutional power. Sabai padhe lekheka buddhijivi lai chetana bhaya.

Newuser

newuser, your posts are all full of BULLSHIT! I don't mean to offend you but you sound like a clueless 9-year-old kid. You really do.

What bullshit?
I am talking about the absolute truth which seems to have pricked the heart of a desperate royalite. This is why I write for. From an unfair and unbiased point of view, this is the most important truth Nepalese must realise before letting Gyanendra to impose autocracy in full scale. I don't care how a mandale responds.

Oh! I am a mandale, huh!
What are you? Girija's ASSLICKER? Baburam bhattarai and Prachanda's Dog?

Just paying you in your own coin.