Model 1: Girija Is To Be Blamed

The NC was in power more than most during the 90s, and Girija was Prime Minister more than most. But instead of consolidating the democracy, the Girijas of the world became the new establishment. Massive corruption was institutionalized. The aspiratinos of the Madhesis, the Janajatis, the Dalits, the women, the poor were not given proper channels. Things fall apart when the center can not hold.

Girija's inflexibility that served so well in his quest for democracy became his bane post-democracy. A party with a clear majority going for mid-term elections is ridiculous. Girija does not know how to save face: he only knows how to corner his opponents into desperation. He does not understand compromise and coalition building is the name of the game in a democratic framework.

Because the moderate center did not perform, the left and the right came in to fill the vacuum.

Model 2: King G Is To Be Blamed

The king gets neither democracy nor constitutional monarchy, or he would not talk of being a "constructive monarch." He has acted a mirror image of the Maoists in trying to fill the vacuum left by the political parties. That might be cunning, and possible in the murky waters of today, but it is not magananimous. The king patronizingly refers to the country as his family. That shows a lack of gut-feel for basic premises in democracy.

King G got Chand to almost double the royal budget. That is NC style brahmaloot many times over.

Model 3: Deuba Is To Be Blamed

Why get rid of the parliament, bro! In the first place....

Model 4: The Maoists Are To Be Blamed

Not even the Chinese are Maoists anymore. The haat bazar in a remote village in Nepal is the market economy in action. The ancient Buddhist republics were democracies in action. Those twins are the necessary engines for growth. Gorbachev knows more about communist theory than Prachanda or Baburam, and he has said the market is it.

The LTTE have been far more lethal than the Maoists can ever hope to be, militarily. And the LTTE were not able to take over Colombo even after 20 vicious years. So the military option is out.

It is laughable of the Maoists to think the king will willingly give over power. Not this king. If anything King G will want to expand his role.

The dictatorship of the proletariat is not about to happen. Instead it is a game of who will blink first, and the two extreme sides do not care if the commoners suffer in the interim.

Supermodel 1: Panchayat II

There is a very real possibility the king decides he has had enough of it, and he plain takes over. Which will be the final blow of the right to the rest of the political spectrum. But such a move will, by definition, engineer a massive backlash. And more than Maoists will rally behind an all-out call for a republic.

Supermodel 2: "Jana Sarkar"

That does not exist in the rural areas either. It is more statelessness, lawlessness. And the urban centers hold strong. It can not be imagined Kathmandu can be taken over by the Maoists.

Not going to happen.

Supermodel 3: Constituent Assembly

This is the only option for quickie peace. But one suspects those now in power will not go for it. Instead they will wait and wait and wait. For the Maoists to possibly tire out. In the mean time, the people be damned.

Iraq will soon have elections for such a thing. And they will do fine for it.

Let the people decide.

But such a move will have to be simultaneous a total disarming of the Maoists.

Supermodel 4: Inflexibility

That Giriaj disease pervades the entire political spectrum. Mero goru ko barhai takka. This more than anything else is holding progress back.

Nepe,

That was quite a verbal tsunami, I must say.

Thank God, it remains so damn easy to trigger you off with a few chosen remarks,
and off you will go, Nepe, spraying fire-and-brimstone over those who dare question
your cherished hypothesis and providing us with free political entertainment.

Fortunately, I remain amused by your performance, and have no interest in returning the compliments.

Still, your outburst above, with the usual false accusations, has all the hallmarks of the famous Nepe Method.

That is: Accuse, ridicule, show that those disagree with you are closet royalists (even when they are not), cling on to scraps of information and baloon them up to make grand theories, and insist that others are wrong and you are right even when the ground below is shifting, murky and unclear.

Keep it up, Nepe.

Meantime, I look forward to meeting Hari Roka again when I'm next in Kathmandu, and sharpening my understanding of 'republicanism' by reading Ron Chernow's extremely gripping biography of Alexander Hamilton later this week-end. I am half-way into that book, and I do recommend that you do read it at some point.

oohi
ashu

Finally this feels like a Sajha thread! Welcome Nepe-Ashu duo!

:-)

Why retain monarchy?

Why go for a republic?

Those might be more positive talk.

Yes, Ashu, we have been through innumerable rounds of debates or call it वाकयुद्ध. So you certainly know what triggers me off. Say 'there is no republican infedals in Kathmandu, Never' and refuse to refute the misinformation when I show you them, I trigger off. Say there was never a moment of people's solidarity and enthusiasm for andolan and not know how to hide your shame when I show you when, I trigger off. Praise the King, curse everybody else and claim you are not serving the monarch, I trigger off. Certainly I do. And certainly you know. Thank God. अवश्य ।

Nepe wrote:

"Wallstreet को जागिर त्याग गरेर स्वदेशमा फर्कि
राजतन्त्रको सेवा गर्ने देशभक्त . . ."


Thank you, Nepe.

The first half of your sentence is true
The second half is verifiably FALSE.
But both halves are entertaining and hilarious.

Alas, I lack your kind of poetic wrath, nor to mention your sense of unfairness, to hurl similarly juicy words and phrases at you.

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Paramendra asked:

Why retain monarchy?

Why go for a republic?

My response: This monarchy and republic ka kura is premature and diversionary in Nepal at this time. No matter how polished our arguments are for either case, they remain -- and this is what Nepe never understands -- NOTHING more than conjectures and hypotheses at this time. [Nepe mistakes projected-in-the-future hypothesis as the truth, and his sort of attitude is similar to that of the Maoists who too take their their projected hypotheises as certainties!]

It's only pie-in-the-sky Nepali intellectuals, doomed to look at Nepal with their face pressed against the glass while being based in comfy Washington DC who have the goddamn luxury to engage in such utterly silly kura-kani, far removed as they are from the killing fields of Nepal.

The more pressing reality in Nepal is that all should aim to be united FIRST to completely defang the Maoists (who are NOT to be trusted at all) WHILE raising hell against the army's excesses. Once we take care of these priorities, the roles of the parties and the King will become clearer in a post-Maoist Nepal, and then we can have a second round of debate re: monarchy versus republicanism, if need be.

Anything else just allows the Maoists to buy time at everyone's expense and more people continue to get killed.

After all, Nepalis cannot be expectged to fight too many battles (against the Maoists, King and the political parties) on too many fronts at the same time. We have to fight one battle at a time.

oohi
ashu

हामी नदिका दुई किनारा
हाम्रो मिलन असम्भव छ ... ... ...

ल नेपे जी र आशु जीलाई Dedicated.

>The more pressing reality in Nepal is that all should aim to be united FIRST to completely defang the Maoists
????
हेन यो त दिवास्पना मा परे जस्तो छ नि, आशु जी ।
कसैले अन्याय र अत्याचार सहन नसकेर आफ्नो हक अधिकारको लागि छातीमा गोली थाप्न तयार भएकाहरुलाई दाबाउन एकजुट हुन आग्रह गर्छ बने त्यसलाई पनि समयले माफि दिने छैन।

Before we discuss, argue and get one on one with each other, we all need to understand one thing, the most important thing, I?d say: What is today?s Nepal? Just how many Nepals are there within Nepal? Do we even have a consensus on NEPAL? What is Nepal for us?

1. Parmendra?s Nepal: A country that does not respect the minority?s rights. A country that has not given him or his community something to be proud of. Heck! It doesn?t even recognize his mother-tongue. For him, Nepal is either a failed state already or becoming one soon. Nepal does not need a total shake up, but certain things need to be changed so that my group, or other minority group feel at home. A forced Hindu-Nepali Speaking-Pahadiya Nation.

2. Group A?s Nepal: Their definition of Nepal is different than that of Parmednra?s. Whereas Parmendra sees himself as a victim of the system- and he has every reason to see himself as a victim- others see the people like Parmendra responsible for all the mess. For them, the nation was working fine because they had all the rights in the world, enter Parmendra like people and the Maoists, and the whole nation is falling apart. So the Maoists and the ethnic politics are leading the state towards failure. A nation being troubled by the Maoists and the people who support them.

3. Group B?s Nepal: Something was wrong from the very beginning, but it wasn?t terrible. Nepal still has some hopes. It hasn?t degenerated to the state of Lebanon in the 80?s, or Rwanda, Sieera Leone, Haiti of the 90s. So, nobody needs to get angry. Things can be worked out by working together, peacefully. The change in the system at this point, or at this chaotic stage, means creating more chaos/anarchy. Changes can be achieved from within the system. There?s no need for a new system. A nation that ignored certain problems for long. Of course there are problems but that doesn?t mean we should just replace the system with something else. Solutions should come from the existing system.

4. Group C?s Nepal: Everything was wrong from the very beginning. What we are seeing now is the fruition of peoples? anger that was suppressed for more than 200 years. One group always dominated the country whereas others never had any real political power. Democracy was letting the same elite group control the country in a more internationally respected disguise. So what the Maoists might be wrong in the ways, but they are not wrong in their demands. So there has to be a change. Everything has to be changed and a new Nepal should be built from the scratch. A minority dominated nation; a nation that didn?t provide its every citizen with equal economic, social and political opportunities. A nation that never solved its political-social-economic problems, or even seriously thought about those, it just put a blanket on those, and created the NTB poster image Nepal.

5. Group D?s Nepal: What the hell you are talking about? There is no big problem. I am not affected. My family is not affected. And they won?t be affected. So why change? Who needs change? And the change for what? For this group, Nepal is still the same Nepal Tourism Board?s poster of a smiling kid with Everest in the background.


There could be many more Nepals. A Tharu Nepal, a UML Nepal, a RPP Nepal, a Ashu Nepal, a Isolated Freak Nepal, a dada giri Nepal, and so on. See the problem is, we don?t even have a common consensus on Nepal. And we are talking what needs to be done. I find this really funny. This division in Nepal is responsible for what?s happening in Nepal today. Thanks god- Pashupatinath baba ko jay hos- it still hasn?t blown out of proportion. But if we still keep on having the divisions, soon we will be having an all out war of all against all.

If you go over the points, none of the points are either entirely wrong or right. What we need to understand at this point is: Nepal's Levantine spirit is already a history, and each and every Nepali carries in his heart and head his/her own version of Nepal and what needs to be done. This is a very VERY dangerous scenario. Exactly this different concepts of the nation was responsible for the Lebananese civil war in the 80s. Nobody even thought that the Middle-Eastern France will one day will have a civil war, but it did and which just ruined it. I'll say, we should learn from the Lebananese example and before the Indian soldiers come knocking on our door (Just as Israel did in Lebanon. No nation wants a failed state in its backyard-NIMBY), our own Druse, Phalangists, Shiites and others need to sit down and talk.

Jai hos Friedman dai ko.

The Nepal-definition model+ Lebanon's history comes from "From Beirut to Jerusalem". A wonderful book, read it, when you guys have time.

Levantine spirit =w what created lebanon...the spirit of "secularism" and unity in diversity, and diversity in unity spirit. Just as our modern Nepal (post2007 saal) was built on a premise that all ethnic groups are equal and will enjoy equal rights.

Levantine spirit =w what created lebanon...the spirit of "secularism" and unity in diversity, and diversity in unity spirit. Just as our modern Nepal (post2007 saal) was built on a premise that all ethnic groups are equal and will enjoy equal rights.

Let me add some more Nepal here: A Tamang Nepal, A Sherpa Nepal, A College-Graduate Nepal, A Bhariya Nepal, A Maoist Nepal, A Professor Nepal, A Writer Nepal.. what else... A Lady Croft Nepal :-), A Sajha.com Nepal, A Nepalhomepage.com Nepal...

There are many Nepal within Nepal. The problem is each and every Nepali thinks that it's only him/her who is right and who has understood Nepal. Isn't that extrimism? So Nepal;'s biggest problem now along with the Maist problem is the rise of extrimism in all (all nepalese) of us.

IF Bro!
ल ल ! मैले तपाईवको कुराबाट के बुझेँ भन्दा,
तपाईँले कालो चस्मा लगाएर नेपाल हेर्नुस् कालो देखिन्छ, पहेँलो लगाएर हेर्दा पहेँलो ... ...

एउटा किताब हेरेर अनि त्यही कुरा सहि भन्दै हिँडेर पनि त भएन न। कि कसो ब्रो?
मेरो भन्नु धेरै छ म भोलि लेख्छु, यहाँ अहिले रात पर्यो।

ल
वांग् आन्!

dada giri

thik bhannu bhayo. yaha ko aru pani buichar sunna paun..

Y'all need to write so everyone can understand. what is all this jibberish ?

"कसैले अन्याय र अत्याचार सहन नसकेर आफ्नो हक अधिकारको लागि छातीमा गोली थाप्न तयार भएकाहरुलाई दाबाउन एकजुट हुन आग्रह गर्छ बने त्यसलाई पनि समयले माफि दिने छैन। "

Dada giri bro,
Manchu ma anyaye atyachar bhayeko cha. Doshi haru tyai ek jhumro ma ajai surakchit cha. Faleko cha fapeko cha, ajai pani muskurakai cha. Ke ti chati ma goli thapna tayar hune haru le tyo jhumro lai kehi garne ateko cha? Ke uni harule dekheka chainan nirdosh ra mehenati sadharan janta lai marera kasaile afu mathi bhayeko anyaye lai dhall banayera afno ghrina lagdo kukartabye lai justify garna mildaina bhanera.
Ke afno haat katyo bhanera, chimeki lai goli thokera, swastha karmi haru usko haat ko lagi ausadi chado lera aucha bhanne manabriti sahi ho??

There is no justification for the heinous crimes these SO CALLED SUFFERES ( i presume we can safely term them as one, esp. after making others suffer million times more) are committing. Agreed reforms are needed. System needs at the least - restatement, at best - total change. But, how can ANYONE, absolutely ANYONE justify the violent, inhuman and unfathomable violation of morality?????

Aru kura tyastai ho... galti bhayeko cha... tara sachaune bato sahi bhayena ki. Often, we set our eyes on the destination exclusively; unheeding, we travel through the water, better left unchartered. Malai ta yestai bhayeko bhan parcha.

Jai Nepal,
IndiaGuise :(

एउटा किताब हेरेर अनि त्यही कुरा सहि भन्दै हिँडेर पनि त भएन न। कि कसो ब्रो? ]

what you say is right. howeer, in humanities and social scineces, sometimes you tend to borrow your framework of analysis from one book- or even a film! For example, Akira Kurosawa's movie The Roshoman Gate has been used by many social scientists/historians to explain different issues. If you read the New York Times Bestseller, The Rape of Nanking, Iris Chang follows the Kurasawa model. Heshang's (a TV serial in China in the early 90s) model has been used by many social scientists to explain China. I borrowed Friedman's model. Just borrowing a model does not necessarily mean that you just read that one book. You borrow the model from one source, and explain and analyze those based on other books+ your own ideas. I could have not mentioned the source of the model and you would have never known. However, being against plagarism (thanks to the strict-est honor code of my alma-matar in a small town America), even the thought of not-citing my sources scares the hell out of me. So if you read my postings from the past, I have always included the sources/names for further reading.

Heri hamra gaam ko mukh.khe samasya bhanya chainjo ke hola jasto lagna thalyo malai aaj byan dekhi bhaneni---yessima chor ko ko hun? ko ko hun chor? jammai arko tira aaula dekhaune matrai chhan---astinai euta aako thyo pokhara tira ho kyara "ma ho euta chor samatera thuna malai bhandai" tara aru ta yo daka sankechha bhanera thunne sunne ta kata ho kata bhudi bokya laati le sukulgunda lai bolauda jasari gunda tarkinchha ni ho tersari tarekera para para tira lage kurai nasuni---

jo sanga kuro garyo arko lai chor bhanchha--ma ni aru lai ni chor bhanchhu---afulai ma jasto sajjan aru dherai chhainan jasto lagchha--ke garne---kun kun le malai chor bhanda hun---aba yasari chorai patta lagna aatena ke garera chori nirmul parne ho?

la yo kuro yastai ho --baru tyo bhawana lai nare (narendra) chor le bich.ma aayera mandali hani ra chha---maile side dya ahile dekhi haina bhawana lai---huna ta bhawanale ni side nadya ta haina---tara oo arko side ma ani ma chai yo side ma---bicha.ma ta uhi--hami nadika dui kina hamro milan asambhava chha---well nadi suke ta milan hunthyo pani hola tara nadi ta jhan jhan urlera kinara katya katyai chha gathe!

deep bro- ekdam thik bhannu bhayo. maile bhanan khojeko pani tyahi ho. sabaile afno "position" (a combination of ideology ra "made up" shared experience) ko aadhar ma aru lai chor dekhna thaley.. chor le ni arko lai chor dekhna thalyo.. sabai ko "victim" ra "blaming" mentality bhayo, yesle garda samasya samadhan huna nasakeko.

JIBBERISH yantanawa ke ho ho pha hun jino wa ti ka hawa popo ha ki ko da ma ni

IF bro,

ma ni bela bela kuro lyamchhu ke---yasai ma thik aru bethik bhanya ho ra---

aba tyo pardesh ma yasso naranchaur ni samjhim hai ta ek raund--

tya nagpokhari aghi saikal bhadama dinthyo ni ke ta---tya bata saikal bhadama lyaye ekdin tara saikal chadna janya thiyena---saikal feri kasto beiman hudo re chha bhane chadna najanne lai doryauna pani didaina re chha--kahile yata ghandryang gardai pachharinchha ta kahile uta. balla balla nandi pachadi ta puryako thiye feri pachhariyo saikal euta dhungo mathi--ma pani saikal ladna nadine bhako saikal sangai ram ram...saikal ko chain ghumchha ni agadi daati ma ho tyo daati le mero pidaula hai daarechha ghwappai---janjeer ni fuskyo ---aaiya aath.tha gardai oothe ra saikal oothaudai thiye ghuda kamera dharma chhadyo--saikal feri dyangai-- paidal bange chha bro-- dohoro paidal nachalne bho---aba marena? saikal ni sikiyena ulto sadde saikal ni bigariyo---aba saikal dine lai ke bhanne? mero ta galti ke thiyo ra? saikal chadne bhanya ta ho ni--yessima saikalai beiman re chha---aru lai bhane liyera sururu jaane malai tyasari ghaite pardini?

hamro gam ko democracyle tyo ghatana samjhuchha malai bela belama---

hahah deep bro! deep bro maile pani tyahi dhunge dhara agadi ko cycle pasal bata 2 rupiya bhada ma cycle liyera tyahi nandi keshar ko chaur ma sikeko... ladnu kati ladiyo.. pahilo choti cycle chalayera ek fanka naya bato lagayera ghar ma jaada ta chaati nanglo bhanda thulo bhathyo.. k garnu, narayan chaur ni bigare kangressi-communist sai baba bhakta harule.. ahile ta jhyamma parkhal layera sai baba ko bhajan matra gaudai baschan...tyo hridaya raj haluwai sahuji ko pasal pani banda bhayo jasto cha... aaba purano business banki bhaneko tyahi Sayami dai ko pharmacy-

ani maile deep bro le bela bela ma kura nlayaune bhaneko hoina.. lyaunu huncha, praya jaso lyaunu huncha..