Let us all unite against theanti-Hindu forces in Nepal. CAN WE DO IT?

Let us spread message against what is happening to Nepal.
WE WANT IT TO REMAIN A HINDU STATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can we unite?
This will be the real challenge.
Look at how Indian medicos/engineers are uniting against job reservation.

Well, OUR RELIGION,HINDUISM THE ODLEST RELIGION IS BEING REMOVED FROM NEPAL. AND NO ONE IS BOTHERED? SICKENING.

Do you know what troubles start if this happens.
PLEASE ALL WAKE_UP AND SEND A STRONG MESSAGE TO THE CORRUPT & CROOK POLITICIANS IN NEPAL.

WE WANT NEPAL TO REMAIN HINDU!!!!!!!!!!

SPEAK EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Care to explain to me and the to rest of us against secularization of Nepal why Nepal has never had civil unrests/religious conflicts/sectarian conflicts in the past vis-a-vis India? Everybody knows that Hindu nationalism is on the rise in India, while this phenomenon has not spread like wildfire in Nepal. Why? Because we have all grown used to the fact that Nepal is the world's only Hindu religion. Some of you say that the religion has been imposed on you. Well then, compare and contrast Nepal's situation with that of India's, where religion is not imposed on people in any shape or form. Where do you see more conflicts, Nepal or India? This change will surely backfire, because Hindus, who are known to be tolerant(parsees, Christians, Jews were all welcomed in Hindu India with open arms--never were they forced to do anything against their will), will start to take extremist positions, because secularization of Nepal is an attack on our religion! That's how many of us see it. Seriously, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth as well, and even when I was in Nepal, I never went to the Pashupatinath temple. I do not come from a religious family. But the point is, you can only push us this far, because if you try pushing us any farther, we have no option but to resort to taking extremist positions.That is definitely the bottomline. The BJP rose to power out of nowhere! They were not a force to be reckoned with only a couple of decades ago. Guess what, the BJP were appealing to a group of disenchanted Hindus, who felt that their religion was being assailed. Even when India and Pakistan partitioned, many muslims opted to stay back. Why? Because Hindus are generally peaceful. We don't want to start any wars. Take a good look at the situation in Pakistan and ask yourself this question: why are there virtually no Hindus in Pakistan anymore? Where have they all gone? The tolerance of Hindus will lead to their demise it seems.
Taking a conservative approach, the Hindu population is at least half a billion. There are countries out there that are officially Buddhist. There countries out there that are officially Christian. There are countries out there that are officially Muslim. Heck, there is a country out there in the heart of the Middle East--this tiny country that arguably is the most powerful country on earth-- that's strictly speaking Jewish. This begs the question: why is there no country out there that's officially Hindu? To all you Buddhists whining and bitching about how Hindus have imposed Hinduism on you-- if we have imposed Hinduism on you, why are you still practicing Buddhism? Hinduism does not convert people, as you know. So it is paramount for us that we protect our religion. We will be as extinct as the dodo otherwise. It is bound to happen because we do not convert people, while other religions do. Buddhism for example allows other people to become Buddhists. Hindus are born Hindus; if you're not born a hindu, you're a tree-hugging hippie at best. You all can see that this issue has made many of us take extremist positions. It is an attack on our religion, nothing more, nothing less . It angers me, and it angers many more non-practicing Hindus like me.
You all want an egalitarian Nepal with no religious conflicts. Well, here's a shocker: we have virtually never had any religous conflicts in the past. We will now because of this change in the constitution. If a non-practicing Hindu like me, who doesn't give a rat's ass about Hinduism is so riled up about this change, just imagine how religious Hindus are feeling right now. I am not a supporter of the king by any means. Look, our politicians are just trying to contain the Maoists. By doing so, they have woken up a sleeping giant. Yeah, the sleeping giant is us Hindus as a collection. Many will probably take it to the streets to protest. Many will probably take arms and fight back. This is a bad situation. As I said, we Nepalis have never had any religous problems, but we will have some soon enough. There is no doubt in my mind, because politicians have unwittingly fanned the flames of hatred. All you Buddhists have choices if religious conflicts were to erupt in Nepal: there are tons of Buddhist nations that will welcome you with open arms. The question is, where do Hindus from India and Nepal go? We have nowhere to run, nowhere to hide. We're screwed.

Majority of guys who post on this forum from US, enjoy freedom to eat beef (I have no objection for that).....and posting message on Sajha thread about keeping Nepal as a Hindu state........
.......spreading rumor.....propaganda about religion such as.......Nepal going to be like iraq...india...... nepal becoming muslim state.....christian state....... now able to have 5 wifes whatsoever........

SHAME ON YOU ALL SO CALLED HINDU GUYS.............

For your information, I was born in hindu family, and still have a believe in Hinduism and it will be forever.

But try to respect other religion and the changed in country too..........
Only way to go now on, Nepal being a secular state............
endof...............

To all the people who use foul language and call this propaganda:
Friends, I believe that u has full rights to come and say whatever u wants. But I request you if you have nothing much intelligent to say, please don’t use foul languages to people who are not so happy that Nepal has been secular. This is not propaganda or anything this is discussion on why it is good to be secular and why Hindu country would have been better. I think you guys are educated and don’t suit you guys calling people with difference in opinion racist, religious propaganda and using foul languages. Thanks.


SS47k, I am sorry dude I didn’t read the entire link. But let me tell u one thing .I have been in closed contact with so called limbu janjati and tharu.So I guess I know little bit about them and how they think. Please don’t see me as person who has never been out of KTM.Anyways thanks for the link. And I am cool man I have nothing personally against you are anybody.

Bathroomcoffee:
You take religion as materialistic .Religion is spirituality. Yes Hindus have not been so rich as to distribute money and jobs but it does have lot to offer that will bring you more peace and might help u to change. And you got me wrong or you didn’t understand what I am saying. That what I am saying, was the religion main issue that our country didn’t develop. I don’t have bug up my ass.i am sorry to hear people like u can’t change.

Aznshwty:
Have you meet Jews people? Do you know how they feel about religion?

Peace in Nepal:
No one here is saying. Disrespect other religion. Either you are not following this thread carefully or you just like to jump in .Whatever it is question I am debating is eating cow or not? Eat whatever you like .When Maoist is going drink blood of Nepalese people what is cow.

To all other whom I am having conversation:
It is evident that, I cannot convince you why it was wrong to do what spa did and you iterating why it is good Nepal be secular cannot convince me .We put forward our views. And now we see we are divided. Were we divided in this issue before this proclamation? Exactly we didn’t even thought about it. Now it has forced people to think about it .Which is not a good sign .Could go either way.
Everyone (except few) were living in harmony.Muslim-hindu(unlike anywhere in the world),hindu-buddist.Christians had rights to open churches and convert people. with dollars flowing from Vatican. But now this topic has been touched. And I believe you and I know this is sensitive issue. Hindus are going to be sensitive about this issue more than ever in the history of Nepal.(Ex: 10 people killed in Iraq, remember what happened).You and I cannot deny the fact that what kind of mentality Nepalese public has.(not to offend anyone). We are Hindu (not all) and we are fighting in this issue. I request you I do understand you instance why it is good to be Secular but you need to think calmly at what price???

PeaceInNepal,

Good thought!

ImI,
“Till this proclamation, i really didn't thought about religion so strongly .but this hasty and unwanted decision has made me think twice about my religion and other religion in Nepal”
Me too

“CHANGING IN NEPAL SHOULD NOT BE BEGINNING CHANGING THE NAME SHOULD BE ENDING” At least you do believe that changes in our or any society is inevitable. It will be done someday, peacefully or through a bloody war. So my question to you is: Why not now? Why not be happy with it if it is achieved with peace?

“It was so difficult for people, LIKE U, to digest there was 1 Hindu country in this world.”
Let me take you on a crash course history of Nepal, the recent one, let’s not go back too far,
Shahs Dynasty-Hindu
Ranas-Hindu
Democratic parties-Hindu
Maoist leaders-Hindu
Gayne aka Bhishnu-Hindu
May 2006 decision maker, Girija-Hindu
The history of Nepal with pure Hindu dominance and the country going nowhere,
you still blame us when you’re loosing your foothold in the society. Do you think it’s fair? Can’t you see your own flaws and honestly accept your past and move on. Yes, people were free to practice religion under Hindu, but converting to a different religion was still looked down at. If you say it was free for everybody to practice their own religion, then why are you so scared when it’s given the proper legal stamp for the term. It’s like living together in a relationship all this time but not officially getting married when you term the phrase “Under Hindu, everybody was free to practice their religion”. So the couples are officially married now, isn’t that better?. If you have failed again and again from the Stone Age till now, don’t you think that people have lost faith in you by now? Can’t you throw in that small piece of crumb to other non Hindu? Why not give the chance and the opportunity to someone else. Maybe a dalit, kami or a sherpa might change the course. Have a heart.

“No matter how much people defend here in sajah. Religious Violence is inevitable in future of Nepal”
You’ll be the first one to start that with your fanaticism or someone like you.

Ok FINE NOW .THEN BE DEMOCRATIC AND SPEAK FOR VOTE.IF SO BE COMMUNIST AGENDA .MAKE ALL HINDU IN NEPAL REALIZE WHY NOT HINDU BY SPREADING U MESSAGE DURING ELECTION.NOT IN THIS WAY.THIS HAS ALIENATED A LOT. MAN DON'T ACCUSE ME OF ANYTHING THAT SORT .I AM NOT BASHING ANY OTHER RELIGION OUT HERE IF U ARE FOLLOWING MY THREAD CAREFULLY.


I JUST THINK IN DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY THERE SHOULD BE PROCESS AND EVERYONE HAS RIGHT TO SPEAK ABOUT IT.YOU DO NOT HAVE TO TEACH ME ABOUT SECULARISM(NOT TO OFFEND U).I KNOW.YES, CHANGE IN INEVITABLE BUT IF IT WAS DONE BY PUBLIC WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER.HINDING IN TO SELF INTEREST GROUP AGENDA IS NOT RIGHT WAY TO GO.IF MAJORITY OF PUBLIC WOULD HAVE WANTED THAT I WOULD GALDLY ACCEPTED IT.

WHY DO U THINK ALL THE PEOPLE IN ISLAMIC STATES , BUDDIST,CHRISTIAN, JEWS STATE ARE STUPID .AND NEPALESE ARE SO SMART.OUR POLTICIANS ARE WITH VISION AND ALL OTHERS ARE DUMB ASSES.

I TOLD U AGAIN AND AGAIN .IF I WERE ONLY ONE SO MANY OTHER PEOPLE WOULD NOT HAVE COME INSUPPORT OR AGAINST THIS ISSUE.AND AGAIN U ARE BLAMING HINDUISM FOR STATE CONDITION.PLEASE READ ABOVE THREADS.

WHY NOT NOW BEACAUSE NOT RIGHT TIME, NOT RIGHT METHOD.. DOESN'T BRING PEACE.U MAY SAY WE HAVE NOW .WELL THE COUNTRY IS INVOLVED IN SOMETHING ELSE ONCE THAT GETS SETTLED U WILL SEE.NOTHING MUCH TO SAY.THANKS FOR LISTENING THAT IS IF U ARE LISTENING

"The history of Nepal with pure Hindu dominance and the country going nowhere,"

Boy, aren't you a genius? So you're trying to imply that the religion of the Shahs/bahuns/chettris had something to do with Nepal's backwardness. You're a Buddhist. There are tons of Buddhist countries in the world. Second, no matter how you try to spin it, you cannot change this fact: Nepal is predominantly a Hindu nation. Bahuns, Chettris, Thakuris and Madhesis combined make up more than 50% of Nepal's population. Add in Newars and Magars, many of whom are Hindus, like my good friend who got married the Hindu way only recently, and the name is well above the 60's, ASSUMING that the census has been manipulated, as you so claim, for which there is actually NO actual evidence. If you have trouble with Hindus, go to Thailand or that place called Tibet where you came from--oh that's right the Chinese government doesn't allow you to practice your religion. Second, give me an answer: did Nepali Hindus ever impose their religion on you? How are you still a Buddhist? You see, Hindus in Pakistan/Afghanistan have either been forced to convert to Islam, have been chased away to India, or have been massacred like crazy. If your ass hasn't realized it yet, we Hindus are a tolerant bunch. I can't say that about other religions out there.

"But converting to a different religion was still looked down at. "
Wars in certain places in Africa have erupted in certain regions in Africa due to conversion of the gullible folks. Muslims and Christians are heading towards a head-on collision. Why can't you understand that conversion is not good for HINDUS, because Hinduism doesn't allow people to convert, while other religions can convert Hindus. Listen up buddy, if you have a problem living with Nepal's Hindu majority, why don't you move your ass to Thailand or some other place where Buddhism is the majority? Even if Hindus make up only 60% of Nepal's population, we're still the majority. Get that through your head.

That article does talk much about why indegnious people are backward,supresed and very poor as you said earlier.It said that indeginous people were not supposed to talk about ethnic group and could not represent in the national politics in their ethnic names.during panchayat regime,They could not demand for linguistic freedom nor could they talk about secularism. The state policy throughout the panchayat rule was monolithic and only the constitution of 1991 admitted nepal as as multi-ethnic, multi-cultural and multi-lingual country.Since common culture was thought essential for nation-building, monolithic policies for one nation, one language, one religion and one culture was officially promoted giving special privilege to Khasa Nepali language and Parbatiya Hindu culture as national. During the panchayat regime, debates and efforts pertaining to ethnicity and cultures other than "national" culture was discouraged as communal and anti-national and therefore met with strong official oppositions.

Indigenous peoples have multiple issues of development. They have issues of land, languages, citizenship certificates, health, education, employment etc. Up to 95 percent of the highly marginalized indigenous peoples like Chepang, Santhal, Kisan, Jhagad, Munda, are landless peoples. They erect small huts either along the roadsides or at marginal public lands. Without lands, they cannot have their citizenship certificates and without citizenship certificates, indigenous peoples cannot have access even to the basic social facilities of health and education. The national census report shows that 0.74 million or 18% of the total school going age children are out of school and the majority of them come from indigenous communities. The failure and school drop out rates are also highest among indigenous peoples. This is attributed to the poverty of the parents and language in the schools. So indigenous peoples are also demanding special programs to eradicate poverty. They demand multicultural educational environment focusing particularly education in mother languages

I found this article pretty interesting and found they are much vulenrable from everywhere as you said religous changes. I didn't copy and paste most of them because i am feeling lazy....
The first and the second are the same article, one in HTML and other in PDF.

OK, I give up.
IMI, thanks for the time and the view, they were very insighful. If I slipped anything to offend, I take that back.
Seriousguy,
I have nothing to say but "GOOD LUCK"

TO ALL,
IT WAS REALLY NICE DISCUSSION .NOW I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY.FUTURE WILL TELL IT. IF WE ARE STILL ALIVE WE WILL SEE THE FATE OF OUR COUNTRY.LET THERE BE REAL DEMOCRACY IN NEPAL.LET THERE BE PEACE.I HOPE THERE WOULD BE PEACE.WITH THIS KIND OF STARTING OF NEW NEPAL.I AM VERY PESIMIST.YOU KNOW MY FEARS.

VOTEEE AND OTHERS THANKS I RESPECT YOUR OPINION.I ALSO SO KNOW IT WOULD BE AN IDEAL WORLD IF PEOPLE DIDN'T FIGHT FOR RELIGION.IF PEOPLE DIDN'T EXPLOIT POOR.THEY HAVE BEEN EXPLOITED BY HINDU AS YOU GUYS MENTIONED AND SURE AND CERTAIN THEY WILL BE IN NEW NEPAL FROM CHRISTIAN MISSIONARIES AND OTHERS.

IT JUST THAT IF WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING DEMOCRATIC .LET IT BE EVEN AS MUCH DEMOCRATIC AS SAJHA.AT LEAST GOT TO PUT OUR POINT ACROSS.THE SPA LEADERS DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.

IF U AGREE WITH ME THE COMMON UNDERSTANDING OF YOUR POINT OF VIEW AND PEOPLE LIKE MY POINT OF VIEW WOULD BE ELECTION.NOW U HAVE TO ADMIT THAT.I AM ADMITTING IT UNLESS U WANT TO GOVERN AS COMMUNIST.
GOD BLESS.

my last words on the issue of why Nepal needs to be a "secular state".

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"Hindu Nepal" is a demand of the India-based fundamentalist orgs and Hindus as well as their stooges in Nepal (palace sympathizers, bharat Keshari, Nepal chapters of VHP and Shiva Sena). These orgs and Hindus affiliated to them are bigots and supremacists.
Discredited Jaswant Singh of India was quoted saying: "I was hurt by the statement to the effect that Nepal is a secular Nepal". And why not? "Hindu Nepal" gives these India-based orgs and Hindus a lever to influence political/cultural/economic happenings in Nepal. Many people on Sajha are playing right into their hands. I do not see Nepali Hindus out on the streets asking the House of Reps to retract their statement about "Nepal going secular." But we hear about India-based fundamentalist Hindu orgs and Hindus being pissed! When they know that their chances of meddling in tomorrow's Nepal are grim, they cry foul. The sooner Nepal distances itself from their polluted clutches, the better it is for all concerned. Nepal has to come out of the shadow of "Indian Hindu Fundamentalism."

That Hindus treated other religions okay under "Hindu Nepal" seems fine to an extent. But my beef (pun intended) is not against the Hindus but rather against the Hindu state. In the past, the state foisted a "Hindu" regime on its peoples. Was that decision ever put to a vote? Hell no! Well, what's wrong with scrapping the "Hindu state" tag, since it was not legitimate to begin with? If it can be institutionalised without a vote, it, too, can be removed without a vote! The SPA did the right thing. It was not an anti-Hindu act on their part! It was their response to people’s call for “Samabeshi loktantra.” Certainly, “Secular Nepal” is a necessary but not a sufficient condition to making “loktantra” more inclusive.

Most recently, the palace-appointed government doled out money to Bharat Keshari's Hindu org as well as patronised many Hindu institutions to strengthen the hold of autocratic rule. It is these fundamentalist Hindus who strengthened King Gyanendra's autocratic rule - which is why he was always been keen on visiting Hindu congregations and temples and wasting money from state coffers than building roads and bridges – key demands of the people he met? Why should the taxes gotten from people of all religious hues go exclusively to Hindu institutions and Sanskrit schools? This is unfair, and this is offensive to the people of all religious hues, including reform-minded Hindus. Why do you think the India-based Hindu orgs and Hindus (as well as their stooges in Nepal) are demanding that Nepal be re-declared a "Hindu state"? Then they get funding from Nepali government - which only strengthens their hold over Nepal as well as their false-God-king. You think the Nepali people, including the enlightened Hindus, are willing to believe in the “mandate of heaven”. “Secular Nepal” is all about separation of separation of religion and state.

Do you think all this state money strengthens Hinduism's appeal or sanctimony? Think again! These fundamentalists or the Hindu state don't care about Hinduism - the Hindu state cares about using the followers of Hinduism as vote banks to stay in power by throwing some bread crumbs at them! This is a pork-barrel approach! This is misuse of state treasury. This can only happen under "Hindu state" and will continue to happen if "Secularism is not institutionalized soon enough."

Where did all the state monies given to fundamentalist Hindu orgs, who were all to eager to roll out the red carpet for autocratic king, go? Of course, into the pockets of the leaders of fundamentalist Hindu organisations!

The Kathmandu hilltop Hindu shiva lingas and tridents are crumbling. Pashupati Nath, like the supposedly holy Bagmati, continues to give off strong stenches of chakribad, greed, misuse of fund, mismanagement, etc. Dalits are fleeing from Hinduism. Christianity is on the rise! Even Hindus are fleeing Hinduism. Father Sharma and Father Upadhya give sermons as pastors in makeshift churches across Nepal! This is a triumph of “free will” over "pre-determinism".

The Christians have been successful in raising rural/semi-rural literacy! They have empowered people sufficiently that the latter have agitated against their exploitative Hindu jamindars. Don’t give me that crap about Christian missionaries doling out cetamol (that’s a standard cliché) - these Christians are actually empowering people! This is Christian aid put to good use.

Well when the Hindu state gives out money of its own peoples exclusively to fundamentalist Hindu orgs and Sanskrit schools (which can only happen under "Hindu Nepal") you keep mum, but when it is the Christian aid (other people's money) being put to good use, you suddenly have problems with Christian missionaries! You guys are hypocrites! At least we know the Christian approach is cleaner: they are not misusing state money (their money comes by and large from abroad) unlike the Hindu state. The Hindu state collects from people of all religious hues and gives it exclusively to Hindu institutions and Sanskrit Universitities! This is state-sanctioned discrimination!

When the people from other religious groups cried foul, the Supreme Court threw the case out citing "But you know what, this is a Hindu state". Don't give me that crap about how under “Hindu Nepal”, there have been no unequal treatment of other religions. “Harmonious coexistence” is a lie that the fundamentalist Hindus have been propagating! This is a lie we’ve been made to memorize from the textbooks that are a throw back to the Panchayati era.

Like I mentioned the Dalits are fleeing Hinduism as if they were fleeing a plague. Even Hindus are fleeing Hinduism. Talk about ‘harmonious coexistence.” There is no harmony within Hinduism itself. If there were “harmonious co-existence” among religions, would janjatis, dalits, Muslims, Chritians, enlightened women (who believe that patriarchy has been given protection by the Hindu state) who make up over half the Nepal’s population demand “samabeshi loktantra”, with “Secular Nepal” as one of their key agenda?

Mr Narayan Pokhrel, a reform minded homegrown Hindu, who actually begins to clean up the image of Hinduism is allegedly taken out by Bharat Keshari Singh’s group. And yet you clamor for "Hindu Nepal". Sorry guys, this will only strengthen Hindu fundamentalist forces even as they trample all over Hinduism (which they see as a means to an end) for their political gains.

Only by making "Nepal secular" will we deal a strong blow to the hold India-based fundamentalist Hindu orgs and Hindus as well as their Sankarachayras (or their stooges in Nepal) have over the politics Nepal. When the state stops doling out money to fundamentalist Hindu institutions (as it did to Bharat Keshari's group) or giving them "protection money”, this will weaken the fundamentalist elements. The fundamentalists have already been considerably weakened, which is why India-based fundamentalist Hindu orgs and Hindus (and their sympathizers from Nepal) are the ones raising hues and cries the loudest, not necessarily the Nepali Hindus. Thankfully, the fundamentalists’ cries are being drowned out by the pre-monsoon showers of Nepal.

Of course, in the short term, the fundamentalists, now wounded to the core, will try to cause problems, but they will soon expose themselves for who they are, if they already haven’t: supremacists, bigots and religious extremists all rolled into one!

Some sajha people's argument for why Nepal should stay a "Hindu state": Then they will be able to say to their foreign friends, "You know what, Nepal is the only Hindu state in the world", and feel good about saying this! Funny argument!

Secularism is the way to go! It is good for all religions, but mostly of all for Hinduism.

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Karmapa,
>My last words on the issue

Running out of distorted facts and assumptions and like to repeat the same thing over and over again??

> "Hindu Nepal" is a demand of the India-based fundamentalist orgs and Hindus as well as their stooges in Nepal (palace sympathizers, bharat Keshari, Nepal chapters of VHP and Shiva Sena). These orgs and Hindus affiliated to them are bigots and supremacists.

dont make me laugh. You cannot justify and here you go play a blame for the fault of the fked up leader GPK. I think the above statement fits you better than anyone else..

>And why not? "Hindu Nepal" gives these India-based orgs and Hindus a lever to influence political/cultural/economic happenings in Nepal.

Assumptions, assumptions and more assumptions. Hindu organizations in India have little influence in the polity of Nepal versus the non-religious groups. The most influential one - Sitaram Yachuri who can change what the maoabdis think and want. Now you tell me who has more (negative) impact in Nepal, religious or non-religious groups??

Even though you have quoted some facts but they are highly distorted and most are assumptions. Here have it your way and believe it the way you want it..

I might answer later to show your distorted, misjudged and misguided your statements truly are..

Hinduism differs from Christianity and other religions in that it does not have a single founder–like that Jesus, Buddha, mohammad.

Here It goes the major religions of the world Ranked by Number of its followers: Christianity: 1.2 Billion, Islam: 1.3 Billion, Secular/Nonreligious: 1.1 Billion, Hinduism: 900 million, Buddhism: 376 million.

Look how Christianity is rising day by day. Sooner or later late Pope John Paul’s dream of turning Asia into Christianity wont be far distant dream, it is slowly gaining ground.
Hinduism is 900 million but I am sure that it has more than 1 billion followers, thanks to immense Christians and other followers of Yoga and thereby turning into Hinduism. Yes, Hinduism does not accept the conversion to their religion but it is only on theory.

Many christians who have been the avid followers of Yoga, a Hinduism physical and spiritual practice,established by great sage, Patanjali, are slowly turning themselves into Hinduism, esp in USA. Many yoga institutions being opened there are testimony to it.

Being Nepal secular country will profit mainly Christianity since they have the trend of coaxing the poor innocent to turn into their religion. They will be in full swing at this. I am afraid that many be in the distant future, Hindus will dwindle to few million.

To stop this disaster from happening, Hindus, esp from high caste shouldn’t look down upon the low caste ones, instead show compassion and amenity and hand of help to them and the government should give ear to this plight. Hindus worldwide should put their heads together to make good the loss of Hinduism exigency. Now the responsibility lies on young shoulder like yours.

if we are to argue on facts after facts and each of us claiming our facts to be this tread will never end... from what i see those who want hindu state are mostly afraid of change and those who want a secular state think that when had hindu state they were marginalized by bias policies towards hindu... but the main question is weather who is the mojority of the nation or the marginalization of the rest in the past, the question is all of you daughters and son of nepal want in the future not for yourselves alone but also others in nepal. the person whom will be standing beside you as nepal citizens.. your brothers, your sisters, your friends.... pls always don't think what others cannot have but rather what others can have together with oneself even with different views..there is/must be a common goal.wish within all of us for peace, progress and respect for all people of nepal!!!... and in this fools mind, i think secular state respects all. or you all to continue want claim of birth place of buddha and sita or mount everest is not nepal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lets work to keep this things together rather a word secular which in this tread hindus have said " hindu is secula ".. so to that hindus of nepal when you look at secular just imagine hindu and the rest see it as it... peace and best wishes!!!

sorry: it should be Christianity: 2.1 billion in above writing. i.e two times more than that of Hinduism.

Hindus in India do not feel the majority at all. There is a reason on why the BJPs and Shiva Senas exist in India. Even though India is a secular state the Muslim religion beliefs are the law for example any Muslim can marry many wives, it is not forbidden even though non-Muslims cannot do that. Muslims can still divorce by saying "talak" and that becomes valid in court and the husband does not have to prove anything else, his words will be the final verdict. Why does a secular country gives privilege to one minority only and grant its religious right versus majority has no say about their religious beliefs when it comes to law?
If this is the type of freedom we want for Nepal, where the majorities have no rights versus the minority I have nothing to say. If the people do not mind seeing the cow being butchered in their backyard, I have nothing to say. Now we will openly see other religions openly making fun of our gods as well.

SHIV and friends... why just because india has it, why nepal must have it.. futhermore all the bad things...??? try to be more positive... if you are concern for the women in nepal thats, good on you but in nepal be it what may be in the past or even now there are also not much rights for women. someone told me that in singapore also a secular state, muslim are not allowed to marry more then 2 wives... alll its citizen regardless of religion must follow state law!!! so you may like to check that out yourself for a better view of those who has better secular state and is this improving! about the cow understand it holy to many... but well what do you do when you watch TV or overseas???

correct sentence below:

someone told me that in singapore also a secular state, muslim are not allowed to marry more then 1 wife... all its citizen regardless of religion must follow state law!!!

I like to repeat myself so that you guys get it. besides this thread does not appear as one long continuous thread - it is broken up into segments (1,2,3,4,5,6) as that it has become quite long. so many new readers may not get a chance to read what I have to say, which is why is I am having to repeat myself.

this is my response to shiva.

These are not assumptions, my friend, these are my educated guesses, and you know what, these are becoming increasingly confirmed as I write this. India-based Hindu fundamentalist orgs and Hindus are the ones raising hues and cries over Nepal's secular status the loudest. The Indian papers have written that these Indian fundamentalists have threatened to kick out the Nepalis (including Hindu Nepalis) from their states, as will as shut down the border. Jaswant Singh's expressing 'feeling of hurt' is telling very telling.

You know what Shiva? I don't see the Nepali Hindus taking to the streets really.

Though some Nepali Hindus (and they are a minority) are ranting against the House of Reps' declaration to go secular on this Sajha thread, by and large the louder voices are emanating from India. Why? No point for guessing correctly. They know that they are gonna lose control over Nepal's politics (which is mixed with Hindu religion) as well as over Pashupati Nath Temple and other cash cows (yes pun intended) - eg. the Nepal State's largesses.

yeah right, you think Yachuri has influence over the maobadis? go ahead elaborate. let me hear you out. you have not said anything yet.

Shiva, you are right to point out that Indian Hindus are not a majority in India, which is why they are having to depend on an event happening in Nepal to whip up Indian Hindu Nationalism to stage a comeback to power in India. Don’t you get it? The BJP resides in pointlessness. Which shows how desperate their situation is becoming!

Hey Shiv, looks like you are envying Muslim males because they can marry up to 4 wives while all you can do is imagine their good luck and jerk off! Why don't ya convert to Islam - and do what they are doing? I have heard of some Aryal guy who converted to Islam in the Nepali Terai. The Kantipur had an article on the guy. He is probably married to four wives too – he is an example of the triumph of 'free will' over 'pre-determinism'. Who said you cannot convert?

So all I'm hearing here in the Sajha thread up to now is pretty funny:

* People are saying they hate "Secular Nepal" because they are losing their bragging right to say: "Nepal is the only Hindu country in the world" and feel good about themselves.

* People are saying that they hate "Secular India/Nepal" because Muslims can marry upto 4 wives while the Hindus have to satisfy themselves with only one [or else jerk off].

If this is the extent of the argument being put forward by my Sajhaite colleagues in favor of "Hindu state", I have no further comment.

Nepal is sajha forum for everybody from now on.

No more existence of rule of law. We rather prefer the principle ` Might is right`.

Now the SPA with Maoists have power and they can rule by their proclamation . Next is Maoists, the greatest winner by the use of SPA power, who will rule by their proclamation. Finally will come the turn of ultimate winner,India to proclaim that Nepal is part of India.

Before Nepali realise the fact that the wrong trend had started with their own power, it will be too late and the only option left will be to accept themselves as Indians.