Model 1: Girija Is To Be Blamed

The NC was in power more than most during the 90s, and Girija was Prime Minister more than most. But instead of consolidating the democracy, the Girijas of the world became the new establishment. Massive corruption was institutionalized. The aspiratinos of the Madhesis, the Janajatis, the Dalits, the women, the poor were not given proper channels. Things fall apart when the center can not hold.

Girija's inflexibility that served so well in his quest for democracy became his bane post-democracy. A party with a clear majority going for mid-term elections is ridiculous. Girija does not know how to save face: he only knows how to corner his opponents into desperation. He does not understand compromise and coalition building is the name of the game in a democratic framework.

Because the moderate center did not perform, the left and the right came in to fill the vacuum.

Model 2: King G Is To Be Blamed

The king gets neither democracy nor constitutional monarchy, or he would not talk of being a "constructive monarch." He has acted a mirror image of the Maoists in trying to fill the vacuum left by the political parties. That might be cunning, and possible in the murky waters of today, but it is not magananimous. The king patronizingly refers to the country as his family. That shows a lack of gut-feel for basic premises in democracy.

King G got Chand to almost double the royal budget. That is NC style brahmaloot many times over.

Model 3: Deuba Is To Be Blamed

Why get rid of the parliament, bro! In the first place....

Model 4: The Maoists Are To Be Blamed

Not even the Chinese are Maoists anymore. The haat bazar in a remote village in Nepal is the market economy in action. The ancient Buddhist republics were democracies in action. Those twins are the necessary engines for growth. Gorbachev knows more about communist theory than Prachanda or Baburam, and he has said the market is it.

The LTTE have been far more lethal than the Maoists can ever hope to be, militarily. And the LTTE were not able to take over Colombo even after 20 vicious years. So the military option is out.

It is laughable of the Maoists to think the king will willingly give over power. Not this king. If anything King G will want to expand his role.

The dictatorship of the proletariat is not about to happen. Instead it is a game of who will blink first, and the two extreme sides do not care if the commoners suffer in the interim.

Supermodel 1: Panchayat II

There is a very real possibility the king decides he has had enough of it, and he plain takes over. Which will be the final blow of the right to the rest of the political spectrum. But such a move will, by definition, engineer a massive backlash. And more than Maoists will rally behind an all-out call for a republic.

Supermodel 2: "Jana Sarkar"

That does not exist in the rural areas either. It is more statelessness, lawlessness. And the urban centers hold strong. It can not be imagined Kathmandu can be taken over by the Maoists.

Not going to happen.

Supermodel 3: Constituent Assembly

This is the only option for quickie peace. But one suspects those now in power will not go for it. Instead they will wait and wait and wait. For the Maoists to possibly tire out. In the mean time, the people be damned.

Iraq will soon have elections for such a thing. And they will do fine for it.

Let the people decide.

But such a move will have to be simultaneous a total disarming of the Maoists.

Supermodel 4: Inflexibility

That Giriaj disease pervades the entire political spectrum. Mero goru ko barhai takka. This more than anything else is holding progress back.

दादागिरीजी, मलाई सम्बोधन गर्नु भा पछिल्ला पोस्टीङमा केही कुरा आग्राका र गाग्राका जस्ता पनि भए भने बाँकी तपाईका प्रश्नहरुले गहन र बृहद उत्तरको अधिकार राख्तछन् । सबै प्रश्नको सन्तोषजनक उत्तर मसँग अवश्य छैन । तर गणतन्त्रसंग जोडिएका सबालहरुको बारेमा मेरो व्यक्तिगत विचारहरु जरुर राख्नेछु, तपाई सोध्दै जानुहोस् ।

छुवाछुत सामाजिक बिमारी हुनुसंगै मनोवैज्ञानिक बिमारी पनि हो । यसको उपचार राजनैतिक र शैक्षिक दुबै तहमा हुनुपर्छ । गणतन्त्रले छुवाछुत चट्टै निको अवश्य पार्ने होईन । तर एक उच्च ठकुरी जातका परिवारका जेठा छोरा मात्र राज्यको सर्वोच्च सम्माननिय व्यक्ति हुन पाउछ भन्ने मान्यतालाई टुँडिखेलमा खाल्डै खनेर पुरिदिएपछि अर्थात जुन जातको मान्छेले पनि चुनाव जितेर श्रीपेज पहिरिन पाउँछ (प्रतिकात्मक अर्थमा) भन्ने मान्यता स्थापना भएपछि त्यो बिमारीको उपचार पक्कै बढी सजिलो हुन्छ जस्तो लाग्छ मलाई ।

तर मेरो बहस छुवाछुत व्यवहारबाट हटाउने कुरामा सिमित थिएन । वृहद सामाजिक न्यायको मान्यतालाई शासकको निगाह र goodwill को रुपमा हैन हरेक जनजाती, हरेक क्षेत्र, हरेक धर्म, हरेक वर्ग र हरेक विविधताको अधिकारको रुपमा र पाखण्डरहित (राजतन्त्र भित्रको समानता एक पाखण्ड हो) तरिकाले स्थापना गरेसी पर्ने फरकको कुरा गरेको हुँ । अझ उता तपाईले राजतन्त्रले उत्तानो टाङ लाएसी जातजातीहरु हानाहान गरेर देश टुकुर्याउने हुन् कि भन्ने आशयको शंशय व्यक्त गर्नु भएको हो कि (Isolated Freak जस्ता राजावादी alarmists हरुको कुरा सुनी) भनेर गणतन्त्रले त जनजातिय एकताको एकमात्र दिगो आधार, समानता को मान्यता, स्थापना गरेर एकतालाई अझ बढी सम्भव बनाउछ भनेर पाण्डित्याँई छाँटेको हुँ मैले । मैले hypothetical कुरा गरेको भन्नुहुन्छ भने, गणतन्त्र नआउन्जेल गणतन्त्रको कुरा हाईपोथेसिस नभए "लु हेर् देखिस्" हुन्छ कि क्या हो ?

निस्क्रिय राजतन्त्र सहितको प्रजातन्त्र को कुरा गरेर तपाईले एउटा चाखको बहस छेड्नु भो । मलाई आउनै बाँकी गणतन्त्रको कुरा गर्दा hypothetical term मा गर्छ भनेर निको नमान्ने, तपाई भने आएर पनि myth साबित भैसक्या कुरालाई ठाडै देख्या नदेख्यै गरेर अझै hypothetical कुरा गर्ने ? ४६ साल अघि र पछिका केही वर्ष सम्म भए पनि रिजल्ट देखिनै बाँकी निस्क्रिय राजतन्त्र सहितको प्रजातन्त्र बारे hypothetical कुरा गरे नाई बुढाले भन्नुहुन्थ्यो । अब यत्ना वर्ष गर्न नसक्या कुन चै चमत्कार गर्न बाँकी छ लौ यो hypothetical नै सही निस्क्रिय राजतन्त्र सहितको प्रजातन्त्रले ?

नेपालाँ राजतन्त्र निस्कृय देखिन चै सक्छ हुन चै सक्तैन । गएका डेढ दशके experiment को conclusion त्यै हो । राजाले काम गर्ने भनेकै निस्कृय देखिएर गर्ने हो । वीरेन्द्र निस्कृय देखिएर पनि उसका र उसका बाउको बिरासतका सारा पुराना कुरालाई बेरुजु, बेउजुरयोग्य र सुरक्षित राख्न सके । हाम्रा केही ग्वाँच केटाहरुको भ्रमको विपरित वीरेन्द्रले प्रजातन्त्रलाई कहिले पनि रुचाएनन् । ज्ञानेन्द्र त पुरै बाउको बिंडो थाम्न कम्मर कसेर लागेको छ । आशु तिवारीको राजा र प्रजा को एकताको आव्हान एसबेला उसलाई अति खाँचो छ । आशुले ढिलोचाँडो गोरखा दक्षिण बाहु पाएनन् भने मलाई उदेक लाग्नेछ

राजनैतिक पार्टीहरु र राजाको अर्धघोषित साझा राजसत्ताको हाम्रो मोडेल त्यस्तो हुन पुग्यो जस्तो अल्छी र कामुक दुई लोग्नेहरुबीच एउटा निरिह साझा पत्नीको । पाण्डवहरुको घराँ त्यो मोडेल सफलतापूर्वक चल्यो होला । नेपालाँ फेल खायो । यो फेल खाको कुरा denial गरि बस्दा नै माओवादी यसरी ह्वात्त बढ्न सक्या हुन् । माओवादीहरु उनिहरुको सकारात्मक कारणले बलिया भएका होईनन्, हाम्रा नकारात्मक कारणले बलिया भएका हुन् । हामीले राजालाई गद्दिमा राखेर निस्कृय पार्न नसकेको कुरा एक र राजा र पार्टीहरुको साझा पत्नीवारी चल्न नसकेको कुरा दुई लाई ईमान्दारीका साथ admit नगरीकन न त माओवादीलाई परास्त गर्न सक्नेछौं न त देशलाई चाहिएको व्यापक परिवर्तन् / सुधारहरु नै थाल्न सक्छम् । राजा र प्रजाको एकताद्वारा माओवादीलाई खतम गर्ने आशुका कुरा गँजडी hypothesis हुन्, at best. In reality, जुन म व्याख्या गरुँला अलि पछि, फटाहा कुरा हो एकताको कुरा ।

तपाईले गाँउ फर्क को कुरा निकाल्नु भो । तपाईको point बुझिएन तर जे भए नि त्यो माटो सुहाउदो पन्चैती पर्जातन्त्रको महान गाईजात्रामा पुगेर टुङ्गियो । शहरबाट सुकिलो लुगा लगार आका मान्छेले हाम्रा गाम्का पर्धान, उपपर्धान, वडा सदस्से मनोनयन गरेर फर्कन्थे सर्वसम्मती गरेको बनेर । राजमुटुको, राजमुकुट हो क्यारे, त्यस्को बारेमा दिन्थे लामा लामा लेक्चर गाम्लेहरुलाई, अरास्टे तत्व भन्ने भूत चिन्छम् भन्थे, तर नाम चाही बताउदैनथे । गजबको समय थियो त्यो ।

शान्तिक्षेत्रको कुरा । त्यो चाही वीरेन्द्रको एउटा ठूलै काम हो । बिहेको जन्तीबाख्रो खान आका पाम्नालाई के भनुँ के भनुँ भएर "मेरा गोबरग्वाँच रैतिहरुको कानमा मीठो सुनिने एउटा नाम राख्न परो, यसलाई शान्ति क्षेत्र भन्द् याओन भाई" भन्या के थे, भटाभट भैहाल्चनि किन नभन्थेम र भन्न थाली हाले पाउनाहरु । the rest is history, as they say.

हाम्रा भारतिय मित्र, जिज्ञासु भनम् कि छुसी, चाही ले सोधेर मरे ? क्या हो यो शान्ति क्षेत्र भन्या ? अगर ये सिरिफ नाम है तो नाम मे क्या रक्खा है ? बस् खेल खत्तम ।

आशुका राजा र प्रजा का एकता को गँजडी गफ को बारेमा अलि पछि ॥

वृहद सामाजिक न्यायको मान्यतालाई शासकको निगाह र goodwill को रुपमा हैन हरेक जनजाती, हरेक क्षेत्र, हरेक धर्म, हरेक वर्ग र हरेक विविधताको अधिकारको रुपमा र पाखण्डरहित (राजतन्त्र भित्रको समानता एक पाखण्ड हो) तरिकाले स्थापना गरेसी पर्ने फरकको कुरा गरेको हुँ । अझ उता तपाईले राजतन्त्रले उत्तानो टाङ लाएसी जातजातीहरु हानाहान गरेर देश टुकुर्याउने हुन् कि भन्ने आशयको शंशय व्यक्त गर्नु भएको हो कि (Isolated Freak जस्ता राजावादी alarmists हरुको कुरा सुनी) भनेर गणतन्त्रले त जनजातिय एकताको एकमात्र दिगो आधार, समानता को मान्यता, स्थापना गरेर एकतालाई अझ बढी सम्भव बनाउछ भनेर पाण्डित्याँई छाँटेको हुँ मैले ।

Dear Nepe dai, I am really impressed by ur Ganatantra related topics. My personal belief is aslo like urz, but i am just confused what u are trying to say in above para. Its not i am questioning u but its due to my lack of knowledge in nepali bhasa. Especially from line 4.

aba hai..tyo raaatantra ra mawutaantra ko kuro garera tyam kina khera phalnu haina...tyo bela samma ta haina ..2 sarko chilim salkincha ni haina...khantti kuro ta yo po ho ta..jhan aba ta wikin ni awuna layo...jaand ready banayera raakhnu cha..get set ready to go garnu parcha..ki kaso! tyo rajniti ta Nepal ma garni ni haina! hariyo dollar khalti ma kochera raastaprem alapyo bhaney ta paila ko ma jasto huncha pheri..paila paila ma ni tyastai thiye kyara..hamro jatayu guru lay ek sarko dera aankha kholdya mero ta...aba hai..tyo bichara hamro desh ta sarrai sojho ni haina! sabbailey pallai palo lattyawuni..baalgiri ko saikal jasto..jalley payo woosley kudawuni......aba alikata hommak ni garnu cha aaja..natra bholi byana aachi khancha class ma...INS lay ni malai dherrai padhawula jasto cha....status lay garda dactar nai banawula jasto cha..natra ke khana padhthie ni ma pani!

aba haina! yasto dui paisey kuro katti garni sootni belama....je bhayeni yastai ho .....dherrai pir lina hunna aba..banchha bistarrai Nepal..Amrika jasto huncha ek din..Japan lai khai dincha babbai...heri mattai baschhu ke ma chai....girija lay baru dekhna pawuni ho ki napawuni ho...chaamrya dekhera ta dekhla jasto chhant lyai recha..tyo bajjey lay ni heros na ek phera...

herdai jaam hai..belabela yasto chhanda na chhant ko kuro gari rana parcha ke bela belan...sakkali kuro ta yo po ho ta gaanthey! kyarnu tyasto raaniti kuro garera!!!!!

Swati,
Unity based on the principle of equality as a right rather than as someone's mercy is more sustainable भन्न खोजेको । धन्यवाद छ है प्रोत्साहनको लागि ।
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सानो त्रुटी सुधार:

शान्ति क्षेत्र को कुरा जन्ती अगाडी हैन coronation का निम्तालु अगाडी भा हो ।

Nepe wrote:

"आशुले ढिलोचाँडो गोरखा दक्षिण बाहु पाएनन् भने मलाई उदेक लाग्नेछ"


Very funny, Nepe, very funny.
And also very cheap.

You do display a classic either-or Nepali communist mentality, which goes like this. If someone dares disagree with you or even dares question your thoughts or is ambivalent about them, then you go all out to paint that person as a stooge of some reactionary element. You then go on to repeat lies about that person so many times openly and publicly that those lies can be mistaken for the truth.

Nice try, Nepe.

But it won't work in my case.
I remain too independent to be a card-carrying member of any political sect.

While you are quick to make public (by now utterly silly) judgements about me, this is what I don't understand about you: For all your talks about gana-tantra, then what the hell are you doing in DC at this 40-plus age, obviously bored with beakers and titrations?

A quick search in databases does NOT establish you as a prolific or even remotely interesting scientific figure in any sense. So one can safely assume that other than
being just another apparatchik in a scientific building filled with 1000s of science PhDs, the existential question of "what should do I do with my life?" (well explored in Po Bronson's book of that same title) must haunt you for days, no?

Sure, your job may be in molecular biology, but your passion clearly lies in molecular politics. And who do you fancy yourself as-- some sort of Nepali Ayatollah, waiting to return to Nepal to ecstatic public acclaim after the fall of the Shah of Nepal? Give me a break.

Meantime, why not put your money where your mouth is, and return to Nepal and put yourself in harm's way to throw out the monarchy you so detest?

I mean, in terms of circumstances, if this is not an opportune time for you to excite Nepalis on the sadak of Nepal against the monarchy, when is?

But, realistically, you can't do any of that, can you?
Now or ever.

You are happy outsourcing your role to others in Nepal, while you enjoy the comfy life
in the US, hoin ta?

That is why, Nepe, I suspect that behind your bluster and cyber-bravado, you are basically a coward who fears uncertainties and ambiguities and the unknowns of real
life (or for that matter, of scientific research) and seeks solace in the kind of politics that offers you nothing but clear-cut certainties. Kinda like that the Maoists, in a different way.

That is why, you are atavistically and viscerally unable to even accept the possibility that there may well be OTHER ideas out there that do not match your own.

But you can't say any of this openly, and your weapon of choice is first try to co-opt others by flattering them, and when flattery doesn't work, then go all out to to ridicule others and deride them by hurling outlandish charges at them so that you can prop yourself up, hoina ta?

After all, not too long ago, with words of flattery, you were saying that you were confident that I, Ashu too, would someday turn into a hard-core republican. Now that
I continue to not be on your side, you turn nasty.

Isn't that so, Nepe-kazi?

Fortunately, there is plenty of room on Sajha for you as there is for others who may well think different from you on issues. And so it goes.

Finally, sure, my ideas are may well be "गँजडी गफ" to you, but let it be stated that you have NOT shown how they are indeed गँजडी गफ. As anyone who knows basic science knows, assertions are not proofs or evidence.

oohi
ashu

Nepe and especially this for u Ashu,


What type of people you both are - yahi ho educated, mature manche ko kaida. It's utterly embarassing the way both you guys behave most of the time at sajha, always trying to get at each other's throat. As always, the thread customarily starts as an innocuous vibrant discussion, then finally it boils down to both of you exchanging heated arguments, attacking each other, and ripping each other apart with vengence at personal level.

Tolerence ek thopa pani chaina (1 to 10 ko tolerance level scale ma - ASHU has 0 tolerance level , while Nepe scores 3) . Sajha jasto public forum ma aera afnu dhoti kina kholeko hola. Public perception, impression kasto huncha, socheko cha?


Incognito aera sajha ma lekhe ta thik thiyo ni.

Well, PQ No. 1,

Thank you for your concern.

But let's grow up, shall we? Rest assured that both Nepe and I are big boys, and I am sure that each is capable of handling this sort of disagreements of opinions in ways he sees best. A clash of opinions, however vehemently expressed, need not frighten you or anyone else.

If nothing else, be entertained.

oohi
ashu

Great show !

"A clash of opinions"

Should I say clash of titanic egos and hubris?

"If nothing else, be entertained."
I don't see any entertaining stuffs here.

nispaksha,

Theory is one thing, but practice is another, especially in politics.

I remain somewhat of a pragmatist, and that is why I have never been certain about republicanism for Nepal at this time while the Maoists are killing people and destroying infrastructure.

My "crime" was to once admit on Sajha that I was, at best, ambivalent about this whole notion of republicanism.

But Nepe, who expected an easy approval from all and easy rounds of wah-wah for his manifesto, was furious at my professed ambivalence.

And let me say that my ambivalence stems NOT out of any love for the Palace (as Nepe mistakenly and repeatedly claims) but out of my disappointment with the political parties' repeated failures to rein in the king when there were opportunities to do so.

Sure, I'd like to believe in the poitical parties. But when I see them bungling even on small matters, and unable to get their act together (while Nepal is turning into a killing field, thanks to both the army and the Maoists) I do have a hard time visualising them
as the ones who can really go all out to throw out the King and who really have the
best interests of the people they are supposed to represent at heart.

Seeing how the fights within Koirala dynasty is playing out, it does make me wonder whether all we will see is the mere eplacement of the Shahs with the Koiralas!

Yes, as a libertarian, I do find the notion of monarchy quite outdated and do not buy
the usual pro-monarch arguments that the likes of Mohammed Mohsin and others offer.

But it is at this cross-road of Monarhy, Maoists and Political Parties, I, for one, have decided that the greatest threat to Nepal, the greatest problem in Nepal NOW is that
of the Maoists who threaten ALL our liberties.

The king and the parties were with us before 1996. The King and the parties had had their clashes in 1990 too. If the King takes over the country entirely, he will be writing his own epitaph. I am sure he knows this. The parties, at this time, CANNOT take over the entire country. I am sure they know this too.

Their common enemy is the Maoists.

Maoists have hijacked the agenda of political parties and used that agenda to destructive ends, and political parties should now focus their enegy to reclaim their agenda back from the Maoists.

And the further the two forces (King and political parties) get cut off from the goal of finishing or defanging their common enemy, the more they just end up tearing at one
another -- like they have been doing and thereby NOT serving Nepal's interests.

Solution?

Here, I support Deuba's intention to go for the elections, which will be difficult to stage, yes; but NOT impossible.

My proposal is: Let's invite all sorts of international observers so that Deuba or the King's forces will not get to stage a sham election, as political parties fear. Look, we have to take some risks in these risky times. This is where civil society ko genuine activism is needed to push the elections. If the Maoists create problems, then, they should further exposed as terrorists to the world community.

After finishing the elections, let the new elected government take over and let it make its decisions as to what it next wants to do re: the powers of the King and so forth. If the King gets clever and tries to do his own thig, then, let's hope that the elected reps will have enough cojones to stamp their feet to decide on behalf of the janata.

My point is that: Until we get out of this terrible fix, this strange impasse, and take the country forward, all talks about republicamism and so forth are mere distractions that only play into the hands of the Maosts.

As for Sangraula's piece, it's ironic that in the very parties he had exalted last spring, he now finds faults that alienated people of Kathmandu. My point: Those faults were there with the parties then as they are with them now. Good that Sangraula finally woke up to that realisation.

oohi
ashu

Ashu ji,
I can see your point. Yet, your argument appears to have been shaped more by what-should-be than by what-will-be way of thinking. The underlying currents in Nepalese political domain indicate that republicanism is not that distant. At this stage, Nepali society cannot reject republicanism just on the ground that it is one of the Maoist?s demands. If you want to defeat Maoism, even from taking a pragmatic standpoint, republicanism is more legitimate and powerful political instrument than the coalition of convenience among groups preferring status quo.

Re Sangrula?s piece, what I understood is that he finds problem with agitating party?s agenda in terms of their inability to clearly state that they are there for a republican movement.

nispaksha

Nispaksha,

Talking about underlying currents is not helpful, because human beings being human beings will always find their PREFERRED positions as the representative of the so-called undercurrents whether or not that's true in reality.

I mean, if we are talking about underlying currents, then, let's be honest to say that there are underlying currents for every possibility in Nepal: the currents for King's taking over absolutely are there, and so are the the currents for the Maoists' taking over totally, and so on and on.

That said, I have no trouble accepting that my ideas -- projected into the future -- are hypothesis, yet to be borne out by realities.

But by the same token, let's also think of the republican agenda as just another hypothesis, yet to be borne out by realities, and treat it as such.

[My challenge to Nepe is that if he really thinks that it such an important agenda, then he should head back and excite the Nepalis doing the andolan on the sadak. Anything less is only a suburban lament.]

You see, what I don't understand is: Why is it that when it comes to republicanism,
you guys are so CERTAIN about it EVEN when the evidence on the ground is mixed
at best? Because you can somehow intuit the clear-cut underlying currents in the favor of republicanism? At this rate, you might as well hire a Ratna park ko suga-jyotisi.

As for Sangraula: Parties can barely walk. We've seen them stumble so many times.
Now he expects them to run. Sangraula changed his tune to scold the parties -- an admission that they goofed up. This is quite a change from his hagiographic workship of the parties last spring when they were no different.

oohi
ashu

Well said Ashu, especially, on Nepe.

I liked the following statements and they are the truth on Nepe.

1. Very funny, Nepe, very funny. And also very cheap.

2. You do display a classic either-or Nepali communist mentality, which goes like this. If someone dares disagree with you or even dares question your thoughts or is ambivalent about them, then you go all out to paint that person as a stooge of some reactionary element. You then go on to repeat lies about that person so many times openly and publicly that those lies can be mistaken for the truth.

(Nepe is very fast in calling names and assigning adjectives. An example of hardline communists). Oh yes, he is "fact lover", as he himself said. He supports the idea of
"figures don'd lie, liars lie the figures", and he filters out the figures that does not
suit his need. As he is a great researchers playing with beakers and titrations for
last 3 decades.


3. While you are quick to make public (by now utterly silly) judgements about me, this is what I don't understand about you: For all your talks about gana-tantra, then what the hell are you doing in DC at this 40-plus age, obviously bored with beakers and titrations?

[Well said here, ashu. He is now carrying placard in front Capitol Hill and publishing that
2 dozen as hundres of Nepalis in front pages of Kantipur / Kathmandu post. Thats his lusture on facts and figures.]

4. A quick search in databases does NOT establish you as a prolific or even remotely interesting scientific figure in any sense. So one can safely assume that other than
being just another apparatchik in a scientific building filled with 1000s of science PhDs, the existential question of "what should do I do with my life?" (well explored in Po Bronson's book of that same title) must haunt you for days, no?

[Again, well said. He talks of republican while in DC. A friend of mine who was
Maoist supporter and was working in Japan, used to send major part of his salary
to his party in Nepal and went to Nepal to take part in that move, well, I may or
may not like his affliation with a wrong party, but, he showed his dedication. Nepe
does not miss any chance to meet Royalist Govt. 's senior ministers when they
visit DC.... what a shame. Well, he has his excuses. He knows how to find excuses.]

5. Sure, your job may be in molecular biology, but your passion clearly lies in molecular politics. And who do you fancy yourself as-- some sort of Nepali Ayatollah, waiting to return to Nepal to ecstatic public acclaim after the fall of the Shah of Nepal? Give me a break.

Meantime, why not put your money where your mouth is, and return to Nepal and put yourself in harm's way to throw out the monarchy you so detest?

I mean, in terms of circumstances, if this is not an opportune time for you to excite Nepalis on the sadak of Nepal against the monarchy, when is?

But, realistically, you can't do any of that, can you?
Now or ever.

{Well said}

6. You are happy outsourcing your role to others in Nepal, while you enjoy the comfy life in the US, hoin ta?

That is why, Nepe, I suspect that behind your bluster and cyber-bravado, you are basically a coward who fears uncertainties and ambiguities and the unknowns of real
life (or for that matter, of scientific research) and seeks solace in the kind of politics that offers you nothing but clear-cut certainties. Kinda like that the Maoists, in a different way.

[true]

7. That is why, you are atavistically and viscerally unable to even accept the possibility that there may well be OTHER ideas out there that do not match your own.

[He is hard liner communist based on his writings for last several years, he stamps
peoples with adjectives their ideas don't agree with him or are not defendable
from his standpoint].

8. But you can't say any of this openly, and your weapon of choice is first try to co-opt others by flattering them, and when flattery doesn't work, then go all out to to ridicule others and deride them by hurling outlandish charges at them so that you can prop yourself up, hoina ta?

[Yes, he does first flatter them try to intimidate and when fails then he uses
fire arms of words. Nepe is terrible].

9. After all, not too long ago, with words of flattery, you were saying that you were confident that I, Ashu too, would someday turn into a hard-core republican. Now that
I continue to not be on your side, you turn nasty.

[Yeah, he wrote these words. You can find his words here in Sajha.]

10. Fortunately, there is plenty of room on Sajha for you as there is for others who may well think different from you on issues. And so it goes.

Finally, sure, my ideas are may well be "गँजडी गफ" to you, but let it be stated that you have NOT shown how they are indeed गँजडी गफ. As anyone who knows basic science knows, assertions are not proofs or evidence.


[good job, ashu. Some peoples might think that you do not have tolerance,
but in public debate when some peoples become too much personal, and just
don't keep silence that "I don't want to be personal", you have to defend
yourself and it was right to defend and you did very well. Otherwise, Nepe
would continue to think that these tricks will work. ]

GP

Dear Nepe Dude,

Is there any carrying placard in front Capitol Hill and White House in near future?? Please let us know so that I can also join...:-)

ल, साथि हो तार्किक बहस चल्दै जाओस् र ऊ माथि नै एकजना मित्रले भनिसक्नु भो कि यसलाई ब्यक्तिगत आक्षेप, आरोप र प्रत्यारोपतिर भने नढालौँ। तार्किक बिभिन्ननतालाई सबैले स्विकार्नुपर्छ।
नेपेजीले छोडेर जानुभएका एक दुई मतहरुमा मेरो बिचार प्रस्ट पारौँ कि भन्ने जमर्को गर्दैछु:
>निस्क्रिय राजतन्त्र सहितको प्रजातन्त्र को कुरा गरेर तपाईले एउटा चाखको बहस छेड्नु भो । >मलाई आउनै बाँकी गणतन्त्रको कुरा गर्दा hypothetical term मा गर्छ भनेर निको नमान्ने, >तपाई भने आएर पनि myth साबित भैसक्या कुरालाई ठाडै देख्या नदेख्यै गरेर अझै >hypothetical कुरा गर्ने ?
४६ सालपछिको नेपालको राजतन्त्रलाई निस्कृय राजतन्त्र भन्न मिल्दैन । किनभने
१। नेपाली सेनाहरु साही सेनाकै रुपमा चल्ने र राजाको हुकुम पालन गर्ने ब्यबस्था कायमै थियो र छ पनि। जसले गर्दा राजालाई मुढेबलको सकृय राजामै प्रतिस्थापन गरिएको थियो र छ पनि।
२। संसदको माथिल्लो सदन लगायत बिभिन्न ठाउँमा राजाको स्वबिबेकले नियुक्त र बर्खास्त गर्न पाउने पदहरु आरक्षण गरिएका थिए र छन् पनि। यी त भए उदाहरण मात्र ।

त्यसैले यहाँ निस्कृय राजतन्त्र हेरेर पनि Myth भइसकेको भनेर जुन उदगार नेपेजीले छोड्नु भयो, त्यो नाम मात्रको निस्कृय राजतन्त्र हेर्न बाँकि नै छ। राजा नाम मात्रको राजा भएर बाँच्न तयार छ भने, उसको पनि नेपाल हो र उसको पनि जन्मभुमी हो । टुँडिखेलमा लगेर गाड्नै पर्छ भन्ने छैन।नागार्जुनमा गएर बस्न सक्छ र नागरिकहरुको सुख हेरर मर्न पाउनुपर्छ। नारायणहिटिमा अस्पताल बनाउन पाउनु पर्छ ।यो हो निस्कृय राजतन्त्र ।
राजा मानेर ढोग्नेलाई ढोग्न दिनुस्। सबैले एउटै बिचार राख्नुपर्छ भन्नु पो Hypothetical कुरा भो त।
गणतन्त्र आँफैमा Hypothetical कुरा हैन। आउन पनि सक्ला खाली कुरा के भने गणतन्त्रमा त सबै कुरा चट्, भन्ने कुरा चाहीँ Hypothetical ।