Let us all unite against theanti-Hindu forces in Nepal. CAN WE DO IT?

Let us spread message against what is happening to Nepal.
WE WANT IT TO REMAIN A HINDU STATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can we unite?
This will be the real challenge.
Look at how Indian medicos/engineers are uniting against job reservation.

Well, OUR RELIGION,HINDUISM THE ODLEST RELIGION IS BEING REMOVED FROM NEPAL. AND NO ONE IS BOTHERED? SICKENING.

Do you know what troubles start if this happens.
PLEASE ALL WAKE_UP AND SEND A STRONG MESSAGE TO THE CORRUPT & CROOK POLITICIANS IN NEPAL.

WE WANT NEPAL TO REMAIN HINDU!!!!!!!!!!

SPEAK EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

" I don't see the Nepali Hindus taking to the streets really", mr karmapa--you seem so confident that Nepalese will let their grass grow under their feet. You will never see seculat state in Nepal as it will confine to only in black and white, no matter how much you and other people make hue and cry in support of secularism, its always be, 'Heads I win, tails you lose'.

wait till CA--you guys think with recent proclamation in House everything will be decided final. yes the declartion was in sync with the aspirations of the people, no doubt from my side. Wait, there is still lot to do, relentless bickerings beween maoists, parties and the rest shows where nepal is today--it seems all is done hastily without thinking the consequences esp on issue like hindu to secularism.

Democracy is about choices, about elections form which people makes but is it democracy for the majority only (referring to train of thought also)???…. this undermines the word democracy!!!!! Democracy is for all the population in a country.... in this case Nepal being secular state take care of all its people view in regards of religion and culture.

In terms of race, language and religion a country should be fair to all its people… AND IT SHOULD NEVER BE THE BASICS OR EVEN SLIGHTLY INVOLVED IN POLITICS OR NATION BUILDING!!!!!!!

Now we should be asking/demanding from the government (be interim or elected) for RIGHT health care, RIGHT work/professional needed now in Nepal including for the future and most importantly RIGHT EDUCATION. Allowing all people of Nepal to be empowered with the necessary skills/tools to work and develop Nepal. To cultivate RIGHT work ethnics, civic sense and considerations, not to look down on any from of honest work, etc… to give not only hope that if a person put in effort in one’s work, life long learning and living in peace and harmony then they can achieve what the want but also a guarantee and the citizen also know this to be true. Government should give value to all fields of work, to give value to people regardless of sex and not forgetting value to all religions…. which spells a good nation, in this case a Nepal which people of Nepal don’t have to look back to history to be proud but instead to the future!!!

ps: friend matyangro, hope you are not treating with violence???

Samuel Tamrat behind moves to declare Nepal secular
New York, 21 May: Imperialist Christians made heavy investments in declaring Nepal secular, National Janamanch reports quoting S J Shah.

The leadership was taken this time Samuel Tamrat, political advisor of US Secretary general Kofi Annan.

There was no mention of a secular state in the first draft of the proclamation by parliament.

Prime Minister Girija Prasad Koirala and Prachanda wouldn't have made an issue over it.

Tamrat convinced officials India and Nepal during his fortnight's tour of the two countries.

The Pope has congratulated Annan and specially Tamrat after Nepal was declared a secular state.

People’s News/BR


PLEASE READ THIS FOR NATIONAL INTEREST !

SORRY GUYS I HAD TO WRITE I AGAIN BEACUSE OF KARMAPA.
WELL U THINK SECULARISM IS RIGHT WAY TO GO FINE .BUT DO U BELEIVE IN DEMOCRACY THEN U SHOULD BELIEVE IN VOTE.PLEASE DON'T ITERATE SAME THINGS AGAIN AND AGAIN WE ALL GOT UR POINT
IF U BELEIVE IN DEMOCARACY THEN U SHOULD BE WILLING TO GO FOR VOTE .DON'T JUST ITERATE YA SECULARISM YA SECULARISM .U NEED TO ADMIT WHAT SPA DID WAS NOT RIGHT WAY TO GO.
AGAIN WHAT SPA DID WAS ANOTHER IMPOSED THING .SO FINE WITH SECULARISM .BUT WITH VERY HEAVY PRICE TAG .U WILL REGRET SUPPORTING THIS ISSUE IF U LEAST CARE ABOUT ALL THE PEOPLE OF NEPAL.WHAT IS GOOD FOR HINDUS AND NOT TIME WILL TELL.THERE IS VERY HEAVY PRICE TO PAY FOR THIS DECISION BUT U JUST CAN'T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND!!!"MERO GORU KO BARAHI TAKA" U HAVE TO BE RIGHT.U JUST DON'T EVEN SEEM TO SEE FROM OTHER ANGLE .OK BUDDY U WIN .U WILL BE THE LOSER LATER.

HEY KARMAPA,

Nepal is considered one of the top most countries where there is religious harmony, because Nepal was a Hindu nation. Look at secular India --- how much religious intolerance is there. It is because India is secular. You will see the same in Nepal now. There will be lots of parties coming up on the basis of religion. Wait and see !

Nepal has been made secular by Samuel Tamarat. That is why this guy was in Nepal. There is a role of Americans and Europians who have poured their money to make Nepal secular so that Christianity which is alreayd spreading among the poor will spread more. It is not the wish of the Nepalese. I have seen people who are funded by them in villages of Terai as well as hills. Their whole purpose of being there is to spread Christianity. We have some land in Rupandehi where we sold some of our land to a young Nepali couple who had converted to Christianity. They were keeping 20 - 30 children in their home- all converted. When asked where they get the finances from - they told us they get it from europe and America.

HEY ONE MORE THING KARMAPA,
I AM SORRY TO SAY I AND PEOPLE FOR HINDU COUNTRY HASN'T BEEN CONVINED THOUGH U DID PUT GOOD POINT BEACAUSE I AND OTHERS ALSO EQUALLY GAVE U HUNDREDS OF REASONS WHY HINDU COUNTRY FOR NEPAL WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER.SORRY, I COULDN'T CONVINCE U EITHER.GOOD LUCK !

Euta KETA
Those who don't learn are doomed ? Huh !! Ke ? Really ? hmm....If you cannot convince one person .. He he How the fuk are you going to convince the Mass ? he he Mr Smaaaty Pants !!
Peaceful coexistance in Hinduism ? he he YOU KIDDIN ME ? What about all that Riot between Hindus and Muslim rioting in India ? he heh !! HISTORICALLY PROVEN ? I THINK NOT.
Buddhists accept the fact that It came from Hinduism whereas Muslims don't. That is the main difference. ARABS and Israelis have been killing each other since the Biblical times. You are talking APPLES AND ORANGES KID !!
Hey I ADMIT I AM AN ATHEIST AT LEAST I AM NOT TRYING TO IMPOSE MY BELIEF UPON YOU. Whereas you seem to hell bent on proving Hinduism is the best way for Nepal. AND I AM NOT CONVINCED.

IMI,
Dude you are ofrgeting one big point. RELIGION IS MAN MADE...look around you. Do dogs have god ? Do trees believe in god ? WTF has religion got o do with wealth ? I am in peace and very happy with being an Atheist. Nah Nah Nah Religion is not the main reason our country didn't develope ? Huh !!! MAn that is one lame ass excuse. IT IS THE LAZY ASS PEOPLE OF NEPAL THAT WE ARE SO UNDERDEVELOPED.

I dont want to argue here on if it is good to be a secular state or not. But I found many people making their points based on the census number. They say only about 80% of the population is hindu according to latest census.

What this number means, here is the story. This sharp decline in hindu population in 2000/2001 census is due mainly to the mass 'anti hindu' and 'anti DASHAIN' movement waged by many non-hindu activists and Non-governmental organizations. There are many families whom I personally know, were hindus, follow all hindu rituals, festivals and beliefs, wrote some other religion in that census. So, the fall in number is reflection of mainly the 'anti DASHAIN' movement'. They are successful in their movement when looking from their perspective.

So, my belief is the number of people following hinduism in their living is far more ( i hope more than 90%). But, I dont claim Nepal have remained a hindu state. As Hinduism has enormous amount to power of restraints, in any secular-state having 99% of hindus, the rest 1% will not feel dominated.

Gamle STOP TALKIN JIBBERISH !! Wha's yo point ?

There has been 138 postings and 2169 visits so far on this thread and I haven't still been convinced with reasons why Nepal was declared a secular state and why it is better off so.
Now that it has already been done, I don't know how long it will remain so. People suspect Indian Hindus are against secularism because they have some political interest. Well, I don't know, in fact, I don't want to know. That's their business, will Nepal ever be a Hindu state again just because of their protest, may be.
Now, will Nepal be as peaceful as and as religiously tolerant as before? I hope.
But, omitting the Hindu state tag, making such a big decision just in the name of bringing change before executing any affirmitive actions and pushing the minorities up from their level is not a right decision to me.
May be I am not as educated as the policy makers and other voices here but I am consious and smart enough to see its impracticalness.

This is for Bathroomcoffee,
What is happening to you, man? Ever come up with your own lines and not comment on other people's view using curses and swearing to bring other people down? You know that there is no such thing as right or wrong in this world, don't you?
'One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist.'
'One society's religion is other society's cult.'
It is never hard to pass comment but to come up with your own. I know you sound smarter than me but it is no good at all if it only means to attack satirically to other people if you don't make it your profession and earn some money with it.

Some people are thinking & writing that there are no 'christian' countries, that USA/UK are not christian countries.
They are so wrong, BECAUSE USA's creation is based on principles of christianity & judaism!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SO WHAT IS WRONG ABOUT NEPAL BEING A HINDU STATE? THE PROBLEM IS THAT THIS CURRENT GOVT HAS BEEN SET-UP BY PRACHANDA, MAOISTS-TERRORISTS & INDIAN/CHINESE COMMUNISTS AND SUPPORTED BY INDIAN & CHINESE GOVT!!!!!
This is the danger for NEPAL!!!!!!!!

Some people have wriiten what is worng with being secular???They do not even know that EXACTLY is the problem. HINDUS AND HNDUISM IS THE MOST TOLERANT OF ALL RELIGIONS AND BY NATURE SECULAR. With almost 94% of Nepal's population being Hindu/Budhist we have had no problem with other religions. BUT OTHER RELIGIONS WILL CREATE PROBLEMS NOW THAT WE ARE SECULAR!!!!!!!!!!

TIME TO WAKE-UP. EVERYONE SAYS THAT HINDUS WILL NOT PROTEST, WELL LET US CHANGE THAT CONCEPT, AND TELL THE ROTTEN POLITICIANS IN NEPAL THAT WE WANT TO REMAIN HINDU STATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PROTEST, SEND MESSAGES, GET SUPPORT, BE AWARE, WE WANT TO REMAIN A HINDU STATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I DON'T KNOW WHY I LIKE TO KEEP ON COMING IN THIS THREAD??LOL..

BATHROOMCOFFE:U LIVE IN UTOPIA.PEACE BROTHER .JUST SING "IMAGINE"

ANYWAYS FOR THE PEOPLE WHO SAY.IT IS PEOPLE LIKE ME WHO IS GOING TO IGNITE RELIGIOUS VIOLENCE.MY ANSWER IS THIS
ITS NOT ME ITS SHORTSIGHTED PEOPLE LIKE U WHO LIKE TO PLAY WITH SENTIMENTS OF PEOPLE.U CAN POINT FINGER AND ME SO CAN I.

THIS IS CALLED LACK OF VISION ON PART OF SPA FOR NEPAL.THEY ARE REAL DUMB ASS DONKEYS.INSTEAD OF TAKING ONE
STEP AND TIME FOR BETTERMENT OF POOR AND NEEDY NEPALESE.THEY JUST WANT TO JUMP ON THE TOP.AND U KNOW
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN U JUMP.SINCE IT IS VERY HIGH AND SPA ARE NOT GOOD ATHELETS THEY ARE MOST LIKELY TO FALL.WITH THEIR FALL THEY TAKE US.

U WILL WITNESS THE MOST RELIGIOUS DESCRIMINATION U HAVE NEVER EVER WITNESSED IN THE HISTORY OF NEPAL(NOT SAYING THERE WASN'T ANY
FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE FAST REFLEX ACTION AND LIKE TO MAKE OTHER PEOPLES STATEMENT THEIR BEGININGS)

THE GAME AS JUST BEGUN.JUST WAIT AND WATCH THE GAME.SPA HAS DONE GREAT JOB PLANTING SEEDS OF HATE.THE FRUIT IS YET TO BE SEEN.

USA's creation is based on principles of christianity & judaism

Hey kalki i am not sure with that words..if it is based in that principle why is it so hard to write merry christmas in the chrstmas instead write happy holiday?Last year white house didin't write merry chrismas instead wrote happy holidays? have you heard this?
they say america is the country with different religions so it is not good to emphasize on religions......
Even big corporation like walmart,target and others don't write merry chirstmas instead they write happy holidays respecting other people cultures...even in easter some school banned bunny and some state thing it is not good to put bunny.saying it might hurt other religions..that has happened even in christmas....what a stupid things i hear in news...this country is full of crhistian and i know half of the people even don't care and some people who care comes to TV news like fox news and talk about this issue..i was amazed to see their christmas words also in controversy...so on what basis you say the above words....

Even though US is a secular state its laws are based on Ten Commandments.

ssk.
yes to some extent USa's creation was based on principles of christianity & judaism. But not fully. History of USA is testimony to it. Just being free in religious values doesnt make US a free religious country. Just read the history of USA and Christianity. You will find out what is what? USA is free for all because it takes religion materialistically. Just science has done so much progress there doesnt mean that we should follow what they follow in their soil.

Public monuments and controversy in the USA
See also: Roy Moore, Van Orden v. Perry, Separation of church and state in the United States

There is an ongoing dispute in the United States concerning the posting of the Ten Commandments on public property. Certain conservative religious groups, alarmed by the banning of officially-sanctioned prayer from public schools by the U.S. Supreme Court, have sought to protect their right to express their religious beliefs in public life. As a result they have successfully lobbied many state and local governments to display the ten commandments in public buildings. As seen above, any attempt to post the Decalogue on a public building necessarily takes a sectarian stance; Protestants and Roman Catholics number the commandments differently. Hundreds of these monuments – including some of those causing dispute – were originally placed by director Cecil B. DeMille as a publicity stunt to promote his 1956 film The Ten Commandments.[5]

Secularists and most liberals oppose the posting of the Ten Commandments on public property, arguing that it is violating the separation of church and state. Conservative groups claim that the commandments are not necessarily religious but represent the moral and legal foundation of society. Secularist groups counter that they are explicitly religious and that statements of monotheism like "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" are unacceptable to many religious viewpoints, such as atheists or followers of polytheistic religions. In addition, if the Commandments were posted, it would require that members of other religions be allowed to post the particular tenets of their religions as well. For example, an organization by the name of Summum has won court cases against municipalities in Utah for refusing to allow the group to erect a monument of Summum aphorisms next to the Ten Commandments. The cases were won on the grounds that Summum's right to freedom of speech was denied and the governments had engaged in discrimination. Instead of allowing Summum to erect its monument, the local governments chose to remove their Ten Commandments.

Some religious Jews oppose the posting of the Ten Commandments in public schools, as they feel it is wrong for public schools to teach their children Judaism. The argument is that if a Jewish parent wishes to teach their child to be a Jew (as most do), then this education should come from practicing Jews, and not from non-Jews. This position is based on the demographic fact that the vast majority of public school teachers in the United States are not Jews; the same is true for the students. This same reasoning and position is also held by many believers in other religions. Many Christians have some concerns about this as well; for example, can Catholic parents count on Protestant or Orthodox Christian teachers to tell their children their particular understanding of the commandments? Differences in the interpretation and translation of these commandments, as noted above, can sometimes be significant.

Organizations such as the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) have launched lawsuits challenging the posting of the ten commandments in public buildings. Opponents of these displays include a number of religious groups, including some Christian denominations, both because they don't want government to be issuing religious doctrine, and because they feel strongly that the commandments are inherently religious. Many commentators see this issue as part of a wider kulturkampf (culture struggle) between liberal and conservative elements in American society. In response to the perceived attacks on traditional society other legal organizations, such as Liberty Counsel have risen to defend the traditional interpretation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments

it takes religion materialistically

You are right othewise people over here might have been fighting in the street..


okay by everybody..it was nice discussion,.

Shiv,

"The Hindu state was symbolic and did not benefit any priests or class. There are laws against chuwa/chut and religious discrimination."

This is a ridiculous claim. Nepali royalty and high caste Hindus derive their status in Nepali society from the state sanctioned religion. Removing Hindu title will give all Nepalis a leveled playing field on a long run (not overnight).

Why are Hindus in Sajha so riled up about this issue? I do not see Hindus in Nepal as concerned as Hindus in Sajha? Is it because your faith is so shallow that you need a state to protect the special status you enjoy due to the religion? If you are so threatened by Christian and Islamic missionaries converting lower caste Hindus, then you need to first accept the problem and start treating your the disadvantaged Hindu brothers and sister better. You need to apologize to the lower caste for the centuries old suppression and discrimination and try to help them out. You cannot ask for the state to stop lower caste and Janajatis from converting so that you can take advantage of them. Seriously, if you really think Hinduism is as great as you think, then you have nothing to fear. I think the greatest threat to Hinduism comes from your inferiority complex, fundamentalism, and your unwillingness to accept problems and lack of reform.

mr pats,
are u following this thread carefully or just jumping in claiming the all hindus of sajah have shallow faith.reading one or two threads.Did u hear all the arguments to and for nepal hindu country and did u hear all the arguments against it??
there is 149 posting please read them all.
it just make me amazes me seeing innocent people like u .U really think nepali hindu are not bothered at all!!!!u really see the bright future of nepal in the hands of undemocratic SPA and ur faith is stonger and all here have shallow faith..good going..

you guys can all kiss their as s you people were the once supporting the movement
now you have to go with your netas even if maos starts to kill people.............................never satisfied