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Posted on 05-19-06 4:18 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Let us all unite against theanti-Hindu forces in Nepal. CAN WE DO IT?

Let us spread message against what is happening to Nepal.
WE WANT IT TO REMAIN A HINDU STATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can we unite?
This will be the real challenge.
Look at how Indian medicos/engineers are uniting against job reservation.

Well, OUR RELIGION,HINDUISM THE ODLEST RELIGION IS BEING REMOVED FROM NEPAL. AND NO ONE IS BOTHERED? SICKENING.

Do you know what troubles start if this happens.
PLEASE ALL WAKE_UP AND SEND A STRONG MESSAGE TO THE CORRUPT & CROOK POLITICIANS IN NEPAL.

WE WANT NEPAL TO REMAIN HINDU!!!!!!!!!!

SPEAK EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Posted on 05-23-06 12:42 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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pat,
Why dont you give me an example from where the "state sanctioned" religion benefited a specific caste or class. The royals had benefited from being in power, simply being in power -religion has nothing to do with it. The royals should be excluded from the discussion simply because if they are included it will skew the results.
Lets go down to the peoples level you and me. Did it ever benefit me or anyone I know from Nepal being a hindu state? Heck No. It does not have any practical implications other than killing a cow and the missionaries, nothing more. The missionaries have been in business in Nepal for a very long time, even though there were laws against it.
Do I oppose peoples right to choose the religion they want? NO. Do I have a problem when the missionaries try to convert? May be but not a major concern. I have a big problem when they forcefully trick people into their religion. I have no problem when people change religion, change faith. I respect that.

Nepali culture in itself is "secular". I know many families who hold contrasting beliefs from one another but they live lovingly together. Why was there a need to be a secular state? Now? It is not because people wanted it, or people have anything to do with it. If secularism is what people want - I respect that. But where is the mandate?

I have many friends from different faiths and I respect them and they respect my sentiments. It has nothing to do with anything else.
I have no problem with your "labels" pleas feel free to call me what ever you want.

Dont worry people in Nepal will start showing their dissatisfaction about being secular. Right now they are too concerned and confused about the whole situation. I have heard so many angry comments about it already, its coming!

People like you are psyched by idea of change, any idea and accept just because it sounds cool and do not understand the consequences or do not care to understand consequences. It is called modern day pseudo-intellectualism. One day you will start searching your identity; your own family history/heritage then you will come to understand; regardless of your caste, type of faith or lack of it.
 
Posted on 05-23-06 1:07 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Yo Kalki Kapil MORON !!!
Do you undetrstand the separation of Church and State ? What the fug is danger for Nepal ? And MR IGNORAMUS HERE THINKS MAKING NEPAL A HINDU STATE IS GOING TO SOLVE ALL THE PROBLEMS he eh
HINDUISM IS THE MOST TOLERANT RELIGION IN THE WORLD ? ha ha ha YOUR BRAIN MUST BE FULL OF SHIT. Is that why they are always fighting muslims in India ? he he
Religion should stay out of Governing a country. END OF STORY
 
Posted on 05-23-06 1:17 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Hey,

What is wrong with Nepal being Secular ? We are not forced to change our religion. If you are hindu, who can tell you to eat beef ? Don't eat beef, if you can then not only beef don't eat meat at all. Be a true hindu from your heart. And let others who have other religion feel a sense of religious right in Nepal. I wish Nepal and nepalese to experience democracy of everything, including religion and I am very proud that Nepal has been called a secular state.
 
Posted on 05-23-06 2:44 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Shiv,

Are you blind not to see that certain sections of the society benefiting from the Hindu State? Why are Brahmins where they are, the Royals where they are, and the Dalits and Janajatis where they are? It is partly due to education but mostly due to the place given by the religion. Banning caste system has done little to correct this Historic Wrong. I think removing Hindu tag will be a symbol of telling all the people that we are all equal. In addition, why do you think Nepal Government manipulates census data to categorize all Janajatis as Hindus? This is to give Brahmins and Chettris, who comprise of 30% of Nepali population more power.

Just like a White man sees no racism in the US, a high caste Hindu sees no problem with the Hindu State of Nepal. Shiv, Imi and the Gang suffers from the same White Man and Racism syndrome. You guys cannot put yourself in a Janajati, Dalit, or Non-Hindu's shoes and see their perspective of the Hindu State.

If you think Nepali Society is secular, then why do we need to call it a "Hindu State?" Let us just call it a secular state. Why are you so unsecured without the state backing your religion?

Thanks for your advice on searching for my identity but No thanks. I am comfortable with who I am and what my beliefs are. I am not so shallow that I need a state’s help to know my identity.
 
Posted on 05-23-06 4:24 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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"Why are Brahmins where they are, the Royals where they are, and the Dalits and Janajatis where they are"
This is true in India, a supposedly secular country, which elects religious minorities as leaders just to pay lip-service to the pro-secularism crowd. Even a retard knows that Hindu nationalism is on the rise in India, a supposedly secular country. Not just that, India's whole tech boom can be attributed to South Indian brahmins and upper castes. Why are you oblivious to this point?

Secondly, I am okay with the AMERICAN version of secularism, which separates church and state in name only. All these faith-based groups that are funded by the government are predominantly Christian groups. In other words, the government aids Christians directly, and yet claims that they are for separation of Church and state. I, for one, will be totally fine if *WE* follow America's version of secularism, which will in fact guarantee that Hindus will still be the dominant force in Nepal. If we take the India approach, whose government just thumbs its nose on religions, then extremism will definitely rise, because that's the only way you can be heard. In America, they keep stressing the fact that the country was founded on Judeo-Christian tradition. So it's obvious to me that Christians just dominate America. Hindus should and must dominate Nepal as well, because we are the MAJORITY. Which model do you want to follow, India's model, the country South of Nepal, which is basically an utter failure, or the model of America, the most powerful country in the world, whose basic governing philosophy is to pay lip service to the liberal crowd, yet doesn't do anything to separate the church from the state? What about Bush's faith-based initiatives? One could easily argue that that's an infringement on one's religious freedom.
The thrust of my argument is this: America is a success story, while India, as of now, is an utter failure. India's secularism is such that the government refuses to take any actions in terms of religion, while the American government launches faith-based initiatives(funding goes almost exclusively to Christian groups) all the time. Now the problem here is that there's no turning back because the maoists will stir up a riot. We just need to choose which type of secularism we want to follow.
 
Posted on 05-23-06 5:23 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Pat,
Since u mentioned my Name and that to in the catergory of racist(which i
requested not to use)i had to speak.If u don't know my stance please don't mention my name.I am not racist and please don't force me to be one.

your claim of white man syndrome -here is what i have to say ,yes it is the white man who exploited black man but it is the white man who is in favor of
affirmative action and democracy.If not then u r friends in IRAN are more
democratic and non-racist.

U are Blind:
-u r blind because u don't see coming future of Nepal. -u don't see what christian missionaries preach to innocent villagers against hinduism.
-u don't see that this proclamtion is another way of sideling major problem of the country -u don't see who are using divide and rule policies.

U are racist:
-by calling other racist who don't have racist stance
-by alienting majority race and favoring minority race.
-by shaking hands with SPAM who are bunch of racist bastards.
-by racist because favoring SPAM for bringing up racist agenda to divided
undivide nepal.

u are undemocratic:
-by calling democratic countries undemocratic
-by using proclamation instead of people vote
-by hiding under commies camp
-by ignoring what majority of nepalese want

u are shallow
-by not listening to the thread carefully and jumping in
-by not having enough understanding of social,culural ,historic,ecnomic
context of nepal
-by blaming religion instead of system (easy solution)
-by thinking SPAM is doing right things and this is one of thier biggest achievements.

And if possible if u want civil discussion,please refrain from calling names.will appreciate it.Sorry to call u racist but u provoked me.

serious guy, i don't want any of that sort of secularism.I want people of nepal to live in peace that was possible in hindu nepal.which remains no more.
 
Posted on 05-23-06 6:12 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Imi,

That was unwarranted. It just shows that your brain is full of crap just like the crap that you wrote and you do not have ability to discuss in a civil manner.

SeriousGuy,

I second the American version of Secularism although I have serious concerns with George Bush's faith based funding. George Bush trampled into the area of separation of State and Church by starting the faith based groups and many Americans have problems with it.

Hinduism is so deeply rooted in our society that no one can take it away from us. However, I believe more secular environment will be healthy for the religions in Nepal including Hinduism. With the State backing, and restrictions on missionaries, Hindus have been lazy and stopped evolving. A little infusion of competition from other missionaries and public debate should be taken positively. To thwart other competition from other missionaries, high caste Hindus should start treating the disadvantaged Hindus and Janajatis better. We need an apology for the caste system from the high caste to the lower caste for centuries of discrimination. If there is competition with other religions, then there would be more public pressure for Pashupati's Bhatt's to put the billions of rupees raised in charity instead of their pocket. I think ultimately disadvantaged Hindus and Janajatis will be the biggest winner of a more secular environment.
 
Posted on 05-23-06 6:18 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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pata,
that is an interesting observation...never thought of it that way...but personally this "war" for me is not about what religion turns out the "winner" .... to me it is a battle for pride and dignity...sete haru le bajaeko ghanti ma kati matra nachne ho hami .. hetteri tauko dukhcha mero tyo sochera..especially, after all the shit i have gone through in their hands here in usa...yaha ta nachae, thikai cha, aba aafnai desh ma pani sete haruko dhun ma nachna parne? tyo kura pachauna sakirako chaina maile...israel has banned missionaries or proselytize, tara western world has no problem with that, ani india they try to do the same thing in some states and vatican is pissed off ... is it so that only the whites can do whatever they want? and we have to do whatever they want??? ke ho testo??? haina mero matra bheja garam hune ho ki saathi haru haruko pani?
 
Posted on 05-23-06 6:25 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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No my friend PAt , i had applozies with it and gave u reasons too but in summary.Sorry if u got offended. i have been puting my points in civil manner till now .U started it by calling me racist so and shows ur inability to discuss in civil manners.i hear u my fren u do write good though..please respect and try to understand other writing too and undestand what stance they are taking.Like the last one u wrote u heard serious guy.No comments on what kind of secularism we want as i didn't wanted it.
 
Posted on 05-23-06 6:30 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Nepal should not be Hindu Nation if you believe in Democracy, such world only suitable in autocratic regime, such as Bhutan, Arabian nation, sajha don't delete my posting, if you are democrats. I have been watching you guy, you are little bit bias, I could not understand why, whether this is only for you guys, or for very body, if so let me write. I thought we have democracy only on paper not in our behavior. I know all of you are conservative Hindu and you been taught that way.Never foreget, thouse of who are doctor and engineer now, you forefather were working as Dhoke and Pahale and Bhanchhe of Rana and Shah,.
 
Posted on 05-23-06 6:46 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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what are u talking birkebhai didn't understand what u said.

if u r for or against it.if u are for hindu state then democracy is to be able to vote for it.Ability to choose.Even if you are against it ,u should be able to speak and vote against it.did u get it.All pale sale doke toke etc etc is lame excuses just like black in usa curses whites.In the history of the world ,in which place hasn't poor been discriminated .Be practical .Not idealogical .However we should give them opportunity to move up in life and 90% depends on individual.I have seen doctors and engineers from dalit and poor family.

yes my fren u r right , democracy should not be only in paper it should not also be in the mouth of girija. actual democracy would have been LET PEOPLE DECIDE and if u cry oh how can that be minority will lose.then be it. thats how world works.Even though Hamas was terrorist organization they were elected democratically in Palestine.was america able to speak.To shut me up thats what SPA should have done .If hindu supportes have lost it .we would accept the defeat.
 
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Pat,
If you want to bring the royals as an example of religious exploitation, fine. The ruling class have always enjoyed all the privileges, regardless of anything else. Where don’t they enjoy extra privileges? Take maobadis for example do you think that Prachanda will get the same treatment as a common party cadre? Of course not. You call this social exploitation? Now replace Prachanda with the king and you will see he is treated differently than others, call this religious exploitation I have nothing to say. There is no denying that religion is exploited by the rulers for their benefit there is also no denying that GPK is also going to exploit the religious sentiments, to please the maobadis. Do you see a parallel here?

Chua-chut exists, no denying but there are laws against that, in the existing constitution but it not enforced. Believe it or not it exists.

No I did not say that there is no discrimination in Nepal or else where. Discrimination is universal my friend, like it or not.

> If you think Nepali Society is secular, then why do we need to call it a "Hindu State?"

You are getting close to my argument; my point is why declare it secular where there was no need for it.

> Thanks for your advice on searching for my identity but No thanks
You are welcome, not really. It does not mater what you believe it or do not believe you cannot deny your roots. What will happen when a root of a tree refuses to feed its branches?? You do not need religion or any ideology to be who you are but I doubt your ancestors felt the same way. Unlike you there are others who love their religion and it becomes part of their identity.

I have met with many converted Muslims and they have no problem acknowledging that their ancestors were Hindus; some also go to Hindu temples and pay their respect.
 
Posted on 05-23-06 10:32 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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ImI, your repeated mention of the action of this declaration being being undemocratic is getting into my nerves. Why don't we have a ballot for each and every of the law in the constitution and see what the people want ? Do you think it is possible ? Obviously not. All the other declaration were fine with you and you rejoiced in the fact that Nepal is a democratic country now, then why not sit back and enjoy the fact it is not only democratic in writing but in action too. When a nation is formed after a long struggle of the people, the constiution is not drafted based on a an "objective type question" paper on what to include in the constuitution that goes for ballot. As Karmapa has mentioned, " WAS THE ACTION OF THE INITIAL DECLARATION OF THE NATION AS A HINDU STATE BASED ON BALLOT?" The answer is no ! The Hindu population was much more smaller then, it was only after the declaration that the hindu population started soaring. The original inhabitant of the country mostly followed shamanism and animism. they were all converted into Hindu, so what is the whole fuss about Hindu religion becoming extinct because it doesn't allow conversion. I am amazed by all these hypocrite people who cry “discrimination’ at the slightest hint, and when there is talk of a secular Nepal, where there will be equality between all religion, it scares them to death. Don’t start with words like,” there is an overall equality when Nepal is a Hindu state”, or “Now, there will be religious warfare because Nepal has been declared a secular state”. So, who are these people who are going to create the disturbances ? Buddhist, Muslim or Christians ? nobody ! If there is a problem anytime in the near future, then it will come from you, from conservative Hindus who are scared to even think of their religion without state sponsorship. Hinduism is not going to be orphan overnight, nor will people start killing cows on the street. There certainly is not going to be anarchy nor a revolution as no oppression or discrimination has taken place..it has only given the right for people of other faith to be a proud Nepali.
Shiv, to your question on why the country needs to be secular while there was no need for it, I say there is need for the country to go secular just as much as it had theneed to go democratic from Monarchy. |
 
Posted on 05-23-06 10:42 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Converted into hindu how?
 
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ENIGIMA TOO .. U DON'T HAVE TO TAKE ANYTHING PERSONAL OUT HERE..DON'T GET ANYTHING INTO U NERVES..

WELL WHEN WE ARE GOING TO GO TO CA, WHAT IS THE HURRY TO DECIDE ON SENSITIVE ISSUE LIKE THIS?.OTHER DECLARATION WHERE FOR POLITICAL BENEFIT.I DON'T WANT TO SHARE MY INSTANCE ON ALL ISSUES THERE MIGHT BE ANOTHER DISPUTE.

SO ,WHAT'S SO SCARY ABOUT GOING TO GO TO CA FOR THIS ISSUE?I ASK U?YES U R RIGHT THAT TIME IT WAS NOT THROUGH ELECTION AND U CONSIDER THAT THERE WAS NO THEN .NOW WE HAVE DEMOCRACY AND U THINK THIS IS HOW WE SHOULD DECIDE WHEN MOST OF THE POPULATION DON'T WANT IT.LOOK AT PRESENT NOT PAST.LIKE THAT I CAN GIVE U MILLIONS OF EXAMPLE

"ONE UNDEMOCRATIC STEP IS NOT JUSTIFIED BY ANOTHER UNDEMOCRATIC STEP."

IF U KILL SOMEBODY THEN U SHOULD BE KILLED TOO??I DON'T BELIEVE IN THAT MAY BE U DO.THEN DON'T CALL UR SELF DEMOCRAT.IF U DON'T CALL UR SELF DEMOCRAT THEN I AM FINE WITH UR STAND.
 
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Birbhadra, I meant to say assimilation.
 
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What a distortion of the historic fact? How come the shamanism and animism followers were converted to hinduism, as in Hinduism people are born Hindu. Rather hindus immigrated in a large numbers from southwards to Nepal and got settled here. And If there was a case of conversion to Hinduism, now in Nepal there would be only hindus as in Pakistan and other predominantly muslim countries the percentage of other religion is miniscule. Aren't there any shamanism and animism followers left in Nepal? Rather, in Nepal, other religions coexisted with hinduism. Though there lies the caste discrimination within Hinduism, Hinduism is one of the most tolerant religion towards other religions in the world. No one knows what would be the gain or loss from secularism, but the statement like these to blame Hinduism and to name Hindus as hardcore followers are certainly a by-product of this action by SPA. Why would other religion start a warefare with Hinduism, as right now they are in minority? Were people from other beliefs feeling alienated in Nepal? Were they stopped from celebrating Christmas or Id or not welcomed in Dashain Tihar celebration? Did Hindus try to supress other beliefs even though it is in majority? No, and they shouldn't. Don't blame Hinduism just to prove your support for secularism. Secularism is a good thing, but to support that one shouldn't point finger or falsely blame other's faith and practice.
 
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But one question remains, was secularism so necessary for Nepal at this stage? Were Hindu people so much oppressive towards other faith? Not at all.
 
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Amrit Joshi writes above:

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My response to Amrit Joshi: You still believe that crap about 'religious harmony' which you probably learnt from the texts which are a throwback to the Panchayati era? “Religious harmony” is a sham, a smokescreen, a deception. There is no 'religious harmony' in the Hindu state- there is state-sanctioned discrimination based on religion.

You’re reasoning is no different than saying hey let’s reinstate "Hindu" tag on Nepal so that any potential religious conflicts or violence may be averted in future.

It is like saying: "Hey let's reinstate Saddam Hussein (dictator) as President of Iraq because at least under him we didn’t hear about sectarian violence between the Sunnis and Shiites.” What logic!!!

This is the kind of logic that the fundamentalist Hindus put forward to resist change!

Why should we be scared that under "Secular Nepal", there will be BJPIsation of Nepal or religious conflicts? You know what, conflicts sometimes lead to positive changes - they should be welcomed! If "Secular Nepal" is going to open up a can of worms, so be it! Under "loktantra" too there will probably be more conflicts, and surely more demands from the aggrieved/ the marginalized/the discriminated? Does that mean we should do away with "loktantra" too?

Hey Amrit, what's wrong with Christians using money from Europe/North America to convert. It's their money. Their approach is better/more ethical than that of the Hindu state:

You know what the Hindu state does? It collects taxes from peoples of all religions and uses them to subsidize Hindu fundamentalist orgs (Nepal Chapters of Shiva Sena and VHP and thousands of other institutions that have come up like mushroom), Sanskrit Universities, and high school level Sanskrit education (which is probably still compulsory for all Nepali students). Sanksrit: the worst subject I ever took. This is a clear case of the Hindu state practicing discrimination based on religion! Not to mention how much the palace has spent visiting temples and Hindu congregations when the country was bleeding. People are dying, and the palace people are visiting temples. So much of people's money has been misused - and you dare to point fingers at Missionaries?

Re: Christianity, I have nothing against conversion. If people want to convert or be converted, it is their human right. Freedom of religion is a human right - a triumph of 'free will' over ‘determinism’. Why must the Dalits stay Dalits under oppressive/suffocating Nepali Hindu society - i.e. be a victim of determinism? Many are converting: this is liberation. . Not only Dalits. Father Sharmas and Father Upadhyas are preaching Christianity as pastors in churches across Nepal. At least they are not misusing the state money to do what they do best.

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To Matyangro: I'm not worried about what CA decides. The declaration is only a statement of intent. I'm only arguing why "Secular Nepal" makes good sense. I'm saying it is actually good for the Hindus. But they are burying their heads in the sand!

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IMI, you say what SPA did [declaring Nepal a secular state] was undemocratic. I say it was not "undemocratic". What the SPA did was "undo" the undemocratic thing that the King and HIS Chamchas had done to Nepal long ago: i.e. foist the "Hindu tag" on the country in the most undemocratic fashion.

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This is kinda long but worth a read
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'Secular Nepal' finds itself in the eye of controversy

In a bid to appease minorities, the seven party alliance is likely to end up offending the Hindu majority

By Pratibedan Baidya

Last Thursday, within hours of the reinstated House of Representatives (HoR) proclaiming curtailment of royal powers and bringing the army under the purview of the parliament, among others, victory rallies were carried out across the country. But the proclamation of the HoR to declare Nepal a secular country are likely to ruffle many feathers over the long period of time.

Some Hindu groups took to the streets in the southern town of Birgunj on Monday denouncing the parliament's decision to turn the world's only Hindu kingdom into a secular state. They also demanded that the country be declared a Hindu kingdom once again.

Despite being a predominantly Hindu kingdom, Nepal is known for religious harmony and tolerance across the world. Even when communal riots were spread in its neighbourhood in India—in the aftermath of the demolition of the Babri mosque by a group of Hindu fundamentalists in Ayodhya in the nineties—Nepal remained calm and peaceful.

Talking to Nepalnews, Chintamani Yogi, Principal of Hindu Vidyapeeth—Nepal (HVP-N) said that the need of the hour is to ensure safe landing of the Maoist insurgency. "We should not extend support to the King unnecessarily in the name of 'Hindu rastra' (Hindu nation) but he cautioned that the parliament's decision to declare Nepal as a secular state could give chances for the regressive to unite under the banner of Hinduism.

"At a time when we are facing burning socio-economic and constitutional problems, it seems as if we are applying wrong medication to a place where there was no need for it," he added.

Yogi further cautioned that Missionary activities could flare up in the days to come in the aftermath of Nepal being declared a secular state and age-old harmony among various religious groups within the country could be endangered. "Muslim brothers sell bangles to Hindu sisters in front of Krishna temple in Lalitpur. Such a harmony might be destroyed if we try to politicize religious matters," he warned.

The decision of the Nepali parliament to declare the country as a secular state has offended pro-Hindu political forces in India. India's main opposition party, the Bharatiya Janata Party (BPJ), 'regretted' the recent development

"Nepal's Hindu identity has nothing to do with the monarchy. The Nepali parliament should not have omitted that word. There are over 50 countries in the world who proudly call themselves as Islamic Republic," reports quoted BJP leader V K Malhotra as saying.

Sociologist Dr. Krishna Bahadur Bhattachan, however, describes the decision historic saying that the decision to announce Nepal as a secular state has ended the fear of violence due to the religion.

"All religious communities-- except some Hindus who were misusing state fund in the name of Hinduism—have hailed the decision, as now onwards there will be equality among all religions," he added.

Dr. Bhattachan said that since all major political forces in the country were in favour of secularism, it would also help in resolving the conflict in the country.

"The declaration should be implemented properly and there should not be discrimination in the name of religion. If some people try to protest the decision, people will punish them," he warned.

The CPN (Maoist) has, right from the beginning, has been advocating for a secular Nepal. Analysts say the Maoist policy seems to have been driven from the fact that majority of its guerrillas come from the dalit and ethnic communities, who have age-old grievances towards high-caste Hindus.

In his book, "Towards a Democratic Nepal" published last year, scholar Mahendra Lawoti argues that the source of racism and sexism in the (1990) constitution of Nepal is the declaration of the state as Hindu. Articles 11.2 and 11.3 state that the Constitution is against discrimination based on religion, yet, Article 4 explicitly declared Nepal as a Hindu state. "The declaration of the state as Hindu provides sustenance and support to the discriminating traditions and values and contributes in the continuation of the social and legal discriminations," Lawoti wrote.

Minority communities in Nepal have hailed the HoR proclamation terming it as a bold step. Dr. K. B. Rokaya, General Secretary of National Council of Churches of Nepal—a representative body of all Churches in the country—said the proclamation was positive, adding, "There should be religious freedom in the country and people should have opportunity to adopt any religion they prefer."
"Muslim brothers sell bangles to Hindu sisters in front of Krishna temple in Lalitpur. Such a harmony might be destroyed if we try to politicize religious matters."
- Chintamani Yogi, HVP-Nepal

"India is a secular country but there are limitations in exercising religious freedom. Secularism alone will not resolve the problem. Hence, focus should be given to the religious freedom," said Rokaya, who is also the vice-president of Inter Religious Council Nepal, a representative body of all religions in the country.

Rokaya alleged that some religious groups were posing threats to the nationality and national identity, so the government should set up a Ministry of Religious Affairs or Department of Religious Affairs to regulate and coordinate among different religious groups.

Hindu leaders are, however, furious and blame the SPA of betraying the country. Bharat Keshar Simha, chairman of World Hindu Federation (WHF), said that the decision was illegal and a conspiracy against the country.

Simha-- who had advocated an active role for monarchy and claimed that Hindu King was above the law—said the decision was taken by a handful of people and would not acceptable to all the Nepalis.

"If political parties are convinced that the state should be declared secular, they should have courage to go for a referendum and get people's mandate rather than making a proclamation in an illegal way," he added.
"The declaration of the state as Hindu provides sustenance and support to the discriminating traditions and values and contributes in the continuation of the social and legal discriminations."
- Mahendra Lawoti, scholar

Simha further said that WHF would organize various protest programmes against the decision and would also take to the street to protest what he called the "unconstitutional declaration" of the House of Representatives.

Swami Dhruba—a Kathmandu-based Hindu preacher-- said that this was a very wrong decision on part of the reinstated House. "Majority Hindus have never created problems for people belonging to other religions while Nepal was a Hindu kingdom. Secularism might bring various problems in the country," he warned.

Swami Dhruba disclosed that various Hindu groups were currently holding meetings and were in direct touch with Hindu religious leaders of India to chart out future strategies. "We will not remain silent and continue to expose the policy of appeasement," he warned. nepalnews.com May 24 06

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